This scripture Isaiah 49 : 23....Speaks of infants that are gonna be born n us via the seed of Christ ...Kings shall be your nursing fathers and Queens shall be your nursing mothers they shall lick up the dust of your feet ...Kings and Queens are just Prophetic language of men and women that are gonna birth a baby An infant Christ which is the H.G. that Child of Promise till he is of age ..Thus he is that infant that cannot speak of himself.... Gal 4 : 1 now i say unto you that the heir as lone as he is a Child differs nothin from a servent tho he be LORD OF ALL But is under governors and tutors till the time appointed of the FATHER...That Child that is lord of all is the H.G. that is gona be born in us...But in that he is an infant he cannot speak of himself ...As even in the natural infants cannot speak....Thats y Jesus is saying these things are hid from the wise and prudent but revealed unto babes...The infants that cannot speak....But he is the true heir...Unless ya receive the Kingdom of God as a LIL Child you will in no wise enter there in....Thats y the new birth is so important....ok...There is a baby Christ in our future which is the H.G. that CHILD OF PROMISE....And he it is that is gonna lead us into all truth.....The kingdom does not come till the woman gives birth Rev 12 : 5 kjv....
Those who say there is no Hell or Satan preach against the cross.
Ephesians 2:5 Having abolished in his flesh the emnity (heart of Satan at war with the heart of God), ...... for to make in himself of twain, one new man ....
Ephesians 2:6 That he might RECONCILE both unto God in ONE BODY by the CROSS having SLAIN the EMNITY thereby.
Colossians 1:20 And, having made peace, through the Blood of his cross, by him to RECONCILE all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.
This says that that emnity WAS SLAIN and all things RECONCILE to him by the blood of HIS CROSS.
The says that there is a hell; preaches against the cross. Abolishing, THAT ALL by the blood of his cross WERE (finished) reconciled to him.
Are all things reconciled to him, or is it up to MAN?
Again you drawn from a lot of scripture and misapplied ALL those scriptures by what you put in parentheses.
You say the book of Job is a Prophesy but James doesn't indicate that.
James 5:11. Behold, we count them happy which endure. YE HAVE HEARD OF THE PATIENCE OF JOB, and have SEEN the end of the Lord; that the Lord is very pitiful, and of tender mercy.
James seems to take the text literal.
As I said before you can spiritualize the text and claim it says anything.
You've proven my point!
We will have to do what we have always done and that's agree to disagree. You know you're not going to convince me and I'm not trying to convince you.
I'm moving on,
Back to declaring the importance in proper hermeneutics.
Well dear friend. Such conversatios you are seeking for cannot be made through posts. But I 'll tell you what a fellow christian who was an ex-muslim from Lebanon and now he is an elder in a reborn church, told me. He told me if a muslim ever talks to you about Jesus, then simply ask him. " Does the Quran say that Jesus is the Son of God?" Yes it does say that. "Does it say that He was born by the Holly Spirit?" Yes it does say that as well. Then ask him " Since Jesus' father is God, then Jesus is ... ?" I leave it to you to give an answer to this. GBU
They see but they do not see? They hear but they do not hear? Just those words alone ,would cause one to seek Ye first the kingdom of God! The power of the word! It is everlasting ,like the waters that flow from it!
2 nd Cor. 3 : 6....Who has made us able ministers of the New Testament not the written words..The letter the written words brings death but the living WORDS BRING LIFE....Spirits as Jesus said my words are spirit and life...much greater then paper and ink.
Jesus said search the scriptures ( the written words ) in them you think you have eternal life but is them that testifies of me the living words the NEW COVENANT....The greater light is the living words that new COVENANT...The CHILDREN OF PROMISE....The babes and sucklings that are able to Praise God with a perfect Praise....Outta of the mouths of babes and sucklings thou has perfected PRAISE.
John 15:13. Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.
John 3:16. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Redemption.
To fully appreciate this Love, one would have to believe we've been Redeemed from something!! There would have to be consequences for the opposition.
We've been bought with the blood of Christ!
John 3:35-36. The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand.
He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: AND HE THAT BELIEVETH NOT THE SON SHALL NOT SEE LIFE; BUT THE WRATH OF GOD abideth on him.
The narrow gate.
The only way to the father is by the son. John 14:6.
However not many will find it.
Matthew 7:13-14. Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
Here we see two groups with separate destinations.
Matthew 25:41, 46. Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, DEPART FROM ME, YE CURSED, INTO EVERLASTING FIRE, PREPARED FOR THE DEVIL AND HIS ANGELS:
And these shall go away into EVERLASTING PUNISHMENT: BUT THE RIGHTEOUS INTO LIFE ETERNAL.
Note.
Everlasting punishment is not a refining fire. It's EVERLASTING PUNISHMENT.
These verses have to be taken literal, that's the only way that Love is displayed.
Immanuel/Emmanuel "with us is God" "God with us". John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. The word dwelt here is not the ordinary word for dwelt, meaning to house, or take residence.
The Greek word dwelt in this verse is skno meaning to tent, tabernacle. God set up His tent or tabernacle among us in His only begotten Son Jesus, therefore Jesus' name Immanuel/Emmanuel. In John 14:1-3, this is just before Jesus was to be crucified when He told them this.
The word mansions is the Greek word , , mon means an abiding, an abode, dwelling-place. When Jesus was arrested, beaten, nailed to that cross, gave His life, and rose from the dead He provided that place that the first Adam corrupted that God through Jesus, by the Spirit can again dwell in man therefore His Name Immanuel/Emmanuel "with us is God" "God with us".
John 10:30 I and my Father are one.
John 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.
John 17:21-23 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. 22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: 23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
Jesus' life in the flesh, death, and resurrection prepared the place where we can be one, therefore His Name Immanuel/Emmanuel "with us is God" "God with us".
Revelation 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.
I wonder if maybe people just didn't come to him to ask him to help them and that's why he didn't do many ( it doesn't say none ) mighty works . Coming to him and asking him for help is in itself an act of faith so if not many believed in him then maybe not many asked for his help .
Sometime we lose sight that the Gospel was preached to Abraham 430 years before this point: being the giving of the law.
Hebrews 4:2 For unto us was the Gospel preached, as well as UNTO THEM .....
Those that fell in the wilderness.
John the Baptist came preaching the gospel.
After John was put in prison, Jesus came preaching the gospel.
Paul says my gospel.
What is this GOSPEL.
It CANNOT BE heaven and hell, else you would see the PROPHETS screaming this at the top of their lungs.
Amos 3:2 Surely the Lord God WILL DO NOTHING, but he REVEALETH HIS SECRETS unto his servants the PROPHETS.
The Book of Job is a PROPHESY.
Job 1:6 Now there was a day (future) when the Sons of God (the Called and Chosen) came to present themselves before the Lord (as a living sacrifice) and Satan (a deceitful and WICKED HEART living inside the called and chosen) came in WITH THEM.
2 Thessalonians 2:8 Then shall that WICKED be revealed ...
2 Thessalonians 2:9 Even him (the called and chosen), whose coming is after the working of Satan (a heart of stone, lies, deception, falsehoods and wickedness) ....
Ezekiel 11:9 And I will GIVE THEM (GRACE) ONE heart, and I will put a new spirit in you, and take the STONEY HEART (after the workings of Satan) out of their flesh, and GIVE THEM (GRACE) a heart of flesh (after the workings of Christ, LIFE and TRUTH).
2 Thessalonians 2:8 Then shall that WICKED (SATANIC HEART) be revealed, whom the Lord shall CONSUME (for our God is a consuming fire) with the spirit of his mouth (his words of TRUTH), and shall DESTROY (that Satanic heart) with the brightness OF HIS COMING.
Matthew 12:28 But if I CAST OUT DEVILS (a STONY HEART) by the SPIRIT of God then the Kingdom of God is come unto YOU (Christ's Heart, Life and truth, REPLACING Satin's heart, lies, wickedness, a heart of antichrist).
All this is GOD'S WORK, man is just HEIR of these work's.
What was the purpose of Jesus coming into this world and suffering the way he did if there's no damnable outcome for those who reject Christ!
John 3:18. He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. This speaks against the notion everyone will be saved!
Luke 19:10. For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost. Saved from what?
Was all the Apostles killed for nothing?
Those who say there's no Hell or Satan preaches against the cross.
The big question for those who present this doctrine is
What is the purpose and virtue of their message? Why bother?
It tells the sinner, "You shall not surely die!" That's not the Gospel!
Zak i hope you can understand what i am saying....But Spirits can be born thats y the sower will go forth to sow his precious seed that Living word in our hearts....And thats y the H.G. cannot speak of himself he is just an infant...Simply b/c he is gona be born in us...in our hearts as our hearts is like a womb where gestation can take place in the SPIRIT ...Remember Jeremiah saw this whole world in travail and birth pains...Jeremiah saw the Child that is gonna rule all nations which is the H.G. that CHILD OF PROMISE....The spirit of truth that is gona reprove this whole world of righteousness etc.
.....When Jesus breathe on them that was his words which are his seeds that is gonna propagate a birth of Christ in us...The Son of Man...Mankinds fruit unto God...Roman 7 : 4 ...Then he told em b/c i have spoken these words his seeds sorrows have filled your hearts, when a woman is in travail she has sorrows but her sorrows are turned into joy after the Child comes.. Matthew 16 : 19 kjv...The Child is the H.G. THAT RESULTS FROM HIS SEEDS, HIS WORDS...HIS BREATH...But the CHILD is the H.G. that infant that cannot speak of himself simply b/c he is an infant...But whatever he hears in the SPIRIT he can understand and reveals it unto us his mother..
Here is my understanding of Matthew 13:58. It says He did not many mighty works there because of their unbelief. What I notice is that it does not say that He went in and did mighty works, and because of their lack of faith nothing happened. For me, that doesn't even apply!
What I see is that He didn't do anything there because of their unbelief. Why? Because the signs and the miracles Jesus performed were supposed be a sign to point them to Christ. But He saw that it would do no good. He saw the condition of their hearts.
There are people today that use this verse in the wrong context. They say that the Lord can't work in your life His mighty works because of your unbelief, or your lack of faith. But that's not what it says here.
In Luke Chapter 1, Zacharias had unbelief. In fact, the angel Gabriel said to him that because of your unbelief, because you do not believe my words which will happen at their appointed time, and please note this because it is very important to know that his unbelief couldn't stop God's will from being done. The angel says because of that, you will be mute and unable to speak until these things take place.
It seems to me that Zacharias dictated to God what God must do to get him to line up to believe. But it didn't stop God. It is impossible to stop God from working. God says this is going to happen to you Zacharias, but you do not believe that this will happen because you are looking at the human condition.
You and your wife are beyond the age of bearing children. So you will be mute and unable speak. You will just be a bystander. I want you to watch the work of God. And after nine months, his tongue was loosed, and he began to praise God, and he began to prophesy over that child. Now he is lined up. He didn't stop God from working because of his unbelief or lack of faith. "He did not do any mighty works there because of their unbelief."
Hello Zak...May i give ya my version of John 16 : 13 KJV....He cannot speak of himself is b/c he is a baby, a new born...Remember Jesus said that which is born of the spirit is spirit which is the H.G. that Child of PROMISE....Unless ya receive the Kingdom of GOD AS A LIL CHILD a New Born. ..You will in no wise enter there in.
Thus he cannot speak of himself....He is just a living baby Spirit an infant which is the H.G...When Paul mentions that NEW BORN desireing the sincere milk of the word thats the H.G. Emanuel God with us....A baby Christ..an infant .Simply b/c our new innerman has to be born in us via the seed of Christ Jesus which is the H.G. ...They don't refer to Jesus as the bridegoom for nothin...He wants to sow a seed in us initiating a birth of Christ in us...That New Born babe is the H.G. that cannot speak of himself....He is just an infant....I will give babes to rule over them and Children shall be their Princes.... Isaiah 3 : 4 kjv
......Thats y he always refers to himself as the son of man...She brought forth aman Child that is gonna rule all nations...Which
As one who lived after Christ and the preaching of the Gospel, I agree with your point of view in your post.
In my post on Exodus 19 I was commenting from a viewpoint of these people who lived prior to our Savior's coming and the preaching of the gospel. Paul also says that the Law itself is holy, just, and good. Romans 7:12. But our sinful nature opposes what is given to us in God's holy, just, and good decrees, leading us to break these commands. Our rebellious sin brings death because our disobedience to the law condemns us. Even so, I believe that we should view the Law as Paul did, as a good thing given by God for his perfect purposes. It does not save us, but it does instruct us in what God's moral character is like and how perfect He is.
In this account in Exodus YHWH displays His awesomeness to the Israelites. It results in terror among the people and they vow to follow what He asks of them. But we know that they will fail to do this again and again, just as we do the same. Through their time wandering in the desert and up to their captivity in Babylon and Assyria, the Israelites continued to turn away from God and return to Him repeatedly. Through this they could have learned of His love, mercy and forgiveness for them. But, as history reveals, the people became more focused on the requirements of law-keeping than on knowing and following God Who gave them the Law out of His goodness. Jesus addressed this issue often with the Pharisees, Sadducees, Scribes, and Priests. Their hearts were hardened and were unable to receive their promised Messiah and the salvation that He wrought for them.
This event on and around Sinai has many lessons for us to learn. The Law(Sinai) reveals our sinfulness and inability to be perfect as God is perfect. It reveals our need for Savior. The condemnation of the Law on our sin drives us to seek Grace (Zion) where we can receive salvation-forgiveness of sins, right standing before God, and eternal life.
It's not your place to assume that anyone on here finds Alex's interpretations problematic , maybe you do but you do not speak for any one on here other than yourself . You definately don't speak for me . Your assumptions betray your arrogance . I'm sorry to say that to you but I can't bear the thought that you assume you are speaking for others . Your words and feelings are all yours .
Dear Alex, you have just proved my point in my last point.
By the way, I have only been on this forum since November. Perhaps your dating is off or maybe stating that i have been persecuting you for a year is hyperbole. Again, I say, I am not persecuting you. Nor am I demonizing you nor am I harassing you.
I have taken to heart your request that I not respond to your posts, yet you have responded to mine. I think it goes both ways, Alex. And in most cases I do not respond to your posts. But this is an open forum and just as I expect and accept that people are free to respond to what I post, others should have the same attitude. I try to give a reasoned response to others, including you. I do think that you continue to repeatedly post ideas that are contrary to the intended meaning of the many Scriptures you cite. And I know I am not alone in my concern here.
Alex, I do love you and care for your feelings on here. I am not intending to insult you or aggravate you. I do not question the validity of your faith in Christ nor your standing before God, as you have done of me and others who object to your way of interpreting Scripture. I do not question whether you have the Holy Spirit in you, like you have done to me and others who have refuted your views and Scriptural interpretation methods. And I have not referred to you as Satan, as you have done in this post to me.
Alex, I can see that your feelings are hurt by the post that S.Spencer wrote about the way you and others interpret Scripture or you would not have responded to his post as you did. And your feelings are hurt that I responded to your post about this topic. This is a free forum and all on here are free to respond to any post that is submitted here. I don't think that picking and choosing who can respond to our posts and eliminating those we do not wish to do so reflects the spirit of this open forum.
Even so, I am glad to know how you feel on this matter however I will still exercise my freedom here.
It is somewhat perplexing to note that not many amongst billions of Christians of various denominations could discern the true meaning and interpretation of the verse John 16:13, among others, which Jesus Christ had prophesied and roughly interpreted by Bible translators as the "comforter/advocate/helper/friend, etc." in various books of the Bible. To allude the object of the prophecy only to the Holy Spirit is, to my mind, a crude attempt to ignore and by-pass the Truth. The phrase "for he shall not speak of himself, but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak," already hint volumes of probability that the verse refers to a man and not to a Holy Spirit. It would be absurd to consider sending the Holy Spirit anew for such mission when all along it was already present even before Jesus began his ministry.
Moreover, the abovementioned phrase is confirmed in the Holy Qur'an's process of revelation. For being illiterate, Prophet Muhammad could not read what the "Holy Spirit" (Angel Gabriel) commanded him to. So, the whole Qur'an was dictated by the Angel Gabriel only for Muhammad to repeat what he hears being dictated to him. The few Christians (priests, ministers and church leaders) who had read and understood the Holy Qur'an, have all embraced Islam. Most, if not all, of the tasks referred to by Jesus to be undertaken by the one he would send through God Almighty, the Father, could not be handled by the Holy Spirit. It did not teach or bring anything new for the benefit of the disciples and lay Christians. All of the prophecies fitted hand-in-glove with the advent of Prophet Muhammad which not only glorified Jesus in the Qur'an, but including his mother, Mary.
Many people have tried to set dates on when Christ will return, and when the 7-year tribulation will begin. If your calculations are correct and this year passes by and the tribulation has not begun, then what? Do we set a different date? Many people in the past have set dates on the return of Christ, and those dates passed by with nothing happening. Are we even supposed to be setting dates on Christ's return?
If I may share this with you, in Matthew 24:34, it says, "Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled." People have taken the word generation and some have said that a generation is 40 years, some say 70 years, and some say 120 years, and then they predict a date on when Christ will return, and those dates have come and gone. You have put 80 years from May 11, 1949 as the date Christ will return.
Well, the problem with that is that this word generation has no association with years at all. The word generation means race or kind of people. GENEA is the word, and it means a race or kind of people.
GENEA has nothing to do with years. It is a race or kind of people. Basically, what Jesus is saying here, is this kind or race of people, (the Jews), shall not pass away until all these things be fulfilled. They are His elect. They are His protected people, His chosen people, and He will fulfill His promises to them.
In your conversation with Kay, you said:
Those who say there is no Hell or Satan preach against the cross.
Ephesians 2:5 Having abolished in his flesh the emnity (heart of Satan at war with the heart of God), ...... for to make in himself of twain, one new man ....
Ephesians 2:6 That he might RECONCILE both unto God in ONE BODY by the CROSS having SLAIN the EMNITY thereby.
Colossians 1:20 And, having made peace, through the Blood of his cross, by him to RECONCILE all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.
This says that that emnity WAS SLAIN and all things RECONCILE to him by the blood of HIS CROSS.
The says that there is a hell; preaches against the cross. Abolishing, THAT ALL by the blood of his cross WERE (finished) reconciled to him.
Are all things reconciled to him, or is it up to MAN?
God BLESS YOU!
Those Holy scriptures shows the fallacy of man and the need of a savior and the coming of one.
God bless
Again you drawn from a lot of scripture and misapplied ALL those scriptures by what you put in parentheses.
You say the book of Job is a Prophesy but James doesn't indicate that.
James 5:11. Behold, we count them happy which endure. YE HAVE HEARD OF THE PATIENCE OF JOB, and have SEEN the end of the Lord; that the Lord is very pitiful, and of tender mercy.
James seems to take the text literal.
As I said before you can spiritualize the text and claim it says anything.
You've proven my point!
We will have to do what we have always done and that's agree to disagree. You know you're not going to convince me and I'm not trying to convince you.
I'm moving on,
Back to declaring the importance in proper hermeneutics.
God bless those who believes in what is written.
Seeking out those things of what Jesus spoke of.
They see but they do not see? They hear but they do not hear? Just those words alone ,would cause one to seek Ye first the kingdom of God! The power of the word! It is everlasting ,like the waters that flow from it!
In Christ, Fred
God Bless YOU!
Jesus said search the scriptures ( the written words ) in them you think you have eternal life but is them that testifies of me the living words the NEW COVENANT....The greater light is the living words that new COVENANT...The CHILDREN OF PROMISE....The babes and sucklings that are able to Praise God with a perfect Praise....Outta of the mouths of babes and sucklings thou has perfected PRAISE.
God Bless YOU!
John 15:13. Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.
John 3:16. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Redemption.
To fully appreciate this Love, one would have to believe we've been Redeemed from something!! There would have to be consequences for the opposition.
We've been bought with the blood of Christ!
John 3:35-36. The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand.
He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: AND HE THAT BELIEVETH NOT THE SON SHALL NOT SEE LIFE; BUT THE WRATH OF GOD abideth on him.
The narrow gate.
The only way to the father is by the son. John 14:6.
However not many will find it.
Matthew 7:13-14. Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
Here we see two groups with separate destinations.
Matthew 25:41, 46. Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, DEPART FROM ME, YE CURSED, INTO EVERLASTING FIRE, PREPARED FOR THE DEVIL AND HIS ANGELS:
And these shall go away into EVERLASTING PUNISHMENT: BUT THE RIGHTEOUS INTO LIFE ETERNAL.
Note.
Everlasting punishment is not a refining fire. It's EVERLASTING PUNISHMENT.
These verses have to be taken literal, that's the only way that Love is displayed.
God bless.
Immanuel/Emmanuel "with us is God" "God with us". John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. The word dwelt here is not the ordinary word for dwelt, meaning to house, or take residence.
The Greek word dwelt in this verse is skno meaning to tent, tabernacle. God set up His tent or tabernacle among us in His only begotten Son Jesus, therefore Jesus' name Immanuel/Emmanuel. In John 14:1-3, this is just before Jesus was to be crucified when He told them this.
The word mansions is the Greek word , , mon means an abiding, an abode, dwelling-place. When Jesus was arrested, beaten, nailed to that cross, gave His life, and rose from the dead He provided that place that the first Adam corrupted that God through Jesus, by the Spirit can again dwell in man therefore His Name Immanuel/Emmanuel "with us is God" "God with us".
John 10:30 I and my Father are one.
John 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.
John 17:21-23 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. 22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: 23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
Jesus' life in the flesh, death, and resurrection prepared the place where we can be one, therefore His Name Immanuel/Emmanuel "with us is God" "God with us".
Revelation 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.
God bless,
RLW
In you post to GiGi you said:
Sometime we lose sight that the Gospel was preached to Abraham 430 years before this point: being the giving of the law.
Hebrews 4:2 For unto us was the Gospel preached, as well as UNTO THEM .....
Those that fell in the wilderness.
John the Baptist came preaching the gospel.
After John was put in prison, Jesus came preaching the gospel.
Paul says my gospel.
What is this GOSPEL.
It CANNOT BE heaven and hell, else you would see the PROPHETS screaming this at the top of their lungs.
Amos 3:2 Surely the Lord God WILL DO NOTHING, but he REVEALETH HIS SECRETS unto his servants the PROPHETS.
The Book of Job is a PROPHESY.
Job 1:6 Now there was a day (future) when the Sons of God (the Called and Chosen) came to present themselves before the Lord (as a living sacrifice) and Satan (a deceitful and WICKED HEART living inside the called and chosen) came in WITH THEM.
2 Thessalonians 2:8 Then shall that WICKED be revealed ...
2 Thessalonians 2:9 Even him (the called and chosen), whose coming is after the working of Satan (a heart of stone, lies, deception, falsehoods and wickedness) ....
Ezekiel 11:9 And I will GIVE THEM (GRACE) ONE heart, and I will put a new spirit in you, and take the STONEY HEART (after the workings of Satan) out of their flesh, and GIVE THEM (GRACE) a heart of flesh (after the workings of Christ, LIFE and TRUTH).
2 Thessalonians 2:8 Then shall that WICKED (SATANIC HEART) be revealed, whom the Lord shall CONSUME (for our God is a consuming fire) with the spirit of his mouth (his words of TRUTH), and shall DESTROY (that Satanic heart) with the brightness OF HIS COMING.
Matthew 12:28 But if I CAST OUT DEVILS (a STONY HEART) by the SPIRIT of God then the Kingdom of God is come unto YOU (Christ's Heart, Life and truth, REPLACING Satin's heart, lies, wickedness, a heart of antichrist).
All this is GOD'S WORK, man is just HEIR of these work's.
God Bless YOU!
What was the purpose of Jesus coming into this world and suffering the way he did if there's no damnable outcome for those who reject Christ!
John 3:18. He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. This speaks against the notion everyone will be saved!
Luke 19:10. For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost. Saved from what?
Was all the Apostles killed for nothing?
Those who say there's no Hell or Satan preaches against the cross.
The big question for those who present this doctrine is
What is the purpose and virtue of their message? Why bother?
It tells the sinner, "You shall not surely die!" That's not the Gospel!
God bless.
.....When Jesus breathe on them that was his words which are his seeds that is gonna propagate a birth of Christ in us...The Son of Man...Mankinds fruit unto God...Roman 7 : 4 ...Then he told em b/c i have spoken these words his seeds sorrows have filled your hearts, when a woman is in travail she has sorrows but her sorrows are turned into joy after the Child comes.. Matthew 16 : 19 kjv...The Child is the H.G. THAT RESULTS FROM HIS SEEDS, HIS WORDS...HIS BREATH...But the CHILD is the H.G. that infant that cannot speak of himself simply b/c he is an infant...But whatever he hears in the SPIRIT he can understand and reveals it unto us his mother..
Here is my understanding of Matthew 13:58. It says He did not many mighty works there because of their unbelief. What I notice is that it does not say that He went in and did mighty works, and because of their lack of faith nothing happened. For me, that doesn't even apply!
What I see is that He didn't do anything there because of their unbelief. Why? Because the signs and the miracles Jesus performed were supposed be a sign to point them to Christ. But He saw that it would do no good. He saw the condition of their hearts.
There are people today that use this verse in the wrong context. They say that the Lord can't work in your life His mighty works because of your unbelief, or your lack of faith. But that's not what it says here.
In Luke Chapter 1, Zacharias had unbelief. In fact, the angel Gabriel said to him that because of your unbelief, because you do not believe my words which will happen at their appointed time, and please note this because it is very important to know that his unbelief couldn't stop God's will from being done. The angel says because of that, you will be mute and unable to speak until these things take place.
It seems to me that Zacharias dictated to God what God must do to get him to line up to believe. But it didn't stop God. It is impossible to stop God from working. God says this is going to happen to you Zacharias, but you do not believe that this will happen because you are looking at the human condition.
You and your wife are beyond the age of bearing children. So you will be mute and unable speak. You will just be a bystander. I want you to watch the work of God. And after nine months, his tongue was loosed, and he began to praise God, and he began to prophesy over that child. Now he is lined up. He didn't stop God from working because of his unbelief or lack of faith. "He did not do any mighty works there because of their unbelief."
Anyway, that's my understanding.
Hopefully these are helpful
Thus he cannot speak of himself....He is just a living baby Spirit an infant which is the H.G...When Paul mentions that NEW BORN desireing the sincere milk of the word thats the H.G. Emanuel God with us....A baby Christ..an infant .Simply b/c our new innerman has to be born in us via the seed of Christ Jesus which is the H.G. ...They don't refer to Jesus as the bridegoom for nothin...He wants to sow a seed in us initiating a birth of Christ in us...That New Born babe is the H.G. that cannot speak of himself....He is just an infant....I will give babes to rule over them and Children shall be their Princes.... Isaiah 3 : 4 kjv
......Thats y he always refers to himself as the son of man...She brought forth aman Child that is gonna rule all nations...Which
is the H.G....That Child of Promise.
It appears your backed by scripture
Acts 4:12,
True believers believe Jesus CHRIST
It's funny you have given scriptures to be examined literally!
However.
You have given 6 scriptures and added or taken away from each and misapplied them! What you seem to often put in parentheses is errored!
When confronted you hide behind spiritualation.
I'm not going to deal with all of them but here is an example of your errors.
You say "Job said Satan came in "WITH MAN" to present himself to God."
When has man ever been able to go to and fro the Earth?
When has man ever been able to present himself to God?
Answer. Never!
John 1:18.
John 6:46.
Here's that account in scripture.
Job 1:6. Now there was a day when the SONS OF GOD came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.
Sons of God in this passage are Angels.
Your view is that Satan is mans flesh. "He doesn't exist"
So who's responsible for Jobs losses? And who is God interacting with in Job 1. ?
I'm sorry but I can't entertain that.
My point is taken in your reply!
If there is no Satan, No hell, and no consequences for sin, There's no Gospel/Good news in your message
why do you passionately bother?
according to you whether we receive or not we suffer the same fate. Why was Christ crucified?
That is not a message from God.
No response needed
God bless.
As one who lived after Christ and the preaching of the Gospel, I agree with your point of view in your post.
In my post on Exodus 19 I was commenting from a viewpoint of these people who lived prior to our Savior's coming and the preaching of the gospel. Paul also says that the Law itself is holy, just, and good. Romans 7:12. But our sinful nature opposes what is given to us in God's holy, just, and good decrees, leading us to break these commands. Our rebellious sin brings death because our disobedience to the law condemns us. Even so, I believe that we should view the Law as Paul did, as a good thing given by God for his perfect purposes. It does not save us, but it does instruct us in what God's moral character is like and how perfect He is.
In this account in Exodus YHWH displays His awesomeness to the Israelites. It results in terror among the people and they vow to follow what He asks of them. But we know that they will fail to do this again and again, just as we do the same. Through their time wandering in the desert and up to their captivity in Babylon and Assyria, the Israelites continued to turn away from God and return to Him repeatedly. Through this they could have learned of His love, mercy and forgiveness for them. But, as history reveals, the people became more focused on the requirements of law-keeping than on knowing and following God Who gave them the Law out of His goodness. Jesus addressed this issue often with the Pharisees, Sadducees, Scribes, and Priests. Their hearts were hardened and were unable to receive their promised Messiah and the salvation that He wrought for them.
This event on and around Sinai has many lessons for us to learn. The Law(Sinai) reveals our sinfulness and inability to be perfect as God is perfect. It reveals our need for Savior. The condemnation of the Law on our sin drives us to seek Grace (Zion) where we can receive salvation-forgiveness of sins, right standing before God, and eternal life.
By the way, I have only been on this forum since November. Perhaps your dating is off or maybe stating that i have been persecuting you for a year is hyperbole. Again, I say, I am not persecuting you. Nor am I demonizing you nor am I harassing you.
I have taken to heart your request that I not respond to your posts, yet you have responded to mine. I think it goes both ways, Alex. And in most cases I do not respond to your posts. But this is an open forum and just as I expect and accept that people are free to respond to what I post, others should have the same attitude. I try to give a reasoned response to others, including you. I do think that you continue to repeatedly post ideas that are contrary to the intended meaning of the many Scriptures you cite. And I know I am not alone in my concern here.
Alex, I do love you and care for your feelings on here. I am not intending to insult you or aggravate you. I do not question the validity of your faith in Christ nor your standing before God, as you have done of me and others who object to your way of interpreting Scripture. I do not question whether you have the Holy Spirit in you, like you have done to me and others who have refuted your views and Scriptural interpretation methods. And I have not referred to you as Satan, as you have done in this post to me.
Alex, I can see that your feelings are hurt by the post that S.Spencer wrote about the way you and others interpret Scripture or you would not have responded to his post as you did. And your feelings are hurt that I responded to your post about this topic. This is a free forum and all on here are free to respond to any post that is submitted here. I don't think that picking and choosing who can respond to our posts and eliminating those we do not wish to do so reflects the spirit of this open forum.
Even so, I am glad to know how you feel on this matter however I will still exercise my freedom here.
A more appropriate response to Your question that reveals and affirms the Sovereignty of the Almighty GOD:
Romans 9:15
For He says to Moses: "I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion."
So just know that no one will enter Heaven without GOD'S Approval, just as no one leaves this Earth without GOD'S Permission.
It is somewhat perplexing to note that not many amongst billions of Christians of various denominations could discern the true meaning and interpretation of the verse John 16:13, among others, which Jesus Christ had prophesied and roughly interpreted by Bible translators as the "comforter/advocate/helper/friend, etc." in various books of the Bible. To allude the object of the prophecy only to the Holy Spirit is, to my mind, a crude attempt to ignore and by-pass the Truth. The phrase "for he shall not speak of himself, but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak," already hint volumes of probability that the verse refers to a man and not to a Holy Spirit. It would be absurd to consider sending the Holy Spirit anew for such mission when all along it was already present even before Jesus began his ministry.
Moreover, the abovementioned phrase is confirmed in the Holy Qur'an's process of revelation. For being illiterate, Prophet Muhammad could not read what the "Holy Spirit" (Angel Gabriel) commanded him to. So, the whole Qur'an was dictated by the Angel Gabriel only for Muhammad to repeat what he hears being dictated to him. The few Christians (priests, ministers and church leaders) who had read and understood the Holy Qur'an, have all embraced Islam. Most, if not all, of the tasks referred to by Jesus to be undertaken by the one he would send through God Almighty, the Father, could not be handled by the Holy Spirit. It did not teach or bring anything new for the benefit of the disciples and lay Christians. All of the prophecies fitted hand-in-glove with the advent of Prophet Muhammad which not only glorified Jesus in the Qur'an, but including his mother, Mary.
Many people have tried to set dates on when Christ will return, and when the 7-year tribulation will begin. If your calculations are correct and this year passes by and the tribulation has not begun, then what? Do we set a different date? Many people in the past have set dates on the return of Christ, and those dates passed by with nothing happening. Are we even supposed to be setting dates on Christ's return?
If I may share this with you, in Matthew 24:34, it says, "Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled." People have taken the word generation and some have said that a generation is 40 years, some say 70 years, and some say 120 years, and then they predict a date on when Christ will return, and those dates have come and gone. You have put 80 years from May 11, 1949 as the date Christ will return.
Well, the problem with that is that this word generation has no association with years at all. The word generation means race or kind of people. GENEA is the word, and it means a race or kind of people.
GENEA has nothing to do with years. It is a race or kind of people. Basically, what Jesus is saying here, is this kind or race of people, (the Jews), shall not pass away until all these things be fulfilled. They are His elect. They are His protected people, His chosen people, and He will fulfill His promises to them.