Deuteronomy Chapter 20 Discussion



 
  • Luke - in Reply on Deuteronomy 20
    Gina,

    Rev.19:10 . . . " The testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy." That's the acid test. The reason why this is, is because every born again Christian has in the Holy Spirit, and Jesus said in John 16:13 Hobeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself: but whotsoever he shall hear that he shall speak: and he will shew you things TO COME."

    " The testimony of Jesus" is the spirit to fortell the future. The difference between a bible believing Christian and a professing Christian, here is the acid test. DO YOU KNOW FOR CERTAIN WHERE YOU ARE GOING WHEN YOU DIE? DO YOU KNOW FOR CERTAIN WHERE UNSAVED PEOPLE ARE GOING WHEN THEY DID? DO YOU KNOW FOR CERTAIN THE EVENTS THAT ARE GOING TO TAKE PLACE ON THIS EARTH IN THE FUTURE? If you are a born again Christian, you know! If you are a Catholic, a Jew, a Protestant, a Buddhist, a Mohammedan, a Taoist, Hindu, liberal, a modernist, neo-orthodox, Campbellite, Russellite, etc. you don't know for sure.
  • Daniel - in Reply on Deuteronomy 20
    Amen. Prophecy in the Bible is still ongoing but the last recorded authenticated prophecy was Revelation. To those stating there are prophets beyond John the beloved, I'd ask, "what prophesy are you adding to what's already been told or what do you choose to remove?"

    There's a strong warning In Revelation 22: 18&19 to anyone claiming to be a prophet today.
  • Whatsaiththescriptures - in Reply on Deuteronomy 20
    Giannis, thanks for clearing this all up. All these different opinions..gee whiz! What do people think this is, an open forum?
  • S Spencer - in Reply on Deuteronomy 20
    Hi Gina.

    I dont believe there's Prophets today that foretells the future as Brother Jesse said. We have the future concerning the people of God in writing. There's nothing new to be revealed.

    Also.

    God, who at sundry times and in divers manners SPAKE IN TIME PAST unto the fathers by the prophets,

    Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; Hebrews 1:2.

    God bless.
  • Richard H Priday - in Reply on Deuteronomy 20
    I have had this discussion with a pastor a few years back. He mentions Agabus; who predicted a famine and seemed to think he was off on the prediction. I would hesitate to say that. In any case; clearly a prophet like the one who told Paul that he would go to Jerusalem to die wouldn't win any popularity contests today. Before we attempt to figure out if such an office can exist today; we need to understand that it is not any predictions that are pleasing to a particular political position; national pride; or financial gain of organizations as a prime motive. When we look at Ananias and Sapphira we see another death prediction which with the greed in many circles today it is hard to imagine the fear of God in a place is present at all and when much unbelief exists often the Lord does few things of note. The same could be said of persecution; perhaps if we are not worthy of it God bypasses that as an opportunity for growth.

    Surely; during the Tribulation there will be the two prophets on earth. For now; we can certainly say that the canon of scripture is complete (as warnings exist about adding or taking anything away to that book which goes to the eternity future). There are certain things; of course which are conditional when it comes to personal messages as opposed to that of the fate of nations; where God waits until their transgressions are to the full before judgment. ( Daniel 8:23; also see the judgment of Egypt after 400 years; and the Ninevites). A personal prophetic word perhaps would be better defined as a "word of knowledge". Certainly; we can see specific scriptures as applicable to individuals emphasizing a certain message. Only Christ knows the day and hour; when the "restrainer" is removed; thus ushering in the Tribulation when the prophetic manifestations will be in full force. Other than this; of course the many false prophecies; particulary of peace and prosperity are to be expected as Thessalonians bringing in Antichrist.
  • Alex N - in Reply on Deuteronomy 20
    Giannis GBU And the scripture is very clear that the Testimony of Jesus ( The H.G. ) is the spirit of Prophecy....When he the spirit of truth is come he will TESTIFY of ME... John 15 : 26 kjv....Thus the Testimony of Jesus is the Spirit of Prophecy....But that Prophecy has to line up with Scriptures...But it may not line up with doctrine of the early Church...Simply b/c as Paul said when that which is PERFECT is come that which is done in part will be done away with....Most early Church doctrine was all in parts...We know in part we prophecy in part etc...We see like thru a glass darkly... That Image in Dan 2 was all in parts but it had to be done away with...Even tho the head was of gold....And in Rev. 14 God has to send an angel to preach the everlasting Gospel to ALL THAT DWELL ON THE EARTH...Simply b/c of the great abomination of desolation had set in....Its just like Jesus said...I am the light of the world but the NIGHT comes when no man can work...And Elijah has to come and turn the hearts of the fathers to the Children in that last day... Mal. 4 : 6 kjv...Jesus was yet on the cross when he was calling for Elijah to come.
  • Giannis - in Reply on Deuteronomy 20
    Part 2.

    Should there be prophets/foretellers in a church? The answer is yes. What is/should be their ministry? To give a direct message from God, either to an individual or to the Church itself. How do we sometimes know that a prophesy is not true? It must not contradict the written Word of God. Any revelation, any message by the Holly Spirit, any interpretation of the scripture that doesn't line up with the written Word can not be accepted as true.

    I am writting all these because many christians claim that these prophets were not like the ones in the OT. But they are. And they are not teachers. Some christians also insist that all those things were for that ancient time and don't exist any more in the church. But nowhere in the scripture says that they were for those times. They are for all times, just as the whole scripture is for all times. Maybe reject tongues as well. Were tongues for that time too? Were in the scripture says that? Were miracles also for that time? Obviously not. So why prophesying and tongues were for that time? Maybe Baptism in the Spirit was for that time too? Is there according to the scripture an external sign of smb been baptised in the Spirit? Those christians that don't accept tongues wiil tell you no there are not. But if you read the Gospel you will see that tongues is the external sign for it.

    So why do we not accept all these? Why don't we get to our Knees and insist in our prayers that God baptises us in His Spirit and talk tongues? You can do that at home. You don't have to go to a specific church. And when all those come to you then what are you going to believe? That they don't exist?

    Dear Gina. There is only one way you can find out youself. Try it youself and find out. This is what I recommend to all christians to do. Will God answer back? Definety yes, since this is what He asks us for.

    GBU
  • Giannis - in Reply on Deuteronomy 20
    Part 1

    OK, since there are different opinions about this topic let's see what the scripture says about it.

    Ephesians 4:11

    "And he gave some, apostles; and some, PROPHETS; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and TEACHERS;"

    So God gave prophets to the church. There is the idea that these prophets were just teachers. Are they? No, because God gave teachers as well, so prophets must be something different.

    Acts 21:8-9

    "And the next day we that were of Paul's company departed, and came unto Caesarea: and we entered into the house of Philip the evangelist, which was one of the seven; and abode with him.

    And the same man had four daughters, virgins, which did PROPHESY."

    Where these virgin daughters teachers? Definitely not, women were not allowed to teach in ancient church. They were virgins, that is little girls. So what were they doing? We'll see later.

    Acts 21:10-11

    "And as we tarried there many days, there came down from Judaea a certain PROPHET, named Agabus.

    And when he was come unto us, he took Paul's girdle, and bound his own hands and feet, and said, Thus saith the Holy Ghost, So shall the Jews at Jerusalem bind the man that owneth this girdle, and shall deliver him into the hands of the Gentiles"

    Is this a foretelling? It obviously is.

    Acts 19: 1-7

    It is too long to write it, but read carefully verse 6:"And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and PROPHESIED." Prophesied? If it means teaching, then to whom they were teaching? To Paul? To theselves?

    Please study 1 Corinthians 14. Pay attention to v 24-25

    "But if all PROPHESY, and there come in one that believeth not, or one unlearned, he is convinced of all, he is judged of all:

    And thus are the secrets of his heart made manifest; and so falling down on his face he will worship God, and report that God is in you of a truth" Does it seem to you that prophesying here means teaching? Obviously not.

    So must there be prophets/foretellers in a church?
  • Jesse - in Reply on Deuteronomy 20
    Gina,

    There are many today who claim to be prophets and that they have "new revelation" from God. The sad part is that they share what God supposedly revealed to them, and they tell their congregation things like "God gave me this new revelation to give to you."

    Are there prophets today? I would say no, not like the Old Testament prophets. Now, can a person today still prophesy? I believe the answer to that is yes. Here's why I say this. To prophesy simply means to speak the word of God. The prophets of old were given direct prophecy from God and they foretold the future. They were "foretellers."

    Since we have the complete written word of God today, and at the end of Revelation, God said to seal up this book of prophecy and He also warned about adding to or taking away from the book of prophecy, there can be no new prophecy today.



    I mentioned that the prophets of old were fore-tellers. They foretold the future before it happened. But there is a different word for one who prophesies today, and that person would be a "forth-teller," meaning they take the already written word of God and forth tell the already complete prophecy contained in God's word.

    I would say that a person can still prophesy today (speak the already written word of God), but what they speak and claim to be prophecy has to line up with the completed prophecy we have today. If what they are saying comes from revelation given to them from God, and it cannot be found in God's word, that person must be labeled a false prophet!
  • Gina Jennings on Deuteronomy 20
    I have a question, Are there Prophets in this day and Time ?
  • T. Levis - in Reply on Deuteronomy 20
    Thank you Jesse! We are free because of the Brave!

    Matthew 10:34, Romans 8:38-39, Ecclesiastes 3:1-11,

    Genesis 3:24, 1Chronicles 21, 1Chronicles 24:16, Exodus 32:27, read in context Exodus 32, Leviticus 26, Numbers 22, Deuteronomy 13:15, Deuteronomy 20:13, Deuteronomy 32, Jeremiah 50:35-37, Amos 1:11, Amos 9:4-15,

    Joshua 5:10-15 continues Joshua 6,

    1Samuel 15,

    2Kings 6, note 2Kings 6:22, 2Chronicles 23:21, Nehemiah 4, Esther 9, Jeremiah 43:11, Hosea 2:18, Micah 4:3,

    Hope these encourage
  • Giannis - in Reply on Deuteronomy 20
    Dear Sheila

    Read Luke 3:14, it is about people going to John the Baptist and ask him what to do:

    "14 - And the soldiers likewise demanded of him, saying, And what shall we do? And he said unto them, Do violence to no man, neither accuse any falsely; and be content with your wages."

    John didn't ask the soldiers to quit the army. but treat people the right way (they were Roman soldiers occupying a foreign country).

    But nevertheless I don't think God likes people killing each other. He didn't make us for that purpose.

    GBU
  • Jesse - in Reply on Deuteronomy 20
    Sheila,

    I spent 22 years in the military and during that time, God never once put it on my heart that what I was doing was wrong. There are many instances in the Old Testament where God sent people into battle.
  • Sheila Arnold on Deuteronomy 20
    How do God feel about war? Is he against people in the military and military wars
  • WARS in the Bible - in Reply on Deuteronomy 20
    I'm just going to comment on the skinny of the wars in the Bible.

    There were wars that God ALLOWED, and then the wars that God COMMANDED. The book of Joshua is a good book to follow on "wars". It mentions wars and battles.

    "WESLEY'S COMMENTARY for Deuteronomy 20:4

    20:2 Speak unto the people - Probably to one regiment of the army after another.

    20:5 What man - This and the following exceptions are to be understood only of a war allowed by God, not in a war commanded by God, not in the approaching war with the Canaanites, from which even the bridegroom was not exempted, as the Jewish writers note.

    20:6 A vineyard - This and the former dispensation were generally convenient, but more necessary in the beginning of their settlement in Canaan, for the encouragement of those who should build houses or plant vineyards, which was chargeable to them, and beneficial to the common - wealth. Eaten of it - Heb. made it common, namely, for the use of himself and family and friends, which it was not, 'till the fifth year."

    In a war that God commanded, normal home building, animal care, vineyard planting would have to be entrusted with other family members.

    Life doesn't stop because you are of an age to join. People still get married and become fathers.

    There is a kind of harmony in the Books of Samuel, Kings, and Chronicles. Also Joshua.

    In 1 Corinthians 12:8 is a group of Ministry gifts that may not be in a position to have home, family, possessions, land. They traveled from place to place. Our times are different with trains, planes etc.

    I suggest you use Google to search out Commentaries written by different preachers.

    In Google type out: book and verse (you wish to study) and then type COMMENTARY after it.

    Sounds like a really good subject to study. Come back this way and let us know what you found.

    Mishael
  • Bro Barney - in Reply on Deuteronomy 20
    God told the officers of the army of Israel to send home all the soldiers who had unfinished business at home: a home he has not used, a vineyard he has not harvested, or an engaged woman he has not married - let them go home.
  • Victor on Deuteronomy 20
    Deuteronomy 20:5, 6, 7 how to understand the following

    ...built a new house, and hath not dedicated it?

    ... planted a vineyard, and hath not yet eaten of it?

    ... betrothed a wife, and hath not taken her?



    does house, wineyard, and wife mean something special?
  • Deuteronomy 2019 Commentary - in Reply on Deuteronomy 20:19
    The command to save trees for food during a siege. Deuteronomy 20:19

    When you besiege a city for a long time, while making war against it to take it, you shall not destroy its trees by wielding an ax against them; if you can eat of them, do not cut them down to use in the siege, for the tree of the field is man's food. Only the trees which you know are not trees for food you may destroy and cut down, to build siegeworks against the city that makes war with you, until it is subdued.

    a. When you besiege a city for a long time: When an army surrounded a city during a siege, the army would forage around the countryside for supplies. Needing wood for building and fuel, it would be common for the besieging army to cut down trees in the area around the city.

    b. Only the trees which you know are not trees for food you may destroy and cut down: However, God commanded Israel against cutting down trees for food when they besieged a city. They had to take a long-term view (one good for the ecology) and see that their immediate need for wood was less important than the long-term good of the area.

    You can Google this again if you want. There's one with a longer Jewish view on this verse if that's what you seek.
  • GOITOM GMICHAEL on Deuteronomy 20:19
    how i could i access this document on online?
  • Richard in Christ - in Reply on Deuteronomy 20:4
    As I'm not here to get into any discussion. Just to note a couple things. So you seem to want to read or speak in old English? Do you have some problem with the letter "J"? You said the name "Jon" did you mean "Ion"? The word "justice" you mean "iustice"?

    The Tetragrammaton or the four Hebrew letters of the Lords name "YHWH". Which first off Hebrew is right to left so that is backwards from what it is in Hebrew. The letters pronounced "Yod" "He" "Waw" "He" separate. As you can kind of see where people might pronounce it "YaHWeH". In modern Hebrew "Waw" is "Vav". Where "YaHoVaH" comes from. Although from someone who speaks Hebrew it is probably pronounced different than I might say it in English.

    Iesus is not pronounced "Jee-Zus" as you state. If some people can't pronounce the first "s" as an "s" that's not my problem and to me no big deal anyway. The Lord searches hearts not how you exactly pronounce something.

    These types of things about the name of the Lord very much sadden me and bring much division between people. I was saved by the name Jesus Christ. We truly should set our hearts on things of above. The Word. In the Holy Bible. Love is the key. To produce good fruit for our Father in Heaven and make Him happy. Find real relationship. There is nothing wrong with searching for the truth. Although the internet is flooded with false things. We must be sober and vigilant. Let the Holy Spirit guide you if you have been blessed to receive.

    Please don't take what I wrote the wrong way. You must be expecting friction here with the things you posted. I will not be writing on this again but I felt to leave a post.

    God Bless you in your journey.
  • Adam - in Reply on Deuteronomy 20:4
    Hello AyinRaah,

    I agree with the verse you shared, but do not agree with your interpretation of it.

    It says: "but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them."

    That means Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob did not know His name. That's all it says.

    However, your interpreted that to mean more than what it actually says, "God said very clearly, those who call me by "Jehova" do not know me,"

    No, God did not say that. For example, you don't know my name unless I volunteer it to you. That doesn't mean somehow that if you say my name that you magically don't know me- or that you would be disowned if you said it.

    It's important to read the Bible literally and to not inadvertently add to it.
  • AyinRaah - in Reply on Deuteronomy 20:4
    This is the correct Bible verse.

    Link

    "And I appeared vnto Abraham, vnto Isaac, and vnto Iacob, by the Name of God Almighty, but by my name IEHOVAH was I not knowen to them."

    YHWH's name is not pronounced [Yah-How-Wha] phonetically. Similarly, Iesus's name is not pronounced "Yeh-Shoo-Ah". His name is repeated throughout scripture as Iesus [Jee-Zus].

    YHWH's is referred to as "The All Mighty", "The Alpha and Omega", "I Am", "Breath of Life". Saying [Yah-Way], or [Jeh-Ho-Vah] is not his name. YHWH are the letter that express the Lord's name. Similarly, you would call someone name "Jon" [Jay-Oh-En]. It's like trying to say his name by speaking out letters.
  • S Spencer - in Reply on Deuteronomy 20:4
    Hi AyinRaah.

    Are you referring to this verse?

    Exodus 6:3 (KJV) And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.
  • AyinRaah on Deuteronomy 20:4
    God said very clearly, those who call me by "Jehova" do not know me, I know them not. Guess you didn't actually read the books of Moses.
  • Beatrice barnes on Deuteronomy 20
    Ire ne 123 people don't realize who the kenite are. When their is evil in the city, or country as Sodom and Gomorrah,GOD knows when there is wickedness in the land
  • Verse 8: When we are around others we want to speak encouraging and up building words. This can help others to have a positive outlook and strengthen them if they are discouraged.
  • The priests were to inform the people they should not be afraid and only those that are willing and able should be sent into battle. Peace was to be extended to their enemies and if it was not accepted they were to destroy them. God would be with them and they were not to wilfully destroy the trees but preserve those that were good for food. Obedience to God is key if we are to be overcomers.
  • April on Deuteronomy 20
    Although this sctipture seems blantantly clear on Lords intents,I think that we can apply some of the concepts to other parts of our lives,such as letting go and letting him drive,trusting that he wouldn't let something happen to us unless of course it is a part of our plan and we are his vessles hes using to do a job,when you say you live your life to GOD,how WHOLLY are you willing to give it?...
  • Irene123 on Deuteronomy 20
    People like to lay 'genocide' on God in the O.T. How does that 'change who He is and how does that make you better than Him?
  • Tetelestai Ministries on Deuteronomy 20
    Verse 19 is powerful ...Especially the fact the tree of the field is man's life .


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