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  • Richard H Priday - 2 months ago
    Happy New Year

    We have all come another day closer to the return of Christ. Isaiah 51:6 and other verses in Psalms refer to the earth waxing old like a garment; but as Job said there will be a resurrection and we shall see Him in our own flesh ( Job 19:26 and surrounding verses). The suffering of the saints which is part of God's purging process in our own lives will come to an end; certainly if Paul with the immense suffering promised him in Acts 9:16 could state that sufferings now are no comparison to what is to come ( Romans 8:18) heaven is too wonderful for words.

    Whatever is left will be restored during the Millennium so that people can live fulfilled long lives in a peaceful existence. The earth will produce its fruit in abundance and Satan will be restrained. Only this will bring about the end of war ( Isaiah 2:4).

    I will be the first to admit; and I doubt that I'm the only one that it seems almost a cruel joke to hold on to such hope; especially in regard to the Rapture which was rather obsessed over in the 1970s and 1980s and today hardly discussed in traditional church settings. We have come to a point where it is not discussed in church; but there are numerous online sites which are pretty much obsessed with the topic and endless dreams and visions that individuals are supposed to have had on the issue. It is hard to imagine just how great it will be not to have Satan and his emissaries like a spider with tentacles removed from what is now a chokehold on almost everything in the world today. Nonetheless we have a cloud of witnesses ( Heb. 12:1) which are of every saint who has died since the time of Christ and in fact some are the "first of the firstfruits" as it were of the O.T. saints resurrected in Matthew 27:52 and 53.

    To imagine society without the violence and lawlessness of today is a stretch. When Christ comes to rule with a rod of iron He will also be just (see Isaiah 11:3 and other verses). Today may He reign in our hearts.
  • GiGi - In Reply - 2 months ago
    Giannis,

    I am glad to have you back once again. No need to explain to me about your circumstances. I am just happy to hear from you!

    God has blessed us with yet another day and the beginning of another year. May we all be fruitful unto the Lord in our daily lives.

    Thank you for your prayers for my family members. I know that God hears all or our prayers and is more than able to answer to our requests, especially for the salvation of ones we pray to be saved.

    There is a reason for God tarrying in answering some of our requests, and I trust Him in all things. There also is a reason we have been instructed to persevere in prayer for answers to come and to bring every concern to the Lord in prayer. I am keeping these things in mind and practice as much as I can.

    Have a good day, Giannis. Looking forward to hearing from you soon.
  • Momsage - 2 months ago
    Sorry for the inconvenience everyone but please ignore this comment. It needs correction. I posted it to soon. LOL
  • Momsage - In Reply - 2 months ago
    I mean please ignore parts 5,6,7 of my latest comments. They need corrections. Thanks, God bless :)
  • Momsage - 2 months ago
    Parts 1-4 coming soon
  • Momsage - 2 months ago
    PART 5

    This situation and others like it are not disobeying the Sabbath. But if you get a part time job helping your fiend with his moving business on The Sabbath, this is disobeying the Sabbath. If you need the extra money, pray and God will provide it to you without you having to break the Sabbath. Remember David and his feeding his men the shewbread. ( 1 Sam. 21: 1-6). It wasn't something he did all the time, it was something of need at the time. The same with Christ feeding his disciples from the cornfield on the sabbath ( Matt. 12:21) or someone pulling their ox out of a ditch on the sabbath ( Luke 14:5). So the Holy Spirit is telling us to not let others "judge" you for this kind of behavior on the Sabbath. It does not say to no longer keep this day Holy.

    Corinthians 16:2, "On the first day of every week, each one of you should set aside a sum of money in keeping with his income, saving it up, so that when I come no collections will have to be made.

    Excuse me but how-in-the-world does this scripture indicate that the church met on Sunday? Paul is asking them at the beginning of each week to set aside an amount of money for whatever so this won't have to be bothered with when he visits them again. This is not work and he certainly doesn't say for them to switch to Sundays to have church until he comes. Please use some discernment.

    Colossians 2:14 & 16 "Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross." Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days." God did give Moses statues and ordinances for instructions on His 10 commandments to give to the Jews but they eventually added foolish ones of their own. Verses 14 explains this by calling these ordinances that were "against" them and which caused the Jews much confusion in following the real laws of God and Moses.
  • Momsage - 2 months ago
    PART 6

    OTHER VERSES OF IMPORTANCE:

    1 Corinthians 16:" Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come." This can't be the Sabbath, Paul is asking them to do work.

    Romans 14:5 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight. Question? Does your church only meet on Sunday to fellowship and hear preaching and teaching? Is Sunday the only day of the week you might hear preaching from the minister? This verse just tells of believers gathering on Sunday to fellowship and listen to Paul preach because he had to leave the next day which was the Sabbath.

    ( Col. 2:14 & 16 God." Blotting out the handwriting of ORDINANCES (my caps) that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to His cross; Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or the new moon or of the sabbath days: In the 10 Commandments of God there is only 1 day that God commanded us to keep hollowed out for Him for our good; the sabbath. There were other sabbath days during festivals that were not all on Saturday but were kept during the festivals that were a week or longer. These were sabbath dayS. The statues and ordinances in Moses' laws is what this verse is talking about but, not the commandment, if you don't agree with me and believe it is talking about the last day of the week, let me give you an example of this verse's meaning: A friend calls you on a Saturday and says he needs your help right away moving some things out of a garage he was storing them in because the person who owns the garage said if he doesn't do it immediately they were going to haul it all of to the dump. So you help your friend move his things. A lot of work, that took some time.
  • Momsage - 2 months ago
    PART 7

    HISTORICAL EYEWITNESS OF CONSTANTINE AND THE CATHOLIC CHURCH CHANGING THE SABBATH TO SUNDAY.

    *"The Catholic Encyclopedia is the most comprehensive resource on Catholic teaching, history, and information ever gathered in all of human history. This easy-to-search online version, was originally printed between 1907 and 1912 in fifteen hard copy volumes."

    "The Bible says "remember" that thou keep holy the Sabbath day. The Catholic church says No! By my divine power I abolish the Sabbath day and command you to keep holy the first day of the week. And low

    the entire civilized world bows down in reverent obedience to the command of the holy Catholic church." American Sentinel, Father Enright, June 1893

    "The primitive Christians did keep the Sabbath of the Jews before the Christians, for a long time together, did keep their convocations upon the Sabbath in which some portions of the law were read: and this continued TILL the time of the Laodician council." The Whole Works Of Jeremy Taylor, Vol. IX p416.

    "Constantine published the Edict of Milan, granting freedom of religion in the empire and establishing Sunday as a day of worship." Collier Encyclopedia

    vol 7, p. 212

    "It was the holy Catholic Church that changed the day of rest from Saturday to Sunday, the 1st day of the week. And it not only compelled all to keep Sunday, but at the Council of Ladiocea, AD 364, anathematized (cursed) those who kept the Sabbath and urged all persons to labor on the 7th day under penalty of anathema (excommunication)." Catholic Priest T. Enright, CSSR, Kansas City, MO
  • Momsage - In Reply - 2 months ago
    Hello Giannis: I appreciate your comments but I politely disagree with both. The names (not quotes) you gave me were Catholics not Christians. Big difference. If you don't mind, would you be able to respond with quotes to show historical proof of what you say.

    Galatians 4: 9-11 Again this deals with the corruption of the laws, statues and ordinances that Moses gave; the Laws of Moses, not the Commandments of God. Moses' laws were done away with through the Cross, Jesus summed up the Commandments of God into 2, Matthew 22: 37-40 "Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. (First 4 of God's commandments) And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. (Last 6 of God's commandments). On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets." Verse 40 is referring to the real laws and words from the prophets that God gave, not the corrupted versions of the people. Just like today as most people use the modern translations of the bible written by men instead of the one true translation written by the Holy Spirit. Those true believers who go to church on Sunday and read modern versions of the bible are doing NO wrong, not unless God has revealed the truth to them and they deny it. I'm not talking about these discussions I am presenting to this group, as being revealed to you, I am talking about a real conviction of the Holy Spirit as I have received. Those experiences are between the believer and God, but I won't remain silent on the subjects either. God Bless :)

    PS As I said, these postings were premature. They need corrections. More later.
  • Giannis - In Reply - 2 months ago
    Hello Momsage.

    It was not the Catholic church that established Sunday instead of Sabbath. Untill 1054 AD when the scism/split between the Western Catholic Church and the Eastern Ortodox Church occured, the church was a united universal church. That church came as continuation of the first church and kept many of the traditions and ordinances of that early church. Apart from the Bible there are many other writtings of early christians who wrote about Sunday. Some of them are: Justin the Martyr (100-165 AD), Ignatius of Antioch (50-120/140 AD), The Epistle of Barnabas (70-130 AD), The Teachings of the 12 Apostles (Didascalia Apostolorum) 70-200 AD

    Galatians 4:9-11, "But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage? Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years. I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain."
  • Momsage - In Reply - 2 months ago
    "Hello Giannis: I appreciate your comments but I politely disagree with both. The names (not quotes) you gave me were Catholics not Christians. Big difference. If you don't mind, would you be able to respond with quotes to show historical proof of what you say.

    Galatians 4: 9-11 Again this deals with the corruption of the laws, statues and ordinances that Moses gave; the Laws of Moses, not the Commandments of God. Moses' laws were done away with through the Cross, Jesus summed up the Commandments of God into 2, Matthew 22: 37-40 "Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. (First 4 of God's commandments) And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. (Last 6 of God's commandments). On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets." Verse 40 is referring to the real laws and words from the prophets that God gave, not the corrupted versions of the people. Just like today as most people use the modern translations of the bible written by men instead of the one true translation written by the Holy Spirit. Those true believers who go to church on Sunday and read modern versions of the bible are doing NO wrong, not unless God has revealed the truth to them and they deny it. I'm not talking about these discussions I am presenting to this group, as being revealed to you, I am talking about a real conviction of the Holy Spirit as I have received. Those experiences are between the believer and God, but I won't remain silent on the subjects either. God Bless :)

    PS As I said, these postings were premature. They need corrections. More later."

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  • Momsage - In Reply - 2 months ago
    I posted them by mistake. I wasn't done proofreading them. Sorry for the confusion.
  • Momsage - In Reply - 2 months ago
    Hi GiGi: I'm a little confused. Where did Barnabas 15:9 come from? Also, could you help me out and provide historical proof of what you are saying? You reference way back in history which you could only have gotten from historical records so I'd love to read them. I know you have been studying for years so please excuse me for picking your brain.

    These are the quotes I used in my discussion with Chris. Please tell me why these are not authentic?

    "Constantine published the Edict of Milan, granting freedom of religion in the empire and establishing Sunday a day of worship"

    Collier Encyclopedia, vol 7, p. 212

    "It was the Holy Catholic Church that changed the day of rest form Saturday to Sunday, the first day of the week. And it not only compelled all to keep Sunday, but at the Council of Laodician, AD 364, anathematized (cursed) those who kept the Sabbath and urged all persons to labor on the 7th day under penalty of anathema (excommunication.)" Catholic Priest T. Enright, CSSRR, Kansas city, Mo

    "The Bible says remember that thou keep holy the Sabbath day. The Catholic Church says No! By my divine power I abolish the Sabbath day and command you to keep holy the first day of the week. and low the entire civilized world bows down in reverent obedience to the command of the Holy Catholic Church." American Sentinel, Father Enright, 1893

    God Bless :)
  • GiGi - In Reply - 2 months ago
    Hello again, Momsage,

    You can look up the "Epistle of Barnabas" for more information. It was written in the 1st 100 years of the church.

    It is a different document than the "Gospel of Barnabas" which was written in the Middle Ages and is heretical.

    Hope this helps.
  • Momsage - In Reply - 2 months ago
    I'm so sorry GiGi but I thought these discussions were based on the inspired Word of God - the King James Bible. I don't understand how you can quote someone outside the KJB. That is the authority here, not some obscure document that wasn't canonized. I'm confused why the people in charge of this discussion forum allowed references from a false document that was not from the KJB. How can I trust anything in any discussion anymore. Please don't misunderstand me, I think you are a very nice, smart woman but I am going to get out of here now.
  • Jema - In Reply - 2 months ago
    I understand your frustration Momsage , I too am extremely irritated when people put too much importance on what other , ordinary people say and think about the Bible as if they are in some way superior in knowledge to any of us . We are all reading the same book so any knowledge from that book is available for all of us to read and understand . All that is required is dedication patience and prayer and any of us can know the Truth . Humans have always tried to add or subtract from the Word of God , claiming to know or understand things better than others , as if they have some mystical gift , basically trying to make themselves into something special when all we need to know us available to all in the Bible . This is why many churches , especially in the past , did not encourage their congregation to actually read the Bible for themselves . I wish you would stay with us , I notice that you talk a lot about one particular subject , the Sabbath , it would be interesting to talk about other aspects of the Bible also :) it's a big book so there's plenty to talk about . I have often felt like never reading this site ever again but , hopefully you will cool down and come back , I always do :) . It can feel a bit as if everyone is against you on here sometimes but I handle that by not reading the posts of people that I know don't like me much :) it works wonders :):):) . Hope you will pop back and have a chat soon , maybe try a different subject ? Much love in Christ .
  • Momsage - In Reply - 2 months ago
    Hi Jema: I know I'm a bit late replying to this but I just now read the whole thread of what happened and I am so glad you and GiGi and Giannis are good to go with each other and I'm sorry my reaction was so strong and I caused trouble. I'm trying not to do that again. I am back to discussing the Sabbath with Giannis again, unless he doesn't want to then I won't. The only reason I continue to discuss the Sabbath is because (I'm not insulting Giannis, only stating my perception of these discussions and why I'm hanging on like a Pitbull LOL.) I don't feel like he has responded to my questions about why he believes that the breaking of bread can only mean the weekly service of the Early Church - that there can be no other possible interpretation. All his beliefs in the Early Church abandoning the Sabbath for Sunday worship are based on the breaking of bread premise that it had to only mean that it refers to the weekly meeting of the Early Church. Some scriptures do state that the Church met on the first day of the week, Sunday but that could just simply mean the church met on Sunday at different times other then on the Sabbath just as churches meet on different days today. For example, John 20:19 (the Church gathered together on the first day of the week because they were afraid of the Jews, not because it was time for church.) Giannis also used historical writings to back up his belief that the Early Church stopped worshipping on the Sabbath and I couldn't agree to that. (Giannis if you read this post, please don't think I am talking behind your back. I would never do that I am just trying to explain why I haven't given up on the Sabbath.) He asked me to provide scripture that validated they didn't give up on the Sabbath and I gave him a lot but he just wouldn't accept them with no real response why. All you have to do read these few and you can see that the Early church was keeping the Sabbath holy.. Acts 17:2, Acts 13:14, Acts 15:21, Acts 18:4. God Bless :)
  • Momsage - In Reply - 2 months ago
    Hi Jema. Your comment made me so sad. What you expressed is the exact result of why the Sabbath was abolished by Satan. Not that what you're doing is sin, I just mean the result of Christians abandoning this commandment to live the privilege of having this day of rest every week is no longer believed it can even be lived because of his deceitfulness, but it can. May I say, please stop wishing for it and start praying instead :) and believing for it. God knows in your heart you want to obey Him in this and He WILL make a way. Of Course, I don't know what things keep you so busy that you can't find this rest but I do know a good, good, God who gives us the desires of our hearts, especially, when it is a desire to please Him in obedience. If you understand God's intentions for this commandment you will understand that it was commanded and told to be "remembered" for our own special needs as a human. God knew that a day to rest with Him and family and at times Christian friends in fellowship would refresh us mentally, physically and spiritually until He returns. ALL of the 10 commandments were given to mankind until the end. We obey all of them except the 4th. Some believers say Sunday is suppose to be that day. This is fine but they imply the commandment was given for fellowship and worship like a church service when all God asked was for us to rest on that dayn to cease from our labor. The early church did follow the Sabbath, resting from their labor and also gathering together to break bread and worship. What better day to do that and also be in obedience to God then on the Sabbath? I'm not going to pray that God will grant your wish, but answer your prayer in providing this blessing for you. As you pray, just believe and let God do the work, don't try to figure it out for yourself as we are all so tempted to do. I love you dear sister and I look forward to seeing what God has planned for you. Jerimiah 29:11 God Bless :)
  • Bennymkje - In Reply - 2 months ago
    Momsage,

    I am surprised that you still hold on "ALL of the 10 commandments were given to mankind until the end. We obey all of them except the 4th. Some believers say Sunday is suppose to be that day."

    Jesus Christ is the fulfillment of the Law and his death and resurrection opened the Way. It is what we believe as entering into the rest of God. But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away."(1 Co.13:10) How often so called believers though claim to the liberty which is in Christ carry, also their 'baggage' as Rachel did. (Ge.31:34) so Roman Catholics may leave behind Mariolatry but clutch something else. In all humility I ask you to examine your life in order to see if you are struggling under an error. In the 80s I was with a cult group and a decade or so after leaving it it gave me great many shocks their pernicious teachings could spring up in unguarded moments.

    Jesus reduced the ten commandments into two. He did it as the Lord of the heaven and as the Word become flesh. The great dragon had ten horns and the Command number 10 merely an indication of judgment. Satan is already judged. Similarly the beast (Re.13:1). "Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;/Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;" (1 Ti.4:1-4) It is thus those who follow doctrine of the devils have their consciences seared as with hot iron: Number Ten. Be not deceived Momsage.

    "Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified."(Gal.2:16) Faith means resting in the promises of God. This is what abiding in Christ means.
  • Momsage - In Reply - 2 months ago
    If I'm misunderstanding what you are saying, I apologize. But if not, I find your comments very harsh and insulting to me as a true believer in Christ. To accuse me of these harsh things is hard to understand just because I am sure God intended for mankind to take a day off once a week and rest. I can't possible understand how you can believe the 10 commandments are not perfect, written by the hand of a perfect God. They are only given for the good of mankind from a good God. Jesus did give the 2 new commandments but he just simply combined the 10 into 2. The first one tells us to love God with all our hearts, minds and souls, this covers the first 4 of the 10; worship the one true God, do not use His name as a cuss word, don't worship false gods, and devote one day a week to rest in Him. The second one covers the last 6 which deals with treating your fellowman with how you would want to be treated; honor your parents, don't kill (ratsach: murder, slay) (even in your heart as Jesus also added), no adulatry (including in your heart as Jesus also added), no stealing, no lying ( little or big) and no coveting.

    I was very hesitant to reply to you because of the unkind way you expressed your opinion, I wanted to ignore you, but I didn't because others will read your reply and I feel, in righteous indignation. that I need to debunk what you have accused me of. If you are going to accuse someone of being a heretic and holding on to garbage learned in a cult (I was never in a cult) you are being insulting and should not be on this forum which calls for kindness and love. You didn't do that. I am a true Christian, dedicated to my precious Lord and I do live my life as He would want me to based only on His word, and please don't come back with a snarky "you must think your perfect then," because I'm not. I do have my weaknesses and faults (not sins) but the Holy Spirit is always helping me to overcome them and is helping me to grow in the Lord. Again, if I am wrong, sorry.
  • Rainwalker - In Reply - 2 months ago
    Hey Momsage, it is an exercise in futility. You see my "unkindness" earlier in this? As was mentioned before, you can tell the vast wisdom of scriptual "enlightenment" that some on here have acquired? Oh yes, massive dissertations, pages of deep understanding into the deepest depths of scripture. Knowledge far surpassing any of us, "childlike" people. 2 Peter 3:16 comes to mind. So smart and can't even discern Paul's teachings about the ceremonial law and the moral law. Shake the dust off your feet, I've been through this before, they too scared to walk out in faith in this truth, simple as that. Too busy "explaining" it away, the ONE commandment that starts with remember, these highly "skilled" deep thinking bible "scholars" try to teach people to forget. So be it, the Lord will judge.
  • Momsage - In Reply - 2 months ago
    Hi Rainwalker:

    Last night when I read your reply, I had considered going on with the discussions for the sake of others who might be helped by them, but when I read the usual replies refusing to accept the 4th commandment as a command from God, and still calling it an abolished law I am convinced you are right, although, I would have said it in a kinder way. Anyway, I just received a reply from Giannis and I have said "no more" because it is getting to heated and I am being accused of saying things I didn't say. Giannis is by brother in the Lord and I don't want our discussions to be more then a back and forth conversation with each other truly listening to the other side and answering concerns and questions with scripture and Godly common sense. I did ask him if he wanted to discuss the topic listed below or if not to start a discussion about something else. So I have taken your advise and have ended the "Sabbath" discussions that are addressed to me.

    If I asked you to comment on what you think of Israel, if they are special to God, especially with what is going on now, is that ok or to heavy of a subject?
  • Rainwalker - In Reply - 2 months ago
    No subject is "too heavy", I mean really it's kinda simple sometimes. My response to Israel would simply be, Col 3:11, neither jew or gentile, Gal 3:28.. praying for the "peace of jerusalem " is old testament, where the new testament is "thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven". Galatians opened my eyes about "Israel".. cast out the bondwoman.. you know, the allegory Paul speaks of in detail.
  • Momsage - In Reply - 2 months ago
    Thanks. I'll have to do some studying on what you said before I reply. Please be kind to me, I'm a very sensitive soul. LOL. I look forward to talking with you.

    God Bless :)
  • Rainwalker - In Reply - 2 months ago
    I love brothers and sisters in Christ, these know it all scripture twisters are the ones that stir up my indignation. These "scholars" that hide behind out of context scriptures. Love in Christ to you.
  • Momsage - In Reply - 2 months ago
    Hi Jema. I have to say I honestly don't understand your reasoning. If the 10 commandments were only for the Jews, then why do Gentiles obey 9 of them even today? You say to love God and others "hang on all the laws and prophets (which is true) then you negate that by saying they were only for the Jews?? Also, you and others in thus discussion keep calling the Commandments of God laws. They are not laws, those were the statues, ordinances and laws God gave to Moses to expand on the Commandments for the Jews to fully understand. If these Commandment and what He gave Moses weren't for the Gentils of the OT then what justification did God have to punish the heathen Gentils? He had justification because there were always men who believed and lived Godly lives from the time of Adam to tell them and show them. After the Commandments and laws were given they knew even more of God and who He was. Christ became the one and only needed sacrificial Lamb for our salvation, so, of course, sacrificial laws were done away with but, obviously, the 10 Comandments weren't. If you don't believe the 2 new Commandments that Jesus gave us don't teach us the same as the 10 Commandments then please give me a scriptural reason why and explain why we still obey them today. The reason the Commandments weren't laws is because laws can be rewritten, added to or abolished but the Commandments were written by God with His own hand and they can't be treated as laws unless mankind disobediently tries to unsuccessfully. My point about this whole discussion with everyone is God commands us to take a good, relaxing rest one day a week. It is a wonderful command. Way do believers not want to obey it? You can if you trust God to make the way.

    What do you think, in the light of the scripture, is going to happen to Israel and the Jews?

    God Bless :)
  • Jema - In Reply - 2 months ago
    Dear Momsage , as I've said before , I admire your passion for this subject but , may I suggest that you may have neglected other parts of the Bible in your zeal for this one subject ? Amos Ch 3 V 1+2 . The Bible is a whole and scripture supports and illuminates scripture . I have never said that anyone should ignore any of the ten commandments . Have you read the book of Galatians ? Ch 3 is especially helpful in this subject . I'm not much of a person to get into big debates , but there are plenty on here who enjoy that sort of thing , maybe you should direct your posts to them . Much love to you in Christ .
  • Momsage - In Reply - 2 months ago
    I am sorry Jema, I didn't mean to bombard you, I was just answering you.

    Two short replies I believe I need to tell you and I won't expect a reply.

    The Commandments were not LAWS. They were commands written by God not to be disobeyed. If they are the laws you say that we are no longer expected to obey them then why do we? None of you have ever answered that question.

    MERRIAN-WEBSTER DICTIONARY

    Bewitched:

    controlled or affected by or as if by a magic spell

    influenced, attracted, or charmed as if by magic

    The only criteria you have for saying I am bewitched is just because I believe the 4th commandment needs to be obeyed and believers should take one day of rest from their labors each week. Your implication that I am bewitched seems kind of harsh and unloving but maybe I've misunderstood your meaning. Anyway, I will end this discussion on the subject of the Sabbath and if I reply to any of your other discussions on this forum, I'll be sure to keep it short. I do understand where you are coming from, my daughter is the same way. God Bless :)
  • Jema - In Reply - 2 months ago
    In V 26-28 of Galatians Ch 3 , it says that the Galatians are : the children of God by faith in Christ , one in Christ and Abraham's seed according to the promise , yet you chose to pick out bewitched and infer that I was calling you bewitched , which I was not .
  • Momsage - In Reply - 2 months ago
    Jema: if you look back at your reply you will see that you only referenced Gal. 3, not any verses, which is why I responded to verse 1 as I did and I said there was a possibility I had misunderstood which I did. I have decided to not discuss the Sabbath anymore as you may know. I love you dearly as a sister in the Lord and I hope this terrible misunderstanding will be forgotten and we can continue to communicate with each other in the love of Christ. Have a blessed day. :)


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