Deuteronomy Chapter 22 Discussion



 
  • Marke - in Reply on Deuteronomy 22
    True. Salvation is not of works. Also, more to my point, condemnation to the lake of fire is the death sentence for the sin of rejecting what the Holy Spirit has revealed to the sinner, not the result of lesser sins.
  • Wayne - in Reply on Deuteronomy 22
    Unbelief is what sends individuals to eternal hades. Jesus defined the will of God like this: believe in the Son of God (Jesus) and to love others. So you see, it's not a "works salvation" it's a gift from God the Father to those who will believe and accept. See John 3:16
  • Marke on Deuteronomy 22
    Deuteronomy 21:22

    And if a man have committed a sin worthy of death, and he be to be put to death, and thou hang him on a tree:

    Deuteronomy 22:26

    But unto the damsel thou shalt do nothing; there is in the damsel no sin worthy of death: for as when a man riseth against his neighbour, and slayeth him, even so is this matter:

    What sins are worthy of eternal death in the lake of fire? Only one that I am aware of and that is rejecting the truth God has revealed to the sinner's heart by the Holy Spirit.

    Hebrews 10:29

    Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
  • Richard H Priday on Deuteronomy 22
    Deuteronomy 22

    The first verses of this chapter 1-12 are rules on taking care of a neighbor's animal; men and women's regulations for dressing; how to sow seeds; and ploughing.

    The focus on verses 12-29 is related to relations between men and women; and the judgments to be rendered on certain behaviors. We see as in Matthew 5:31 the so called "exception clause" which is likely related to betrothal since that is what caused Joseph to contemplate divorcing the woman he was betrothed to in Matthew 1:19.

    It is clear from this chapter that a married woman who was correctly assessed not to be a virgin at the inception of a marriage after being accused by her husband was to be put to death (v.21); and this sentence was to be done for a betrothed woman and the man having relations with her (v. 23-24).

    When the betrothed woman was innocent because she protested at the actions of rape of the man; he was to be stoned; and she was innocent (v. 25-27).

    In the case of a woman not betrothed; after relations occur a payment was to be made to the father of the woman and he was to marry her. He also could not "put her away all of his days". (v. 29). This same rule was to be for the woman innocent of the accusations of the new husband at the consummation of the marriage (v. 17-19). He could not divorce her. This would surely seem to indicate that when a marriage wasn't tangled with these accusations the same rule would apply; in other words; a marriage was for life. It is interesting that even with David and Solomon among others having hundreds of wives (and concubines); divorce is never mentioned even with multiple wives in many cases. These scriptures don't indicate a woman initiating fornication or being the accusers here; but both parties are involved in ramifications when vows are made.

    The last verse relates to not having relations with a father's wife; clearly demonstrated as a death penalty in other scriptures. (v. 30).
  • In the verse five it states perfectly that women are not to wear parents. It also says who does so would be the abomination, the person would be not the pants. I would not want to be the abomination to God. But, I have worked outside in the garden, moving wood piles and etc. in a skirt and I have done so for almost ten years. I still do not have a problem with it. God has always made a way to get around obstacles, but it takes faith on our end to believe He will go through with it. God made a way for me to wear a skirt and moved obstacles, but I also had to have the faith to believe He would move the obstacles. When serving God there will be things we have to sacrifice. Sometimes the sacrifice seems to big. But I have a question I would like for you to question yourself with. Is giving up pants more sacrificial than Jesus Christ laying down His life for you to be saved for all of eternity? Is it more important to you than your walk with God?
  • The Lord God has been so very loving wonderful to me recently! I can not stress reading his word enough and seek him with your whole heart you will be rewarded beyond measure if you persist in hearing only from him ! He can make your heart pure and give you a love for him that makes the world so non essential by comparison!
  • Talking about the Promise that JESUS spoke of, Behold i send the Promise of my FATHER upon you BUT tarry in the city of Jerusalem till ye be endued with power from on high, which was baptism of the H.G. . John baptised you with water but i will baptise you with the H.G. and fire. what is the meaning of all this in Acts 1 it means that Christ is gonna be multiplied in humanity via that heavenly birth , thats what the H.G is the multiplication of Christ, th SON OF MAN in the spiritual realm in our hearts simply b/c that where that good seed is sown in mans hearts and minds. Thats y i talk about a baby Christ ,simply b/c there has to be multiplication of God . As Jesus said to whom the WORD came it made them Gods and the scripture cannot be broken . Remember God the FATHER, ALMIGHTY GOD SWORE BY HIS VERY SELF SAYING I WILL MULTPLY THY SEED AS THE STARS OF HEAVEN WHICH MEANS WE ARE GONNA HAVE A BABY CHRIST BORN IN US SINNERS Which is the H.G. as that which is born of the SPIRIT IS SPIRIT. Thats the H.G the child of PROMISE THE MULTIPLCATION OF VERY GOD IN US .Thats y he said whosoever receives one such child in my name receives me and Jesus is GOD simply b/c he reproduces after the GOD KIND. Thats y the sower of that GOOD SEED wants to sow his precious seed in our hearts that it might initiate a birth of Christ in us . Unless ya receive the Kingdom of God as a little Child you will in wise enter there in. This is the multiplIcation of God, the Child of promise, THE H.G. Jesus cd not refer to the H.G as the PROMISE if he were not the multiplication of Jesus himself, Mankinds fruit unto God.Whosoever receives one such child in my name receives ME . WHICH IMPLIES AN Israel of God THE GRANSONS ETC. My lil children of whom i travail in birth till Christ is formed in you. Thus there is a BABY CHRIST IN OUR FUTURE , THE SON OF MAN. Thats y Jeremiah saw all men in travail and child birth when he spoke of the NEW COVENANT. OK GBU
  • Stanjett - in Reply on Deuteronomy 22
    The covering is talking about hair. A woman should not have a mans haircut and a man should not have long hair. Sometimes we have no choice, if we go bald. But the point is a woman should not be or dress like a man and the man should not put on womens clothes. Like gay men and women do.
  • Xavierhayes on Deuteronomy 22
    REVELATION 1:3 Blessed is hee that readeth and they that heare the words of this prophesie and keepe those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand. 1611 king james version kjv
  • Fred Scanlan - in Reply on Deuteronomy 22
    Humanly speaking, you would be correct. I hope you are not a humanist! This makes sense. Man is loosing his identity, the angels not knowing how too communicate with the soul! The Angels are the messengers that influence us according to his will! Clothing will become an issue in the future, it must be understood, that if you are a man, you will be expected to act like one! This will be hard for many to understand. During the V.N. war the enemy wore black, even the little ones! It was impossible to tell who was who. Only the enemy! this caused many problems at home , when they heard we were killing the woman and the children!
  • Fred Scanlan - in Reply on Deuteronomy 22
    Pertaining to worship, does scripture not say a woman should have her head covered? IN other words, the "glory of God" (man) is to be uncovered during times of worship, while the "glory of man" (woman) is to be covered. Angels: In 1 Corinthians 11:10, Paul says "Therefore the woman ought to have power on her head, because of the angels. "So , this reveals something interesting. In him we live and move and have our being, Since angels are the messengers, would this be in fact the way, the angels identify the children of God? And therefor communicate accordingly? This becomes even more interesting Since I have such a difficult time understanding the woman . This would prove that the spirit is very much alive and well. That the Kingdom exists and is in control! However, this covering should not be taken for granted!
  • Sharon M Jacobs - in Reply on Deuteronomy 22
    We should dress modest and modestly. shirts around the neck. short sleeves. shorts and dresses and skirts to the knees. and shoes that cover the foot, most of our shoes should cover the whole foot, and have one pair of sandles, as much as possible. This is how we should dress around ourselves alone and with other people and especially with our husband or wife. Swim suits should be like shorts with a skirt over the shorts for women and modest top not showing anything of her top.
  • Chris - in Reply on Deuteronomy 22
    If we consider the era & background to which this warning was given by God, we might view this Scripture in a different light. We need to remember that in those days, there was very little by way of separating the type of clothing men & women wore. And especially when men generally had long beards, their appearance would have brought ridicule rather than acceptance. As well, amongst the heathen, there were occasions when the sexes took on each other's apparel in their idol worship. And in this regard, one commentator looking at the Hebrew wording, suggests that the reference was to women wearing the armour that pertained to a man of war: women needed to wear this as they appeared before their goddess, Venus.

    When living & serving in Pakistan, both men & women who chose to wear the national dress (called, Salwar Kamiz), had the cut of the clothing exactly the same as each other, except for a possible design printed for the woman's dress & a light shawl tossed over both shoulders. So I feel that the Deuteronomy 22:5 reference should not today be viewed as the sexes interchanging clothing, or a woman requiring to wear pants for work or leisure. The point was that the clothing worn had to be clearly acceptable as normal attire for the sexes & that the man shouldn't 'disguise' himself to be a woman & vice versa, as pertains to those classed as 'transvestites'. In India, I saw this often on the trains, where such men wore women's clothes (saris), to aid their begging efforts.

    So I understand the Scripture being directed to those who purposely wore another's clothing for reasons other than what is considered normal & acceptable in society. I think the more pertinent issue today however, is how we dress for the beach, or how we try to present ourselves to the opposite sex in a seductive way, or wearing expensive clothing to convey class distinction. The world might consider this absolutely normal, but does God see that way & whether His children follow their example?
  • Mishael - in Reply on Deuteronomy 22
    Are all of the clothing designers pushing leggings on the shelves? Or is it just Walmart?

    I'm almost 70 lol. I have a theory that if we sit too much, our bodies rebel and shift around to the front of us.

    Tight clothes are like tattoos: they don't look cool on elderly bodies. Ponder on that.
  • Raising Leaders - in Reply on Deuteronomy 22
    Our work is unto the Lord. He is Top Boss. He knows if we're obedient or slothful; give a fair days work, for a fair days wage. Promotions come when we do our work quietly without becoming involved in work politics, gossip or backbiting.

    If your work boss provides a standard of dress for employees, we obey that requirement. Especially if uniforms are provided. For most people our dress should be modest and represent Christ.

    Worldly people routinely dress to find dates or hook ups. Avoid that. We dress for Jesus.

    I know what Paul taught and it was good for that time, and for this time we are living in. Just be led by the Holy Spirit and there will be no confusion.

    I'm often saddened by the parents that end up on Dr Phil with their teen children who dress like male/female prostitutes. An entire hour is spent on how do I regain status as the parent?

    I'm a parent and a Christian. You do not ever budge an inch on what the "World" demands we do: versus what God says about modesty and basic intellect. YOU CONTROL THE MONEY. If you lose control, you will lose the child to the worldly world. You sow the seeds of rebellion and co-dependence. You want to be "loved" by your kids: they need your money to look like their worldly, popular, friends.

    They are trying to belong to their peer groups. Not Jesus.

    I taught my son frequently that it takes a lot more courage to be a LEADER, than it does to become an aimless FOLLOWER. I didn't nag or drill his head. I challenged him. I rewarded him with praise for right choices and living.

    This is our reward for launching a child of God into the world. They meet less obstacles than the kids who never learned how to live leadership skills. Leaders learn from other leaders. It's not hard to do. The Bible teaches it.

    If the church and the parents fail to teach it: how else are they going to learn it?

    Also let them pay your monthly bills for you; balance checkbook; see real life finances 101.

    Mishael
  • Lisa hines on Deuteronomy 22
    A women should not wear what pertains to a man so certain jobs give you uniforms such as police woman, housekeeping, nurses, jail mates, and construction workers all wear pants. But when they go to church they wear dresses is this still abomination?
  • The Godhead Scriptures - in Reply on Deuteronomy 22:5
    Acts 17

    29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the GODHEAD is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.

    30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

    THE GODHEAD SCRIPTURES

    Genesis 1:26, 3:22, 11:7

    1 John 5:7.

    John 10:30, I and My Father are one.

    Also, in these following scriptures , we clearly see the Godhead ( Acts 17:27-30) speaking to each other.

    NOTE: In the King James Bible, the words , TRINITY and TRIUNE,

    ARE NOT used. Someone who was unable to teach LET US as a lesson, used these other words to describe, 'Three.'

    If we used the Search Box provided on this website you would have seen it came up with NOTHING for triune and Trinity.

    Father God is spirit

    The Holy Spirit is spirit

    Jesus is called, Son of Man. He is all God and all man. God in the flesh: so He could be the Lamb of God and save us from our sins.

    Note these in your Bible. It comes up quite a lot.

    Mishael
  • Someone asked is God a physical being, or a state of consciousness
  • Sarah - in Reply on Deuteronomy 22:5
    ..let me add to your comment sananka, that since those being led by those blind leaders are also blind ..they are women wearing men's clothes and are blind to how they look..they actually think its ok...yep it's ok ladies to wear men's garments....because nobody sees them as men's pants..they're women's pants..ok? naked..and don't even know it.

    well according to revelation 3..the church is full of undressed members that don't see their nakedness..consider this...women are wearing pants and donte even see that they're dressing like a man..an abominatiin and dont even know it.. not a deliberate act..they are blind. but have you tried telling those ladies they're an abomination to god for wearing men's clothes..i.e pants..????

    the devil has the women of this age in his cunning deception...look..the men are not blind..they will wear a skirt as a deliberate act of defiance..but the women wear pants and are none the wiser..see where the devil has worked on eve?? because she was designed to be that way..totally deluded..blind to her. nakedness and blind to abominable clotbes.. by nature that woman is deceivable ..get back to your husband the word eve..

    now read deuteronomy 22:5 again with your eyes open...
  • Sananka on Deuteronomy 22:5
    While people are still trying to 'Justify' the Scriptures to make them 'fit' their lifestyles, this Scripture is as plain as the nose on their faces. It said, men shall NOT wear womens' garments and women shall not wear that which pertaineth to a man (shall NOT wear mens' clothing). Whosoever does this, is an Abomination to the Lord thy God.

    If you are 'straight' and are doing this, it is 'wrong', an Abomination. If you are 'gay' in any way, that is 'doublely wrong' on you, mainly because 1- You being a homosexual, committing the act of homosexuality, is an Abomination to the Lord thy God- Lev. 18:22 & Rom. 1:27, and 2- you are wearing the opposite gender's clothing, and some of you have actually changed your genders, just to be able to wear them, is an Abomination. Men shouldn't wear long hair nor women to have bald heads as fashion statements either. We all know that we were and still are being taught by pastors who 'skirt' around the Truth. If they tell you they have read the 'whole' Bible, then they have all read this Scripture, and still, they don't address neither one of these Scriptures to anyone, inside or outside the Church. The preachers should never be ashamed or scared to preach the Word of Truth. Yes, the Word is to help those who need it. Everyone needs Spiritual help and guidance, through the Word and with prayer. The Word is also Truth, so it will step on some peoples' toes, and the Truth hurts, but still, preach the Truth. This is not something that preachers should be 'beating -around-the-bush' about with anyone. If preachers aren't preaching the Truth, then the are preaching Lies. If people can't get the truth from preachers, in order for their lives to be saved, delivered, changed and accepted by the Heavenly Father, and no longer be called an Abomination by Him, they will be lost. It's already like that now-people are lost, but I'm going to, "Let them alone...the blind leading the blind, and they all fall into the ditch." Matthew 15:14 KJV.
  • Nsamba Vincent on Deuteronomy 22
    The word of God Chengs not as it is stated in the Bible so it will be on the day of judgement. ( Deut 22:5 ) *NB Only those that are lead by the Holy Spirit are true sons of God.
  • Robin Stewart on Deuteronomy 22
    I asked God to prove to me, it was His will for me not to wear pants. He did. When I first started wearing only skirts and dresses, woman noticed and started commenting on it. Most were somehow offended by it. Some pressed me to stop. Some were convicted by it but it was the response of the men which convinced me the most. Men, young, old and in between started being more respectful towards me. One young man, littered with tattoos, came back and opened the door for me at a store with a perplexed look on his face. He seem confused about doing it. He let it shut on the woman behind me. God showed me it was for my protection and worth. It is a testimony to the world; a blessing to me.
  • Robin Stewart on Deuteronomy 22
    I challenge the women to do what I did when this scripture got on my mind. I wore pants just like every other Christian woman I knew. Then one day this came up in a Sunday School lesson. I read it and thought about it. I did not want to be disgusting to God or for Him to hate what I wore. I loved Him and wanted to be pleasing to him but I did not want to give up my pants. So I was honest with Him, after all, He knows what we are thinking. I said, I want to be pleasing to you but I don't want to stop wearing pants. I told Him, if you want me to stop wearing them, make me, help me to want to, you need to convict me. It took time. I felt pressed to test it. The results were amazing.
  • Robin Stewart - in Reply on Deuteronomy 22:5
    You are right. God gives us the Word to make our lives better not worse. By making our own rules and deciding we know best......well the results are not pretty. It is all about trust and obedience. You can trust Him to know what is best for you, because HE designed you OR you can trust in what you think is right. What does scripture say. Proverbs 16:25. For those of you who are reading this thread, look this scripture up.
  • Robin Stewart - in Reply on Deuteronomy 22:5
    Amen! What you said is truth!
  • Maro Emmanuel O - in Reply on Deuteronomy 22
    Those of u saying wearing of trousers is a sin, I hav a quest. 4 u, read vs 9 nd 11, of same Deuteronomy 22, All of u puting on cloth of different materials or colour, as of wool nd linen together or Plating of different crops on same farmland u are as guilty as a woman wearing trousers in vs 5, we are not under d law again, Christ has pay d price we are under grace nd being justified by our good work nd luv to humanity. Love God nd luv ur Neigbors as urself this is d whole law, Gal 5:4 If we claim dat righteous came by obeying the law then we hav falling away frm Christ nd God blessing, but the just shall live by Faith, vs 22 said if u are guided by d spirit u are not under d law.
  • Loyah - in Reply on Deuteronomy 22
    Actually, the scripture is very clear of saying women should not be wearing pants. What's the point of twisting it. Remember, Christ said, anyone who break the commandments and teach others to do so as well shall be the least of the kingdom of heaven. ( Matthew 5:18-19)
  • Alta waller - in Reply on Deuteronomy 22
    It is the new testament we are supposed to listen to excluding how were supposed to be baptised what god says we do if he says that females must wear skirts or dresses we are to be obedient for jesus has said disobedience is worse than witch craft the fact that adam and eve disobeyed jesus he had to shed the blood of an innocent animal which is why they used to sacrificies until the spotless lamb jesus christ sacrificed him self on calvery day what you are doing is misleading gods sheep and in the bible it says those like pastors that mislead his sheep shall deeper darkness and punishment than those that never knew his name.
  • SUSIE MCQUEE on Deuteronomy 22
    We obey gods word or we dont it is not difficult god said what he means and means what he said we dont need to draw conculsions in the garden it was about obedience and still today
  • Denell - in Reply on Deuteronomy 22
    This is why bible study is good. Your mom wearing coveralls for the sake of working on the farm is understandable, not to be twisted with what is written here. The wearing of pants brings attention to our form, we are not to wear tight or form fitting clothing bringing lustful or unwanted attention to ourselves.


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