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  • Richard H Priday - 1 year ago
    God's attributes: Beauty

    The beauty of the cross is perhaps no better described than in Isaiah 52:14. His appearance or "visage" was so marred from the beatings and other injuries before the crucifixion that Jesus was hardly recognizable as a man. But by His stripes; we are healed ( Isaiah 53:5 just a few verses later). He has brought us beauty from ashes ( Isaiah 61:3) which in context means Israel will have restitution after suffering judgment. But God in the flesh resulted not in admiration but in a man of sorrows acquainted with grief ( Isaiah 53:3).

    God's awe inspiring attributes are seen in the visions of the Lord as seen by Isaiah 6; Ezekiel 1:22 and associated verses in Revelation 15:2; etal; and Daniel 10:6; etal). The true beauty of God; of course ties in with His selflessness; agape love and other characteristics that are above storge; Philleo and eros type of human love. Satan himself was a most beautiful creation as Lucifer ( Ezekiel 28:12) UNTIL he fell. Now the beauty is vanity as it is with any fallen creature who pride has allowed to contaminate. God Himself deserves worship and is not being arrogant in stating this desire but there are no verses I am aware of that state God is PROUD of being the God of all creation; He is supreme and in that sense better than anyone else; but He calls His followers by name and "friends" ( John 15:15). This makes Him the perfect Father.

    God created all things for His good pleasure including man ( Revelation 4:11). No doubt Adam and Eve in a sinless state were beautiful; and perhaps still externally appeared that way after the fall. All things were fearfully and wonderfully made ( Psalm 139:14) but man has sought out many inventions (see Ecclesiastes 7:29). 1 Chronicles 16:27 talks of the majesty of God which no doubt incorporates beauty as seen in the creation. This makes man without excuse; as Romans 1 and Psalm 19 make clear.

    God's beauty is more than skin deep and indescribable as all other traits.
  • Chris - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Hello Texsis. 1 Chronicles 16:30 ties in with Psalm 96. Though Psalm 96 doesn't give us an author, we know that 1 Chronicles 16:7-36 was a Psalm uttered by King David "to thank the LORD & given into the hand of Asaph and his brethren". We can assume that Psalm 96 was also authored by David, or at least a person iterating a part of David's praise to God.

    And so, after giving much praise to the LORD, calling all people to praise Him ( 1 Chronicles 16:28-30), in verse 30 David calls Earth's inhabitants to "fear before Him", or fall in reverence to the LORD of the Earth & heavens. Then David, in verse 30, says, "the world also shall be stable, that it be not moved", as he also says in verses 31-33, 'for the heavens & earth to rejoice, the seas & fields to also rejoice, & the trees in the field to sing out at His Presence'.

    These verses, speak about all of creation should, and would, praise their Creator. And therefore in verse 30, the thought here is that the world (the Earth) would always continue in its orbit & remain entire & complete, in accordance to the Command of God for its planned duration. In Hebrew, the language of this Book, it says that 'the Earth will be firmly established (kun)' and 'it will not totter, shake or slip off course (mot)'. So, here we see, nothing about the Earth being flat & can't move - rather, the Earth's presence in the universe & in our galaxy is ordained by God & He promises to keep it in its present orbit & not budge or slip out of it.

    But if your son believes or thinks that the Earth is flat, he would need to consider other demonstrable facts of the spherical shape of the Earth & its orbit around the Sun. The one I'm most familiar with, as an aviation enthusiast, is the plotting of an air route (say between London & NY). On a flat map, one can draw a straight line between them, but in actual fact that straight line is a longer route, since a curved line (following the curve of the Earth), is the shorter route - no flat Earth.
  • GiGi - In Reply on Genesis 1 - 2 years ago
    Hello Shelves,

    God did not come from anywhere. He has existed always. He had no beginning and will never ceases to be. This is why He gave Moses His name as "I AM WHO I AM" or "I WILL BE WHO I WILL BE" which speaks to being everlasting, eternal, being self-existent. This means that God is Life Itself. His existence is derived only from Himself, not having acquired life or existence outside of Himself. Existence is internally Who He Is. In many places in the Scriptures God speaks of Himself as the Eternal God, Everlasting Father, Everlasting to Everlasting, ( Isaiah 63:16; 1 Chronicles 16:36; 29:10; Psalm 41:13; 90:2; Isaiah 9:6; 40:26; Psalm 93:2; Genesis 21:33; Jeremiah 10:10, etc.)

    We are to understand by these Scriptures that God always IS eternally so. He alone has this eternal existence, that is why He alone is the only true God. Hope this helps.
  • Chris - In Reply on Romans 11 - 2 years ago
    Hi Robert. Was there a particular verse in Romans chapter 11 that leads you to believe that being a Jew is a matter of choice? We are indeed "all seeds of Noah", but not all of us are descended from one of Noah's sons, Shem then many others through to Jacob.

    Here are few Scriptures that tell us of this special people, chosen of God, to be His Own: Deuteronomy 7:6; Deuteronomy 14:2; 1 Chronicles 16:13; Psalm 89:3,4; Psalm 105:6, & many more. So Israel, because of their rejection of their Messiah & depending on the Law (to gain righteousness - Romans 10:3,4) have been rejected (cut out of the olive tree). But those amongst them who believe & also from the Gentiles who have turned to Christ, are God's true Israel ( Romans 9:6,7). Maybe, you're thinking of the true Israel that belongs to God.
  • Paul - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Hi Spencer

    pt 3

    Regarding speaking to the Lord face to face...

    There are more than one instance where the Bible records this happened...

    And there arose not a prophet since in Israel like unto Moses, whom the LORD knew face to face, ( Deuteronomy 34:10)

    And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved. ( Genesis 32:30)

    Jacob boldly says, And my life is perserved...

    Why else would Jacob say, And my life is preserved?

    And they will tell it to the inhabitants of this land: for they have heard that thou LORD art among this people, that thou LORD art seen face to face, ( Numbers 14:14)

    And the Bible commands us to seek His face...

    When thou saidst, Seek ye my face; my heart said unto thee, Thy face, LORD, will I seek. . ( Psalms 27:8)

    Seek the LORD, and his strength: seek his face evermore. ( Psalms 105:4)

    Seek the LORD and his strength, seek his face continually. ( 1 Chronicles 16:11)

    If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land. ( 2 Chronicles 7:14)

    The Mormons have a book of Scripture that tells us how Moses and others saw God face to face and lived.

    Mormon Scripture says the only way man can see God face to face and live is to be out of the body having God's priesthood.

    That explains the contradiction.
  • GiGi - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Hello Gary,

    I concur with Jesse.

    The Scriptures say that God is everlasting and eternal, without beginning nor being created and will never cease to exist. Life and existence belong wholly to Him. They do not exist outside of God, meaning He did not acquire them from anything outside of Himself. He always has possessed these.

    Genesis 21:33 (Eternal)

    Isaiah 63:16 (Everlasting)

    Isaiah 26:4 (Rock eternal)

    Jeremiah 10:10 (the living God, the Eternal King)

    Romans 16:26 (Eternal God)

    1Tim 1:17 (unto the King eternal immortal)

    Hebrews 9:14 (eternal Spirit)

    1John 5:20 (He is the true God and Eternal life)

    Ps. 93>2 (You are from all eternity)

    Deuteronomy 33:27 (Eternal)

    1 Chronicles 16:36 (the God of Irael, from everlasting to everlasting)

    Nehemiah 9:5 (who is from everlasting to everlasting)

    Isaiah 9:6 (Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace)

    Isaiah 40:28 (The Lord is the Everlasting God)

    Habakkuk 1:12, (O lord, are You not rom everlasting?)

    Isaiah 57:15 (the Lofty One, who lives forever

    Hope these help.
  • Sam - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Please allow Lisa this opportunity if it is Your Will God. I know You have Lisa best interest and outcome planned for her. Please give Lisa spiritual wisdom and clarity and the peace of Holy Spirit be on her I pray in Jesus Christ name!!

    May I suggest you reflect on 1 Chronicles 4:10 and 1 Chronicles 16:11.
  • Ronald Whittemore - In Reply on 1 Chronicles 16:11 - 2 years ago
    David,

    Chris gave you an excellent reply.

    LORD (YHVH) has a face, but humans cannot look on it and live, Moses saw his back parts Exodus 33:20-23. If we accept Jesus as our Lord and savior and are sealed with the Holy Spirit, when all is new, we will see our LORDs face. Revelation 21:1-7 Revelation 22:4. We will see God and Jesus both, because they will be the temple, Revelation 21:22

    God bless,

    RLW
  • Gigi - In Reply on 1 Chronicles 16:11 - 2 years ago
    Hello David,

    Rick and Chris have given you some good info on this.

    The Father and the Holy Spirit consist pure Spirit, and therefore do not have features that we can see. However, since the Incarnation of God the Son as Jesus, we will be able to see His face as He remains the n heaven as God the Son and Man united in the person of Jesus. Our Savior.

    So, when we pray, we can imagine what Jesus may look like. He is glorious like He was at His transfiguration or in the Book of Revelation.

    How amazing that God took on flesh forever so that we can receive salvation and see God when we get to heaven! We will still be held man in heaven, though I glorified bodies, but we will apprehend God with our eyes in the face of Jesus Christ because , though God, He also is human like us. God thought of everything we need in this life and th next to know Him and worship Him forever.
  • Rick Mentzer - In Reply on 1 Chronicles 16:11 - 2 years ago
    David Spivey Seeking the lords Face [figure of speech attributing to God human characteristics] so as shared

    before we go before him in prayer with our whole heart. God is spirit John 4:24 so you can't see taste touch smell

    or physically hear God unless he wants to get your Attention Moses and burning bush not burning, Moses staff

    turning into a snake then back to staff to show Moses God was backing Him up. These are examples of course.
  • Chris - In Reply on 1 Chronicles 16:11 - 2 years ago
    Hi David. 'Seeking the Lord's Face' is just an expression for coming before God with our prayers or petitions. When we are in earnest prayer, talking with our Heavenly Father, we approach His Throne with our prayers, asking them in the Name of His Son, Jesus Christ. Sometimes, we might have it in our 'mind's eye' the appearance of God & Jesus. Yet, we won't know what they really look like, but it's only natural to envisage their appearance/face, like when we're writing to or telephoning someone. It's a lot like that in prayer; we don't know God's actual appearance but we're still coming before Him - in His Presence - before His Face - talking with Him as our Father in Heaven.
  • David Spivey on 1 Chronicles 16:11 - 2 years ago
    please explain what it means to seek the Lords face when I have never seen his face because I do not believe that the of Jesus are true please help me to under stand thank you and God bless
  • T. Levis - In Reply on Genesis 10 - 3 years ago
    1 Chronicles 16:42, 1 Chronicles 15:19, 1 Kings 7:14, Exodus 31:2-5, There's a few
  • Touching the Anointing or Anointed Persons - In Reply on Jeremiah 29 - 3 years ago
    1 Chronicles 16:22 | View whole chapter

    Saying, Touch not mine anointed, and do my prophets no harm.

    Psalms 105:15 | View whole chapter

    Saying, Touch not mine anointed, and do my prophets no harm.

    One time a prophet wouldn't speak, and God made a donkey speak it out.

    This seems fairly non-debatable. When God corrects a prophet; He does it Himself.
  • MARVIN GLEETON on 1 Chronicles 16:11 - 3 years ago
    I'm asking God for a faithful wife who believes in her marriage always.
  • Bendito Palavra - In Reply on Matthew 10:35 - 3 years ago
    In Revelation chapter 21 we see the new Jerusalem, "coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband", and "Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God." So in the end, heaven and earth will be together. The meek, in and by Jesus Christ, inherit it all.

    The Old Testament was given to Israel and they were supposed to be a witness to the world:

    Declare his glory among the heathen; his marvellous works among all nations. ( 1 Chronicles 16:24)

    It was also given for us to learn the ways of the LORD by it:

    Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come. ( 1 Corinthians 10:11)

    The New Testament is for the world to hear the Gospel of Jesus Christ whereby whosoever will come unto him shall be saved.

    The soul that sinneth, it shall die:

    For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.( Romans 6:23)

    There is a second death:

    And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. ( Revelation 21:6-8)
  • Stanjett - In Reply on 1 Chronicles 16:30 - 4 years ago
    against or not in agreement with.
  • Stanjett - In Reply on 1 Chronicles 16:30 - 4 years ago
    Not for, or against.
  • Lisa on 1 Chronicles 16:30 - 4 years ago
    What does entimity mean. Don't know if I spelled it right
  • Learn to use Commentary Box on this Website - In Reply on 1 Chronicles 16:30 - 4 years ago
    Always read the Commentary Box.

    Wesley's Notes for Matthew 5

    5:3 Happy are the POOR - In the following discourse there is, A sweet invitation to true holiness and happiness, ver. 3 - 12. Matt 5:3-12. A persuasive to impart it to others, ver. 13 - 16. Matt 5:13-16. A description of true Christian holiness, ver. 17; chap.v7:12, Matt 5:17; Matt 7:12. (in which it is easy to observe, the latter part exactly answers the former.) The conclusion: giving a sure mark of the true way, warning against false prophets, exhorting to follow after holiness.

    The POOR in spirit - They who are unfeignedly penitent, they who are truly convinced of sin; who see and feel the state they are in by nature, being deeply sensible of their sinfulness, guiltiness, helplessness. For theirs is the kingdom of heaven - The present inward kingdom: righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost, as well as the eternal kingdom, if they endure to the end. Luke 6:20.

    People's Bible Notes for Matthew 5:3

    Mt 5:3 Blessed. There follows nine beatitudes, each of which pronounces a blessing upon those who have certain characteristics. The word "blessed" is first applied to God, and means more than "happy", as it has sometimes been translated. Happiness comes from earthly things; blessedness comes from God. It is not bestowed arbitrarily; a reason follows each beatitude. The POOR in spirit. The humble, in contrast with the haughty; those sensible of spiritual destitution. The same state of mind is referred to when he speaks elsewhere of a contrite and broken spirit. Is the kingdom of heaven. Such shall become members of the kingdom that Christ will establish. The Jews rejected from this kingdom; on account of their spiritual pride.

    Mishael
  • Chris - In Reply on 1 Chronicles 16:30 - 4 years ago
    Nancy, that's a fair question. There are a couple of references to this:

    a. Matthew 5:3. "poor in spirit". This refers to the condition of the heart rather than to not having wealth. It means to be humble, having a proper humble (not debasing) opinion of oneself. These folk have a 'spirit' that will be more attune to the Kingdom of God, recognizing that they are nothing before God & have nothing to present to God to try & elevate themselves. Unlike the 'rich in spirit' who are the opposite, trusting in themselves, their accomplishments, authority or power. These don't have the characteristics that would bring them close to God, trusting in themselves rather than God. These things (the Beatitudes) Jesus spoke to His disciples, as also in:

    b. Luke 6:20. "Blessed be ye poor". Again speaking to His disciples, this word from Luke gives the sense that the disciples were ordinary folk, having left all to follow their Master. Some were already 'financially' poor as the fishermen, others like Matthew the publican may have had wealth. Whatever their financial state, the criteria for discipleship was leaving all worldly goods behind & learning from their Master. To have wealth & thus being blessed by God as the people were taught, usually meant that that would interfere with their singular focus on the objective: one 'cannot serve two masters', Jesus said. So Luke seems to imply that both poverty as well as mental humility are required for truly hearing & accepting Christ's message: that worldly possessions should not get in the way - that was the true blessing = happiness. And these messages were confined to the heart condition pre-Cross. After Jesus' death & resurrection, the Spirit changes one's heart, mind & perspective of life & worldly possessions.

    And yes, you can give to the poor to meet their needs, but they, including those with money, still need to respond to the Gospel in humility & repentance to receive salvation & be a part of God's Kingdom.
  • Bendito Palavra - In Reply on 1 Chronicles 16:30 - 4 years ago
    The poor in spirit are the ones that admit that we desperately need a savior from our sin, Jesus Christ:

    Riches profit not in the day of wrath: but righteousness delivereth from death. ( Proverbs 11:4)

    Ho, every one that thirsteth, come ye to the waters, and he that hath no money; come ye, buy, and eat; yea, come, buy wine and milk without money and without price. Wherefore do ye spend money for that which is not bread? and your labour for that which satisfieth not? hearken diligently unto me, and eat ye that which is good, and let your soul delight itself in fatness. Incline your ear, and come unto me: hear, and your soul shall live; and I will make an everlasting covenant with you, even the sure mercies of David. ( Isaiah 55:1-3)

    Thus saith the LORD, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest? For all those things hath mine hand made, and all those things have been, saith the LORD: but to this man will I look, even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit, and trembleth at my word. ( Isaiah 66:1-2)

    Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints: To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory: Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus: ( Colossians 1:26-28)

    Hearken, my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that love him? ( James 2:5)
  • Nancy lennie on 1 Chronicles 16:30 - 4 years ago
    what does "poor in spirit" mean? if you are poor why are you blessed.? this beautitide is confusing why would I want to be b poor? and why do poor people want more and we want to give them more. and then they will not be blessed?
  • Richard in Christ - In Reply on 1 Chronicles 16:30 - 4 years ago
    Hello brother,

    I'm actually not going to get into this discussion with you. Please don't take it the wrong way. What's more important than the shape of the earth is the Lord. That's all that really matters. I totally understand if you don't agree with me, or others that don't believe we're on a ball, and I love you just the same. As long as you are with Jesus Christ who is the only way to the Father. You are Blessed.

    God Bless you Adam.
  • Adam - In Reply on 1 Chronicles 16:30 - 4 years ago
    Hello,

    How do really know what truth is? Have you ever been on the wrong side of something before?

    I have a hard time relating to the flat earth perspective for 2 reasons:

    1. Scripture

    2. Scientific evidence that can be easily reproduced

    So, I guess I'll offer my evidence and you can offer yours?

    1. Isaiah 40:22 - says the circle of the earth. I interpret this as a globe, not a flat pancake.

    2. There are so many easy experiements you can do on your own. I've already done them, so I know the Earth is round, but you can easily do these yourself:

    a. Fly in a plane around the world. You can easy fly to where you are right now to the opposite side of the earth and have your phone on with GPS tracking and track the GPS coordinates of where you are at all times. Then book your return flight the opposite way back home. Just keep going in the same direction and you will end up where you started at home.

    b. Secondly, you can do this easier and cheaper. Get 2 stakes identical in length and put one in your yard and setup a web camera which can monitor and measure its shadow. Then go on a trip to either west or east and set up the same stake in the ground at the exact same depth with a level- perfectly straight then measure the length of the shadow. When you measure it simply compare it to the shadow on your phone or tablet with your web cam and you can see the shadow lengths are different. If you measure this with the distance away you are you can calculate the diameter of the earth.

    c. Get on a plane and go very high and see curvature.

    d. Get on a plane and fly towards the west and you will have a more than 24 hr day, because of the sun and curve of the earth, the opposite if you travel east.

    e. There's countless photos/videos documenting the earth. You can make your own too, release a balloon high in the air with a camera.

    f. If earth was flat it would have an end, but there's no end. You can walk, boat, fly yourself to prove it. I have already. Why don't you?
  • Interesting - In Reply on 1 Chronicles 16:30 - 4 years ago
    I'm wondering, in sincerity, if you can explain how the earth is flat. We see satellite imagery that shows a round globe correct? My question is not in disagreement or agreement but interested to know what has lead you to such a firm belief!

    If the earth were flat how would a satellite orbit around it in a circle and not see some corner or "other side?"

    Is the sun rotating around the earth?

    Thanks
  • Richard in Christ - In Reply on 1 Chronicles 16:30 - 4 years ago
    Truth! Actually the beginning of my journey to the Lord. We're not on the surface of a spinning ball lead me to the Bible which lead me to Jesus Christ. Now living a new life in the Lord for God. "The truth will set you free."

    God Bless you all my brothers and sisters! You are all in my prayers!
  • Flat Earther on 1 Chronicles 16:30 - 4 years ago
    Earth is flat and the center of the UNIVERSE.
  • Grace - In Reply on 1 Chronicles 16 - 4 years ago
    Hello Ms Green,

    It is likely that Matthew Henry, of the 18th Century, was vaguely referring to a much later time well after the event at the beginning of chapter 16, which was held in a tent in Jerusalem, also called the City of David. A bit after that event, another shrine/altar (spelt with two A) was constructed in Gibeon (see verse 39). Usually, Reverend Henry gave very good good commentaries, but like most commentators they aren't also the rare few talented writers who understand the effect of words on the audience. Henry confused the readers. Anyway, it's good that you read the commentary before asking your question because correct answers are sometimes in such
  • MURRAY HILL on Matthew 12:42 - 4 years ago
    1 chronicles 16:11: what is the literal meaning of to seek his face - throughout the old testament basically.

    i get that we should seek the lord while he may be found, but what does it mean to actually seek his face?


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