Bible Questions & Discussion PAGE 642

  • S Spencer - In Reply on Romans 8 - 1 year ago
    Part 7.

    Why does a God of love allow evil? Because He is a God of LOVE.

    So Great a Salvation

    So, how practical is Christianity? The Bible presents an infinite Creator with the very attributes we would expect when we examine the things that are made. And God, as a personal Being, in order that He might have a love relationship with us, gave us the capacity of choice. In order that we might have a practical revelation of His love, His wisdom, His power, His glory, He became one of us in the person of the Messiah, Jesus Christ.

    In order that we might not suffer the penalty of our evil choices (sin), He, like a loving father, paid the penalty for our sins. He allowed his only begotten Son, Jesus Christ, to be murdered on a Roman cross (arguably the most evil act in the history of the universe, if He is indeed God's Son). But this act of great evil gave rise to an even better state of affairs, and the greatest act of love in the universe: paying the penalty for the wrong choices we make, which were the result of the way He created us in the first place! In the cross of Christ He has provided a full pardon from the consequences of the evil in our lives. Consequently, we cannot look to God and declare that He is unfair. Far from being a devil, in this examination of the problem of evil, God becomes the hero of the plot and the solution to the problem of evil. And it all hinges on LOVE. Indeed, God is love.3 What must we do to receive this pardon?

    For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life. John 3:16

    If you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. Romans 10:9.

    God bless.
  • S Spencer - In Reply on Romans 8 - 1 year ago
    Part 6.

    In the hypothetical scenario I presented to this woman, with the advantage of hindsight (foreknowledge in this case) she was in a position comparable to God's before He created humankind. Because He is outside time and knows all things, He knew that there would be tremendous pain and suffering as a result of His decision to create a people with the capacity of choice and, consequently, the capacity to sin (moral evil).

    But God, like this mother, knew that the love He and his human creatures would experience would outweigh the pain and suffering that would result from His decision to create us as He did. But the consequences of God's decision were not unforeseen. They were foreknown!

    The Incredible Answer

    The skeptic that emailed me stated, in effect, that if an all-powerful God did not eliminate evil, then He was a devil! The implication is that the removal of all evil would permit a better, more loving world. A truly loving God, the skeptics assert, would have desired and created such a world because it is clearly superior to the one we have. Any God that did not follow this logic was not a God of love, but an evil tyrant.

    As we have seen, this logic crumbles under its own weight. The existence of evil is the "side effect" of creating a world with love. But as we have seen, there are compelling arguments that a world possessing both evil and love is superior to a world where neither is possible. For God to eliminate evil, He would have to eliminate our capacity of choice and thus our capacity to do both evil and good. And such a world is inferior to the one we have: one where love is possible, despite its inherent evil. What kind of God would do this? Only one kind. A God of love.

    See Part 7.
  • S Spencer - In Reply on Romans 8 - 1 year ago
    Part 5.

    But the skeptic says, "why did God do this when he knew in advance that the result of free will would be so disastrous? Did this God of love not care that war, murder, rape and so much senseless violence would be the result of his choice to give us free will?" A real life illustration will help us to understand.

    The Love of a Mother

    During my 15 years as a physician I have seen an enormous amount of physical suffering. During that time I have had five children in my practice die by disease and injury. All of these children came from Christian families. Several months after the death of one of these children, the child's mother was in my office and was very distraught over her loss. She asked me, "Why did God allow this? I love God. Why did this happen?"

    What could I say in this situation? Rather than providing an answer I asked her this question. "You have three children. One of them has died. If you could go back to the time before you had any children, with the knowledge that one of them would die this horrible death, would you have children again?"

    After a long pause, with many tears in her eyes and a broken heart she said, "Oh yes. Oh yes. yes I would. Because, you see, the love and the joy and the happiness I have received from my children far outweighs the pain, suffering and misery I experienced from the loss of that one child. Oh yes. Oh yes. I would have children again."

    In this tragic story we see an incredible insight as to why God allows evil to exist. As discussed earlier, a loving God can allow an evil state of affairs to exist if, in allowing it to occur, it brings about an even better state of affairs. For this woman, the loss of her child was an unequalled and tragic evil. But, with the advantage of hindsight, she said she would do it all again because the love she received as a result of being a mother outweighed the evil state of affairs in the death of her child.

    See Part 6.
  • S Spencer - In Reply on Romans 8 - 1 year ago
    Part 4.

    God, Freedom, and Evil

    The problem of human evil is rooted in the nature of God and the nature of love and the nature of mankind. I argued in last month's Personal UPDATE that God is a personal being because an impersonal force is an insufficient agent to create personal beings.2 What is the greatest passion of personal beings? I would argue that, above all else, personal beings desire personal relationships with other personal beings. So it makes sense that God, as a personal being, would desire to create us in such a way that He could have a meaningful, personal, and loving relationship with us. But this has a severe price.

    Let us consider the nature of love and its consequences. I cannot experience love from you unless you have the capacity to do otherwise. If you have the capacity to not love me, and you choose instead to love me, then that choice has validity. It has meaning. You cannot have a love relationship with a computer. It is pre-programmed to serve you. Love requires choice: unencumbered choice. And that's where the problem lies.

    When God created mankind, He too had a choice. If He created us as beings that were pre-programmed to follow and serve Him, there could be no love. But, if He created us with the capacity of choice, the capacity to love and serve Him, and the capacity not to do so, then there is the possibility of relationship: the possibility of real love. As a personal being with the capability of creating us in the first place, it makes sense that He would want to create us as personal beings with the capability of choice (free will) and, thus, the capability of love. But where there is choice and the capability of love, there is also the capability to choose wrong and to do great evil.

    See Part 5.
  • S Spencer - In Reply on Romans 8 - 1 year ago
    Part 3.

    Atheists often present the problem of evil to theists as if it is a fatal argument for the existence of God. Nothing could be further from the truth. In reality, it is an absolutely unsolvable problem for the atheist. How does the atheist explain evil-the sense of moral right and wrong-in the absence of a moral Lawgiver? They can't! If there is no moral Lawgiver, then there is no way to explain the sense of moral wrong and moral right we all possess. C.S. Lewis said that evil is God's megaphone to a non-believing world. Evil speaks of moral law. Moral law demands a moral Lawgiver, and it is He that we call God!

    Evil Often Begets Good

    A second principle of logic we need to consider is the fact that an apparently evil state of affairs will often bring about an even better state of affairs. The problem is that we often do not recognize this fact until we have the advantage of hindsight. In my own field of medicine I see this on a daily basis: the process of childbirth, surgical intervention, and many medical therapies often present physical pain (an evil state of affairs according to non-theists), and yet they bring about an even better state of affairs: improved health. Physical pain is often highly beneficial as well. When a child touches a hot stove, the nervous system sends a neurological signal to the brain which is perceived as pain (a form of evil). Yet without that sense of pain, an even worse state of affairs would arise: the destruction of the limb.

    The skeptic might object that while this provides a partial answer to the problem of evil, it does not address some of the most disturbing forms of evil: war, murder, rape, incest and the senseless death of the innocent.

    See Part 4.
  • S Spencer - In Reply on Romans 8 - 1 year ago
    Part 2.

    Evil and Moral Law

    When someone states that they do not believe in God because a good God would not allow evil, they make a fatal error in logic. First, the recognition of evil is the recognition that certain actions are "right" and certain actions are "wrong." But how do we determine what actions are morally right and morally wrong? We discern this on the basis of a moral law: a universal sense that certain states of affairs are right and others are wrong. Even most atheists will admit that certain actions are universally wrong and, conversely, universally right.

    For example, no one could seriously argue with the statement that it is better to love a child than to torture it. The point is that there is an innate, universal sense of right and wrong within all of us. What is the basis of this moral sense? Some would argue that it is based on cultural customs or traditions. But can this be so?

    The famous atheist Bertrand Russell once debated a Christian who asked him if he believed in right and wrong. Russell replied "of course." Then he asked him how he determined what is right and wrong. Russell replied that he determined right and wrong on the basis of his feelings. His opponent replied, "Well, in some cultures they feel it is okay to eat you, and in others they don't. Which do you prefer." The point is that social customs, attitudes, traditions or feelings cannot determine a universal sense of right and wrong.

    A universal sense of moral right and wrong can only come from a source outside of ourselves: a transcendent source, a moral Lawgiver. So the recognition of moral law is by default the recognition of a moral Lawgiver. To argue that the existence of evil proves that there is no God is equivalent to stating that the existence of moral law proves that there is no Lawgiver! It's like declaring that the Chrysler automobile that I drive proves without a doubt that there is no Chrysler Motor Company!

    See Part 3.
  • S Spencer - In Reply on Romans 8 - 1 year ago
    Hi Don.

    Here's a interesting article from koinonia House.

    Part 1

    In my experience, it is the most commonly asked question by honest skeptics: "If God is real, if God is personal, if God loves us, why does God allow evil?" A proper understanding of this issue not only provides great insight into the nature of God, it ties together a comprehensive understanding to some of life's ultimate questions: the answers to my origin, meaning, morality and destiny!

    Email from A Skeptic

    The question of evil was brought into clearer focus in an email I recently received from a skeptic:

    The Christian worldview is an impractical, even phony, view of the Cosmos because it embraces a God who is either incapable of stopping evil and suffering, and he is therefore not omnipotent, or is unwilling to do so and therefore a devil!

    The skeptic's point is well taken because the Bible states that one of God's attributes is love. "He who does not love does not know God, for God is love." ( I John 4:8) In the book of Romans, Paul the Apostle stated that the invisible attributes of God "are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead."1

    However, what the skeptic is saying, in effect, is this: "If your God is love, I see no evidence of that attribute in creation. All the death, disease, pain and suffering seems to be out of place if this God of yours is love. Surely an all-powerful God could, and a loving God would, eliminate all evil. Since evil exists, then no such God exists."

    To answer this objection we need to examine some principles of logic, the nature of God, the nature of man, the nature of love and the nature of evil.

    See Part 2.
  • ELB - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Brother John:

    The tree of KNOWLEDGE of good and evil.

    The fruit of this tree is KNOWLEDGE.

    But; the KNOWLEDGE is both good and evil, both exist TOGETHER.

    They are ANTI each other.

    Christ has and ANTI, or the opposite. SATAN

    Christ is LIFE and TRUTH,

    ANTI-Christ (Satan) is DEATH and DECEPTION.

    TRUTH binds DECEPTION (Satan).

    But, DECEPTION binds TRUTH (Christ).

    The works of the cross made us a NEW CREATION, Christ in us.

    We have the scriptures, and NOW, Christ in us, the one who spoke the scriptures, to COME to TRUTH.

    Deception and death (Satan) are defeated.

    God Bless You!
  • T. Levis - In Reply on Romans 1 - 1 year ago
    Genesis 1:28, Genesis 9:11, Romans 1:17-32, 2Peter 3:9,

    Hopefully these are helpful
  • T. Levis - In Reply - 1 year ago
    John 17:13-19, 1Peter 4, Hebrews 11,

    Hopefully these are helpful
  • T. Levis - In Reply - 1 year ago
    2Peter 2:5-8,
  • Chris - In Reply on Romans 8 - 1 year ago
    I agree Don, this subject can be very intriguing. Each one has to come to grips with it in his own way according to the light granted him.

    My belief rests upon all the Scriptures I can bring together on theology; & even then I remain open to the many Truths that exist that I'm not privy to.

    From what you've written, I always try to separate what man sees & understands and what God already knows & determines accordingly. My (human) view is that God has granted me free will, even as I exercise it continually, daily. In respect to spiritual conversion, I responded to His Spirit's bearing upon me. But did my free will & reception of Jesus catch God by surprise & compelled Him to alter His Plans for my life, both present & into eternity? No.

    Because of God's View: He already knew I would exercise the free will granted me & the resulting paths I would tread in life, either destined for good or evil. Then as a believer, hopefully I will no longer exercise my Will according to carnal determinations but to the Spirit's leading.

    And likewise with re-birth: as much as Christ's Sacrifice has availed for all mankind, not all will respond to the plea. Does God then select who He wants & who will be rejected? Or is His 'selection' fully based on what He already knows will transpire with each soul? Or else, how could it be said that "He is not willing that ANY should perish, but that all should come to repentance"?

    With that said, it can be erroneously assumed that God is partial & conducts a lottery to accept some & reject others. If a man is damned for eternity, it's because he has refused to turn from sin & to a waiting Savior & will not have excuse in that day of judgement saying, 'I tried to come but I was refused or was not destined by God to be saved '.

    So Ron, I always try & understand such 'mysteries' from God's perspective & because of Who He is, because my human view will always lead me to error & confusion. May He lead you in your further thoughts on this.
  • John - 1 year ago
    I believe in Jesus Christ he wins at the end but they say that the God of this world is the devil just like to know what is HE capable of doing and I know he has his children too I was just wondering I'm not afraid of him I fear God Jesus Christ more just like to have some input that's all it'd be appreciated if you get a h tell me where to find it I'm kind of slow sometimes I feel like I'm in a battle I just like to know how I can fight better thank you again
  • Streetpreacher - In Reply - 1 year ago
    You can read of Adams genealogy, in the Bible or,

    By Googling the Genealogical Chart.

    One note, as a rule daughters were not recorded unless they had a specific role in the Story of Jesus's Ancestry
  • John - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Thank you for the information I read it again so I can understand I understand what you said thank you again I'm kind of slow
  • GiGi again - In Reply on Mark 15 - 1 year ago
    Dear Les,

    Our members of congress are elected into office and do not play any priestly role in our society. The chief priests were appointed within the Sanhedrin (which is not Mosaic in origin-rather came about from the babylonian exile which also brought about the synagogues and rabbinic order). These chief priests were of the particular lineage of Levi through Aaron, who, only, could be priests from the tribe of Levi. The priests served in when they came of age in some capacity with the temple worship and ceremonies. The High priests or Chief priests were priests who were elevated to a position of authority and rank above the other priests. So, in these respects the chief priests were not like our members of Congress.

    But, it is believed that there was much corruption among the Chief priests of Jesus' day. They also held political power (in a religious sense) in some way. So in this respect, they are similar to our members of Congress.
  • Streetpreacher - In Reply on 2 Corinthians 5:9 - 1 year ago
    Thank you for your post.
  • BOOTS ON THE GROUND - In Reply on Ezekiel 10 - 1 year ago
    I'm not being irreverent. Jesus gave us lots of signs to keep watch for.

    The thief

    The Ten Virgins

    The Abomination of Desolation

    Matthew 24, and Luke 21, Revelation

    I keep my focus on what Jesus said. Trying to set dates can be confusing. Think of how many books have been written on the Rapture/Caught Up in the Clouds?

    Movies, TV Series, Tape Series

    Why do we not DO what Jesus said to be doing?

    Go ye__into your world, neighborhood, city, state, etc.

    Evangelize the lost

    Be a missionary at World Challenge ministry

    Heal the Sick

    Raise the Dead (dead feelings)

    Give to all who ask of you

    Streetpreacher
  • Roy - In Reply on Matthew 12 - 1 year ago
    Thank you

    Roy
  • GiGi - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Grae,

    Thank you for pointing me to that Scripture in Matthew. I know it well. I want to be able to hear the Lord say to me, "Well done, good and faithful servant." not so much for my reward, but that I can know that I honored God with my lifestyle as He so deserves. To Him be the glory always.

    Thank you for your thoughts on my Mom's passing. She lived 88 1/2 years in this life. It was a life of financial poverty and hard work for her. She accepted the lot in life God chose for her. She now has eternity to be with Jesus and receive the riches of dwelling with Him without end. I am happy for her.
  • Even devils knew who Paul was :D - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Acts Chapter 19

    13 Then certain of the vagabond Jews, exorcists, took upon them to call over them which had evil spirits the name of the Lord Jesus, saying, We adjure you by Jesus whom Paul preacheth.

    14 And there were seven sons of one Sceva, a Jew, and chief of the priests, which did so.

    15 And the evil spirit answered and said, Jesus I know, and Paul I know; but who are ye?

    16 And the man in whom the evil spirit was leaped on them, and overcame them, and prevailed against them, so that they fled out of that house naked and wounded.
  • Sauls Name Changed to Paul - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Acts Chapter 13

    7 Which was with the deputy of the country, Sergius Paulus, a prudent man; who called for Barnabas and Saul, and desired to hear the word of God.

    8 But Elymas the sorcerer (for so is his name by interpretation) withstood them, seeking to turn away the deputy from the faith.

    9 Then Saul, (who also is called Paul,) filled with the Holy Ghost, set his eyes on him,

    10 And said, O full of all subtilty and all mischief, thou child of the devil, thou enemy of all righteousness, wilt thou not cease to pervert the right ways of the Lord?
  • Alphaspr80 - 1 year ago
    What does eleventh signify in the Bible?
  • Robin - 1 year ago
    what two things do the"days of noah"have in common with the" days of lot?"
  • Alex N - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Amen bro. elb gbu...in jesus name...
  • ELB - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Brother John:

    We are here to be brought to TRUTH.

    Ephesians 4:4 ..... ONE BODY (man)......ONE SPIRIT (LIFE)(God) ......

    Man is the BODY (of God).

    God is LIFE, in HIS BODY (man).

    Amos 3:3 Can TWO (the LIFE and the BODY) walk TOGETHER without being AGREED?

    Colossians 1:27 ....this mystery ......Christ in you ......

    Philippians 2:13 For it is God (Christ in you) that worketh IN YOU (his BODY) both TO WILL and TO DO his good pleasure.

    God Bless YOU, HIS BODY.
  • Ronnette - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Sons of God:

    Galatians 2:20

    I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

    2 Corinthians 6:16

    And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people

    Psalms 43:4

    Then will I go unto the altar of God, unto God my exceeding joy: yea, upon the harp will I praise thee, O God my God.

    Psalms 56:4

    In God I will praise his word, in God I have put my trust; I will not fear what flesh can do unto me.

    Job 34:12

    Yea, surely God will not do wickedly, neither will the Almighty pervert judgment.

    Ephesians 5:17

    Wherefore be ye not unwise, but understanding what the will of the Lord is.

    Stay in the Kingdom of God:

    Romans 14:17

    For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.

    1 Corinthians 4:20

    For the kingdom of God is not in word, but in power.
  • ELB - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Amen and Amen, Brother Alex: Your quote of God's word.

    Romans 2:8 For the LAW (the living WORD) of the Spirit of LIFE IN (and of) CHRIST hath made ME (his body) free from the LAW (the written word) of sin and death.

    Romans 6:23 For the wages of SIN (the written Law) is DEATH, but the GIFT of God is eternal (living LAW) LIFE.

    God Bless YOU, his body.
  • Ronnette - In Reply on Romans 11 - 1 year ago
    S Spencer:

    2 Timothy 2:15

    Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

    Romans 7:19

    For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.

    Romans 7:20

    Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

    Romans 7:25

    I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

    Romans 15:33

    Now the God of peace be with you all. Amen.
  • Adam - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Matthew 7:21-23

    "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven."

    Matthew 12:32 "...but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come."

    Hebrews 10:26 "For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,"

    John 14:15 "If ye love me, keep my commandments."

    1 Peter 1:5 - "...salvation ready to be revealed in the last time."

    James 2:19 "Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble."


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