Daniel Chapter 8 Discussion



 
  • Chris - in Reply on Daniel 8
    Hi Nelcene. Media is the old name of the Median Empire that ruled between 625-550 BC, of which Persia lay to the East of the Empire & Media to the West. The whole empire stretched from present day Eastern Turkey to the Indus River (from which India gets its name), so it was a very large Empire. Nowadays, as you wrote, most of that area is occupied by Iran (& Afghanistan & Pakistan); with Iraq, Armenia, Syria & Lebanon occupying the Western part. Cyrus the Great of Persia later conquered the Medes & all the land became part of the Persian Empire. Of note, Media was a son of Japheth, Noah's son (spelled Madai in Genesis 10:2).

    Grecia is present day Greece but in those early days, its territorial boundaries are dissimilar to today's Greece. Notably, another son of Japheth, Javan, (Hebrew word for Greece is, Yavan) & Javan is generally understood as being the father of the Grecians.
  • Nelcene Newman on Daniel 8
    Persia is Iran. Who is Media, Grecia, {goat}?
  • PAUL BRANDOLINO on Daniel 8
    Verse Daniel 8:9. Out of one of them came forth a little horn - Some think that Antiochus Epiphanes is meant; it is the Roman government that is intended; and although very great at its zenith, yet very little in its rising.

    Waxed-great toward the south - The Romans made Egypt a province of their empire, and it continued such for some centuries.

    Toward the east - They conquered Syria, and made it a province.

    Toward the pleasant land.] Judea, so called Psalms 106:24; Jeremiah 3:19; Daniel 11:16; Daniel 11:41. It is well known that they took Judea, and made it a province; and afterwards burnt the city and the temple, and scattered the Jews over the face of the earth.

    THE PROPHECY

    Dan: 9:24: Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people (Jews) and upon thy holy city, (Jerusalem) to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins (SIN is the transgression of god's law), and to make reconciliation for iniquity(Christ did that when he died see Isaiah 53, and to bring in everlasting righteousness(see 1john 3:5 in him there is no sin), and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most holy. (place

    0. Da:9:25: Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince(Jesus) shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

    Dan: 9:26: """And after threescore and two weeks"""(in the last week) shall Messiah (Jesus) be cut off, (die) but not for himself,( for the sins of the world) and the people (solders') of the prince (Titus PRINCE OF ROME his father was Vespasian Cesar Pontifex Maximus pagan high priest).that shall come( in AD 70) shall destroy the city (Jerusalem) and the sanctuary;(temple) and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

    What does ""cut off"" mean Isa: 53:8: He was taken from prison and from judgment:
  • PAUL BRANDOLINO on Daniel 8
    the little horn is imperial Rome

    latter time of their kingdom papacy

    And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.

    24And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.

    25And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.
  • PAUL BRANDOLINO on Daniel 8
    the little horn is imperial Rome

    latter time of their kingdom papacy

    And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.

    24And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.

    25And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.
  • Pat - in Reply on Daniel 8
    Hi Gary Jesus died for our sins because he love us with an everlasting love. This is the only way we can obtain eternal life. When Adam and Eve disobey Gods commandment death was our sentence but Jesus redeemed us with His Love. I am presently reading this book "The Story of Redemption" and it as and is a blessing. I recommend you either purchase or download it. I know it will be a blessing to you.
  • Simon on Daniel 8
    satan's spiritual relationship with antichrist parallels that of God to Jesus.

    -God's Spirit is counterfeited by satan spirit

    -Jesus' Spirit is counterfeited by antichrist spirit

    -Holy Ghost is counterfeited by the false prophet spirit

    1) Jesus's ministry was 42 months

    To: ( Revelation 13:5) antichrist receives 42 months

    2) ( Revelation 1:8)

    To ( Revelation 17:8)

    3) ( Revelation 5:6)

    To: ( Revelation 13:3)

    The three evil spirits that God had stricken us with, to prove us, are gone. ( Revelation 16:13) ( Revelation 19:20) ( Revelation 20:10). It is the dragon (satan) the boss that gets locked up for 1,000 years..

    Below is conclusive "mirroring" evidence of the spirit world hierarchy:

    ( Daniel 8:24) And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.

    "but not by his own power" as that power comes from the dragon, given from God.

    ( Revelation 13:2) And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

    "the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority". satan gives power to antichrist, antichrist is the son of satan, but antichrist is not satan. antichrist is under the possession of satan.

    ( Titus 2:13) Many scriptures point to Jesus being God, but this hierarchy evidence can't be overlooked. Jesus told his adversaries all along who he was, but they didn't have the wherewithal to grasp it, Jesus continually said His power was not of His own, but of the Father. The theologians argue this paradox out to contention.

    ( John 5:19) ...The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do....

    ( John 12:49) For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me....
  • Chris - in Reply on Daniel 8
    Just to add some further thoughts to Skip's very good answer to you: as shared from Romans 6:23, the committing of sin, even the smallest sin, will only reap the punishment of death (both physical & spiritual death). As people, we like to grade our sins & misdemeanours, believing that a white lie or evil thought is certainly not as severe as actually offending or hurting someone else. But God sees our behaviour differently, simply because He is Holy, without sin, never knowing sin. So He expected that His perfect creation would behave likewise, as He is. But you know the story: that didn't happen, so the sin nature was passed down the line, & we all do wrong & sin against God.

    God had every right to turn His Face from his creation, to either allow us to wallow in wickedness & ultimately be consigned to Hell, or maybe, instantly destroy all mankind, so you & I wouldn't even be here today. But God had a third option: an option not from unrestrained anger seeking our destruction, but of great unfathomable Love from within Him & undeserved Mercy for a wretched people, that would seek our welfare & give us a new life & hope.

    Since the only way to pay for our sin is by death (as a heinous sinful nature could only bring the death penalty), we would still have ended up in Hell. But what if someone came before the Great Judge & offered to take on our punishment & make full payment for our sin, so that we wouldn't have Hell as our destination but would be forgiven, anticipating Heaven. Who could fit the bill as the one offering Himself had to be perfect, as God is Perfect? No man could - only God Himself could. For that reason, He sent His Son, His Own precious Word made like us in the flesh, so that a full payment could be made, through His dying on the Cross in our place. But death couldn't hold Him. He arose from the grave so God could now 'justify' us (i.e. He could look at us forgiven sinners 'just as if' we had never sinned). WHY? His LOVE compelled Him to do this.
  • SkipVought - in Reply on Daniel 8
    Welcome, Gary, in the Wondrous name of Jesus.

    I think that most people desire that things be fair, for the bag guys to get what they deserve. But we have it a bit lopsided when it comes to us personally. There, we tend to be somewhat forgiving.

    Let's look at an example. Suppose I got angry and slapped my neighbor in the face. What punishment might I receive? How about if I slapped a cop? Same act. Do you think the punishment would be the same? Suppose it was the leader of some country like Saudi Arabia? What would I get then? Probably much more severe. What if I slapped God? Well God is a spirit, I know, but isn't that, in effect, what we do when we do our own thing, denigrate other creatures created in His image. In The Sermon on the Mount, Jesus said if you are angry with someone, it's equivalent to murder and if you lust after a woman, you're just like an adulterer and ends that portion of His discourse with "Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect." Mat 5:48 (KJVA)

    I'm far from perfect, how about you? We are all sinning every day of our lives, falling short of the glory of The Father's perfection. "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;" Rom 3:23 (KJVA) Eze 18:20The soul that sinneth, it shall die. Because we are hopelessly broken sinners and deserve death, "For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." Rom 6:23 (KJVA) Jesus took our punishment. This event is often referred to as The Great Exchange. Jesus takes our sin enduring the wrath of The Father and we get Jesus' Righteousness.

    When Adam sinned, he died. He lost daily fellowship with God. His spirit was dead. Adam and Eve tried to clothe themselves in leaves. God caused an animal to die to give them a covering. This was a picture of Jesus dying for for our sin in order to cover us with His Righteousness. John the Baptist referred to Jesus as The Lamb of God: The Perfect Passover Lamb.
  • Gary on Daniel 8
    I am having difficulty understanding why Jesus died for my sins. Can you please point me in the right direction?.
  • Truth seeker on Daniel 8
    Daniel 8.23

    Here is a good indicator of when the Antichrist himself is revealed.

    Notice it's when transgressors are come to the full , or about as evil as it gets , we are not close to this yet approaching this , like the times of Noah , continual evil in their thinking . No thoughts of God .

    Also it's at the end of this particular kingdom , that to this day not yet set up . But forming could be the NWO .

    So things are going to degenerate until this time , then the Lord comes . And it's over for evil in this world .

    Trust the Lord and he will see you through even the darkest of times like Noah and Daniel in the lions den !
  • Lawrence P Beduhn on Daniel 8
    Seventy weeks are determined upon THY PEOPLE people and upon THY HOLY CITY,

    ...to finish the transgression, and

    ( Jn 1:29; 1 Jn 3:5; Is 53:12)

    ...to make an end of sins, and

    ( 1 Cor 15:3; Col 1:19-20; Heb 9:26-28)

    ...to make reconciliation for iniquity, and

    ( Rom 5:10; 2 Cor 5:18; Col 1:20-22; Eph 2:14-16)

    ...to bring in everlasting righteousness, and

    ( Matt 3:15; Rom 3:21-22; Rom 8:4; 2 Cor 5:21)

    ...to seal up the vision and prophecy, and

    ( Jn 19:30; Luke 24:25-27; Rev 19:10)

    ...to anoint the most Holy.

    (Is 61:1; Mark 1:15; Luke 4:18; Heb 9:8)

    { Daniel 9:24} < The context

    And he [the Messiah] shall confirm the covenant with many for ONE WEEK: and IN THE MIDST OF THE WEEK (the seventieth) he [Christ] SHALL CAUSE THE SACRIFICE AND THE OBLATION TO CEASE, and for the overspreading of abominations (the continued temple sacrifices, after Christ one perfect sacrifice.) he shall makeitdesolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate. ("Behold your house has been left unto you desolate.")

    { Daniel 9:27}

    Only our Creator can have a covenant with his creation.

    7 weeks + 62 weeks + one week = 70 weeks, to anoint the most Holy, and to seal up the vision and the prophecy.
  • Lawrence P Beduhn on Daniel 8:12
    Teil 2

    The Roman mass is the abomination that maketh desolate:

    (And it practiced and prospered.)

    The eucharist of the Sun-day resurrection (as they refer to it) is in their own words a literal sacrifice to Christ resurrection, but Christ made it (the last supper) to be a memorial to HIS DEATH (sacrifice) till he comes again.

    Placing the significance on the resurrection of Jesus in place of his death, is a denial of the Atonement and reconciliation that our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ made with his own blood at the cross.

    This was set up in 508 A.D. with the decree of Clovis, and will continue till Christ comes to execute his judgments that began in 1844:
  • Lawrence P Beduhn on Daniel 8
    Yea, he [antichrist beast] magnifiedhimselfeven to [against] the princeof the host[Christ], and by him the dailysacrificewas taken awayH7311H7311, and the place of his [Christ] sanctuarywas cast down.

    { Daniel 8:11}

    (Here the place of the true sanctuary is being cast down: see Heb 8:1)

    And armsshall standon his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuaryof strength, and shall --take away--H5493[call/bring back] the daily, and they --shall place-- H5414 [set up]the abominationthat maketh desolate.

    { Daniel 11:31}

    --Jesus at his crusifiction caused the sacrifice and the oblation of the daily to cease.

    ( Daniel 9:27)

    And from the time[508 A.D.] thatthe daily (sacrifice)shall be --taken away--H5493, [call back] and the abominationthat maketh desolateset upH5414,there shall be a thousandtwo hundredand ninetydays. ("The time of the end")

    { Daniel 12:11}

    (The spurious sanctuary being set up in place of the true sanctuary in heaven, which is what the terminus quem of 1798 A D. gives us.)

    This is the antichrist beast of Rome who thinks to change times and laws of God, and who in their own words thinks to reinstate the the literal sacrifices (daily) that Christ caused to cease with his one perfect sacrifice.

    And he ['ha moshiach'] shall confirm the covenant ['berit hadashah'] with many for one week: and in the midst of the week [the 70th week] HE SHALL CAUSE THE SACRIFICE AND THE OBLATION TO CEASE, and for the overspreading of abominations
  • Opoipirwoth Macmillan on Daniel 8
    Praise God! first and fore most I would like to appreciate all of us who actively participated in every comments we have been going through. Mind you, for those who have taken this page for granted the bible says in the book of Ecclesiastes 12:14 that" For God will bring every deed into judgment,with every secret thing, whether good or evil" and we should give account of each and every we deed to fellows or the Holy spirit! God bless you all in Jesus' name.
  • Word on Daniel 8
    From verse 23 and on we see the end time prophecy where the anti christ comes in and it's not what they preach in the churches these days because antichrist in Greek is instead of Christ and Satan shows up as a false messiah in peace as revelation 12 tells us he is kicked to earth to deceive the whole world.
  • Edward Palamar on Daniel 8
    We have entered the "age to come" foretold by Jesus in Mark 10:30.

    The final day of the 2,300 day period of Daniel 8:14 was December 29, 2018 A.D.
  • Nicole - in Reply on Daniel 8
    John 3:16 is such a powerful passage. It expresses God's true love for us. That love is called Agape. The best way I understand it is that GOD loves us so much that He gave Jesus, His only son, as a sacrifice so that we can be forgiven for our sin. Jesus' blood covers our sins.

    Imagine if you had a child and how much you would love them. You would want to keep them safe from hurt, harm, and danger. Well Jesus is God's son and He gave His son to cover our sins. If you are baptized, repent, believe that Jesus was raised from the grave on the 3rd day you are saved. Nothing will or can separate you from the love of God, nothing.
  • Daniel on Daniel 8
    What does 1 john 5:2 mean
  • Daniel on Daniel 8
    What does John 3:16 mean???
  • Barbara - in Reply on Daniel 8
    The Book of Revelation was written after the destruction of the Temple in 70AD, this book was especially written for the end times. How do you view the Book of Revelation then?
  • Moongold7 - in Reply on Daniel 8
    Incorrect. Antiochus Epiphanes is not the little horn of Daniel 8. When correct and thorough Bible study is applied, the identity of the Antichrist (little horn) reveals Papal Rome is the only power that fully fits this symbolism - Papal Rome took over control after Pagan Rome terminated. The Seventh-Day Adventists are correct in this interpretation, which is totally & historically confirmed. For a revealing study on the subject, highly recommend Bill Cave's interesting 3 part series (type in Bill Cave in YouTube's searchbar). You will however need to do his studies on Daniel 2, 7, 8 & 9 to get foundation for this further study. God bless!
  • Vanfanel on Daniel 8
    Notable horn Alexander. 4 horns four generals dividing his kingdom. Little horn Antiochus IV Epiphanes, who co-opted priests, banned sacrifices, defiled the Temple, leading to the Maccabean Revolt. As he was fighting another battle when it broke out, he turned back to quell it, but died suddenly of illness "without hand" on the way. Hanukkah celebrates the restoration of the temple afterward.
  • Royweston on Daniel 8
    Relax brothers and sisters. all the battles and death described in revelation took place at and around the destruction of the Jewish temple at Jerusalem in 70 a.d. the events described there are historic facts and have been recorded in ancient texts. the kingdom described in Daniels vision is already here in spiritual form all believers are part of it and will continue to expand over the earth.
  • Donald on Daniel 8
    The little horn that rises up after Alexander's Empire is broken up into Four kingdoms is Rome. The 2300 day/years of this vision is about Romes rise from 275 B.C. and its transformation into the Roman Catholic Church State, which is the one understanding dark sentences who will destroy the mighty (pagan Rome) and the holy (biblical Christianity). It is destroyed by God by 2026 A.D.
    2300 years.
  • Marlo on Daniel 8
    The continuation of the 10 horns or toes is explained in Revelation 13 and 17 by the uniting of their kingdom with the angel or beast that will ascend out of the bottomless pit. When mystery Babylon falls, will begin to culminate thfinal 42month reign of the 10 horns by this angel that was, and is not, yet is who will go into PERDITION.
  • Marlo on Daniel 8
    Just for what it is worth, the kingdoms of Grecia don't forget to include Africa into this receive their power from Satan. From the time of Christ til present day, satanic powers have been the ruling forces of the Western nation's.
  • Obbie Beal on Daniel 8
    verse 1-27 cover a lot of world-history / history of nations not taught to 99%; at that time even Daniel was astonished at the vision, yet he/we are directed to: " Understand, O son of man for at the time of the end shall be the vision ". Though 1-27 is like a puzzle (1000 pcs) to most in 2019, it directed us from the days of Daniel - 2019; having SALVATION through JESUS BLOOD is what matter.
  • BSP on Daniel 8
    Verse 15: Daniel was not content to just see the vision, but he was seeking to understand it. We can imitate him by not only knowing and being familiar with Scriptural teachings, but putting forth the effort to understand them.
  • Word on Daniel 8
    Kiowa its spiritual death and Satan as you will read going forward in Daniel comes as peacefully


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