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Hey Tom, I'm not sure of the reward you say for obedience but here's a few of my thoughts and some scripture, in respect to all who have replied.
1John.2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
John 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.
2 Corinthians 11:4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.
John 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
1 Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
Jesus called His Father His God. No one can deny the divinity of Jesus, the demons in scripture even knew who he was "the Son of the Most High". The Son was with the Father before the world because through the Son all was created. There is not any scripture that says how the Son began only He was the beginning of creation. The word Godhead is in the Bible 3 times "theots" meaning deity, divinity, "Theion" meaning Devine Being, both can be said of God and the Son of God without saying they are both God.
Jesus did the work the father sent him to do , undeniable, so is there reward for doing good in obedience to the father ? Yes of course . Did he earn it ? Yes of course his reward that is .
A few verses I read this morning as I opened the bible at random .
Malachi 2.10 Have we not all one father ? Hath not one God created us ? ....
Malachi 3 . 6
For I am the Lord , I change not ; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed .
These verses certainly apply today , as sure as the Lord is whom he says He is !
I Bow to the Great I am and his son the Lord Jesus ! His word endures for ever ! Amen ...
Jesus is quite worthy of praise, honor, and glory. I think we would both agree to that. However, I'm not too sure that Jesus had to earn His position. I don't believe scripture backs up the idea of Christ having to earn anything. How the creator of the entire universe would have to earn His position would be hard for me to grasp.
I'm sure that sounds silly because the scripture is clear he has no beginning,
How do you define a father and son relationship "Biologically"?
No doubt the father existed before his son, there's not way we can comprehend any other way, this is natural!
Now do we view God the father and Christ the son in the same biological way? NO! and that's unnatural.
God "IS" Everlasting and Jesus came out of the bosom of Everlasting.
When you make your argument you make it from an biological/natural point of view when their relationship is not biological or natural.
When you see father and son you comprehend that from the creatures stand point.
But when you see Jesus mentions the Father and son he says me and the father are One and if you seen me you seen the father, He says that from the Duel Creator standpoint
You're trying to grasp that Biologically but you can't because Father AND the Son is Everlasting!
Apart from what's given from that,
is what the scripture says directly.
Isaiah 9:6. The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Revelation 1:8. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, (the Almighty) "Look up the all mighty in the greek"
Malachi 2:17. Ye have wearied the LORD with your words. Yet ye say, Wherein have we wearied him? When ye say, Every one that doeth evil is good in the sight of the LORD, and he delighteth in them; or, Where is the God of judgment?
Malachi 3:1. Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts.
YOU CANT LOOK THE OTHER WAY AS IF THESE VERSES DON'T EXIST. YOU HAVE TO CONSIDER THEM.
There were Christian believers from times past that left this confession of faith in 1632.
"We also believe and confess that before His ascension, He instituted His New Testament, and, since it was to be and remain an eternal Testament, that, He confirmed and sealed the same with His precious blood, and gave and left it to His disciples, yea, charged them so highly with it, that neither angel nor man may alter it, nor add to it, nor take away from it; and that He has caused the same, as containing the whole counsel and will of His heavenly Father, as necessary for salvation, to be proclaimed in His name by His beloved apostles, messengers, and ministers- whom He called, chose, and sent into all the world for that purpose- among all peoples, nations, and tongues, and repentance and remission of sins to be preached and testified of; and that he accordingly has therein declared all men without distinction, who through faith, as obedient children, heed, follow, and practice what the same contains, to be His children, and lawful heirs; this excluding no one from the precious inheritance of eternal salvation, except for the un-believing, and disobedient, the stiff-necked and obdurate, who despise it, and incur this through their own sins, thus making themselves unworthy of eternal life." Jeremiah 31:31Hebrews 9:15-17Matthew 26:28Galatians 1:81 Timothy 6:3
Yes Jesus inherited from the father as an obedient first son .
Not only was Jesus born of the father , but he earned the position by his completing the work The father sent him to do !
Jesus is so worthy of his highest position as Lord of lords and king of kings ! Awesome !! And only he could have done it , all the glory to God whom made it possible. We can only scratch the surface of this immeasurable work of salvation that was Gods plan and Jesus wonderful accomplishment. Thanks for the thoughts on this worthy subject , PTL ! When we can comprehend some of this it should cause us to worship , and never stop , so worth pondering dear reader .
Tom ,im with you there and despite what you might read on here ,we are not alone ,stay strong and joyfull in Christ ,the Son of God and our sinless redeemer ,Christ is coming !
Hello Tom, So true there are very many Scriptures where God communicates with His people His will and he refers to Himself as the Lord and God singularly to them and stands before their enemies and says the same. God here reveals two truths He loves His people in the flesh and He is Holy and not approachable by man in the flesh. Yet He wants to lead them by the law to repentance in His Son revealed by the prophets, later as a babe, then as His beloved Son, and finally as a crucified Savior. This aspect of God is his Mercy which is Jesus Christ. This part of God covered the law where God could approach man in the flesh and even after Calvary dwell in His people in the flesh as the Holy Ghost, another aspect of God. Three parts of God and three stages of salvation which is life everlasting.
Yes, there is one God, I agree. And He is unchanging, I agree. I also know that Jesus Christ is the HUIOS, the inheritor of all things from the Father, and Jesus is the head over all things to the church as given to us in Ephesians 1:22. Once Christ ascended up into His position, all things are now put under the feet of Christ, and all must answer to Christ. Now concerning His headship, it says "And gave Him to be the head over all things with respect to the church."
So it is right to say that God is head over all, and that Jesus Christ is head over all because Jesus Christ is the Huios of God, the one who was in position to inherit all things from the Father. And Jesus is now the head over all things because He is God the Son, and the Son has inherited all things from the Father!
Adam read the Old Testament when God the I am that I spoke often about how He is God alone . Many times throughout . You must keep that in context when reading the New Testament or you will be confused , it seems to contradict in the new , but God never changes . That we know for certain .
Thank you for the scriptures brother Adam, here at work I could only think of verses which are confirmed by the Comforter in our hearts, even this day.
Although it is very easy to twist the scriptures from our English bibles because English is a very general language and very easy to twist, a person who speaks of a Godhead is not twisting scripture at all. In our English bible, there are many words that have multiple meanings, and that's why we often debate and have disagreements on what the English text actually is saying. We have to keep in mind that what we are reading in our English text is a translation from Greek.
As you say, the word "Godhead" is not found in the bible, at least not in our English bible. But I would argue that Godhead is found in the bible. It is found three times in the King James.
Acts 17:29 says, "Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the THEIOS (English translation=GODHEAD) is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.
Romans 1:20 says, "For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and THEIOTES (GODHEAD); so that they are without excuse:
Colossians 2:9 says, "For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the THEOTES (GODHEAD) bodily.
So Godhead is found in the scripture. It's in these three places I just shared with you.
1 John 5:7 "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."
Luke 1:35 "And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God."
John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
John 15:26 "But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:"
1 John 5:8 "And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one."
1 John 5:10 "He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son."
1 John 5:11 "And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son."
Jesus is the image of the invisible God . God is spirit and can not be seen , so Jesus is Gods representative in flesh , the same as God because Jesus is Gods son . Yet in flesh and an image of God .
Yet God remains who he always was and is invisible and Spirit .
So we have 2 identities. Both identical as God but one is father and the other is son . One in God but 2 in identities. God was never in flesh until Jesus . It's really simple but so much confusion on it .
Colossians 1:25-29 Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is GIVEN TO ME FOR YOU, to fulfil the word of God;
(vs 26) Even the MYSTERY which hath been HID from the ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:
(vs 27) To whom (the saints) God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this MYSTERY among the gentiles; which is CHRIST IN YOU, the hope of glory:
(vs 28) Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:
(vs 29) Whereunto I also labour, striving according to his (CHRIST IN YOU) working, which (CHRIST IN YOU) worketh in me mightly.
Revelation 2:26-27 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my (CHRIST IN YOU) works unto the end, to him will I give him power over the nations:
1 Corinthians 15:28 And when ALL (creation) thing shall be subdued unto him (CHRIST), then shall the SON also himself be subject to him (FATHER) that put All (creation) things under him, that God (CHRIST) may be ALL (CHRIST IN YOU) in ALL (CHRIST IN YOU).
Romans 8:19-21 For the earnest expectation of the creature (creation) waiteth for the MANIFESTATION OF THE SONS OF GOD.
(vs 21) Because the creature (creation) itself shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption (the grave) into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
Psalms 122:5 For there are set thrones of judgement, the thrones of the house of David.
Revelation 20:4 And I say thrones, and they that sat upon them, and judgement was given unto them.....
Luke 22:30 That you may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and set on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
Anyone in Christ ought to capitalize on grace, it's sad not to hear the church talk on grace yet the epistles on all their salutations made reference to grace.As the church we need to wake up and follow this trajectory of grace, there is something the Apostles knew on grace the modern church doesn't know.
To Raina 10yrs ago Jesus loves everyone sin or no sin
But He hates our Sins:::::we as Christians should pray for Everyone.....yes even the one that just stab u in the back
Praying helps us to Strength our faith N our Christian walk n the more we pray is the closer we will get to theFather through The Son Jesus Christ::::for give n you shall be forgiven says The word of God
Bottom line never stop praying. The more prayers We send up the more Blessings will come down
Are yoU saying that this is why the world an people are so messed up,,, an don't know which way to turn ,,,,,Say a five year old little girl already dealing with thinking she should be a boy so much so she wants a boys haircut an feels happy that way.. this world is a mess ,
We must be thankful and grateful for the understanding its not something we want to underestimate. God created our belief. Little children you are from God and have overcome them, for he who is in you is greater than he that is in the world. 1 John 4.4. The devil attempts to remove that blessing through sin and being human this still occurs. The greater our relationship with God the less we sin, the more blessed our lives will be. The easier the trials and test of this present evil world are too bear. Happy feast of tabernacles 2020 we ever you are around the World.
Can you give a little more clarity?
" can a Christian be come a chief."
Thanks and God bless.
Please my question is that can a Christian be come a chief.
If anyone's Jesus is not the Jesus of the Bible then they might as well be praying to a rock .
Jesus is inherently God , and Gods son .
I hope this helps .
It's all in the Bible to those that have ears !
1John.2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
John 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.
2 Corinthians 11:4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.
John 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
1 Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
Jesus called His Father His God. No one can deny the divinity of Jesus, the demons in scripture even knew who he was "the Son of the Most High". The Son was with the Father before the world because through the Son all was created. There is not any scripture that says how the Son began only He was the beginning of creation. The word Godhead is in the Bible 3 times "theots" meaning deity, divinity, "Theion" meaning Devine Being, both can be said of God and the Son of God without saying they are both God.
God bless us, Ron
A few verses I read this morning as I opened the bible at random .
Malachi 2.10 Have we not all one father ? Hath not one God created us ? ....
Malachi 3 . 6
For I am the Lord , I change not ; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed .
These verses certainly apply today , as sure as the Lord is whom he says He is !
I Bow to the Great I am and his son the Lord Jesus ! His word endures for ever ! Amen ...
Jesus is quite worthy of praise, honor, and glory. I think we would both agree to that. However, I'm not too sure that Jesus had to earn His position. I don't believe scripture backs up the idea of Christ having to earn anything. How the creator of the entire universe would have to earn His position would be hard for me to grasp.
Thank you also for sharing your thoughts!
Do you mind If I humor you abit?
Do Christ have an actual birthday?
I'm sure that sounds silly because the scripture is clear he has no beginning,
How do you define a father and son relationship "Biologically"?
No doubt the father existed before his son, there's not way we can comprehend any other way, this is natural!
Now do we view God the father and Christ the son in the same biological way? NO! and that's unnatural.
God "IS" Everlasting and Jesus came out of the bosom of Everlasting.
When you make your argument you make it from an biological/natural point of view when their relationship is not biological or natural.
When you see father and son you comprehend that from the creatures stand point.
But when you see Jesus mentions the Father and son he says me and the father are One and if you seen me you seen the father, He says that from the Duel Creator standpoint
You're trying to grasp that Biologically but you can't because Father AND the Son is Everlasting!
Apart from what's given from that,
is what the scripture says directly.
Isaiah 9:6. The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Revelation 1:8. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, (the Almighty) "Look up the all mighty in the greek"
Malachi 2:17. Ye have wearied the LORD with your words. Yet ye say, Wherein have we wearied him? When ye say, Every one that doeth evil is good in the sight of the LORD, and he delighteth in them; or, Where is the God of judgment?
Malachi 3:1. Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts.
YOU CANT LOOK THE OTHER WAY AS IF THESE VERSES DON'T EXIST. YOU HAVE TO CONSIDER THEM.
TELL ME HOW DO YOU INTERPRET THEM???
AND THERE IS MANY MORE.
"We also believe and confess that before His ascension, He instituted His New Testament, and, since it was to be and remain an eternal Testament, that, He confirmed and sealed the same with His precious blood, and gave and left it to His disciples, yea, charged them so highly with it, that neither angel nor man may alter it, nor add to it, nor take away from it; and that He has caused the same, as containing the whole counsel and will of His heavenly Father, as necessary for salvation, to be proclaimed in His name by His beloved apostles, messengers, and ministers- whom He called, chose, and sent into all the world for that purpose- among all peoples, nations, and tongues, and repentance and remission of sins to be preached and testified of; and that he accordingly has therein declared all men without distinction, who through faith, as obedient children, heed, follow, and practice what the same contains, to be His children, and lawful heirs; this excluding no one from the precious inheritance of eternal salvation, except for the un-believing, and disobedient, the stiff-necked and obdurate, who despise it, and incur this through their own sins, thus making themselves unworthy of eternal life." Jeremiah 31:31 Hebrews 9:15-17 Matthew 26:28 Galatians 1:8 1 Timothy 6:3
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Not only was Jesus born of the father , but he earned the position by his completing the work The father sent him to do !
Jesus is so worthy of his highest position as Lord of lords and king of kings ! Awesome !! And only he could have done it , all the glory to God whom made it possible. We can only scratch the surface of this immeasurable work of salvation that was Gods plan and Jesus wonderful accomplishment. Thanks for the thoughts on this worthy subject , PTL ! When we can comprehend some of this it should cause us to worship , and never stop , so worth pondering dear reader .
Yes, there is one God, I agree. And He is unchanging, I agree. I also know that Jesus Christ is the HUIOS, the inheritor of all things from the Father, and Jesus is the head over all things to the church as given to us in Ephesians 1:22. Once Christ ascended up into His position, all things are now put under the feet of Christ, and all must answer to Christ. Now concerning His headship, it says "And gave Him to be the head over all things with respect to the church."
So it is right to say that God is head over all, and that Jesus Christ is head over all because Jesus Christ is the Huios of God, the one who was in position to inherit all things from the Father. And Jesus is now the head over all things because He is God the Son, and the Son has inherited all things from the Father!
:)
Keep the faith!
Although it is very easy to twist the scriptures from our English bibles because English is a very general language and very easy to twist, a person who speaks of a Godhead is not twisting scripture at all. In our English bible, there are many words that have multiple meanings, and that's why we often debate and have disagreements on what the English text actually is saying. We have to keep in mind that what we are reading in our English text is a translation from Greek.
As you say, the word "Godhead" is not found in the bible, at least not in our English bible. But I would argue that Godhead is found in the bible. It is found three times in the King James.
Acts 17:29 says, "Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the THEIOS (English translation=GODHEAD) is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.
Romans 1:20 says, "For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and THEIOTES (GODHEAD); so that they are without excuse:
Colossians 2:9 says, "For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the THEOTES (GODHEAD) bodily.
So Godhead is found in the scripture. It's in these three places I just shared with you.
Luke 1:35 "And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God."
John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
John 15:26 "But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:"
1 John 5:8 "And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one."
1 John 5:10 "He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son."
1 John 5:11 "And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son."
So God has only 1 head seems man is the proof of that .
The Holy is certainly God but a Godhead is not found in the bible , unless scriptures are twisted .
:)
Yet God remains who he always was and is invisible and Spirit .
So we have 2 identities. Both identical as God but one is father and the other is son . One in God but 2 in identities. God was never in flesh until Jesus . It's really simple but so much confusion on it .
It's a father and son .
Colossians 1:25-29 Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is GIVEN TO ME FOR YOU, to fulfil the word of God;
(vs 26) Even the MYSTERY which hath been HID from the ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:
(vs 27) To whom (the saints) God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this MYSTERY among the gentiles; which is CHRIST IN YOU, the hope of glory:
(vs 28) Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:
(vs 29) Whereunto I also labour, striving according to his (CHRIST IN YOU) working, which (CHRIST IN YOU) worketh in me mightly.
Revelation 2:26-27 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my (CHRIST IN YOU) works unto the end, to him will I give him power over the nations:
1 Corinthians 15:28 And when ALL (creation) thing shall be subdued unto him (CHRIST), then shall the SON also himself be subject to him (FATHER) that put All (creation) things under him, that God (CHRIST) may be ALL (CHRIST IN YOU) in ALL (CHRIST IN YOU).
Romans 8:19-21 For the earnest expectation of the creature (creation) waiteth for the MANIFESTATION OF THE SONS OF GOD.
(vs 21) Because the creature (creation) itself shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption (the grave) into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
Psalms 122:5 For there are set thrones of judgement, the thrones of the house of David.
Revelation 20:4 And I say thrones, and they that sat upon them, and judgement was given unto them.....
Luke 22:30 That you may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and set on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
CHRIST IN YOU THE HOPE OF GLORY
But He hates our Sins:::::we as Christians should pray for Everyone.....yes even the one that just stab u in the back
Praying helps us to Strength our faith N our Christian walk n the more we pray is the closer we will get to theFather through The Son Jesus Christ::::for give n you shall be forgiven says The word of God
Bottom line never stop praying. The more prayers We send up the more Blessings will come down
Keep praying n seeking Friends.....Be Blessed
Perhaps I'm way off point but this is troubling.