Bible Discussion PAGE 7

  • Missy Joe Allen on Isaiah 47
    American Babylon, Lady of the kingdoms, Idolatrous Lady Liberty reared up Image, of False freedom.

    Bald Eagle bird as the symbol and emblem of the country who built her nest among the stars, of the star bangled banner flag they wave,

    wandering stars of Hellywood, full of witchcraft and sorcery, watching over the Ramparts, surrounded by the sea walls, whose Pride hath decieved them. Who hath Fallen and become the habitation of dEVILS and every unclean and hateful BIRD. Her sins hath reached unto heaven and God hath remembered her inquities and will reward her double. The Sea shall come upon Babylon with the waves roaring and she shalt be burnt with Fire.
  • Wesley Masterson - in Reply
    S. Spencer,

    Yes, there is a lot to think about here. The more I know about the millennium, the more I know I don't know about the millennium. It begins a new age and the story isn't understood using common sense. For instance, the saints in the millennium were resurrected, born again, of Spirit, Christ-like beings, so why all the fighting? The plausible answer is they are now fighting the spirit world, and the devil has no place among the incorruptible, and is extinguished forever. I think God made the hereafter descriptions vague because he wanted us to focus on the prophets and the Gospels.

    I have trouble with a rapture theory where the church (Christians) worldwide is removed through divine intervention, before the great tribulation, and presumably resurrected. Jesus said you will find the "taken" where the vultures circle over, so they are dead bodies.

    -Rapture is not in the lexicon, it's not established doctrine, and if it were established, there would be many detailed accounts of these events. There are none such accounts, only conjecture. I wouldn't call it standing on solid ground.

    -(Revelation 6:10-11) The OT saints are asking how long till judgment, and are told to wait till after the sealed saints die, at the seventh trumpet (Revelation 11:12). This is the first resurrection of the great tribulation saints.

    -(1 Thessalonians 4:13-18) is the one of the most manipulated scriptures assisting rapturists, but this occurs at the last trumpet (Revelation 11:12).

    -As the one hundred forty four thousand sealed of the Christian elite are being sealed, billions of living Christians are raptured to heaven so they won't suffer their appointed death? What is the point?

    -Why are living Christians counted among the firstfruits, and not the billions who died in Christ?

    -The first resurrection is only the one hundred forty four thousand saints.

    -The second resurrection is for everyone else.
  • Fred Idehen on Ephesians 4:29
    Like things that talk about God's world i want to know more about God's world
  • Jesse - in Reply on Hebrews 6
    Ron,

    Hebrews 6:4-6 is a section that many use to say you can lose your salvation. But it is not talking about losing salvation. Salvation cannot be lost. You have to understand that these were Hebrew/Jewish people who were following along with the believers and partaking in the teachings along with the believers. But they never were saved so there was no salvation to be lost.

    Think about it this way. There are many people who pack our churches every Sunday. But not all who go to church are saved individuals. A person has to receive Christ and be born of His Spirit in order to be saved. Now, those individuals in the church who have never received Christ, they may look and act like believers, and yet be void of the indwelling Spirit in their lives.

    You and I might think they are saved because they go to church and speak the lingo, and might even say amen on occasion but still never received Christ. So after many years of going to church, they had enough and walked away forever. Did they lose their salvation? No, they were never saved, to begin with.

    That is the same thing we see in Hebrews chapter 6. Those Hebrew people were in with the crown and partaking of the same things the believers were partaking of, but they did not take that next step of surrendering their life to Christ. They were being enlightened to the truth, but an enlightened person does not mean they are a saved person. A person can be enlightened to the truth, and still, never receive Christ. They didn't surrender because of the persecution that they would have to go through if they denounced Judaism and received Christ as their Messiah.

    So instead of surrendering their life to Christ, they turned away and went back into Judaism. It was much easier for them to do that than surrender to Christ. But they were never saved, so there was no salvation to be lost!
  • Lost 1 on 1 Corinthians 6:13
    -I have committed at least half of those sins in verse , and that was after i knew better let me say to all those who are dabbling in alcohol, drugs and being immoral its not worth it, your reputation, your self esteem once gone is hard to so very hard to get back, then lies people will lie to about you and people will believe it because why not you done all kind of other things. But worse of all you might begin to doubt your salvation and that is not a place that you want to be, because you might like i did realize late in life that you wasted time, because only what we do for Christ matters. Stay in the word and if you stray get back into it immediately.
  • Jesse - in Reply
    Laura,

    What I am saying is that when we die, our spirit leaves our body. In fact, the word death literally means separation. A believer's spirit separates from their physical body and immediately goes to be with the Lord. Paul says in 2 Corinthians 5:8 that to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord.

    Right now, the Lord's with us but we're not with Him in heaven. But as soon as we are absent from the body, as soon as we experience death which means separation, as soon as our spirit leaves our body, we're in the presence of the Lord.

    There's no "soul sleep." There are no in-between phases. Paul says I'd rather be out of this body and present with the Lord. But in the meantime, while we're here, we live by faith. We live by the Spirit of God!

    As far as heaven being man, I know nothing about that. I've never heard that before. Heaven is a place, not a person.
  • S Spencer - in Reply
    Hello.

    I believe the question was What are characteristics traits needed to be a prayer warrior today as it relates to prayer?

    Not do they exist, and yes we do humble ourselves when we come to the Lord.

    and no it's not a special office. Whether you call it prayer warrior or one who prays it's all the same, We pray in the spirit and let the Lords will be done.

    James 5:17. Elias was A MAN SUBJECT TO LIKE PASSIONS AS WE ARE, and he prayed earnestly that it might not rain:

    A " Prayer warrior " is a man subject to like passions as any one else who prays.

    There is no partiality between the two.

    That shouldn't be offensive unless you give it some merit.

    Anything we do for the Lord has to be done through the Lord,

    Any gift we have has to be given by the Lord, and those gifts differ.

    Prayer is what we're all asked to do. If you want to call it prayer warriors, then we're all prayer warriors.

    You can't get merit for it by attaching warrior to it when you're praying in the spirit.

    Romans 8:26. Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.

    And by the way it haven't been a war in the Bible by God's people that God haven't won himself. In fact if they went to war with out him behind them, they lost!!

    God is warrior, we put on the Amour and let him fight the battle.

    This is why I mentioned humidity.

    God bless.
  • Philip Christian Parks on Psalms 18
    Ps. 18:6 = Here, the term "temple" speaks of GOD's Heavenly, Holy, Palatial Dwelling Place. The same Hebrew word ("heykal"; pro-nounced "hay-KAWL") also translates into "palace" fifteen times in the Old Testament.

    When the word "temple" identifies a literal temple building, certain distinguishing verbal indicators are used such as "the temple of The LORD" or the designation "holy temple". Often the use of the definite article "the" serves the same purpose to refer to the actual temple. If the Scripture provides a geographical location such as "Jerusalem" or "Babylon" (e.g. Ezra 5:14), an actual temple structure is meant.
  • Don Wilkes
    What happens when we die?
  • Don Wilkes
    Is there different levels of heaven?
  • Osas Ramos de Siqueira - in Reply
    Greetings, S Spencer

    THREE UNCLEAN SPIRITS LIKE FROGS

    Revelation 16:v.13-16

    13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the Dragon, and out of the mouth of the Beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.

    14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that Great Day of God Almighty. - The Lord's Day -

    16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.

    15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.

    Why do Scriptures highlight these spirits as frogs? Why frogs? This is an interesting mystery. Here goes what was revealed unto me about this deep mystery.



    You all know that, in general, frogs are amphibians vertebrate animals that live between the aquatic environment and the terrestrial environment.

    THE AQUATIC ENVIRONMENT OF EVIL SPIRITS LIKE FROGS

    Bringing the true assertions above to the spiritual side and for our understanding according Scriptures, we need to quote first Revelation 17:v.15, that says:

    15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.

    As we can see, the verse 15 above shows us, or rather, reveals us the AQUATIC ENVIRONMENT of these spirits of demons like frogs which guide the peoples or rule nations of all tongues in whole earth, through all kind of devilish systems, as religious systems(catholicism, and spiritism, budhism, islamism, among others), and political systems, and military systems, and social and cultural systems, among others systems. In fact, Satan goes to and fro and from walking up and down among them.

    The biblical interpretation above is about spirit like frog that infested waters according Revelation 17:v.15.

    What is THE TERRESTRIAL ENVIRONMENT OF THE EVIL SPIRITS LIKE FROGS?
  • S Spencer - in Reply on Genesis 28
    Hi Moyinoluwa.

    It's a lot to the Jacob and Essau than what meets the Eye, ( Highly Spiritual.)

    For lack of better terms here is the root of the story behind them.

    Genesis 25:23. And the LORD said unto her, Two nations are in thy womb, and two manner of people shall be separated from thy bowels; and the one people shall be stronger than the other people; and the elder shall serve the younger.

    Romans 9:11-13. (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, THAT THE PURPOSE OF GOD ACCORDING TO ELECTION MIGHT STAND, not of works, but of him that calleth;)

    It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.

    As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

    Jacob had a spiritual discernment that Esau did not have. Esau was a man of the flesh and did not care for spiritual things. In fact, he so discounted his birthright that he traded it to Jacob for a bowl of soup!

    These 2 brothers not only represents 2 nations but also spiritually God's elected way " His purpose GRACE "= ( JACOB )

    ESAU represents man's self righteousness and perhaps worldliness, flesh. thinking his inheritance is earned by being born 1st.. BUT GODS WAY BEING 1ST BORN DOESN'T GIVE YOU THE BIRTH RIGHT. IT'S THE SECOND BIRTH THAT IS ALL IMPORTANT!!

    All through the scripture you see this pattern, 1st Adam 2nd Adam, Ephraim and Manassah, And ourselves Being born again. This is one of many Allegories in the Bible.

    GOD'S ELECTED WAY IS GRACE.

    Romans 9:11. For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand,

    ( NOT OF WORKS, )

    but of him that calleth.

    God bless.
  • Esau39s Folly and Cains curse
    Genesis 27:41

    And Esau hated Jacob because of the blessing wherewith his father blessed him: and Esau said IN HIS HEART, The days of mourning for my father are at hand; then will I SLAY my brother Jacob.

    Romans 9:13

    As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

    Malachi 1:3

    And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.

    Obadiah 1:18

    And the house of Jacob shall be a fire, and the house of Joseph a flame, and the house of Esau for stubble, and they shall kindle in them, and devour them; and there shall not be any remaining of the house of Esau; for the LORD hath spoken it.

    KJV Commentary: Esau

    Hairy, Rebekah's first-born twin son (Gen. 25:25). The name of" "Edom, "red", was also given to him from his conduct in" "connection with the red lentil "pottage" for which he sold his" "birthright (30, 31). The circumstances connected with his birth" foreshadowed the enmity which afterwards subsisted between the "twin brothers and the nations they founded (25:22, 23, 26). In" "process of time JACOB following his natural bent, became a" "shepherd; while Esau, a "son of the desert," devoted himself to" the perilous and toilsome life of a huntsman. On a certain "occasion, on returning from the chase, urged by the cravings of" "hunger, Esau sold his birthright to his brother, Jacob, who" "thereby obtained the covenant blessing (Gen. 27:28, 29, 36; Heb." "12:16, 17). He afterwards tried to regain what he had so" "recklessly parted with, but was defeated in his attempts through" "the stealth of his brother (Gen. 27:4, 34, 38)." "At the age of forty years, to the great grief of his parents, he "married (Gen. 26:34, 35) two Canaanite maidens,

    Esau tried to conciliate his" "parents (Gen. 28:8, 9) by marrying his cousin Mahalath, the" daughter of Ishmael. This led him to cast in his lot with the "Ishmaelite tribes (present day Palestinians) and driving the Horites out of Mount Seir, he" settled in that region.
  • The WAR Between Esau descendants and Jacobs descendants - in Reply on Genesis 28
    Genesis 25-27. Tells the story of Esau and Jacob. Jacob and Rebekah worked together to cheat Esau out of his birthright as elder son. Esau made it easy because he'd rather have a bowl of stew than his birthright. He only fought for it when he saw it given to Jacob.

    It seems wrong but Esau had no regard for those things until he realized what He had done. It says God HATED Esau for the treachery. This doesn't sanction cheating and treachery. It teaches that when God gives you a blessing, don't throw it away on something temporal.

    Esau left Jewish culture and married into other culture and religion. However, to this very day, Esau is still trying to get his blessing away from Jacob. (God changed Jacobs name to Israel.

    The wars in the Mid-East today, are still about the Covenants God made with Abraham and descendant of Abraham's wife SARAH. Ishmael received his own blessing from God. (Genesis 15 & forward). God clearly explained borders inside the Covenant.



    Ishmaels descendants (Palestinians) want everything God gave Israel through the Abrahamic Covenant. Jews have returned to Israel and now the land (the Fig Tree Jesus spoke of), is fertile and blooming. This is prophesy being fulfilled NOW. It's no secret. google it. I followed Esaus descendants to the eastern lands of Israel: a difficult study.

    The Palestinians are making deals with Russia; Russia is making deals with China. Search CHINA in the SEARCH engine. 3 scriptures say the Pestilences origins are China and mid-east lands. You gotta use ancient maps with the ancient country names on it.

    Israel needs water and is building a pipeline to get it (search news). All countries are against it. (In Mediterranean). Do you comprehend NOW how the final wars will be fought?

    If you aren't digging through foreign nation News, you will be clueless why are all these wars being rumored. Matthew 24.

    This is a blood war that has been brewing since God Covenanted with Abraham; changed Jacobs name.
  • Johnny Williams - in Reply
    My comments are all scripturally sound and I challenge anyone to go to the scriptures and check the sacriptures that we referance. Im deeply concerned about the so called "Chrisitan " doctrines/ teachings in the Chrisitian community. Most of them aren't scriptural. Baptism for instance. For the most part water baptism isn't seen as necessary for salvation. So many Chrisitans believe that lie simply because a well meaning person told them baptism wasn't for salvation. This is scriptural, the plan of salvation was first explained in the book of Acts 2. Repent, be baptiszed in Jesus name for --the REMISSION ( the act of resovling or remitting sins) of sins and you shall recieve the gift of the Holy Ghost. Being baptized in Jesus name remitts sin, this is scripturally correct.!!! Heres a question. Jesus is the way and the door correct? So why don't we baptized in Jesus name like the scriptures tell us?? Scripturally all men are saved the same way.There is only one Gospel and one way to be saved.Look at the scriptural referances of the people who accepted the Gopsel and were saved. Jesus told his deciples before his accension to go the Jersulem and tarry for the promise of the Father.The promise of the Father was was fulfill in Acts 2. The promise of the Father was the baptism of the Holy Ghost and salvation.All through the book of Acts we see how ALL people recieved salvation the very same way.John3:5 agrees with Acts 2:38. Being born of water (baptism) and recieving the Holy Ghost.
  • Marine Wife - in Reply
    Ernest,

    May I gently remind you of something that I think you are missing. You are telling Laura that the soul when it dies returns to God, not to Jesus.

    Perhaps you are not a believer in the Trinity; God the Father, God the Son (Jesus), God the Holy Spirit. They are three in one, not three different persons. When one closes his eyes here on earth in death, they will immediately open them again and be looking into the face of their Savior, Jesus, the Son of God. Absent from the body, present with the Lord. You cannot separate the Trinity into three different persons, because there is only one God and He is the three in one.
  • Marine Wife - in Reply
    There are and have always been Godly men & women who have truly been "prayer warriors". They are God's children who spend many hours down on their knees before the Lord praying and seeking God for answers to prayer, for guidance for our nations leaders, for their unsaved loved ones, neighbors and fellow workers, yes even for revival. They are people that are known that will pray when anyone calls them with a request because they know that that person will stop what they are doing and go to the Lord 8in prayer even if they do not who that person is. A prayer warrior knows how to touch the heart of God, and He knows who everyone of them are. A prayer warrior has a deep seated burden to see the hand of God move. My friend it takes more than just humility to move the hand of God. It takes prayer, not a five minute a day prayer, prayer that drives you to your knees every day, twice a day, three times a day, whenever you feel the Spirit of God touching your heart to pray, you pray. A prayer warrior doesn't need a reason, for there are reasons enough all around us every day that should prompt us to lay before the God of heaven and earth for its many needs. The closer we come to His coming, the more prayer warriors we need to intercede for the lost and dying of this world. The Bible may not use the term "prayer warrior", but it sure give us many examples of them throughout the old and the new testament. The Bible doesn't use the term "rapture" either, but we all know there is going to be one. The church is not filled with them, but you can count on one or two of them sitting in your congregation, unnoticed, quiet, possibly unknown. But in their home they have a place where they meet their Lord on a regular basis, anytime day or night, they storm His throne room as often as they can, sometimes it's just to sit at His feet and praise Him and soak in His boundless love for the.

    Yes, my friend.................there are "prayer warriors" all over the world.
  • Mike - in Reply
    A circle is not a sphere. So many problems in translation, including fearing God. Fear was translated incorrectly and where has that taken us.

    Mike
  • Earl Bowman - in Reply
    Amen and Amen, Brother S Spencer!
  • THIS IS NO FALSE PROPHESYIT IS HAPPENING SOON - in Reply on Amos 8:11
    I think the Antichrist will try to fool people, that he has everybody's "best interests"

    He'll pretend to represent everyone. He'll be keeping track of everything we read online, everything we type online, everything we order online (even food). Nothing is private anymore.

    Cookies are tracking everything.

    Phone calls, texts, emails: no matter the time of day or night, are followed by TECH GIANTS. HiThey write the programs so they can do these things. Their only rewards are, they are ABLE to do these things. They do not care where all this is leading to.

    Internet Devices can all be Tracked to where they are by GPS. Satellites in outer space can zoom into your location. There are so many satellites in earths atmosphere that they can barely launch space exploration vehicles anymore.

    How do you think driverless cars are being driven? Our cars probably have barcodes all over the insides. They are flashing barcode images on our tv's so we can hold up our phones to the image; and it will transfer your money, to whatever you are buying.

    If we think we are hiding our extreme porn habits, poking around into other peoples lives through internet, YOU ARE DECEiVED, already.

    Even little children can do this; they all have their own cell phones!

    There is no such thing as PRIVACY anymore. They can even monitor who is a Christian. That's why Jesus is COMING SOON for His Church! All over this globe we live on.

    Global Warming is just a "keep them busy and focused on a LIE". After the Rapture, After the Tribulation, after JESUS completes ALL prophesy left to accomplish:

    This Earth will be razed with fire and cleansed, down to the core (to destroy even the tunnels we digged).

    Only Believing, Born Again believers, will see the new heavens and New Earth. If that is what you desire_you need to believe God's Word_get yourself in Jesus Christ__and hang on tight. There's no more time to "waffle around" with believing you can outsmart the Antichrist, or God.
  • Ron on Hebrews 6
    Regarding Hebrews chapter 6 - is such a person lost for evermore?
  • Norman Walker
    I really do think that lots of people are making it harder to understand the Bible when it is really very simple. Believe, worship, love, obey Gods law, believe Jesus walked the face of the earth and died for us, live like a Godly person should and you are good to go to Heaven if not then it will be the other way. Just to many different opinions as to what the Bible means and what is right and wrong and that mixes every thing all up. These are my feelings as to what it takes to make it to Heaven.
  • Caleb on John 8:43
    How do you over come confusions from the evil one.
  • Ronald L Whittemore - in Reply
    Laura,

    John 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

    No man has ever ascended to heaven except Jesus after resurrected in His glorified body, no man has seen heaven other than the visions they have been shown in the Spirit. Jesus is saying no man can teach the truth of heaven but the Son of God who is from heaven. Nicodemus was not believing Jesus, trusting the world's wisdom which is foolishness with God. Like in Proverbs, it shows Nicodemus with the vanity of human struggle to know God.

    Proverbs 30:4 Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell?

    Only with the Holy Spirit can we understand the word of God, which is sent from God in the name of Jesus. We are baptized with water for the forgiveness of our sins and buried with Him by baptism into death. Jesus baptizes us in the Holy Spirit to walk in newness of life and are sealed with that Holy Spirit of promise that as He was raised from the dead, so shall we be. What happens after this body dies is another discussion?

    God bless,

    RLW
  • Sacha - in Reply
    Philip Christian Parks ,all the preachers / ministers in my congregation do so without payment ,we have collections for the upkeep of our building ,for registered charities and for a welfare fund for our members if they need financial help ,no one takes wages ,we all chip in and do whatever jobs / repairs we can ourselves without payment .
  • Sacha - in Reply on 1 John 4
    Hi Jeannie Myers ,i am the only Christian in my entire family ,i havent seen most of them for well over a year until today ,i cant say that ive ever been very close to any of them ,we dont have much in common but today there was a family get together and it was very apparent to me that i have drifted far from them ,all they could talk about was money ,how well their jobs and their childrens jobs were goung ,how well they were all doing ,financially not spiritually ,where they had been or were going on holiday , i had nothing to say to any of them , some of these people i love very much but today i wondered why i loved them ,i had been thinking that i was getting to be a bit of a worldly person but in the company of a load of proud arrogant materialistic atheists i felt totally out of place ,we are not of this world ,we are not supposed to be ,my advice is to make God and Jesus your best friends and your family ,work on your relationship with them ,when you come into contact with others always be generous and kind as Jesus was and God wants us to be but dont allow this world and the people of it to stick to you ,you are called out of this world ,you are a Christian ,this world isnt your home and the things of this world dont belong to you and you dont beling to it ,try to do those things that please God ,not people , if the world loves you you are probably not pleasing God .
  • Moyinoluwa Oni on Genesis 28
    What is the story
  • S Spencer - in Reply
    Hi Wesley.

    I believe Gog is being used as a title of what's behind these nations. ( DEMONS.)

    Revelation 16:13-14. And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.

    For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

    However all of this is debatable.

    But what is interesting is the Millennium,

    They're in the perfect economy and being ruled with a rod of Iron by the Lord himself. With Satan chained up for a thousand years. And the wicked heart of man still shows up.

    It's like a metaphor of Adam biting the apple in the garden, the conditions are the same if not better, In the garden Satan was present.

    We often we hear people pridefully saying I can't wait until Jesus comes back to sit on his thrown, ( Hopefully they won't be here.)

    And we hear people praying this super duper prayer to bind Satan, Well he's going to be chained for a thousand years!! Man still rebels. Apart from the Holyspirit we're lost!!

    The Apostles walked with Christ 3 years and still didn't believe.

    And today we fight over who we think should lead the nation, No matter who's in office it don't change the heart of man!!

    I think Jesus ruling with a rod of Iron from the thrown of David should trump any Laws we have.

    The scary thing is these nations is knowingly fighting against the Lord!! The so called Christian nations is the worst because they should know better right?

    ( NO WRONG.)

    The Holy nation ( The Church) is taken out of the World. There is no geographic land mass on earth that is a Holy Nation, Just one that represents a Promise land to Come, which is the NEW Jerusalem. and that's Israel. And it will get a makeover too, when the Earth is Restored.

    A lot to think about isn't it

    God bless.
  • Ted gibson on Revelation 1
    where is the beast with four eyes found
  • S Spencer - in Reply
    Hi Willie,

    Humility and faith, which is given to believers by the Holyspirit,

    and pray with out ceasing.

    Not anything we build up to.

    What I'm saying YOU HAVE ALL YOU NEED IN YOU TO PERFORM SUCH PRAYER!!!

    Romans 8:26-27. Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.

    And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.

    it's not a special office.

    It's in the verse you mentioned:

    James 5:17. ELIAS WAS A MAN SUBJECT TO ( LIKE PASSIONS AS WE ARE,) and he prayed earnestly that it might not rain: and it rained not on the earth by the space of three years and six months.

    Sometimes our flesh can take us out of the spirit and we think we can manifest something into motion by a super duper prayer. There's extremes to this that can hinder,

    Some think you must eventually speak in tongues

    Some must see someone slain in the spirit.

    Jude 1:18-20. How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.

    These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.

    But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, PRAYING IN THE HOLY GHOST,

    GOD BLESS.


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