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  • Bob Hilt - in Reply on Revelation 19:20
    Papal Rome is indeed not what Paul saw in his day. However the Bible defines what antichrist means.

    1 John 2:22 - Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. (ALL Jews deny Jesus and that makes them antichrist, if they believed in Jesus then they would be CHRISTIANS. IF you do not believe me call any Synagogue and ask them if Jesus is the Messiah.) If they refuse to use the name Jesus as the angel Gabriel named him and use Yeshua I suspect they may not what be they claim to be

    1 John 2:23 - Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

    If Jews do not accept Jesus as messiah, then who is their messiah?

    1 Corinthians 16:22 - If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema (CURSED) Maranatha.

    DO JEWS LOVE JESUS OR ARE THEY CURSED?

    Rome did not kill Jesus. John 19:12 And from thenceforth Pilate sought to release him: but the Jews cried out, saying, If thou let this man go, thou art not Caesar's friend: whosoever maketh himself a king speaketh against Caesar.

    Pilate wanted to release Jesus.

    King James Bible book of John 5:16 And therefore did the Jews persecute Jesus, and sought to slay him, because he had done these things on the sabbath day.

    John 5:18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.

    Paul in 1 Thessalonians 2:14, 16 - For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, EVEN AS THEY HAVE OF THE JEWS: WHO BOTH KILLED THE LORD JESUS, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and THEY PLEASE NOT GOD, and are contrary to all men: Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins alway: FOR THE WRATH IS COME UPON THEM TO THE UTTERMOST
  • CARLOS RAMIREZ TREVINO - in Reply on Matthew 24:29
    I agree. As we read the Bible, we come up with slightly different perspectives and one of those has to do with the time of the Rapture.

    Please, show me your timeline of events recorded in Scripture about the End Time? I will list mine below. Please clarify. Thanks.

    1. THE ANTICHRIST. Daniel 7-12

    Daniel 9:27 - And he will confirm a covenant with many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of the temple will come the abomination that causes desolation, until the decreed destruction is poured out upon him.

    2. THE ANTICHRIST EXALTS HIMSELF OVER GOD IN THE TEMPLE.

    Matthew 24:15 - when you see standing in the holy place 'the abomination of desolation

    3. THE GREAT TRIBUALTION.

    Matthew 24:21 - at that time there will be great tribulation, unmatched from the beginning of the world

    Revelation 7:14 - These are the ones who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

    Revelation 20:4 - I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the Beast.

    4. THE COMING OF CHRIST and RAPTURE.

    2 Thessalonians 2:1 - Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to Him

    Matthew 24:3 - when will these things happen, and what will be the sign of Your coming

    Matthew 24:29 - Immediately after the tribulation

    Daniel 7:13 - and I saw One like a Son of Man coming with the clouds of heaven

    1 Thessalonians 4 - we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds

    Mark 13:26 - At that time they will see the Son of Man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.d And He will send out the angels to gather His elect from the four winds, from the ends of the earth to the ends of heaven.

    Revelation 18:4, - Come out of her, My people.

    19:1f For the marriage of the Lamb.
  • Bob Hilt - in Reply on Matthew 24:29
    Jesse I suspect you do not understand the difference between judgment of the Church, the wrath of satan and the wrath of God. Please allow me to explain.

    1 Peter 4:17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?

    Revelation 12:17 And the dragon was wroth (angry) with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

    If anyone chooses to disbelieve that the woman here is the bride of Christ, that is on them. well if there is show me from the scriptures please I want to know.

    Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all ONE one in Christ Jesus.

    Revelation 21:9 And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife.

    There is only one bride, there is not a Jewish bride and another Christian Gentile brideS

    Revelation 12:17 And the dragon was wroth (angry) with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

    Getting killed for Christ is not the wrath of God, otherwise Stephen, the prophets and the apostles who were killed suffered the wrath of God which is ridiculous.

    Noah was saved in the flood, Daniel was saved in the Lion's den, the 3 Hebrew children were saved in the furnace.

    God's wrath is poured out upon the wicked world, just like the plagues of Egypt. God's children did not suffer the plagues of Egypt and neither will his children in the tribulation who survive the wrath of the Satan.

    You should do a little history on the fate of the millions of Christians murdered in Communist Russia under Stalin.

    All we hear about is the 6 million.
  • Papal Rome is the beast, and anti christ I will let them tell you themseves.

    The word "anti" in antichrist does not mean someone who is going to be openly anti (against) Christ. That word "anti" in the original Bible language can actually mean "IN PLACE OF". So could the bible antichrist be someone who has actually put himself "in place of" Christ? Well, we have further Bible evidence to support this. In 1 John 2:18-19 it says that there were "many antichrists", who "WENT OUT FROM THE CHURCH". In other words, John is pointing to the fact that those "antichrists" were WITHIN THE CHURCH!! Not only that, but Paul in 2 Thess. 2:3-4 calls the man of sin the "son of perdition". Now there is only one other place in the Bible where the name "son of perdition" is used, and that is in John 17:12 talking about JUDAS! And what was Judas? A professing follower of Christ Jesus. Someone who deceived from WITHIN the "church".

    "The leader of the Catholic church is defined by the faith as the Vicar of Jesus Christ (and is accepted as such by believers). The Pope is considered the man on earth who TAKES THE PLACE of the Second Person of the omnipotent God of the Trinity." (John Paul II, Crossing the Threshold of Hope, p. 3, 1994).

    "ANTI" - Christ = "IN PLACE OF" Christ!
  • CARLOS RAMIREZ TREVINO - in Reply on Genesis 10
    Chris, you are exactly right. I share your feelings. Thanks for clarifying on Confused. Genesis 10 outlines the beginning of the new generations from which Christ would enter the world. But there is something in the entire account of the Noahic account and the Ark that brings up a very important questions.

    Did Noah only have 3 kids in the 950 years he lived?

    Why did God spare Noah and his family, considering they were as corrupt as everyone else?

    Why not just start creation all over again, in a setting that wasn't as conducive to sin, rebellion, disobedience and corruption?

    We covered some of this in our previous discussions, but more is better.
  • CARLOS RAMIREZ TREVINO - in Reply on Matthew 24:29
    The Bible is replete with references to the Wrath of God. With reference to the End Times, what exactly is John referring to when he speaks of the Wrath of God?

    Additionally, is there a relationship between the Wrath of God and the Day of the Lord?
  • CARLOS RAMIREZ TREVINO - in Reply on Genesis 10
    In a recent conversation with a friend, I asked if she understood and could explain why keeping the Sabbath was so important to God, that He would even include it in the 10 Commandments.

    What is it about the Sabbath that means so much?
  • Jesse - in Reply on Matthew 24:29
    Hi Carlos,

    No apology needed. It just seemed sort of odd when I saw that because all your previous posts have all been very cordial. I have actually had that happen to one of my posts where things got added in that I did not type.

    I think the most important thing concerning the rapture is that we both agree that there will be a rapture. We don't have to agree with each other on the time.

    There are Pre/Mid/Post rapture believers and they all have scripture to back up why they take one of those three positions.

    Like I said to Bob, I don't have an issue with whatever of the three positions someone chooses to take.
  • Jesse - in Reply on Matthew 24:29
    Hi Bob,

    Why is the rapture a hotly contested thing? That is a great question Bob. We could also ask why do we disagree on anything the Bible has to say? Believers disagree on all sorts of things that the Bible teaches.

    I think disagreements become hotly contested when those in disagreement with each other take the attitude of "I'm right, and you're wrong." It's called human pride. We take our understanding of scripture and we turn ourselves into "Bible scholars." You know, it's like the "Thus saith Jesse," or "Thus saith Bob" approach.

    I think another reason why believers disagree with each other so often is because we study our English bibles, and English is such a general language, much like Hebrew.

    We can come away with multiple meanings on what the English text is saying because there are multiple meanings to English words. Honestly, I think that's why we have so many denominational churches out there. It's because people can't agree on what the English text is saying.

    I think it was God's design that our New Testament be originally written in Greek. Greek is the most exact language there is, and you don't come away with multiple meanings on what the text is saying like we do with the English.

    Anyways, that's my thoughts on your question.

    I am curious though. If the Tribulation period comes in our lifetime, what will your role be during those 7 years? I don't think it will be to spread the gospel. God already has a plan for that. What will be your function on this earth when God's wrath is being poured out?
  • Cynthia Nelson on Romans 13:4
    I been giving three sentyse smells in different times and I am trying to understand what the Lord is trying to tell me. The smells fresh water, fresh dirt , honey suckle flowers
  • Dave on Romans 13:4
    Does God hear and answer prayers of the unsaved ?
  • CARLOS RAMIREZ TREVINO - in Reply on Genesis 10
    Chris, I wholeheartedly agree with you. Wish everyone in the Christian world shared your perspective and attitude. I guess I wasn't as clear as I should have been and I might not even have a good grasp of what I am trying to say. But let me try to explain.

    In 2Peter3:16 we are warned to be attentive, because some usurp Scripture to their destruction. Paul in 1Cor11:16 also cautions us of excesses. But there are those that have created insulated cultures based on strict enforcement of unnecessary rules and conditions. Sometimes we refer to these as cults, but they are also found among denominations. They emphasize duties, that when violated, lead to losing salvation. Sabbath, Tithing, dress, works, adherence to OT restrictions, attending services 5 times a week. The list is endless. Pay attention to Galatians 2-4, 2:15-3:5, 3:28, 4:8-10. Shouldn't we live by our trust in Christ, instead of our list of do's and don'ts?

    That is not to say we shouldn't be organized and observe good conduct. But not as a basis for salvation.
  • Jean on 1 Timothy 5:8
    Thank you! I love this commentary and responses. Many times a wife has had to deal with many issues surrounding this scripture as husbands placed as the head with the responsibility of providing and protecting. The help mate has many times been a great support to the head and has been severely and financially abused in the role reversal because the head is not providing.

    An infidel indeed, Sometimes that head is a teacher/pastor who is so engulfed in the church they forget about home. Can we say they are so busy taking care of Gods bride they forget their own...

    For those out there who are Bible quoting Christians professing the gospel that don't live it. James 3:1 says you will be held at even a higher strictness.

    Can we explore James 3:1 please?
  • CARLOS RAMIREZ TREVINO - in Reply on Revelation 14
    Chris and Bethany, I hope I do the Christian Faith justice with my comments. There are so many differing points of view on so many things. Am I far off when I say there are insulated Christian Cultures that base their existence on rules of their making, by emphasizing vague passages in the Bible to justify their control? Take the Amish and Quakers. Isn't that a glaring example of what I mean? Or Adventists. Good people all of them, but from my perspective, they have issues. Of course, there are also JW, Mormons and others most might not even think of as Christians. But then there are those within mainstream denominations that insist certain things must be done a certain way or else, you are not saved.

    The way women dress is particularly emphasized in many groups. My aunt, for example, was told to leave the church because she cut and colored her hair. Some say it is a must to observe the Sabbath, but all they do is have their Sunday Service on Saturday. They don't really observe all the rules attached to keeping the Sabbath. They can't. Others claim you must not eat meat, drink coffee, beer, or smoke. Mormons won't even drink Coca Cola. I could never be a Mormon just based on that one rule. Others won't accept gays in their congregations, but will allow adulterers and hypocrites to preach a Sunday sermon or lead the Choir. This, by the way, is not a list of complaints. They are just my observations.

    My message is that we tend to focus on the petty and inconsequential and miss the real meaty stuff. So what should we be focused on? The Gospel. Joy, not reprisal. Appreciation of others, in spite of their shortcomings. And the fact that we must prepare for the End Times. Are most Christians prepared for persecution? What will we do when churches are forced to close? Or when we have to meet in secret? And when killing Christians becomes the norm? When we can't shop? Are we prepared? Jesus warned us in Matt25. Be prepared. Will the AntiChrist be the Muslim Mehdi?
  • YaleTaylor on Romans 8:34
    How can you get plum blossoms without any cold and bone?
  • Carol - in Reply on Psalms 8
    The only way we can get to heaven is through the blood of Jesus Christ. His blood was shed for our sins. It is He that cleanses us. The only hope is in Jesus. Sin is the transgression of the Law. Which law? The ten commandments. All the ceremonial laws, the feasts, all the sacrificing of animals was done away with at the cross. Jesus was resurrected on the first day of the week, which is Sunday. God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit didn't need our help when He made the earth, moon or hung the stars. He said everything He made was good and he rested the seventh day and blessed it and sanctified it. He didn't do that on any other day. We can worship God every day but we cannot keep each day holy.

    I John 2:3,4 "And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that saith, I know him and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him." ! John 5: 2,3 "By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments; and his commandments are not grievous". Roman 7: 7 "What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid, Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not know lust, except the law had said,Thou shalt not covet." The ten commandments is our "map" to salvation. It is God's character. It is only through the blood of Jesus Christ that we can be saved.

    We cook and clean house and do nice things for our family and friends. Why? We love them and want to please them. If we love Jesus we should want to please him. We have to have a one on one relationship with Him. Jesus should be the center of our life. He is love. Jesus said, if you love me keep my commandments.

    May the Holy Spirit be with you as you study God's word.
  • Lois on Genesis 36:17
    How can I have the Bible read?
  • Mishael - in Reply on Psalms 91:2
    Have no idea. What scripture in the King James Bible?
  • Mishael On Romans 11 on Revelation 14
    I wish we could come to some kind of truce about how much trouble Israel has heaped upon themselves for allowing Jesus to be crucified?

    It was PROPHESY. It all happened as the Godhead Wrote it. Through Jesus's suffering He set the new Covenant in motion until the mystery be completed: until the fullness of the Gentiles.

    Romans 11:11 ...have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather..through their fall...salvation is come unto the Gentiles (WHY?) for to provoke them (the JEWS) to jealousy.

    For if the casting away from them be THE RECONCILING of the WORLD...what shall be the the RECEIVING of them be...but life from the dead?

    Verse 26: And so ALL Israel SHALL BE SAVED

    Verse 27: For this is MY COVENANT unto them (Israel) , WHEN I shall take away their sins.

    Verse 28: As concerning the gospel (birth, life, death, resurrection of Jesus) They are enemies (now) FOR YOUR SAKES (us).

    BUT as touching the election, they are BELOVED for the fathers sakes (plural) Deuteronomy 9:5.

    They're OUT now and we are IN. God did that all by Himself. Didn't need any of us to debate the soundness of His Decision. Why indeed should any of us Gentiles shed a tear for 6 million Jews who were murdered? Well, they were on the outs so it's ok?

    Is there anybody who will stop a minute and pray a prayer God asked us to do?

    Psalms 122:6, 121:4, 125:5

    Pray for the peace of Jerusalem (not a suggestion)

    God is not willing that any of us perish but that we'd all come to repentance: which means to turn around and walk away from what's holding us back. Backsliding simply means to stand still and go nowhere.

    Forgive me for saying this, but there are people coming in here who need help.

    Titus 3:9 But avoid foolish questions, genealogies, and contentions and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.

    God show us your heart always, and to esteem others with meekness and friendship.
  • Mishael To Luis - in Reply on 1 Corinthians 7:15
    To Luis:

    You need to stay in 1 Corinthians chapter 7; read it slow; take some notes to keep it straight.

    My comment is that children suffer the MOST when parents get their relationships in a knot.

    Genesis 2:23-24 is the first marriage in creation. It's supposed to be a covenant. The two become one.

    God barely tolerates divorce; only for adultery. If I understood right you have left the wife of your youth? Do you have children with her?

    My best advise is to go to a Christian pastor or counselor, with your legal wife and try to see if you have enough between you to continue.

    The 2nd woman, unfortunately, doesn't get to participate in the counseling.

    Try to consider three people who are being harmed by this. I know if you ask the Lord to help you set it right, He will help you.

    Spend a little time in 1 Corinthians 13, the love chapter. My Bible says charity which is the same word, love. Don't walk away from God over this. God is Love. Walk toward Him.
  • Chris - in Reply on 1 Corinthians 7:15
    Luis. That's an awful relationship situation you present. It's difficult to comment as this man has supposedly become a 'Christian' & still wants to behave like a non-Christian & leave a trail of tragedies around him. Some Christians believe that there is still opportunity for him to get himself right with God through repentance, even though he wants to remarry while being a 'Christian'!; others believe, there is no more hope as he would "put Christ to an open shame" (Hebrews 6:6).

    Well, I can't see that he ever converted in the first place (but God is his Judge & sees the condition of his heart, not me). So whatever he decides to do will be sin & until he comes to the foot of the Cross in true conviction of his many sins, there is no salvation for him. So your question: what should he do? Well, salvation through Jesus is his only hope & he stays with his second wife, without adding sin upon sin, but if he wants to maintain this lifestyle of having multiple wives (as God doesn't recognize divorce), then he is free to do whatever he wants, as those who conduct themselves as non-Christians, without the knowledge of God & His Word.
  • Mishael on Revelation 14
    Only the Father knows the day of the Rapture.

    When is the fullness of the Gentiles complete? Romans 11:25-36

    Matthew 24:36, 42, 44

    Mark 13:32

    Acts 1:11

    And now a reminder: Ecclesiastes 12:9-14
  • Darrien Dill on Psalms 91:2
    What does 2 Esdras 2:18 mean about twelve trees
  • Chris - in Reply on Revelation 14
    Carlos, I heartily agree with your comments brother (as I usually do, though squeezing in some subtle reservations, if I may!). So here we go: I realize that there will always be those who seek to bring believers back into bondage to sets of rules which are unnecessary, unbiblical & burdensome; and these are enforced to bring its adherents into a position of bondage, clothed in the garb of Scriptural mandate & "being of one mind & belief". Sometimes, such rules are not altogether wrong, but if they produce exclusivity & alienation from other 'believers', which again is not in God's Plan, then we must be warned.

    However, you do not specify in what ways some are using "the Bible as a Book of Rules through which to control people". I know the matters of Church conduct, whether in dress, speech, usage of spiritual Gifts, etc. have come up here & I certainly have shared in some of them, but as much as I believe that these topics are not dealt with, either within the Word or amongst believers, in an authoritarian manner, I suspect that some might find a strict adherence to such matters concerning & not in line with the freedom we have in Christ. In my input in this Discussion space, I always ensure that my comments are biblically based (with references where needed), & so it is then a matter of correct 'dividing of the Word' that comes to the fore. Yet, there can still be room for objection in this, & I think that is where the matter lies: is one being too legalistic or judgemental by stating the facts laid out in Scripture? Or, at which point does the biblical mandate become open to more relaxed/liberal views? And then, who decides on this point, or do we leave the matter open-ended & a sense of a 'do what you feel is best for you'. And a further point: should we have a swipe at the apostles, who in the main, have so directed us?

    Anyway, just a few thoughts that come to mind; & these of course, may well be off the mark to your purpose in writing.
  • Bob Hilt - in Reply on Matthew 24:29
    Paul in 1 Corinthians 15:52 - In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the LAST TRUMP: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

    We are changed at the LAST TRUMP and where is this found?

    In REVELATION, the LAST BOOK of the Bible there are 7 trumps and the 7th trump is the LAST ONE and is at the end of the tribulation. there is not a 7th last trump prior to the tribulation. If you find it let me know.

    Why is when the rapture / resurrection a hotly contested thing? It was not even debated until 200 years ago. Look into the lives of those who promoted this doctrine, like C.I. Scofield and you might consider this very suspect. Jesus said by their fruit ye shall know them.

    Jesus tells us plainly in Matthew 13:24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:

    25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed (weeds) tares among the wheat, and went his way.

    26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.

    27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?

    28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?

    29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.

    30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together FIRST first the TARES (WEEDS) and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn. (first the tares WEEDS get gathered, then wheat last) could it be any more plain than this?

    Jesse no one believed in pre trib until 1830 AD believe what you wish but it makes a difference. I would love to be wrong, but I doubt it. Question: How many million Christian died in communism the last 100 years?
  • Adam - in Reply on 1 Corinthians 7:15
    Hello, divorce is a sin. Matthew 5:32. Please read the whole chapter to see what God thinks about divorce. There's only few exceptions such as if your wife betrayed your vows and cheated on you. May God bless you and your decisions.
  • Jesse - in Reply on Matthew 24:29
    Bob,

    I believe in a pre-tribulation rapture of the church, and I have never once made the claim that there is a second phase of the first resurrection listed in Revelation 20:4-6. Did someone tell you that? There is only one rapture of the church and it is mentioned in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-17, and it takes place prior to the 7 year tribulation period. That is my understanding, and not just mine, but many others.

    If you want to believe you will go through God's wrath during the tribulation period, if it happens during our lifetime, I don't have a problem with that. Really, I don't. I don't know why it would bother you that I believe in a pre-trib rapture? From my understanding in 1 Thessalonians 5:9, God has not appointed us believers unto wrath, so I do not believe that God is going to pour His judgment out on any believer.

    Again, if you believe you're going to be there when His wrath is being poured out, I don't have an issue with that. If I may ask, since you do not believe in a pre-tribulation rapture of the church, are you mid-trib, or post-trib? I'm sorry, but I can't agree with what you are saying. And I hope you are not accusing me of adding to the bible. You are also in disagreement with me, but I would never make such an accusation against anyone for simply disagreeing with my understanding.
  • Bob - in Reply on James 2
    Yes we are to do what the word of God instructs is to do .

    But first we must realize that not doing it is sin .

    So we repent and ask the Lord to empower us to do it by His spirit .

    The first step is why are we not doing it ?

    The Lord will help us do it , ask Him for wisdom .

    The hardest part is owning up to the reality we are not doing , and can't without His Spirit .

    When truly repentant in a matter or salvation , we then will be able to be led by the Holy Spirit and enjoy our obedience . I hope this helps .
  • Question: If a man is living with a women and has a child with that women, then leaves this 1st women for another, Then decides to marry 2nd women, and he becomes a Christian. No he wants to return to the 1st. Also wanting to divorce the 2nd women his present wife. What can he do? or what must he do?
  • CARLOS RAMIREZ TREVINO - in Reply on Matthew 24:29
    Jesse, to take up where I left off, Daniel 7-12 gives us a good picture of who the Restrainer is in 2Thess2:6. He says it is Israel. And he also states that Israel will be defeated when Persia comes against it. And that is what was holding the full flood of destruction against the Church and the Jews. Daniel 8:24 and 12:7, "When the power of the holy people has been finally broken, all these things will be completed." Compare this to 2Thess2:6, "For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work, but the one who now restrains it will continue until he is taken out of the way." Whom does Daniel say will be shattered, destroyed and taken out of the way? The Jewish nation and the influence of the Church.

    In any case, there is no reason to believe that the Rapture takes place before the Tribulation, since 2:6 is abundantly clear. "Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and OUR BEING GATHERED TO HIM.... that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God."

    As I previously mentioned, the AntiChrist doesn't sit in the Holy of Holies to proclaim himself God until the middle of the 7 years week. Daniel 7-12 and Matthew 24 make that clear. But the Rapture is not in the middle of the week. Jesus emphasizes He will come, IMMEDIATELY AFTER the Great Tribulation Matt24:21, 29. The 7 years Tribulation begins. Three years into it, the AntiChrist crowns himself God in the Temple. "Then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now, and never shall be."

    What happens after the AntiChrist sits in the Temple? The Great Tribulation. Then what happens? Matt24, Daniel 7-12, 2 Thessalonians 2. The Gathering. The Rapture. Therefore, according to what has been said in the cited passages, when is the Rapture?


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