Daniel Chapter 9 Discussion



 
  • Hilarion charles on Daniel 9
    I am baptised i had a dream wearing a ring, and removed the ring in the dream upon moving the ring , i heard a voice told me that you started a ministry , i want you to go back and start the ministry ,

    can you please shed some light on this dream of mine

    thank you
  • Chris - in Reply on Daniel 9
    Hello Hilarion Charles. Whenever we feel or believe that God has spoken to us, whether in a dream, whilst in prayer, or from reading His Word, He will always confirm His Message to us in other ways. I think of young Samuel (in 1 Samuel 3:1-10) when he heard a voice speak to him in the night. Supposing that voice to be of the aged Eli, he went to him. But the voice was actually from God, & God continued to call him & finally gave him His Word only when Samuel spoke, "Speak Lord, for Thy servant heareth".

    Back in 1987, I heard the Spirit's Voice, whilst in prayer, directing me to go out & serve in overseas Missions. I was even told the name of Mission organization which I hadn't heard of before. I could hardly believe that deep sense of conviction I had in me. I continued to pray about it asking if that was truly God's Message & if He would order my future actions to meet that end. I shared this encounter with no one, but waited for God to move. So, in a series of events, with the sale of my home to a buyer who had never seen house (I hadn't even advertised it nor employed a selling agent), the buyer who lived in the UK whom I'd never met, & who paid me a price that was above the market value, I sensed the Lord was in control & directing me. And with various other occurrences (providing all the finances, etc.), the Lord made it amply clear that this Word was from Him & He was in control.

    Sorry, I can't interpret your dream about your ring & the Word given to you, but I can share with you, that if that's God's Word to you, then hand that matter over to God, asking Him to make that Word abundantly clear to you in the days & weeks ahead, making it a very real burden upon your heart, & to open up the way (even through the obstacles) to see the goal achieved. If God is not it, then leave it be & continue to praise Him with all your heart & remain faithful in every aspect of your life. In so doing, you will surely hear from your Heavenly Father again. Blessings.
  • S Spencer - in Reply on Daniel 9
    Amen Brother Chris for that encouraging testimony and advice to all us listeners.

    God bless.
  • Chris - in Reply on Daniel 9
    Thank you brother S. Spencer. That was indeed a special directive from the Lord to me which was both unusual & yet very specific - I had been praying much about the matter as I felt the Lord leading me that way, but not knowing the path to take. But it took patience & a constant looking to the Lord over a number of years. And even this may not be quite the experience of many, though I'm certain that both you & others here have at times sensed being led in a direction in life or sharing a word with someone, or even given extra power or courage, that didn't come from any inclination of the mind or body, rather being compelled to do so by the Spirit (i.e. being taken & drawn forward by the arm, by God).

    Romans 8:14: "For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God". Often we read this verse as given, but I like to also read it backwards: 'if you're a child of God, then you WILL be led by the Spirit of God'. A similar rendering, but the emphasis being on 'being led'. We could add, 'where the Holy Spirit wants to go, we will go as well - what He wants to do, we will do as well'. His indwelling us is more than an earthly temple to dwell in, but to get the Work of God accomplished through us. But it's a sad day when we resist Him. Every blessing brother.
  • Ptjones on Daniel 9
    Daniel 9:26-27. After 69 weeks the Messiah will cut off. He will be rejected.After that the people of the Prince (Jesus)to come will destroy the city and the Holy Sanctuary.The Prince used in two the two passages are one and the same.The people of Prince referred here was the Roman army.Because the Jews rejected their Messiah and killed Him. So that they are also rejected by God and they are no longer God's own people.After stoning of Stephen in AD 34 Jews sealed their fate and 70 weeks prophecy completed for the Jews and the gospel went to gentiles through Apostle Paul.So whoever believe in Jesus Christ are become His own people.Thus Romans are also His people.The abomination that desolated the Israel nation was rejecting their Messiah and killing Him.Through Jesus Christ by His sacrifice on the cross all sacrifices ended and the new covenant come in to force and it was sealed by His own blood.
  • Richard in Christ on Daniel 9:27
    Not that this is really that important to me. Wow. I don't think I've ever seen so many people ask about a certain book in the Bible in one day.

    If anyone is wondering about that book that was read at someones funeral. Just scroll through the comments a bit and you'll see numerous answers given to numerous people about the same thing. Also the people that posted that are looking for the book the link to it is right next to your name.

    The Apocrypha books were originally in the 1611 KJV Holy Bible. They only began removing them in 1885 as you can read on this page. As there are some things that some people didn't like. Also there are many things that connect directly to the teachings of the rest of the Holy Bible.
  • P T Jones on Daniel 9
    Daniel 24.Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy, Holy city to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for inequity and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. The seventy weeks started in 456 BC and ended in 34 AD. The time period upto Messiah was seven weeks, and three score and two weeks. That is 7+62=69 weeks. ie 69*7=483 years. That is when Jesus was anointed - in CE 27. Daniel 9:27- And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and oblation to cease. ie in the midst of the seventh week ie AC 31 Jesus died in the cross and resurrected. Then after stoning to death of Stephen the gospel was given to gentiles as his own people rejected it AC 34.Thus the 70 weeks prophecy fulfilled in AC 34.This my understanding.
  • Dahg on Daniel 9:24
    I would disagree with the statement that the days are prophetically years. Notice that it starts from the going forth of the decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem. This was done in the times of Nehemiah and Ezra. To say the Messiah mentioned here is Jesus is troubling to me as I don't see him fulfilling the rest of the prophesy verbatim. It is much more likely that the prophesy was fulfilled literally as I believe a through study of the time will show/prove.
  • Chris - in Reply on Daniel 9:24
    I agree with your understanding about the rebuilding of Jerusalem & its walls. But then, who is the Messiah referred to? I can't think of anyone that Daniel might consider to be a (type) of Messiah.
  • Shemieka williams - in Reply on Daniel 9:24
    Hi everyone how are u all today
  • Doug on Daniel 9
    Can you please explain Daniel 9:25, Seven weeks, threescore and 2 weeks. What does the threescore and 2 weeks mean?

    Thank you,

    Doug
  • Nadine Brasier on Daniel 9
    Hasn't Daniel 9:26 and 27 already happened?
  • Drew - in Reply on Daniel 9
    Hi Nadine,

    I know that the common belief is that Daniel 9:27 warns of a coming anti-christ. I hope you will consider that the one confirming the "covenant" with many is Christ and not anti-christ.

    This chapter, Daniel 9, is a prayer for the forgiveness of Israel and that prayer is answered when Gabriel is sent to Daniel with a semi detailed timeline of the arrival of the Lord our Savior. Especially Note that Daniel 9:4 states "... O Lord, the great and dreadful God, keeping the COVENANT and mercy to them that love him...". Isn't this he covenant being spoken of in verse 27?

    Daniel 9:25 essentially says that Messiah will appear upon the end of the first 69 weeks. This would coincide with about the time of the beginning of the ministry of Christ.

    Daniel 9:26 says that 'after' 69 weeks Messiah will be cut off. Many people believe that Christ's ministry lasted about 3 1/2 years after which He was crucified.

    Also notice the similarity between Daniel 9:27 "And he shall confirm the covenant with many..." and Mat 26:28 and Mar 14:24 where Christ's Words are very similar while He is having the last supper with His disciples. The word "testament" in these verses can also be translated "covenant".

    Also, for scholars to suggest that satan confirms covenants is little ridiculous and I don't think that the Bible would support that notion.

    I suspect that much of the visions which were given to Daniel are still sealed and will shortly begin to be revealed. I wouldn't put much stock in a "broken seven year covenant between satan and God's 'chosen people'". A belief that is based on an odd reading of Daniel 9:27.
  • Chris - in Reply on Daniel 9
    Yes, Daniel 9:26 was accomplished at the coming of the Messiah and then in AD 70, Emperor Titus marched into Jerusalem & destroyed it. Verse 27 is also attributed to this invasion though some see it as a picture of the future Anti-Christ who comes to 'bring peace' in the middle east conflicts, yet mid-week through his reign breaks any covenant he makes with Israel, & indeed goes against her. From hereon, Israel's sorrows multiply.
  • Bee Peterson on Daniel 9
    In verse 23 shows that Jehovah God highly values his faithful older servants. Daniel was probably in his 90s here and Jehovah God referred to him as precious or very desirable. This is such a refreshing scripture because in our society older ones are not given the respect and honor they deserve. So we should work hard to have Jehovah's viewpoint of older ones and to express our affection for faithful older ones.
  • P T Jones on Daniel 9:27
    Daniel 9.26-27 tells us about our Lord's ministry and his crucification and prophecy about destruction of Israel and its sanctuary by Roman armies in 70 AD. Daniel 9.27 says he (Jesus) shall confirm the covenant with many for one week - (his gospel work )and in the midst of the week he (Jesus )shall cause the sacrifice and oblation(animal sacrifice) to cease - (by his sacrifice in the cross)and for over spreading of abominations he(Jesus) shall make it (animal sacrifice) desolate- Godforsaken- even until consummation and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate - the Israel nation.
  • Francesco - in Reply on Daniel 9:27
    This too is how I read and understand it. The confirmation week is not prophesying the Revelation
  • Carleton - in Reply on Daniel 9:27
    More meditations following these thoughts from Daniel.

    Perhaps then, while these times were fulfilled by the Gentiles as mentioned in Romans 11 , there was a period of mercy for the root of Israel to grow branches in the New Covenant and this mercy was and had to be first as Israel was the first born, yet only a remnant came to the New Covenant and filled the branches while many branches were broken off by unbelief. Yet by mercy again in the New Covenant, these broken branches allowed the grafting in of the True believing Gentiles. Together they became one church and one baptism.
  • JL on Daniel 9
    The first part of verse 26 and verse 27 could be linked together as they are both referring to Jesus Christ, whereas, the second part of verse 26 is referring to the people of the Roman prince namely Antiochus who destroyed Jerusalem and the temple and its people in 70 A.D.
  • Winifred on Daniel 9:1
    Q

    what does it means when the bible say sackcloth and ashes?
  • Bob Hilt - in Reply on Daniel 9:1
    Sackcloth and ashes is extreme mourning and / or repentance. sackcloth was rough uncomfortable for clothing. Sitting in ashes was dirty and I suppose symbolic of being dirty and burn out? It is humility before the Lord

    2 Samuel 3:31 And David said to Joab, and to all the people that were with him, Rend your clothes, and gird you with sackcloth, and mourn before Abner. And king David himself followed the bier.

    Genesis 37:34 And Jacob rent his clothes, and put sackcloth upon his loins, and mourned for his son many days.

    Nehemiah 9:1 Now in the twenty and fourth day of this month the children of Israel were assembled with fasting, and with sackclothes, and earth upon them.

    Psalms 35:13 But as for me, when they were sick, my clothing was sackcloth: I humbled my soul with fasting; and my prayer returned into mine own bosom.

    Daniel 9:3 And I set my face unto the Lord God, to seek by prayer and supplications, with fasting, and sackcloth, and ashes:
  • Nona J on Daniel 9
    In Psalm 23- what is the 'rod' and the 'staff' referred to in this Psalm? Gods Word? Gods Holy Spirit?
    What does it mean to 'dwell' in the house of The Lord? Is it practicing the presence of God always? To dwell???? How can I dwell in the house of The Lord as I do my every day chores? go to work? do my shopping etc
    Thank you for your help in clarifying these for me.
  • Lisa - in Reply on Daniel 9
    The rod? Have you heard a saying that goes "spare the rod, spoil the child" chastisement
    The staff? That was used as a comfort.. so to speak. Before the Bible was in existence
    To dwell in the house of the Lord?
    As a Christian, we are not perfect, we fall short daily, many times daily. We should live a Christian life, if ya know it's wrong, don't do it. Be ye a separate people. Do not be conformed to the world. Live your life as God was right there with you every second of the day. And pray ask for forgiveness when you mess up.. nobody can walk your walk but you. 😁
  • RODNEY BASCOMBE on Daniel 9
    Very powerful scripture
  • Obbie Beal on Daniel 9
    faithful Daniel (though a slave in a foreign country) holds a high office in government; he has not forgotten Jehovah /God; also this prayer of Daniel clearly teaches us in 2019 why GOD allowed HIS wrath on the promised-land. This prayer of Daniel is applicable to us because the whole world has repeated that day /then. So Being SAVED BY THE BLOOD OF JESUS is our only HOPE. The trial-date is set.
  • Merinda afanui sama on Daniel 9
    I SEE DANIEL'S HUMILITY IN PRAYERS THAT WON GOD'S FAVOUR.IF WE NEED OUR PRAYERS TO BE ANSWERED SPEEDILY THEN WE MUST BE HUMBLE IN OUR PETITION TO GOD.
  • BSP on Daniel 9
    Verses 1,2~Daniel was now an older man, but he was still a deep student of God's Word. We want to continue to read the Bible throughout all the days of our lives like Daniel did.
  • Harvey plunkett on Daniel 9
    Jesus is record twice to have commended the reading and understanding of Daniel. Matt. 24 and in mrk. This commendation would seem to imply daniel was, even in that era, open for intelligent understand of times relative to events in their order for sequence: "signs for the times."
  • A disciple on Daniel 9
    verse 27 - I think it is foolishness and irresponsible as a servant of the Lord to try to make up methods and formulas for deciphering things that are declared sealed by God. What things ARE revealed to us, are the things we should occupy ourselves in; for they are the things which we must give account for when the Master returns. As we grow in grace and are able to bear it, He will show us more.
  • A disciple on Daniel 9
    (Cont.) Yet there are multitudes of immature and misguided, who know nothing nor seem to have any clue to seek for, the kind of character that God WOULD INDEED RESPECT, in order to find knowledge. Daniel was confessing and repenting, and acknowledging the truth about himself and of all God's people; NOT seeking to be anything great! THEN did the LORD send to give him understanding of all things!


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