Colossians Chapter 1 Discussion

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  • Joshua for verse 15
    God said(through the speaker) right here: " He, Jesus Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:" What is confusing about that? Listen to John chapter 1 again. "In the beginning was the Word Jesus , and the Word Jesus was with God, and the Word Jesus was God." -John 1:1
    If we think something in God's words contradicts something else He has said, it's always WE who are wrong.
    My 3rd Response, Joshua. In Isaiah 53 Jesus is called, "The Eternal Father, The Mighty God." Again, JW focus on "Mighty" as not equal to Almighty, making Jesus inferior. They won't deal with "Eternal Father". They don't know what to do with it. But Jesus is the Eternal Father, John 14:7-9:

    "If you had known Me, you would know My Father as well. From now on you do know Him and have seen Him." Philip said to Him, "Lord, show us the Father, and that will be enough for us." Jesus replied, "Philip, I have been with you all this time, and still you do not know Me? Anyone who has seen Me has seen the Father. How can you say, 'Show us the Father'?"

    Jesus is Human and Devine. Not angelic.
  • Joshua
    I appreciate your well thought out reply Carlos. Your conclusion made me think this of this verse: 1 John 5:7 'For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word(Jesus), and the Holy Ghost: AND THESE THREE ARE ONE.' It seems to me that you didn't need any theology to reach your conclusion. The answers were in God's Word, as they always are!
    Following on my 1st response, Joshua. The JW also point out that Christ is a "a Son", John 3:16, 1 John 4:10. They see Him as a created being Hebrews 2:17. But they miss the point. Philippians 2:9 says Jesus was exalted, elevated to a higher position, promoted. But do these all miss the meaning of what is said? Is there a difference between Jesus the Son of Man, and Christ the Eternal Preexisting God, Creator of all things, Colossians 1:16.

    It is that distinction that many fail to see. The Coptic Manuscript should not be taken on its own. It might be the oldest, but that doesn't mean it is correct. Taken in context is is clear the import is The Word IS God, 2 Peter 1:3. He is Devine.
    This is a good discussion topic, Joshua. The Jehova's Witnesses use the oldest translation, which is from a piece of a Coptic Manuscript that says in John 1 that "the Word is A God". They also believe the reference in Colossians 1:15 that Christ is "the firstborn of all creation", means Christ was created by God, just like the Angels.

    There are statements in the Bible that cast doubt on the Deity of Christ as existing always as God. That is why a study of Systematic Theology is so important for our understanding of Scripture. Peter said that what Paul says is Scripture. But some people misunderstand it, 2 Peter 3:16. Proverbs 8 says, "He was the first of creation". So which is it?
  • Sf
    Amen Child of God. The world has made me feel that way. God gave me faith in him and answered my prayer when I acted on the faith he gave me.
  • Patty Tozi
    When everything is working out for you to succeed in an impossible task that can lead you into your final destiny for the Lord. Watch what happens. The spiritual fight starts.Satan steps into your weakest friends and relatives, attacking your strength. I know what is happening, so l don't add fuel to the fire. The fight goes to God- and He fights for me. That's how it should be. So stand strong!!!
  • DL
    "Christ in you, the hope of glory."

    The core of the gospel of grace. Not just that Christ died and rose again to forgive us all sins and justify us forever, but ALSO that the Father saw fit to make those who believe the gospel to be literally ONE with His Son. Christ in us, we His body. Zero credit or boasting to ourselves: all is of the Father, all is in the Son, all the glory goes to God.
  • Child Of God!
    God is good I tell you God is good!!!!!!!!!!! I felt like I didn't fit in but with God, I know were I belong!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! let God love you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  • BSP
    Verse 10: we want to be pleasing to Jehovah God by taking in accurate Bible knowledge and letting this knowledge produce good fruit by our actions.
  • Kathrina
    The world is forever changing, but God remains the same.
    It isn’t His will that any perish
    but, have eternal life.
  • Brianna vs. 9-10
    It seems today that everyone wants to do things in their own way and still be accepted. These verses show that to walk worthily of God and please him fully, we have to have accurate knowledge of the Bible and spiritual comprehension. There are many faiths and ideas about God , but the ONE true way to serve him is found in the Bible. If we study it sincerely we will know the truth.
  • Sharon
    Jesus is the Jehovah God become human to reverse the curse of Adam. He could not find one holy man to reverse the curse. So He became a man to save us. It was the only way He could find.
  • BSP
    Jehovah God used Jesus Christ to create all other things. Things in heaven and things on earth.
  • Travis Reed
    the message of this chapter is that God is in us all nd that we should this with all we know and whom we meet in our life,i do find it interesting about the things unseen written in this chapter but we are not meant to know all we are not God we are his children,God bless all and stay and pray for the full Armour of God in this day and age every piece remember how strong God/Jesus's word is
  • Barbara
    The mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations
    But now is made manifest to His saints.
    To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles, which is Christ in You, the Hope of Glory!
    Whom we (need to) preach warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus.
    O lovely GodGrace
  • Eutychus
    Paul was given a dispensation of God (vs 25) to fulfill a personal calling to suffer in the flesh for the Church, the body of Christ. (vs 24). Jesus' blood bought our eternal salvation. Paul's sufferings in the flesh, served to build the church of Jesus Christ. "And fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body's sake". Ananias said as much to Paul, Acts 9:16.
  • PraiseFather
    Colossians is a one of my favorites of the King James. Every chapter so powerful how Jesus pours out His grace continuously even through tribulations.
  • Emma
    I love jesus but I want to know him more and more
  • Ray321
    25 Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God 26 Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints: Paul is a minister to the Church of Collosians, ministering the secrets that Jesus told him. Now the mystery is revealed.
  • A disciple
    Additionally, Haven't you read the Prophets? or much of the Evangelists' Narratives? If the LORD could not communicate to people "before they're saved" how in the world could ANYONE ever get saved? How does one believe in Someone or something without any understanding? God is the Author of Order, and Intelligence, just as He is the Author and Creator of our souls, which He made in His image.
  • A disciple
    Bruce; When did the Lord Jesus ever turn someone away and not answer their question? In fact just the opposite of what you say, Jesus always answered everyone; even when the word was apparently too high for them to grasp it. It's the Spirit's business to move upon the inward parts of people; it's our part, whoever has His Word, to speak His word faithfully. Let God be in charge of His own things!
  • Bruce
    disciple: If One is not Saved, no answer to their question will do them much good. To receive Spiritual understanding,Knowledge of His Word and Wisdom is to be in His Word Only,a Church that Believes the same Telling Others what Christ has done and how they can be Saved. All this with Prayer: The Growth will be Amazing! We are The Light in this World. Without The Spirit you can never Learn---!?
  • A disciple
    Felicia (continuing); I found certain prayers in the Epistles of Paul, and in the Psalms, that were specifically asking for understanding and spiritual knowledge. I kept praying these prayers every day, for I don't know how long; and tried my best to meditate on the meaning as best I could. I found the answer came quite natural (in a godly sense) as through time, experience, maturity and proving.
  • A disciple
    Hi Felicia; Your request is almost word-for-word to what Paul wrote in several of his Epistles; and I was taught a long time ago, that the prayers in the Bible were written for our benefit, and for us to use them. That makes sense, because it was the Holy Spirit who inspired them, and we want God's thoughts on how to pray! Look in Philippians, Colossians, Ephesians, and Psalms 119, for starters.
  • A disciple
    Bruce; it seems that every time someone has an honest question, your answer is like a cookie-cutter response; "are you saved? how did you get saved? etc..." Why don't you think a little harder on the questions being asked, and see if you really have something substantial to offer; instead of immediately casting doubts and suspicious insinuations? Knowledge and transformation is not automatic!
  • Bruce
    Felicia: Have you been Born-again? Washed by His Blood? Just 3Things to do:Read His Word always,no other books- commentaries,no tv-internet, movies. Tell others what He has done and how they can be Saved by The Blood of The Lamb. Go to a Church that believes the same. The more you read and Hear His Word tell others everyday,with Prayer: The more you receive. --If only now-n-than: years to never.
  • Felicia
    Verse 9
    How do we become filled with the knowledge of His will in all wisdom and spiritual understanding? Kindly add some revelation to mine, please. Thank you.
  • Ray321
    Deborah, how beautiful is the Holy Spirit inside us to teach us the Word of God. But without faith it is impossible to please him : for he that cometh to God must believe that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him. Hebrew 11:6, we have to keep studying the Word. Romans through Philemon teach how to study the Word of God. Apostle Paul explain it well. God bless you....
  • Deborah
    Gave us His Holy Spirit to dwell in our heart. Guide and teach our spirit through all trails, suffering. Remaining faithfully assured of His promises, we shall dwell on His wisdom.
    It is our inheritance from God. No longer serving the kingdom of darkness. He is faithful and just, the promise, It is finished. He did. By faith claim it . It is your inheritance.

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