Daniel Chapter 7 Discussion



 
  • Steve Schoenberger - in Reply on Daniel 7
    Ron

    you are struggling because you are placing yourself today in prophecy.

    Prophecy was suspended at the stoning of Stephen.

    Peter clearly was expecting the tribulation at any point.

    They had sold all their houses and land and were expecting the tribulation to start.

    God interrupted the prophecy program when he called Paul and revealed to him the mystery.

    Prophecy cannot start back up till this age of grace is over.

    The catching away of the body of Christ will initiate the prophetic clock to start back up.

    Daniels 70th week is the last week to be fulfilled.

    God's resumes his dealings with Israel at this point.

    The mixing of these 2 programs and the allegorical approach to Biblical interpretation is the cause of this confusion.

    Every date setter in history has been wrong.

    This is because they started looking at the Bible literally but also put themselves in prophecy.

    Paul is our Apostle in this age of Grace he calls mystery.

    Learn this and you will understand prophecy better than you ever have.

    Learn to rightly divide the Bible by Prophecy and Mystery not OT and NT.

    This is the literal approach to Bible study.
  • Ron Fidge on Daniel 7
    I am persuaded that Daniel seventh chapter is unfolding in front of us in this Year of 2022. Because, Daniel 8:17,when interpreted correctly States, "Oh Son of man for at the 'edge of time' the vision shall be. That is where we are today, very close to the end of time!(10yrs.?) Daniel's 7th chapter follows suit. "Four great beast rise up out of the sea, (of humanity). Dan.7:4, first is like a lion(USA), Eagles wings plucked,(our liberties are going). 2nd. A Bear, 'Russia' - "arise, devour (Destroy) much flesh", 'Today's war is the beginning of what Russia is to do, Vs.5.' Then Dan. 6&7, Leopard (China), also the only beast in Rev.13:1-5, A Leopard with Bear feet (USSR) & Lions mouth, USA= (Bill Gates?).
  • Roman - in Reply on Daniel 7
    Suze, I meant for this post to go in the general comment section.

    Now I guess you got to read it.....
  • Roman - in Reply on Daniel 7
    Revelation 10

    Is that you Elijah?

    vs 1 The angel with his right foot on the sea, and left foot on the earth is Jesus (mirroring the 2 beasts in Revelation 13, rising from sea & earth).

    vs 5-6 are paradoxical because Jesus says all creation comes from God, where we Christian's are sworn to saying that Jesus created all, John 10:30

    Revelation 10:5-6 And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven, 6 And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:

    vs 7 We are reminded that God has plans to end this age at the 7th trumpet.

    vs 8 Jesus gives the prophet the little book, the Word of God (Bible).

    vs 9-10 Since it's sweet in his mouth, then bitter in his belly, it must be before the 6th trumpet, day of the Lord, when life drastically changes.

    Revelation 10:11 And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings.

    vs 11 These aren't saints, but 1 person. This must be describing Elijah's appearance before the day of the Lord. Elijah is to preach the word of God, salvation, on the backdrop before it comes, Malachi 4:5
  • Suze - in Reply on Daniel 7
    Oooh I didn't know a lot of that , thankyou for the info . I did know that NATO had been warned time and time again that if they kept trying to expand in that area , that Putin would see that as very provocative and he would eventually loose patience . You are right about all the propaganda , we have enormous access to info now with the internet but we don't know anything anymore because there are so many lies being spouted by everyone . There's only one source of info that we can trust and that's God . Everything we need to know is in the Bible and if we are for Him then He is for us and we don't have too much to worry about . It's hard not to be affected by the awful scary things going on but we must stay strong in our faith and trust God implicitly , our God is The God and He is in charge .
  • Roman - in Reply on Daniel 7
    Suze,

    Be careful of the propaganda. The media lies per strategy, they are part of the problem. For starters in Ukraine, are you aware the US backed a $5 billion coup in early 2014? Then the US state dept, and Victoria Nuland installed Katzenburg as president. Katz started bombing Russian speaking, Donbass residents, and was the reason for Russia taking Crimea in referendum (after the coup). Russia invaded Ukraine to remove the Nazi's, to remove their US funded bio-labs, and to STOP the bloody 8 year war the Nazi Ukraine govt runs against the Russian speaking Donbass region. The biggest slap to Russia is the encroachment of NATO on Russian boarders, five times. Why didn't the US grant Russia security guarantees? Because the US MIC needs a war with Russia to get rich.

    The US wanted this conflict, they picked Russia as their enemy long ago. The Russian's are being delicate in Ukraine, moving at their own pace, not the TV's. They didn't do what the US would have done upon entering: cut power, cut internet, cut supply lines, and kill everyone in sight.

    If you ask me, it's the US that's always the troublemaker, who breaks treaties, treacherously spoils nations. Then denies it all, like Mystery Babylon does in the land of confusion. How bad can Putin be for doing what God told him to do: destroy Babylon. The anti-christ is a rock star politician, and undoubtedly, there's nobody like him. Putin is a hero for saving the world from America, and giving them every opportunity to play fair, but America would rather risk the abomination of desolation, to rule the world from Jerusalem.
  • Suze - in Reply on Daniel 7
    I think so too Roman , but it's always good to admit to ourselves that we could be wrong . I've just read that Putin is threatening to cut off the gas that he supplies to a lot of European countries , tomorrow . The European press is saying that he's being missinformed by his military but I think the west is softening us up to make him sound not so bad , so that they can agree terms with him . No , he's not really a bad guy with the largest proliferation of nuclear weapons , he's being mislead , we need his gas , let's make peace . Time will tell . Let's not be too scared though , Christ is coming .
  • Fred - in Reply on Daniel 7
    The Lord shall shout ,the 7 trumpets shall be heard across the nations. The moon shall no longer give light, for He shall lighten all nations, all the world! Then shall they glorify His power as they see his light, as it shines out of the west. They shall say confess that Zion and its gates shall not be prevailed against, for He has brought Her out of trouble. He has gone forward and bares not the sword in vain! These who will die will die in the sin and blood that He alone shall execute, leaving only the stain of the winepress that He alone shall trod. The stain He alone shall we see as His tunic shall be! Wake up all people of Zion the daughter of His only beloved ! Your redemption has arrived! Repent and be Baptized
  • Roman on Daniel 7
    Identifying the beast, the anti-christ of Daniel and Revelation as Russia:

    -In 1991 the USSR suffered a "deadly wound", which has healed into the Russian Federation, that the people will marvel at, Revelation 13:3

    -Russia is the little horn, rising up after the USSR received a deadly wound, emerging as the Russian Federation, Daniel 7:8

    -"Even he is the 8th and is of the 7". Russia was the 8th G8 member and is of the G7. & Russia, being the 8th member, leads a confederacy of 7 nations (from 10), Revelation 17:20

    -His look is "more stout than his fellows". Russia has 11 time zones, Daniel 7:20

    -He becomes strong with a small people. Russia's population has been stuck at 144 million for decades, Daniel 11:23

    -Even though God has always held back Gog (Russia), He will now bring him forth, with his northern army to destroy Israel, whole. Ezekiel 38:4
  • Cowboy on Daniel 7
    Donald Taylor

    In Daniel chapter 7 gives all of the beast the first beast Bible scholars would say this is Babylon. (do not believe them) Daniel was worried what would become of his people (the Israelites). So, God gave Daniel a vision of all the great events that would happen in the world up to the great day of judgement. Now I'm sure God didn't let Daniel put everything Daniel saw in his vision to words. But the first beast that Daniel saw in his vision was the United States (Eagle wings) coming a way from England (the lion).

    If you are a Christian stay prayed up and ready to go up and if not i ask you to become one of Gods people

    God bless

    cowboy
  • Donald Taylor on Daniel 7
    In v4 would the lion be a nation like the United States? I see clay as compared to freedom and iron being referred as a strong nation.
  • Jason on Daniel 7
    Trumpets 5,6 & 7 are separate from the others because they are for the last generation.

    Most everyone believes we are in the end-times, so can you put your finger on it, identify it in the time line? What events have occurred to reinforce the notion that we have entered the end of days?

    The 5th trumpet I identify with the attacks on 9-11-01, and the subsequent rush to battle. This attack officially put the world in tribulation, and stripped us of our freedoms. America and its Babylonian partners spent 20 years killing Muslims in the desert (no grass or green thing), who didn't have the seal of God in their foreheads ( Revelation 9:4).

    The US govt was drawing from ( Revelation 7), by highlighting 144,000, which is painfully obvious from 3 accounts.

    NYT Sept. 20, 2006 - Pentagon officials have said previously that the current level, about 144,000 troops, was likely to be maintained through the end of the year unless security improved.

    The Economic Times Aug 08, 2008 - The United States currently has about 144,000 troops in Iraq and 34,000 in Afghanistan.

    The Washington Institute June 15, 2007 - Rather than asking every American to sacrifice just a little in order to affect oil prices, Washington asked a few Americans -- 144,000 to be exact -- to make the ultimate sacrifice.

    Continued - President Bush promised the American public much, but he commissioned a mere 144,000 troops to carry the burden of what was meant to be one of the greatest transformative initiatives in the history of U.S. foreign policy.

    General Wesley Clark March 2007 - "We're Going to Take out 7 Countries in 5 Years: Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan & Iran.." The US mimics the beast's 6th trumpet attack during the 5th trumpet.

    -The US, after 3 towers were destroyed (their own property), planned to take 7 countries in 5 years ( Revelation 9:10).

    -anti-christ takes 3 horns (his own property), leaving 7 horns from 10 ( Daniel 7:20).

    More to come....
  • Jesse - in Reply on Daniel 7
    Jane,

    The entire chapter of Luke 21 is a section of scripture that deals with the preaching of Jesus in Jerusalem, which begins at Luke 19:28 and ends at Luke 21:38. Chapter 21 can be broken down into several parts as such:

    Luke 21:1-4 gives us the proper understanding of giving.

    Luke 21:5-9, the prophecy concerning the temple.

    Luke 21:10-19, the persecution against believers.

    Luke 21:20-28, the prophecies of judgment against Jerusalem.

    Luke 21:29-33, the parable of the fig tree.

    Luke 21:34-36, the precaution concerning the last days.

    Luke 21:37-38, the Passover week schedule.

    There is a lot of information in Luke Chapter 21. Is there a particular verse or verses you would like to have some clarification on?
  • Chris - in Reply on Daniel 7
    Thanks again Jesse for sharing that and I trust you had a very enjoyable & profitable camping trip.

    What you shared truly shook me. I was well aware of the moral & spiritual condition of the city of Corinth, with its temple to Aphrodite/Astarte & its many prostitutes (serving as priestesses) that served there but had no inkling that such deplorable things had made inroads into the Church. Indeed, the Church was in a bad shape which would have grieved the apostle immensely but to have to root out wickedness at that level, would have been formidable & agonizing to him.

    So I can see that those reasons you gave would have been sufficient for Paul to express chastity as a preference to marriage. For if it was persecution that was being hurled against the Church, I would think that such a Church in such a condition would have little to fear from the world, when the world was well & truly in the Church. Blessings brother.
  • Jesse - in Reply on Daniel 7
    James,

    As I'm sure you know, the account is given to us in Acts Chapter 28. Paul was taken prisoner in Rome and was put on house arrest. He had his own living quarters, and we find out at the end of Chapter 28 that he will be there for two years before they release him because he hasn't done anything wrong. But Paul would be recaptured a second time, and as tradition tells us, he will be taken outside of the city and beheaded by the Roman government.

    So Paul dwelt two whole years in his own hired, or rented house. Rome had to pay the expenses, not only of his trip but of his rented house. And he received all that came in to him, and he did two things: he preached the kingdom of God, and he taught those things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ.

    This was from morning until evening. And people were free to come and go, as Paul was allowed to have visitors. But Paul was chained to a guard the whole time. And people would be coming to him day and night listening to him speak. Can you just imagine this poor guard? He was going to hear Paul preach and teach whether he wanted to hear it or not!
  • Jesse - in Reply on Daniel 7
    Hi Chris,

    From what I gather, the believers in Corinth were facing a challenging time. The church in Corinth was very corrupt and Paul wrote 1 Corinthians to address the corruption that was in the church. It was pagan worship, and prostitution was part of the worship service and people brought their families. And this was a constant seven-day-a-week influence on that city.

    So now these people have received Christ, and they're gathering together as followers of Jesus after He has saved them, but they still have to live in this environment. They are in a community where this is all the people do, is participate in perversion and corruption as part of their worship.

    So they had a great struggle in the church there because a lot of the problems that they struggled with were in the church in Corinth. That may have been the "present distress" Paul spoke about?

    I wanted to touch on what Paul's reason may have been for saying that he wished all men were like him (Single) and that if they were to marry, that such would have trouble in the flesh.

    Paul says "Such will have trouble in the flesh." It's a fact of life! Whether a married couple loves each other or not, there's going to be trouble in the flesh. It seems from Verse 35 that the motive for Paul's teaching this way was so that our devotion to the Lord will be without distraction.

    Verses 32-33 seem to show the contrast between a married and single person's devotion to the Lord, where a single person, whether a man or woman, can be totally devoted to the Lord. But a married person no longer has the same amount of devotion because their concern is on pleasing their spouse. Paul doesn't say this is wrong. I believe it's a normal human response for someone who is married.

    I believe Paul was once married, although scripture does not specifically tell us. If he was, he would have experienced it both ways as far as devotion goes, possibly prompting him to say he wished all men were single such as himself.
  • S Spencer - in Reply on Daniel 7
    Hi cat,

    You're welcome to join in.
  • James EnglishP on Daniel 7
    Paul is taken to Rome where he is under house arrest, though still preaches the word of God. What happened to Paul afer that. ?
  • Cat on Daniel 7
    I'm to this where do I start. Would love to join Bible discussions.
  • Chris - in Reply on Daniel 7
    Page 2.

    In Revelation chapter 22, I see one part of the message completing in verse 15, with a new part beginning in verse 16. And this is the final appeal by Jesus, for all people who are alive & "athirst" (not those in Hell or consigned in judgement) to come & take of His Life-giving waters freely. Those unrepentant sinners & those consigned in judgement have no second chance, whether at death or at judgement ( Hebrews 9:27).

    I understand that you believe that the Lake of Fire is a judgement, however temporary until sinners come to the Truth. This would be a huge discussion to have, rather I would ask three questions: what was then the need for the Cross if hell was temporary?; and why the need to repent now before it's too late ( 2 Corinthians 6:2) & why the urging of Jesus & His apostles to put away sin & live accordingly in newness of mind & spirit, if eventually we all (saved now & unsaved) end up in 'Paradise'?

    If these things were not constantly before us as we read the Bible, we could then believe as you do, that there yet remains hope for the unrepentant in this life but who then repents in the next. This teaching I believe, is against God's Word & against Jesus' preaching that we have only this life to come to the Light & repent, for there remains no second chance to the sinner.
  • Chris - in Reply on Daniel 7
    Page 1.

    Dear Earl. I do understand your position about God's Judgement & the Lake of Fire, to which I'll refer to later. But to your question on Revelation 22:15 & then to Revelation 22:17.

    Revelation chapters 21 & 22 speak of the New Jerusalem coming out of Heaven. Revelation 21:8 speaks of those sinners (as described therein) who will have no part in this glorious City. And of course, this verse is linked to Revelation 22:15. So in chapter 21, we read that those 'sinners' "will have their part in the Lake of Fire" & therefore, those in chapter 22 must also refer to those same people. But the question: are those verses in conflict (i.e. are they either in the Lake of Fire or are they living out their lives outside the new City)?

    We know that this new City is prepared & brought down to the new Earth where no corruption exists nor can enter into, so what are we to make of this 'conflict'? If as you believe, that these sinners outside the City are the ones to be invited to "take of the water of life freely", then this new Earth is no longer pure & holy, as sinners also live on it. However, if Rev 22:14,15 does NOT refer to sinners sitting outside the City, peering in or longing to enter in, but rather being altogether outside the City, in Hell fire, then we have compatibility with these verses in both chapters. In Greek, the word for 'outside' ('exo') allows for being both outside of an area (e.g. Mark 3:31) or completely separated from an area (e.g. Mark 4:11). So, given Rev 21:8, one has to believe that these sinners are not waiting outside the gates, rather, they're excluded from both the City & the Earth, outside the Mercy of God, in judgement.
  • Jesse - in Reply on Daniel 7
    Hi Chris,

    You brought a couple things to my mind that I would like to share. Mainly why I think Paul had wished that men were single like him. I am out on a camping trip for the weekend but will respond back on Monday.

    God bless!
  • Earl Bowman - in Reply on Daniel 7
    Brother Chris, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and His understanding.

    In your reply on Revelation 22 you stated that the anti-christ and those who the Father's name was not in their forehead perished in the lake or fire.

    My question is who are the ones verse 15 is speaking of and aren't they the ones verse 17 is inviting to come drink of the waters of life.

    Could it possibly be the lake of fire is is ONLY JUDGEMENT and when they have come to truth; they also will be IN CHRIST.

    Proverbs 16:1-7
  • Trip - in Reply on Daniel 7
    Because it belongs there.
  • Thereisagulf - in Reply on Daniel 7
    Amen, brother Chris.
  • Chris - in Reply on Daniel 7
    Revelation chapter 22 was part of the vision that the risen Christ, by His Angel, gave to His beloved servant John. To not give His Message in chapter 22 or for John to leave it out, would not make this final Book of prophecy the complete Word of God, to which no more could be added.

    Just to note verse 4: "And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads." What a wonderful expectant time that will be to all who are the redeemed of the Lord: to be with the Father & the Son in the New Jerusalem, having His Name inscribed on our foreheads, instead of the many perishing in the Lake of Fire with the Antichrist's Name placed on theirs.
  • Chris - in Reply on Daniel 7
    Thanks Jesse, that was very interesting to read - never considered that possibility. Just wanted to add verses 26 & 28 for further thought: Paul spoke about "the present distress" and "such shall have trouble in the flesh".

    I wonder whether the believers in Corinth were facing a particularly challenging time to their faith &/or their lives, which prompted Paul to strongly advise them to take away their focus on becoming a couple or a family & attend to what was happening around them (whatever that might have been). Again, only guesses on our part.
  • Jesse - in Reply on Daniel 7
    1 Corinthians 7:7 says "For I would that all men were even as I myself. But every man hath his proper gift of God, one after this manner, and another after that."



    So Paul says I wish that all men were even as I myself.



    Paul was not married at that time even though he probably was married at one time. The reason was that he was a member of the Sanhedrin when persecution broke out against the early church, and one of the requirements for being in the Sanhedrin is that the person be married.



    So Paul's wife had either passed away or she divorced him because of his conversion. Whatever the case may be, we don't know. But he says I'm single, and I wished, not commanding, but I wished that everybody was as I myself.
  • George on Daniel 7
    Was Paul married

    why was Rev 22 15 put in the Bible
  • Marco on Daniel 7:25
    Apostle Paul explains the best teaching as it pertains to the Sabbath in Hebrews 4. The Sabbath in Genesis 7 is prophetic and must be stied with Revelation 10:7. The Sabbath given unto the children of Israel was codified into the Law of Moses. The Messiah, our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ showed forth how to keep the Sabbath, doing the work of God. Daniel 7:25 is the 4th kingdom upon the earth which is Rome/Europe.


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