Daniel Chapter 12 Discussion

  • Ronald Whittemore - In Reply on Daniel 12 - 11 months ago
    Hi Michaelstephen,

    I agree when we die this life is over, we are no longer in the time we live in, minutes, hours, days, and years for there is no knowledge in death. That is why death in the Bible is called sleep, Psalms 13:3 Daniel 12:2. It is like when we go to sleep we do not have any knowledge of time or what is going on around us. When we die it is like we go to sleep and the next thing we know is when we are resurrected, we awake from death, whether it is a day, or thousands of years.

    God bless.

  • Michaelstephen on Daniel 12 - 11 months ago
    Once we die our spirit is no longer confined to time as we understand it. God is outside of timeonce our earthly body dies, our consciousness is immediately outside of time with the Lord. We aren't waiting for our children to grow old and come be with us, those of our loved ones who go on living after we die will be with us at that instant. It's a hard concept to comprehend because we are so aware of "time" in this lifewe obsess over it, but the moment we leave this mortal plane and enter eternity, "time" will no longer exist as we perceive it now. Our bodies sleeping in the graves is from the point of view of those who are still living on this side of eternity. That's the way I understand it
  • Ronald Whittemore - In Reply on Daniel 12 - 1 year ago
    Hi Giannis,

    Thanks, that would be great. I await the findings of your study.

    God bless,

  • Giannis - In Reply on Daniel 12 - 1 year ago
    Hello Ronald

    Never mind about grk philosophy, no worry.

    I want to do a study about that "spirit of life" that God breathed in Adam and I will come back to this conversation later on.

    It is possible that it actually means the Spirit of God or it means that the Spirit of God created life in Adam. Anyway I will leave it for now. GBU
  • Ronald Whittemore - In Reply on Daniel 12 - 1 year ago
    Hi Giannis,

    Thanks, brother, I hope you did not take Greek Philosophy personally. I understand the Hebrew word nephesh, it can be any being, dog, cat, or cow. It can also mean a soul, a living being, a dead being, life, self, person, desire, passion, appetite, and emotion, basically who we are. When I said the spirit of life, I did not mean it had anything to do with the Spirit of God, sorry for the misunderstanding. I meant spirit/breath as the word neshamah used in Job 27:3.

    I understand our being or soul is the same thing it is who we are and who will someday be with Jesus and see God's face. But that day is the day of redemption, Ephesians 4:30. In Scripture in death there is no remembrance of us, Psalm 6:5. In death we lie down until, Job 14:12-14 the grave is our house and our bed Job 17:13-16.

    We will see death and the grave and our soul will be there Psalm 89:48 and this Ecclesiastes 9:5-10. I know our understanding may be different, but I do not see in Scripture where we or any part of us is immortal until resurrection day 1 Cor. 15:52-53 we will be raised from the grave, us, our soul/being, who we are.

    The definition of death is the separation of the soul from the body I do not see in Scripture. It does say there is no knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, death, Ecclesiastes 9:10. I do not see that has changed. I know many understand as you and I hope you take this as just a little of where my understanding comes from, for it does not affect salvation.

    The way I see it, we are waiting for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with His reward of eternal life, either we will be alive or asleep in the grave.

    God bless,

  • Ronald Whittemore - In Reply on Daniel 12 - 1 year ago
    Hi Jema,

    Thank you, it is a hard subject to discuss because the different understandings of the soul, spirit, and resurrection are so different.

    God bless,

  • Jema - In Reply on Daniel 12 - 1 year ago
    Thankyou so much Ronald , that was so well explained , I knew that and agree with everything you said but I could not have explained it as plainly and clearly as you just did :) .
  • Giannis - In Reply on Daniel 12 - 1 year ago
    Hello Ronald

    I have visited some Hebrew sites to see how Hebrews understand the verse in Genesis 2:7, ""And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul."

    1. Living soul. It is always interpreted as "living being". In Bible (in both Hebrew and Greek) the word soul apart from meaning actually a soul it oftens means "person", "life", "being". In Gen 2:7 it means "being"

    2. The breath of life does not mean the Spirit of God. It just shows an action from God that made man alive and that life is shown by breathing.

    3. The phrase "breathed into his nostrlis" is always written as "blowing into his nostrils'. In the Septuagint it is almost the same, " And God blowed to his face the blow of life, and man became a living soul (which again is interpreted as "being").

    So the whole verse in Gen 2:7 has nothing to do with Spirits and souls. It just talks about the material side of man, soil from the earth that God gave it life.

  • Ronald Whittemore - In Reply on Daniel 12 - 1 year ago
    Hi Ashleyreagen44,

    I agree with Adam, as we see in Genesis 2:7 that when God breathed into the nostrils of Adam the breath of life he became a living soul. When this spirit of life that is given by God leaves us, we are no longer a living soul. Ecclesiastes 12:7 the spirit goes back to God who gave it, that is for all people, saved or not saved.

    We cannot live without the spirit, our breath as James 2:26 said without it our body is dead. When we stop breathing and that spirit goes back to God, we are no longer a living soul, as Jesus said on the cross, I commend my spirit, His breath then He died. Jesus did not go to heaven He went to the tomb/grave the same as we will. Jesus did not ascend to heaven until after He was resurrected, John 20:17.

    My understanding is the confusion comes from Greek Philosophy, the meaning of death, Hades, and the immortality of the soul that merged into the Church with Augustine with the teaching on human nature and the afterlife to Greek philosophies.

    Daniel 12:2 is the same as John 5:28-29 that we see in Revelation 20:11-15, the sheep and the goats, we see the last enemy cast into the lake of fire death, and hell/grave. My understanding of Scripture we are mortal, and our breath/spirit goes back to God and our soul no longer lives but is asleep in the grave until we are resurrected from the grave. This body is not what is resurrected it is our soul into our new body, and that is when we will be absent from this body, 1 Cor. 15:42-58.

    Can I tell someone who thinks their loved one is in heaven their wrong? No, that would be hurtful. If they ask for my understanding, this is what Scripture says to me.

    God bless,

  • Adam - In Reply on Daniel 12 - 1 year ago
    That's not the only place the Bible says people will sleep to await Jesus's return. Here are more...

    Job 14:12, 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18, 1 Corinthians 15:18-20, Matthew 9:24.
  • Ashleyreagen44 on Daniel 12 - 1 year ago
    I was always under the assumption that when saved Christians die, they go to Heaven immediately. Daniel 12:2 has somewhat perplexed me. Do people just "sleep" in their graves until Christ's Second Coming? Or are they waiting in Heaven for us? Please help me understand.
  • Shandrika Autrey on Daniel 12 - 1 year ago
    No, I would love to have one
  • Nancy on Daniel 12 - 1 year ago
    I would like the last part of verse 11 chapter 12 explained. Ihank you
  • GiGi - In Reply on Daniel 12 - 2 years ago
    Hello Bruce, Nice to meet you.

    I looked up Beth Togarmah on several maps. It seems that the people of Togarmah originally settled in southern turkey above Syria. then later maps show Togarmah in northern Turkey just south of the Black Sea. And other maps show Togarmah between the Black and Caspian Seas in the Caucasus Mountain area. So, in these modern times, perhaps the people of Togarmah are still in the Caucasus area or maybe they migrated farther north, as Ezekiel 38 seems to imply.
  • Mishael - In Reply on Daniel 12 - 2 years ago
    I go on Google and type in:

    Ancient maps of Israel, and then type the name of places you are trying to locate.

    If it's not in Israel, type Palestine.
  • Bruce VanderHaagen on Daniel 12 - 2 years ago
    Who or where is Beth Togarmah where is this place referring to in Eze 38 : 6.
  • Denise - In Reply on Daniel 12 - 2 years ago
    dear mishael, i only read the King James Bible!

    thank you for your reply to my message!!!

    May the Lord Jesus bless you at this Christmas season and all

    through your life!!

    On that great day of the Lord's second coming , we will see who will triumph

    over this world and Eden , we will live in forever!!!!

    He who is faithful and true said so in His word!!!!!

    Thank you again!!!
  • Mishael - In Reply on Daniel 12 - 2 years ago
    You might enjoy a website called ; GEVTE

  • Denise on Daniel 12 - 2 years ago
    In verse 11 states there will be 1290 days then in verse 12 states 1335 days , so 1335 days from 1290 days equals 45 extra days! For what are the extra 45 days for?? Repenting of our sins to the Lord Jesus? Coming to the full knowledge in heart mind and soul that Jesus Christ is God in the flesh!We as believers know who He is!! Giving sinners extra time of this evil generation to come to the true reality? Jesus Christ wants all men to repent to Him!! Praise and Glory to the King of Kings and Lord of Lords!!!!! Amen!
  • Darrell Fortino on Daniel 12 - 2 years ago
    After the Apostle John was caught up in Heaven in the Spirit the Angel told him eat this little book and in your mouth it will be as sweet as honey and in your belly it will be bitter John the Apostle was going to write down and the Lord said do it not for you must prophesy before many people and tongues he died on Patmos // my question is when do you think John the Apostle will prophesied what was in the little book, not yet happened I know its not the two witnesses that that prophesied during the last part of tribulation which I believe is Moses and Elijah. thank you very much
  • Emma on Daniel 12 - 2 years ago
    "And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days."

    What exactly does this mean? What is the daily sacrifice?
  • Cristina Scheeler - In Reply on Daniel 12 - 2 years ago
    A good website to go to would be, Bible study tools. Although, they have different versions, (please be careful, only stand on KJV) they have a whole list of different commentaries
  • Mishael - In Reply on Daniel 12 - 2 years ago
    I agree with that Spencer.
  • USE OF GOOGLE COMMENTARIES - In Reply on Daniel 12 - 2 years ago
    Go on Google

    Type in your scripture

    Type a comma , COMMENTARIES



    Then type HISTORY or TEACHING

    You'll see many commentaries by different teachers, preachers and scholars. Compare the meaning of the scripture with what the Commentary says. Choose one that is close.
  • Jesse - In Reply on Daniel 12 - 2 years ago

    I forgot to mention that the Logos Bible app has a search box. I just typed in commentaries, and it came up with 55 commentaries, all full books!
  • Jesse - In Reply on Daniel 12 - 2 years ago

    I concur with Brother Chris on Bible Hub. I have it on my phone. You can download it for free from the app store. I have a few other free apps on my phone. Since we carry our phones everywhere we go, we can have access to the bible and many other study resources at any time. I love Bible Hub, but I think my most favorite free app that I have on my phone is one called Logos Bible. It has a library of over 300 full books, all free, bibles, commentaries, dictionaries, lexicons, and several other study tools. You may want to check that one out too!
  • Chris - In Reply on Daniel 12 - 2 years ago
    Hi Jerry. If you're looking for an 'all-in-one' website, I would highly recommend Bible Hub. It has many whole Bible commentaries & especially Hebrew & Greek translations/interlinear, which I use often. Of the commentators listed there, I recommend Benson, Poole, Ellicott. The Lord bless & guide you in the study of his precious Word.
  • S Spencer - In Reply on Daniel 12 - 2 years ago
    Hi Jerry.

    J vernon mcgee. Has a Good Commentary if that's what you are looking for.

    I hope that helps.

    God bless
  • Dianne - In Reply on Daniel 12 - 2 years ago
    Jerry Never saw first posting don't know what I'm replying to sir.
  • Jerry Donald Stoller on Daniel 12 - 2 years ago
    Does anyone have a suggestion on a Commentary other than Matthew Henry ?.Would like to have three or more Commentaries to compare and get a singleness of thought..

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