Deuteronomy Chapter 18 Discussion



 
  • GiGi - in Reply on Deuteronomy 18
    Yes David

    We should live obedient, godly lives because of who God is, not for what we may get from Him.

    the more we grow in love for Him, the more we will seek Him for Who He is, because He will be all the Treasure we need.
  • David - in Reply on Deuteronomy 18
    Charles, where does it say "rewards that be earned crowns and jewels"? I'm saying to believe and obey the Lord. I did not say Jesus and do whatever you want because of grace. Believe in Him and His word.
  • Charles Robert Northup - in Reply on Deuteronomy 18
    God swore His wrath on the disobedient, so you have to obey as well, it's more than that there are rewards that can be earned crowns and jewels and your judge on what you do after you are saved Grace covers the sin you committed before you were saved the one's afterwards you have repent of and ask for forgiveness. You can't say Jesus and do whatever you want because of grace.
  • T. Levis - in Reply on Deuteronomy 18
    Love

    1 Corinthians 14, Leviticus 19:18,34, Deuteronomy 6:5, Deuteronomy 7:7,9,13, Matthew 5:44,46,
  • David on Deuteronomy 18
    Why do you make it so hard? Believe, worship and believe. Him, His son, His word. There is nothing else.
  • Gone fishing on Deuteronomy 18:18
    Good News God still rules and will put all enemies under Jesus feet !
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  • J2row - in Reply on Deuteronomy 18:18
    The correct verses of scripture to reference regarding this question is Exodus 20:3-6 quotes, "Thou shalt have no other gods before me. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments."

    I Corinthians 12 is referring to the Gifts of the Spirit. This whole chapter in 1 Corinthians 12 has nothing to do with addressing graven images of Jesus Christ.
  • Markcus Burch - in Reply on Deuteronomy 18:18
    No.

    1 Corinthians Chapter 12 should answer your question.
  • Albert Flores on Deuteronomy 18:18
    I. So. Not. Believe. If. Youb recieve. The. Holy. Gost. That. You speck. In. Tongues
  • Albert Flores on Deuteronomy 18:18
    If. A. Persin. Who. Has. The. Holy. Gost. Has. To. Soeck. In. Tongues
  • Adam - in Reply on Deuteronomy 18:18
    Hi Juan, it is resolved that the Word is Jesus in this passage- one has to twist things significantly to get it to mean anything else, as already demonstrated. Open dialog is good, but we should pray for wisdom first before reading the Bible and ask God for understanding. We must seek Him. If someone attempts to undermine Jesus' divinity, that should always be a red flag. Such things don't come from God. We must keep our armor of God on and keep watch. The Bible predicts there will be deceivers, 1 John 2:22, Mark 13:22, 2 Thessalonians 2:3-12, Matthew 24:24. It sounds unbelievable, but some Christians I've heard even elevate themselves on the same level as Jesus Christ, which fits what these verses say will happen near the end times.

    God bless...
  • Chris - in Reply on Deuteronomy 18:18
    James. Indeed, "God (the Word) was in Christ" - none can doubt that Truth, as Jesus only spoke what was given to Him of the Father. And yes, "God put his words in the mouth of his Son". John 12:49,50: "For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak." Also John 8:28, etc.

    Therefore, there can be no argument on that score as Jesus spoke those words as the Son of God. But the question remains: where was Jesus before His appearance on the Earth, coming as a Babe, born of a woman? And this is the difficulty with many: how can this human Jesus have a pre-existence? How can God's spoken Word even be made into flesh? And then we could & should also ask: How can God send out His Spirit to accomplish His Will on Earth if God is One, not two, three or more? It seems reasonable to understand that if God can issue out His Spirit (from within Himself) to do a Work, so can He issue out His Word (from within Himself) to bring it to His people. This He did through the prophets of old, but "Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds" ( Heb 11:2).

    Leaving aside John 1, Heb 11:2 tells us that God's Son brought God's Word & this Son is heir of all things & through WHOM God created the worlds. This is written plainly: that God's Word was made flesh to bring God's Word (and we know why He had to be man). Is it because you cannot envisage that a Word from God can be given flesh? Is not "God able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham?" Are Jesus' Words, "Before Abraham was, I am", have any significance to the pre-incarnate Jesus Christ? Let us not limit the Power of God by our weak human understanding & perceptions. I would be interested in how you would interpret these Scriptures.
  • Adam - in Reply on Deuteronomy 18:18
    James, that is indeed a creative interpretation I've never heard before. You claimed 'this is where your grave error starts', but have you considered if it's yours. The entire chapter is about the Word, who is Jesus, and the first 5 verses don't even change the subject in terms of the English. You could probably hand these first 5 verses to any English teacher in the world and they will know it's the same subject. Let's break it down...

    1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

    Subject: Word

    2The same was in the beginning with God.

    Subject: Word (because it says "The same was..." so it's the same Word)

    3All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

    Subject: Word. In this language we are still talking about the same entity, unless there's an obvious change.

    4In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

    Subject: Word, and introduced a new synonym: the "light of men"

    5And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

    Subject: Word, using the new name "light"

    6There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.

    Subject: John. See how when it changes subjects, it's obvious? There was a man... whose name was John.

    So, if what you're saying is true about He/Him in v3 suddenly switching characters without warning, it's inconsistent with the rest of the writing.

    Then in v6-7 it says that John came to witness to the Light who is the Word, and it only further confirms it's Jesus as in v14 it says the Word became flesh. I wonder how you would interpret that to fit your current belief?

    Do you believe Jesus is Lord? Romans 10:9.

    Do you believe the Lord is God as it says in John 20:28?

    God bless...
  • Brother Dan - in Reply on Deuteronomy 18:18
    I agree, when Christ speaks....the words come from God his Father. Amen.

    John 12:49

    "For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak."

    John 14:10

    "Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works."

    God bless

    God Bless
  • Juan Diaz - in Reply on Deuteronomy 18:18
    Senior I am so confused. Teachers are taught that Jesus is the word of OT/NT. Scholars disagree the same. It needs to be resolved.
  • James - in Reply on Deuteronomy 18:18
    Adam, you said: "He, the Word, was also the light of men. I hope we agree on that. So far we have 2 different names/metaphors used to refer to Him."

    This is where your grave error starts. The "Him" and "He" in John 1:3,4 is refering to God. Not the Son of God or the mythological god the son. The Word is God and God is a Spirit. Just like you have your word. Your word is not another person from you. It is you. When you speak, it is you who speaks, not a co equal person.

    God did not become a man, he is not a man. But God was manifest in the flesh, he came in the flesh.
  • James - in Reply on Deuteronomy 18:18
    You misunderstand, Chris. Of a truth, the word was put into the mouths of many men. But none of these men (except one) were the only begotten Son of God. god the son is a fable and does not exist. God (the Word) was in Christ. God put his words in the mouth of his Son. Jesus said that the words he spake were not his own, but his Father's.
  • Chris - in Reply on Deuteronomy 18:18
    Hi James. You said, "The Word is not a person. The Word is the word. A 5 year old can understand this. God put his words in the mouth of a man. This is how the Word (the Word of God) was made flesh."

    As you know, the Word of God was put into many men over the ages. Moses, David, Isaiah, Jeremiah, the prophets, & many others. Was this Word from God also made flesh in them as well? If so, of what importance, relevance or accuracy would this interpretation be? We are never told that the Word became flesh to any of these men: they were just men chosen by God to bring forth His Word to His people. As far as I can discern, the messages that came to them to be given to the people, were simply God's Word for Israel's obedience, knowledge & instruction - there was no reconstruction of that Word into a fleshly form - it was just an echo of God's direct Word to them.

    But when Jesus came on the scene, He didn't just echo God's Word to Israel, but He was the Word of God - He wasn't just a Proclaimer but the Word was His Character. If this were not so, He would have been just as all the other prophets in the past (no different, no better). But Hebrews 1:1-3 tells us that this Prophet was different in His Birth ('express Image of God'), in His Glory ('the brightness of God's Glory'), in His creative Work ('made the worlds & upholds all things by His Power'), in His Sacrifice ('purging our sins'), in His return to His Glory, John 17:5 ('at the right Hand of God').

    If you see this Jesus & believe that He was just another Prophet or a godly Man chosen of God, how does God's Word brought out through flesh have any relevance on God's Word made flesh? The former was given by man inspired by God. The latter was done by God sent out from within Himself, so that His Word would become flesh (man) for our sakes, which no other prophet could ever do. This separated Jesus from all others. John 1:14: "..the only begotten (unique, one of a kind) of the Father...".
  • Richard in Christ - in Reply on Deuteronomy 18:18
    Hello brother Adam,

    As I really don't know of many groups though I have seen it here by some numerous times.

    The first that come to mind that discredit the divinity of Christ are I believe, Jehovah's Witnesses, Muslims, and non converted Jewish people of coarse. And to note one thing at the end of a comment in that "Christ did not exist before His birth and neither did you or I". Well no one except Jesus Christ was born of a virgin conceived of the Holy Ghost.

    Some have tried to say that "stating Jesus Christ is more than a man is idolatry" Which is very sad to me. As in Scriptures like 1 John 2:23 or John 14:6. Even in my own personal experience. I prayed to God for most of my life. Though when I was led to Jesus Christ and knew He was from God reading His teachings. After giving myself to Him my entire life changed from the inside out. Praise the Lord!
  • Carleton - in Reply on Deuteronomy 18:18
    Wondering too if what has changed is the Christian for worldly wants is taking vengeance to himself. This is likely a sign of the times. Brother Chris recently wrote on how only God can seek vengeance. Jesus is, was , and always will be the Lamb of God.
  • Earl Bowman - in Reply on Deuteronomy 18:18
    Richard, May CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

    Christ did exist before from the beginning.

    The answer is in the parable of the sower of the seed. The seed is the word of God; Jesus is the (promised) seed to Abraham, Issac and Jacob. A seed has become a plant (in this case a man) before it can produce seed (other men) exact like itself.
  • Adam - in Reply on Deuteronomy 18:18
    Amen! I love to see the Bible being shared. That was clearly explained and backed up by scripture. Jesus is the Word and Jesus is Lord. What's interesting is this has been the consensus understanding of Christians (and even non-Christians) reading the Bible for centuries up until just a few months ago when I started hearing people attacking the divinity of Jesus using this new creative angle. It's almost as though someone recently published a book or a TV evangelist said something recently and got people on the bandwagon to spread such new assumptions. Do you have any idea as to the origin of this?
  • Richard in Christ - in Reply on Deuteronomy 18:18
    Just feeling to reply to this. Not really wanting to.

    Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the FATHER, and of the SON, and of the HOLY GHOST:

    1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the FATHER, the WORD, and the HOLY GHOST: and these THREE are ONE.

    Revelation 19:11-14 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and He that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He doth judge and make war.

    His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on His head were many crowns; and He had a name written, that no man knew, but He Himself.

    And He was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and His name is called The WORD of GOD.

    One definition from "Logos" or "Word" in Greek. In John, denotes the essential Word of God, Jesus Christ, the personal wisdom and power in union with God, his minister in creation and government of the universe, the cause of all the world's life both physical and ethical, which for the procurement of man's salvation put on human nature in the person of Jesus the Messiah, the second person in the Godhead, and shone forth conspicuously from His words and deeds. A Greek philosopher named Heraclitus first used the term Logos around 600 B.C. to designate the divine reason or plan which coordinates a changing universe. This word was well suited to John's purpose in John 1.

    John 17:3-5 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

    I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.

    And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

    If you can't believe in Scripture that Jesus Christ Himself says He existed before the world was. Just one place. I can't help you.

    Jesus Christ did exist before He was born. Other Scriptures state this also.

    God Bless.
  • Adam - in Reply on Deuteronomy 18:18
    Dear James, have you read the rest of John 1? It explains quite clearly that the Word is Jesus. We should pray to God for wisdom and understanding so that we may know the truth. Assuming you're open and searching for the truth, let's break this scripture down...

    v1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

    The Word was God. That seems perfectly clear. I hope we agree on this so far.

    v3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

    At least 2 things we learn here, that the Word is a 'him' and He made everything. It doesn't say He was created or born only, but just that He was there from the beginning.

    v5 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

    He, the Word, was also the light of men. I hope we agree on that. So far we have 2 different names/metaphors used to refer to Him.

    v6-7 John came ...to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.

    This is talking about John the Baptist. I hope we on that.

    v14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

    So this same Word/light of men and 'he' male entity became flesh (like a person) and 'dwelt among us' John the author wrote. This sounds an awful lot like the Word became a human being, do you agree?

    This John who bore witness sounds an awful lot like John the Baptist as described in Matthew 3:1-17 who called Jesus 'Lord' and even baptized Him. It's a perfect match. Do you agree?

    So, just in this one chapter, we have learned a lot about the Word, that the Word was with God in the beginning and WAS God, and 'He' became flesh and dwelt among us (as a person) and that John the Baptist bore witness to the Light of Men and the Lord coming, and this matches perfectly in other parts of the Bible where Jesus came. Jesus made a significant impact on everyone and is the light of men today. Do you agree?
  • James - in Reply on Deuteronomy 18:18
    Respectfully, Earl, you are mistaken. The Word is not a person. Please do not insert words where they do not belong.

    John 1:1 says:

    "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

    It doesn't say: "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god the son".

    God is a Spirit. And God was in Christ. His Son. When God filled his Son with the Holy Ghost, the Word was made flesh. Deuteronomy 18:18 was fulfilled.

    The right of the first born is not always given to the first born, as is evident by the scripture. Look at Israel's and Joseph's sons for example.

    The Son of God is the beginning of the creation because all things were created by him in mind. "Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, BY whom also he made the worlds;"

    The Son of God did not exist before his birth. And neither did you and I.
  • Earl Bowman - in Reply on Deuteronomy 18:18
    James, may christ in us grace us with his wisdom and his understanding.

    god is spirit

    john 4:24

    the word was god

    john 1:1

    my words are spirit and life

    john 6:63

    christ was the first born of the word and the spirit

    revelation 3:14 ... the beginning of creation.

    yes the word is a person; christ existed long before he was made flesh.
  • Amen. Deuteronomy 18:18 was fulfilled in John 1:14. The Word is not a person. The Word is the word. A 5 year old can understand this. God put his words in the mouth of a man. This is how the Word (the Word of God) was made flesh.
  • Sacha - in Reply on Deuteronomy 18
    Hi malcolm ,dont know why you addressed your last message to me as i havent posted about baptism or salvation etc .
  • Malcolm Houston - in Reply on Deuteronomy 18
    This is to sacha, being baptized does not save you. placing trust and faith in christ saves. look at romans 10:9,10. now, this is one passage that is spoken quite often about hell. it's a parable about the rich man and lazarus luke 16:19-31.


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