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  • Rainwalker - In Reply - 5 months ago
    Oseas, might I suggest another possibility concerning "time management", not to be "argumentative" in any way either. Matthew 1:17.. "So all the generations from Abraham to David are fourteen generations, and from David until the carrying away into Babylon are fourteen generations, and from the carrying away into Babylon unto Christ are fourteen generations. Just a thought.
  • Jordyn - In Reply - 5 months ago
    Oseas:

    As good as the KJV is, the New Testament is still a translation of the original Greek.

    The words translated everlasting, eternal, forever, and world; in a few places, would more correctly have been translated AGE, or for the AGE, or of the age.

    So, although time does not really exist, God does all his WORK in AGES, now and those to come.

    Christ is IMMORTAL LIFE, in all AGES, there is yet more to come.

    Ephesians 2:7 .... that in the ages to come .....

    Same Greek work translated other places as eternal, everlasting, forever, world in some places.

    If I am incorrect, perhaps our brother in Greece, brother Giannis, will give us a correct translation.

    God BLESS YOU!
  • Oseas - In Reply - 5 months ago
    Jordyn

    What does the Word of GOD say? 2Peter 3:8 - 8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one Day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one Day.

    So, what matters and prevails is the Word of GOD, the Word is GOD, self-executing, understand?

    We should know that 6000 years after Adam are pointing midnight at GOD's clock, so it is the turn from the sixth to the seventh Day, and Day of GOD's rest, so it is the END of the sixth and beginning of the seventh and last millennium, or seventh and last Day, the LORD's Day. But actually have already passed around 23 years, something like minites at GOD's clock.

    Wake up, be careful, and get ready - Matthew 25:6. Take a look.

    Lord JESUS will return in the day 1335 of this current millennium according the Word of GOD. The Word is GOD, self-executing.

    Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand- Daniel 12:10.

    If the trumpet give an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself to the battle? 1 Corinthians 14:8
  • Jordyn - In Reply - 5 months ago
    Oseas:

    Time doesn't exist in God's realm, no beginning and no end.

    One day is as a thousand years, that is symbolic, one day could also be as a million years.

    It's just ONE DAY, TODAY.

    Christ was resurrected and it became TODAY; the day of salvation, then, in our time frame, tomorrow, AGAIN, became TODAY the day of SALVATION, over and over for the last 2000 years, It's ALWAYS, TODAY the day of salvation, no beginning and no end.

    Ephesians 3:21 ...... through out all AGES ......WORLD WITHOUT END ......

    Ecclesiastes 1:9 The thing that hath been, is that which SHALL BE; and that which is done is that which SHALL BE DONE, there is NO NEW THING under the sun.

    Hebrews 4:3 For we which have BELIEVED do enter in to REST (the Sabbath) .....the WORKS were FINISHED from the foundation of the world.

    TODAY, the DAY of SALVATION, world without end.

    God BLESS YOU!
  • Oseas - In Reply - 5 months ago
    Jordyn

    You are saying"a thousand years is symbolic" by ignorance,Peter Apostle previously warned to be not ignorant as you manifest yourself be. To speak of the Word of GOD -the Word is GOD - , first of all it is necessary to have the Spirit of GOD, understand? The natural man receives not the things of the Spirit of GOD, neither CAN HE KNOW THEM,because they are spiritually discerned.

    You said"one day could also be as a million years",but according to the Word of GOD what you said it is FAKE,a misleading interpretation contradicting what the Holy Spirit said by Peter Apostole- 2Peter 3:8, and also contradicting what Moses said in his pray to the Lord GOD- Psalm 90:4- ,saying:"a THOUSAND YEARS in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past".Yeah, the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of GOD:neither can he know them,because they are spiritually discerned.

    Your thinking is from a human perspective,a stumblingblock, not from GOD's perspective.Your interpretation and misleading message is similar or even the same as Genesis 3:1,and is good for nothing,if not for it exclusively be burned with everlasting fire.

    The kingdoms of THIS CURRENT DEVIL' s WORLD are become the Kingdoms of our Lord, and of His Christ, - Revelation 11:15- , and the dragon, that old serpent,which is the Devil and Satan,he will be chained,and will be cast down,even in this current millennium,into the bottomless pit for a thousand years,that he should deceive the nations no more,till the thousand years should be fulfilled.

    I saw thrones,and Judgment was given unto them that were sat upon the thrones:I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of JESUS,and for the Word of GOD,and they will live and reign with Christ a THOUSAND YEARS.The rest of the dead will not live again until the thousand years be finished.And when the thousand years expire,Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,and shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth.
  • Jordyn - In Reply - 5 months ago
    Oseas:

    May the spirit of truth CAUSE YOU to understand.

    The DAY of the Lord has been on earth for about 2000 years NOW, the angels have been harvesting the SEED for about 2000.

    That harvested SEED is in the 1000 year NOW, some SEED have been there NOW for about 2000 years, some were harvested TODAY, that's less than a 1000 years.

    The 1000 years, in God's eyes is ONE DAY, TODAY, the Day of the Lord, you are birthed into the IMAGE OF CHRIST.

    In the twinkling of an eye you are HARVESTED and PUT ON CHRIST, whether it was 2000 years ago are today, it's both the same to God.

    God BLESS YOU!
  • Oseas - In Reply - 5 months ago
    Jordyn

    First of all, to speak by the Spirit of Truth - GOD is the Truth - it is necessary, first of all, to have the Spirit of Truth.

    What you have learned and wrote in your post is not true, but fake. The followers of devilish Catholicism of the RCC, which rides upom the MAN Beast of sea, and the followers of the esoteric, and spiritist doctrines, among other devilish religions, they are blind guided by blinds, and according to the Word of GOD they will be cast in the the blackness of darkness for ever from now on.

    Matthew 22:11-14KJV

    11 And when the King came in to see the guests, He saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment:

    12 And He saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment?

    13 Then said the King to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness, there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

    14 For many are called, but few are chosen.
  • Jordyn - In Reply - 5 months ago
    Oseas:

    You were WED to Christ at his resurrection, he is your wedding garment, you were raised HIS BODY.

    God Bless YOU!
  • Oseas - In Reply - 5 months ago
    Jordyn

    Reading your posts unto me, I remember Acts 16:16-18KJV : "It came to pass, as we went to prayer, a certain damsel possessed with a spirit of divination met us, and the same followed Paul and us, and cried, saying, These men are the servants of the most high GOD, which shew unto us the way of salvation. And this did she many days. But Paul, being grieved, turned and said to the spirit, I command thee in the name of Jesus Christ to come out of her".
  • Oseas - In Reply - 5 months ago
    Jordyn

    I receive not testimony from man. He that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth.

    Your words mean nothing, they are good for nothing, they are insignificant, in fact a trap that sounds surreptitiously from a disguised and cunning spirit. I receive not honour from men.

    What matters and prevails is what is written the Word of GOD, the Word is GOD - John 1:1- , self-executing, understand?
  • Jordyn - In Reply - 5 months ago
    Oseas:

    I don't expect you to believe my words.

    I said to you: YOU ARE the Body of Christ.

    Here is God's word:

    1 Corinthians 12:27 ..... ye are the body of christ .....

    God BLESS YOU!
  • Oseas - In Reply - 5 months ago
    Jordyn

    I receive not testimony from man. I receive not honour from men.

    What matters and prevails is what is written the Word of GOD, the Word is GOD - John 1:1- , self-executing, don't you understand?
  • Giannis - 5 months ago
    Giannis - in Reply

    Spencer.

    Don't misunderstand whay I said. When I say that to him only it is a sin, I mean that it is not a sin but in his conscience it is considered a sin. God will not damn him, because he wrongly believes it is a sin, but he damns himself (wrongly)

    And something else. In greek faith and belief is the same word. So for better understanding of that verse, substitute the word faith with the word belief.
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 5 months ago
    Giannis.

    Part 2.

    As I said "Christ is truth and by faith we believe him! Why? Because the Holyspirit testifies of him!

    Is faith 'not" a gift of God? Yes it is.

    Is it not caused by the Holyspirit?

    Yes, it is persuasion.

    It's NOT man's faith we're discussing here but Christ faith.

    For example;

    Take 1 Corinthians 2:9-14 and harmonize it with your meaning of faith and you will see "IF" it directly means belief then it doesn't change anything according to the context we're debating.

    That what you believe in has to be given for us to have faith and trust in God!

    Vs 9) But as it is written, EYE HATH NOT SEEN, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

    Vs 10) But GOD HATH REVEALED THEM UNTO US BY HIS SPIRIT: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.)

    "That's Persuasion! (9 Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man.

    10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: ) [ Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. Hebrews 11:1]

    IF YOU TRANSLATED THAT TO BELIEF, IT STILL NOT OF YOURSELF!

    Vs 11. For WHAT MAN KNOWETH THE THINGS OF A MAN, SAVE THE SPIRIT OF MAN WHICH IS IN HIM? EVEN SO THE THINGS OF GOD KNOWETH NO MAN, BUT THE SPIRIT OF GOD.

    There's your source of belief/faith/Persuasion Giannis.

    Vs 12. Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; THAT WE MIGHT KNOW THE THINGS THAT ARE FREELY GIVEN TO US OF GOD.

    Vs 13. Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

    For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: IT IS THE GIFT OF GOD:

    Not of works, lest any man should boast.

    Where is the energy behind your faith? or belief?

    God bless.
  • Giannis - In Reply - 5 months ago
    Sorry, I meant, "because they can NOT avoid doing sins"
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 5 months ago
    Thanks Giannis,

    That was very well explained.

    God bless you.
  • Giannis - In Reply - 5 months ago
    Hi Spencer 1/2

    I completely agree with the way you see it .

    I just wanted to give my understanding on " And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin"

    Before going to that I just want to clarify some things I said.

    Firstly I wrote that "faith" and "belief" is the same in the grk language. So when one reads the Bible they have to distinguish in which verses it means faith and where it means belief. The text from Liberty university (I found that it is one of the most important christian unis in the USA) gives a good account of what is meant by the word "pistis" (faith) in the text of the NT.

    Also as a grk person I could never associate "pistis" with "persuation", although I can see how faith emerges from being persuaded to believe something we can not see.

    Undoubtably one can not live a sinless life in the sense that they will never ever sin. We see that in our everyday lives, don't we? We become sinless just because Christ erases our sins, He doesn't see them. when we sin and then repent. Repentance is needed so that God grands His grace and mercy. That means that one strives to live righteously and when they sin (because they can avoid doing sins) they repent and God forgives them.

    Now going back to that " ... for whatsoever is not of faith is sin". I think that has to be dealt with in accordance to what Paul is trying to tell them and to whom it concerns. Paul says that there are people who consider as a sin something which is not a sin, like not celebrating the day of Sabbath. Is that a sin? No it isn't. But in their mind it is a sin. So does it become a sin? No it doesn't and Paul concludes (and here the word faith has to take the meaning of belief) that for those people something which doesn't come from their belief (is not of their belief) of doing right, to them it is a sin, in their mind it is a sin, although God doesn't see it like a sin. And those people feel guilty although they shouldn't.
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 5 months ago
    Hi Giannis.

    I believe we all agree on what you have shared " The doubt and conscience of the person causes him to sin being that he thinks eating meat ect as a sin, However, "so he's not persuaded of and by the grace of God imputed to him.

    I would be cautious to interpret faith that way, when I look up faith in the strongs it says persuasion, That Parallels with Ephesians 2:8-9.

    If I translated it as belief, "then that which I believe in is persuaded by God.

    However simply believing in something doesn't always work out being that one can be wrong and I doubt God persuaded that.

    I was emphasizing that those who believe you can live a perfect life in this body they might want to consider that verse.

    Thanks my brother,

    God bless.
  • Giannis - In Reply - 5 months ago
    Spencer 2/2

    I don't think brother that any greek person understands that word as "persuation". It actually comes etymologically from the verb "peitho" which means "persuade, convince", but as I said nobody here understands it with such meaning.

    When this word is applied to a person or God, ie "pistos", it means faithful, trustworthy.

    The opposite to "pistis" is "apistia". This word is found in Hebrews 3:12, "Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief (apistia), in departing from the living God.". So you see here the KJV rightly translates it as unbelief, not lack of faith.
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 5 months ago
    Hi Giannis.

    Part 1.

    Thanks for your internet research Giannis but there were those back in Jesus day that spoke Greek that may not have understood it as well.

    Speaking Greek doesn't give us a lock on scripture.

    However I didn't need a Greek translation to come to any conclusion of where "Christ"faith comes from.

    If wanted to see how it's used in a passage I use the scripture as a whole and look for consistency.

    I also coordinate that with the strongs and try using that same consistency with the definition presented.

    Greek:

    Transliteration: pistis

    Pronunciation: pis'-tis

    Definition: From G3982; persuasion that is credence; moral conviction (of religious truth or the truthfulness of God or a religious teacher) especially reliance upon Christ for salvation; abstractly constancy in such profession; by extension the system of religious (Gospel) truth itself: - assurance belief believe faith fidelity.

    I quoted Paul in Romans "for whatsoever is not of faith is sin."

    I was stating that that is a hard sin to escape if one says we can live a life without sin.

    I'm a bit confused where you came on at this point, however I will address my take on faith and where I disagree with you.

    The source of this faith or the source of this belief "If you want to call it that. It's still a fruit and it's from God.

    As branches do, we bare the fruit!

    We don't produce it!

    It is Christ faith IN us.

    Faith is a fruit, belief is not.

    Christ is TRUTH! By faith we believe him! Why? Because the Holyspirit testifies of him! THIS IS PERSUASION.

    However, every belief is not energized by God. Man's belief/faith takes "showing" Sight ect..

    God given faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. This is faith in a person! "Our Lord Jesus Christ. .

    See Part 2.
  • Giannis - In Reply - 5 months ago
    Hello Jesse 1/2

    Definition of the grk word "pistis" (Eng. faith) I found on the net:

    1. wiki - faith, trust and reliability

    2.Oxford University, Faculty of Classics - Modern understandings of faith depend heavily on Augustine of Hippo, who defines it (De trin. 13.2.5) as fides quae and fides qua, belief in the body of Christian doctrine and the faith which takes place in the heart and mind of the believer. In 2015 I published Roman Faith and Christian Faith, which argues that the earliest Christians understood pistis/fides very differently. Faith was a relationship of trust and faithfulness between God and human beings, which also shaped relationships between human beings, the authority structure of churches, and the way Christians imagined the kingdom of heaven. Christians were unique in putting trust at the heart of their relationship with God and Christ, but their understanding and practice of pistis/fides were continuous with those of contemporary Greeks, Romans and Jews. -

    3. Liberty University, (I don't know which uni is this, but it is a University). - The Meaning of Pistis according to Greek Lexicons and NT Usage BDAG, considered the best Greek lexicon for NT scholarly study, gives three basic categories of meanings for pistis in the NT and early Christian literature: (1) "that which evokes trust and faith," such as "faithfulness" and "fidelity" (BDAG cites six NT passages with this specific meaning); (2) "believing on the basis of the reliability of the one trusted," meaning "trust" or "confidence" or "faith" (more than 180 NT passages are cited with this meaning, almost all of which refer to faith in God, Christ, the Gospel, or God's promises-this is by far the dominant meaning of pistis in the NT according to BDAG); and (3) "that which is believed"-the body of faith or belief (thirteen passages are cited with this meaning). -

    Well Spencer on the internet one can find many definitions of the word "pistis" (faith) apart from Strong's concordance.
  • Giannis - In Reply - 5 months ago
    Sorry Jesse, I meant to write Spencer.
  • DrCharlesSaw on John 15 - 5 months ago
    SALVATION CAN BE LOST

    John 15:2: "Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit."

    I heard so many people saying that salvation cannot be lost. I think there is a necessity to define what "lost" means. Does it mean losing the communion with the Lord on this earth? Or does it mean going to hell after death? In my argument, I have chosen the latter definition, losing salvation = going to hell after death. If one finishes up not making it to heaven, it means the person has lost his salvation because the goal of salvation is to live where Jesus is ( John 14:3)

    1. Who are the branches Jesus spoke about? The believers, here Jesus was not talking about non-believers (because they are not "branches").

    2. Two types of branches: Branches that abide in Jesus, and branches that do not abide in Him, meaning believers who abide in Jesus, and believers who do not. Those who abide bear good fruit, but those who do not abide bear no fruit.

    3. Note that there is a difference between accepting Jesus and abiding in Him. Some people accept Jesus but do not ABIDE in Him, meaning that they do not obey and completely surrender to Him in their journey.

    4. Those people (who believed at first, but did not abide in Him later) are the branches that do not abide in Jesus, and therefore, they will be cut off.

    Conclusion: It is a big mistake to believe that one cannot lose salvation once saved. Philippians 2:12-13 said, "Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling, for it is God who works in you..." If salvation is "granted" once, why did the Apostle Paul say we should work with "fear" and "trembling"?

    I Corinthians 9:27: "But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway." Look at the last word of the verse. "CASTAWAY", meaning losing salvation.

    Brethren, Let's walk in holiness.
  • Shabbat Keeper - In Reply on John 15 - 5 months ago
    Yes , scripture states that salvation can be lost.

    See Ezekiel 18:21-32.

    However, the lost won't be eternally conscious in hell. God says they will surely die. Cease to exist. It's too hard to explain in a couple paragraphs. But, eternal life is only the reward of the righteous.

    Also, when people die, they fall asleep until judgement day. We have an object lesson in our nightly sleep. Suddenly, it's morning. The idea of grandma watching over us from heaven is a satanic ploy. It makes room for seances, praying to dead saints, spiritism. Any dead relative appearing to a living relative is a demon impersonating the relative.
  • Jordyn - In Reply on John 15 - 5 months ago
    Shabbat Keeper:

    You said one can lose their salvation.

    What are you saved from?

    Your SAVED from DEATH.

    Christ is our PASSOVER sacrifice, death passed over us,

    If we don't believe, then we die in our SIN of UNBELIEF.

    But as you said, Christ is going to resurrect the DEAD, so one cannot lose his salvation, being saved from death.

    God Bless YOU!
  • Shabbat Keeper - In Reply on John 15 - 5 months ago
    Hello Jordyn,

    The RIGHTEOUS dead are raised at the FIRST resurrection to eternal life. The UNRIGHTEOUSNESS dead are raised at the SECOND resurrection. They will face the judgement seat of Christ and then they will die eternally. Their soul will die.

    Below, verse 24 emphasizes that 'once saved, always saved' is a dangerous lie. How many children were saved in Sunday school and assume, as adults ,they are saved. But, they don't give one thought to God as an adult and they do not pursue sanctification in their life. Anyway, the following scripture is from Ezekiel:

    "The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

    But, if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes and do that which is right, he shall surely live, he shall not die.

    All his transgressions that he hath committed, they shall not be mentioned unto him: in his righteousness that he hath done he shall live.

    Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? Saith the Lord GOD: and not that he should return from his ways, and live?

    But when the righteous turn away from his righteousness, and committed iniquity, and does according to all the abominations that the wicked man does, shall he live? All his righteousness that he has done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he has trespassed, and in his sin that he has sinned, in them shall he die." Ezekiel 18:20-24
  • Jordyn - In Reply on John 15 - 5 months ago
    Shabbat Keeper:

    Your right, there are two resurrections.

    The first RESURRECTION .... is the resurrection of Christ .... and those that come to the truth of the gospel THAT YOU were joint heirs of that resurrection, and made ONE, were married to Christ, were baptised in HIS NAME.

    The whole Bible is the promise of God to destroy death.

    The promise has always been ETERNAL LIFE.

    The wages of SIN (unbelief) has always been DEATH.

    All this was accomplished when Christ was resurrected.

    When you come to truth that YOU and Christ were resurrected TOGETHER, then you will never die again.

    That is the FIRST DEATH and the FIRST RESURRECTION.

    Luke 20:36 Neither can they (YOU) die anymore, for they (YOU) are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, BEING the children of THE RESURRECTION.

    God BLESS YOU!
  • Shabbat Keeper - In Reply on John 15 - 5 months ago
    Hi Jordyn, the two resurrections that I was referring to are :

    1. the resurrection of the dead at the second coming of Jesus Christ.

    2. And, then 1000 years later, the resurrection of the wicked to receive their judgement.

    I was not referring to the resurrection of our LORD which, in my opinion, is a special and separate deal. By the way, it's so interesting because after Christ rose, some of the dead were resurrected and seen in Jerusalem. The Bible says Jesus took captives in his train when he returned to Heaven. That's exciting. I wish it would've been me in the train. Oh well. I'll be patient. :)
  • Jordyn - In Reply on John 15 - 5 months ago
    Shabbat Keeper:

    I know the two resurrection you speak of, most believe what you believe.

    The word speaks of Christ resurrection, then the resurrection of those who never believe that were raised with Christ.

    Colossians 3:1 ... if ye be RISEN with Christ ....

    Ephesians 2:6 .... and hath RAISED US us up together ....

    Isaiah 26:19 .... TOGETHER with my dead body shall they ARISE ....

    Hosea 6:2 ..... in the third day he will raise US UP .......

    The saints that arose with Christ, were the Old Testament saints that had died in faith, but had never receive their promise of eternal life.

    Those: in Revelation under the alter clothed in white are the Old saints awaiting their promise, eternal life, by their resurrection of Christ.

    These are the 144,000 raised with Christ, the firstfruits of the resurrection.

    Hebrews 11:39 And these all, havlng obtained a good report through faith, received not the PROMISE (eternal life).

    Hebrews 11:40 Christ having provided some BETTER THING FOR US (never having to die and wait in the grave), that they WITHOUT US should not be made PERFECT (by our resurrection as one).

    Hebrews 5:9 ...and having been made perfect .... by our resurrection as one ....

    Philippians 3:15 Let us therefore who be perfect (by our resurrection as one), be thus minded: and if in any thing you be otherwise mined, God shall reveal even this to you.

    God Bless YOU!
  • Jordyn - In Reply on John 15 - 5 months ago
    Brother CharlesSaw:

    The problem with the question of eternal security lies in having NO KNOWLEDGE of God's WORD.

    If one deeply studies the PROPHECIES, one will see that at some point in the ages to come all the tribes of Israel are going to once again exit.

    BUT, in this AGE he is ONLY calling out the PREISTHOOD, the house of David, the kind of firstfruits as is the tribe of Judah, lawgivers that will rule and reign and serve him when he resurrects all the DEAD back to there bodies of flesh and blood.

    If one studies under the spirit of truth, you find these prophecies in the blessings of Israel to his twelve sons, from the beginning the tribe of Judah was CHOSEN to be God's lawgiver. The blessing on the remaining tribes will be fulfilled after all the lawgivers are put in place.

    Isaiah, Ezekiel, Zachariah, and Revelation all prophesy ONLY a PART will be save in this age, one third (probably symbolic) since other prophecies seem to say ONE TENTH, the tithe to God, those without blemish being sacrificed with Christ on HIS CROSS.

    You find this in the blessings of Jacob and Esau.

    Hebrews 11:20 By faith Isaac blessed Jacob and Esau CONCERNING THINGS TO COME.

    There are TWO DEATHS, TWO RESURRECTION and TWO JUDGEMENTS,

    The first death and resurrection is those SAVED in this AGE, the ones Christ CAUSES TO BELIEVE in this AGE, they are being judged by the words of God.

    1 Timothy 4:10 ... who is the SAVIOUR of ALL MEN (not necessarily in this AGE), especially THOSE (in this AGE) that BELIEVE.

    Isaiah 6:13 But yet in it (the land) shall be a tenth, and it (the tenth) shall be eaten (same as Christ is eaten, eat the words and digest them) as a teil tree, and as an oak, whose substance (CHRIST) IS IN THEM, when they cast their leaves (administer judgement), so the HOLY SEED shall be the substance thereof.

    Obadiah 1:21 And SAVIOURS (those conformed to the image of Christ) SHALL COME upon Mt, Zion to JUDGE the house of ESAU

    and the Kingdom shall be the LORDS.


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