David Persecuted as was Jesus Christ later - In Reply on Psalms 102 - 1 year ago
Historical Commentary
Psalms 109:2
For the mouth of the wicked and the mouth of the deceitful
are opened against me
Or "of deceit" F24 itself; most wicked and very deceitful men, who sometimes flattered and pretended friendship, as the Jews did to Christ, when they designed ill against him; though at other times their mouths were opened, and they poured out their calumnies and reproaches very freely and largely; traducing his person, and aspersing his character as a wicked man; blaspheming his miracles, as if done by the help of the devil; charging his doctrine with novelty, falsehood, and blasphemy; loading him with invidious names, as Samaritan, madman, &c; representing him as an enemy to the state, as a seditious person, and a disturber of the nation's peace; particularly their mouths were opened against him when they called for his crucifixion, and would have no denial; and especially when he was on the cross, where they gaped upon him with their mouths, and poured out their scoffs and jeers at him; see ( Psalms 22:14 ) .
They have spoken against me with a lying tongue,
false witnesses rose up against him, and laid things to his charge he knew nothing of, and which they could not prove, ( Matthew 26:59-61 ) .
I would say yes. You might enjoy some of Nelson Walters videos on YouTube. Start with the older ones and move to current.
Israel is being surrounded by her enemies: Iran, Syria, Turkey, Russia, Oman and more. They are all determined to take Israel's inheritance from Abraham.
His firstborn son (ISHMAEL)with Sarah's (Palestinian maid) Hagar; was for power, wealth, many peoples.
Abraham's wife Sarah, had one son Issac. He received the land of Israel through the blood covenant God made with Abraham.
Ishmael = Gods permissive will
Issac= Gods perfect will
Later Isaac's name would be changed to Israel.
Israel has been giving land for peace with the Palestinians. But he doesn't have the right to give away what God gave to Abraham and and his covenant wife Sarah.
Now, the Palestinians are making deals with Russia, China, Turkey, etc to "wipe Israel off the map". Iran wants to be the first to strike the first blow (with a nuke).
Realistically, if Iran fires off a nuke, the fallout would cover Iran and Israel. They don't see this. Israel is not even TEN MILES IN WIDTH. The nuke would kill off Iran too.
China and Russia would probably either share the remains of what I don't know? I'm thinking nuked ground might be hot for a long long time.
Nelson keeps us up to date with who has what, and what if any progress is being made to convince everyone that nuking a nation that is the APPLE OF GODS EYE, is not a good plan.
If you watch disasters taking place around the planet, you would see every nation is under the gun. Half of the USA is in SEVERE DROUGHT=NO WATER =NO CROPS= LESS FOOD. COWS CANT EAT DUST OR TUMBLEWEEDS.
Our Government can't see the problems for all the plans he has for raising taxes on everyone. He's clueless to realities: like, solar storms on the sun, can knock out power grids that deliver CLEAN OILESS ENERGY. If the electric cars have no electricity from solar_how long does it take to do a reboot on ON OIL PRODUCTION??
"They shall no more teach their brothers or their neighbors know the LORD...They shall ALL KNOW ME FROM THE LEAST TO THE GREATEST..."
But does that literally mean that there is no need to be tought anything about Jesus because God's Spirit will do that Himself? Is that literal? Have we so far, for 2 th. years, seen something like that? Have you met any person, any church, that can claim that God tought him/them the Gospel personally? I haven't heard or read anything like that. As far something like that hasn't existed so far, it makes me believe that the above scripture must be interpeted in a different way.
2. Angels do not evangelize people. We don't see that anywhere in the NT. Remember the angel that was sent to Cornelious? He pointed out apostle Peter to him, he himself didn't say or teach anything about salvation. You are right about the angel in Revelation, but my belief is that he was send to evangelize people because after the rapture of the church just before the appearance of antichrist there will be no church to speak to people, and hence an angel will be sent together with the 2 prophets to do this task.
3. The New Covenant was made by God actually. But in any case that we have a covenant or a testament both sides involved must sign or accept it so it becomes valid. If either side do not accept it never becomes valid. God will never step back. So it is in man's hand to accept it or reject it. Some accept it and some, the most, reject it. If one rejects the salvation offered by God, will God eventually force him in Heaven? Sorry but I don't think so. If that was the case why do we bother to evangelize people? Stay home, God will do that. Why live a pure life and restrict ourselfs from the pleasures of sin, we will be saved anyway. Why the early christians threw themselves to the lions and fires and suffer so many persecutions if saved anyway?
Bro. Dan good post but lets remember we are not under the law....The New Covenant trumps the Old Covenant...If ya read Isaiah 1 ..God tells Israel their feast days and their sabbaths days and their solome assemblies were an abomination to him....Their hands were full of blood etc.....Their hearts were not right before God...Thus their Sabbaths and their Solome Assemblies and all their Incence burning was an abomination to him....Your new moons and your appointed feasts my Soul Hateth .. Isaiah 1 : 11 ...Thats y God wanted anew covenant...All these works did not change their hearts....Thus the need for a new Covenant a new Birth of CHRIST IN US THE SON OF MAN....But under this New Covenant a day is a 1000 yrs as Peter tells us.....Thus that day of rest is a 1000 yr day when Christ will reign on the Earth and his KINGDOM will be in our hearts...That 7 th millennium....That Heavenly Sabbath...As Isaiah saw the whole world at REST and full of his GLORY.... Isaiah 14 : 7 kjv...Our rest is in Christ
.....But Bro Dan lets remember if righteousness came by the law then Christ died in vain.... Gal. 2 : 21 k lemme go
If the early christians actually celebrated Sabbath what was the purpose of selecting another day, the next to Sabbath, to gather together? They honoured that day by naming it the Lord's Day, they had their formal congregation on that day, also the Holly Communion took place on that day. What for, since they had the Holly Day of Sabbath (assuming that)? By the way Sunday was not a holiday or a rest day for the ancient world so for them to choose it as their formal day. For ancients every day was a working day, they didn't have a rest day during the week, actually the Roman week was an 8 day week with no weekend rest. Only in the third century AD, when a large part of Rome became christians, emperor Constantine declared a 7 day week with Sunday as a rest day, similar to the Jewish week. Pay attention Sunday not Saturday (Sabbath). So Sunday was not a special day for christians in the very early time to select it as the Lord's Day, but still did that and ignored Saturday.
Again hstorically speaking, there is no mention of Sabbath in the writings of the early christian writters, or the so called Apostolic Fathers or those after them. Historical churches like the R/Catholics and the Eastern Orthodox churches never practiced Sabbaths. One can argue that those churches have many faults bur still if there was a Sabbath celebration in the beginning wouldn't they keep that practice? Surely they would.
I think brother Chris has also some very good points on this argument.
Anyway it's good for all of us to have these conversations. God bless you all.
Hello Cindy. The Psalmist (it doesn't indicate that it was David), is seen here in great anguish in mind & spirit. From verses 1 to 11 are his groanings about his plight. We first see that in verse 4, his pain is so great that even hunger eludes him. Then in verse 9, he gives us a picture of him writhing on the ground, in the dirt (& probably in dust & ashes that were often used to indicate deep sorrow), moaning & weeping. In his pain & drawing of breath, he takes in the dust & ashes; these becoming his food instead of real sustenance. Likewise, his tears flowing down his face into his mouth, becoming his drink. While in this sad state, he couldn't care about his welfare, rather he was overcome with grief & pain, that death was near his door (vv23,24) - food & drink could come later when God would see his pain & answer his prayer (v17).
4. So which is the Sabbath Day? The Sabbath was given only to Israel ( Exodus 31:12-17) - no one else. It, along with Circumcision, marked them as 'belonging to the LORD'. No other people or nation ever received this, or any other, Law to obey. The Gentiles coming to Christ after the Gospel was preached & received, were never compelled to come under the Law in any shape or form. How could they be brought under the Law that only killed? Efforts were made to bring them under the Law, but that was rejected ( Galatians 2:11-21). For indeed, "if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain." The Jewish Sabbath, along with all Laws, was cast aside, having no more bearing on the one 'in Christ'. Our righteousness, given by God, can never be from the Laws to obey or the Sabbath to observe - our righteousness is found in Christ alone, Who not only perfectly fulfilled the whole Law on our behalf, but opened the "new & living way", that only by His Power can we ever properly do His Will.
As soon as we appeal to the Laws, even the Sabbath, we place ourselves under them, & by them we will be judged. And Sunday (the first day of the week) has never been a Sabbath for those in Christ - it is & always has been the day prescribed to be set aside to come together for worship ( Acts 20:7; 1 Corinthians 16:2).
3. Jesus and the Law. Jesus kept the Law perfectly - what man could not do. Jesus lived among His people who were still under the Law & to the Law He pointed them. When He asked them to "keep HIS Commandments" ( John 14:15,21), it referred to not only the given Law but to the meaning & intent of the Laws He brought to them. I see that Jesus' Presence & Words (to His disciples) were the foretaste of what the old Law once declared & what He was now bringing them that gave them a glimpse to the Laws' higher demands met only in the power of the Spirit. And one day in the future, the apostles would understand what He meant & would have the power to live under His Laws & not the old Law.
Matthew 5:17-20. The Jews were bound to the Law, to obey it fully, not as was declared by the Pharisees (that some laws more important than others). And Jesus too was bound by that same Law, not to destroy it, but by His Coming He was to fulfil it. And this He did at Calvary, fulfilling all the laws (moral & ceremonial) perfectly. But would men see it & believe it?
Thank you Charrisse for that lengthy explanation. I'll write briefly on each main point that I see.
1. Sabbath observance by those before Moses. You shared Genesis 26:5. We have been given no indication what these were: "my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws." We can learn of God's clear directions given to Abraham but to include what we believe were His Statutes, Commandments, & Laws without being specified, remains only a guess. To believe that the Sabbath command was given prior to Moses lacks evidence both in clarity & historically.
2. The Law of Moses. Certainly, it contained "codes for ordinances & ceremonies (including feast & Holy days etc), sacrificial ceremony, health, civil laws, treatment of animals, treatment of slaves etc". But it also contained the "Commands of God". As David charged Solomon in 1 Kings 2:3: "And keep the charge of the LORD thy God, to walk in his ways, to keep his statutes, and his commandments, and his judgments, and his testimonies, as it is written in the law of Moses". Did Moses in his book also include God's Decalogue, so that Solomon would always have the whole Law & Counsel of God at his fingertips? One could argue, 'well Solomon could have reached into the Ark of the Covenant to review them', but it remains a personal opinion of what the Law of Moses actually did contain.
Then Paul in 2 Corinthians 3:6-11, speaks more specifically on that which was "engraven in stones". He called it "the ministration of death". If those tablets from God was glorious, but instead of giving life, it brought death (in its design), how much more would the ministration of the Spirit would be even more glorious. As the glory of Moses' countenance faded away, Paul says that so to would the Law fade away as that which remaineth (the ministration of righteousness) by the Spirit exceeded it in glory.
I'm very familiar with the scriptures you have shared, and they must harmonize with Romans 6:1-12 and also Romans 8:7-14. Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
The scriptures you have shared accompanied with the ones I've shared suggest that Sanctification follows Salvation.
"IF" we are connected to the vine we WILL bare fruit.
When God began working on my heart I was lead to this website and it helped me tremendously. Having no real Christian connections it truly allowed me to feel connected to some of "the right people." I received great information, encouragement and a little love when I really needed some! It became a candle in the darkness.
I hope you enjoyed your day today brother and praise God for the breath in our lungs on this day! What a blessing!
We are all sinners. In different ways. God still loves us and offers the opportunity to adjust and correct the paths we walk upon. Daily. He saved me and I'm here to tell you, He can save you.
Are you familiar with the parable of the lost sheep? ( Luke 15) If not it is wonderful to read while placing ourselves "in the hooves" of the lost sheep. Check it out!
Do not allow the condemnation of others to push you away from God. A true Christian should firstly approach this issue and others with the love that our Father has provided to each of us, when we were sinful or blinded. (We are not the Hebrew Israelites standing on corners shaming people. That is not what Jesus did.) Should you seek Jesus, you will find him. Which requires laying down of many things. To receive a new heart.
Homosexuality is a sin as well as heterosexual without marriage is fornication, stealing, killing, etc. When we accept Christ in our life, "On his terms" ( Romans-10:9-10.) he saves us. This comes after knowing we are sinners and condemned without him.
John 3:16-18. Notice the emphasis on believe in these verses?
God gives us his spirit to convict us, guide us, teach us and gives the power and strength to change us. Change may not come immediately but the guilt will. You coming on the site may have expressed that. Salvation is the works of Christ alone but when we're saved we are to bare fruit of righteousness and repent. Sanctification is a work of the Holyspirit. Being made new we shouldn't continue in sin. Not perfection but a continuance of progression. Romans 6:1-11.
Keep in prayer, God will judge you by your heart. If your heart is pure change will follow.
c. Which then leads us to Hebrews chapter 4, where many Israelites died having failed to enter into Rest (the Promised Land) because of their unbelief. Then we read that, as God rested on the 7th Day (v4), there must be a future day of rest for His people. Joshua (v8) couldn't give them that rest even though many made it through to Canaan. Even David (coming after Joshua), spoke of God promising another day of rest (for those who've not hardened their hearts as earlier): vv6-8; Psalm 95:7-11. "There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God" (v9).
d. So are we talking about a Sabbath Rest here or a Spiritual Rest that would come to those who no longer are wearily trying to justify themselves before God by trusting in the Law to be acceptable? The Rest those in Christ now enjoy have not only crucified the flesh but have their trust & hope in the One Who was crucified for them, to put an end to the Law that only brought death & punishment & never gave Rest."
No we are talking about the Law of God that is for eternity, for all time and stands for all of God's creation to keep. The rest the sabbath offers is all encompassing and is both spiritual and physical and a sign between God's people and Him.
The counterfeit sabbath of satan, SUNday has been the perfect trojan horse to lead people away from obedience to God and at the end of time Revelation 13 tells us satan will use the beast, to enforce a global counterfeit worship system.
God calls His people out of this false system Revelation 18:4 and this includes rejecting the counterfeit sabbath day.
I agree with you that every day should be Holy to Christians, and we should try to walk with Christ each day of our lives.
Please keep in mind that the Sabbath is a GIFT that God gave mankind to show us that he loves us and cares for us. The 7th day Sabbath is primarily for mankind to rest our MIND and BODY, and to reflect on our blessings and have the time to really give thanks, without all of the worldly disruptions. It's a special day, to take a much needed break from our work, and the stress of living in this hectic world. God created us, and he knows our body and mind better than anyone - He created us. You can trust Him!
Mark 2:27
"And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:"
GOD ordained that the Sabbath should be a blessing, and not a burden! I don't understand why so many Christian's today take this Commandment to be a burden.
Hebrews 4:9
"There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God."
Hebrews 4:10
"For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his."
So, God gave his people (Christian's a time to rest) a gift, that we should accept and use. This Sabbath is a gift from GOD, and not dissimilar to the gift that God gave us for Salvation. Why would Christian's accept "the gift of salvation" but not "the gift of the 7th Day Sabbath??? Both come directly from God!
We are saved by grace through faith and sanctified by the Holy Spirit who changes our character and imputes Christ's righteousness to us so that we may be obedient to God's law - we cannot do it in own strength and we are not saved by doing it. We are motivated to do this firstly because we love God and then out of a consequence of being saved.
Revelation 14:12 describes God's people as follows ' Here is the patience of the saints, Here are they that keep the commandments of God and have the faith of Jesus Christ'.
Keeping the Moral of Law of God does not save us, only Grace does. Revelation 14:12 tells of a people who faithfully endure to keep the commandments of God as an outcome of faith. Jesus says in John chapter 15:10 - 10If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
Furthermore Paul clarifies the relationship between Grace, Law and obedience - Romans 6:1
1What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?2God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?3Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
God's last day remnant people are also identified in Revelation 12:17 - And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Satan in these final days is waging one last mighty global war against God's law to establish his false kingdom, challenging God's authority and His last remnant children who keep the commandments of God and whose lives testify that they belong to Jesus which testify to His renewing power and miraculous changing of human character from one of being sin sick to
living in freedom in the spirit and obedience to God.
The Moral law contains the Love and legal code God has for His Universe and beloved children. It is;
Written in stone by God's own finger - Exodus 31:18, Deuteronomy 4:12-13, 9:10
Has always existed & will be kept throughout eternity and throughout all the universe - Psalm 111:7,8, Romans 5:19 refers to Adam sinning in the Garden of Eden
Jesus said He did not come to destroy it but to fulfil it - Matt 5:17 - 19
Jesus said 'If you love me keep my commandments' John 14:15 and that 'He is the Lord of the Sabbath - Mark 2:28 - yet never mentions it being dissolved or changed
God's people are commanded to keep the Commandments of God for all eternity & God's people are identified by it because they keep it out of love to God and by faith - Exodus 19:5, Ecclesiastes 12:13,14, Psalm 111:7,8, Revelation 14:12, 12:17
Lives in the heart of God's children - Psalms 40:8
We are judged by them - James 2:12
Blessed with access to the Tree of Life if you keep them by faith - Revelation 22:14
Your reference to including the 7th day weekly Sabbath in with the Mosaic sabbaths (plural) included in ordinances of the Law of Moses does not stand up to close scrutiny.
The italic of the 'days' in verse 16 emphasizes the plurality of the multiple sabbaths in the law of Moses which is distinct to the Moral 10 commandment law of God.
Most respectfully your reference to Colossians 2:14-17 is a mish mash including an implied reference to Hebrews chapters 10:1 and a misrepresentation of Colossians chapter 2's application only to the law of Moses..
The entire paragraph starting at Colossian 2:14 and ending in verse 17 clearly shows that the reference Paul is making is limited to the 'Handwriting of ordinances' which was contrary to us, nailing it to His cross'. The reference confirmed in verse 16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days" is a clear reference to the law of Moses and limits this reference only to the Law of Moses and NOT the Moral 10 Commandment Law of God.
How do we know this for sure? Because the Law of Moses was:
Written by Moses using a scribe who wrote on paper using handwriting of The book - Deuteronomy 31:24
Contains the codes for ordinances & ceremonies (including feast & Holy days etc), sacrificial ceremony, health, civil laws, treatment of animals, treatment of slaves etc - Leviticus 18: 3 & 4, 1 Corinthians 9:9
Whereas the 10 commandment Moral of God makes no reference to Drinks, meat offerings, ordinances, new moons or an holy day and does not contain multiple sabbaths - but the Law of Moses contains ALL of these.
The reference you make to Colossians 2 verse 17 again confirms that this cannot refer to the Moral law of God and therefore cannot include the weekly sabbath as being nailed to the cross.
How so? Because as you say it was 'a shadow' - this shadow of a law concept links this scripture verse 17 with Hebrews 10:1
In reply to your question Chris what Scriptures would you use to show that Noah or Abraham observed the Sabbath?
There are none directly for Noah but there is for Abraham but we can deduce how the
knowledge of God's will and law was passed down from Adam to Noah and then
subsequently to Abraham and up to and before Moses.
Noah was born just 10 generations from Adam to a Godly family and was well recognised
for being perfect in his generations, for his trust in God and humble faith Genesis
6:11-9:19).
It is very likely that Noah had been instructed in the knowledge of God. But by whom?
Enoch was Noah's great Grandfather and was the special friend of God who was translated
to heaven - He walked with God.
Enoch was a descendant of Adam through the Seth line and Adam was still alive when
Enoch was a young man. Given that the Sabbath was established and sanctified in Eden at
the end of creation week ( Genesis 2: 1-3, Exodus 20:11) it is worthy and logical to consider
that God taught Adam the requirement to keep the Holy law of God including the 7th day
Sabbath and who then would have taught his descendants.
The direct reference to Abraham keeping God's commandments before the Law being given to Moses is here: Genesis 26:5 - 'Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes and my laws'.
The Bible has been clear since a child being told learn the prayers as Jesus said, Psalms 23, Matthew 6:9-13. We are too suffer to turn to love God and follow his Son and live righteously and follow the 10 Commandments. (Leaving God for your own way does not work.) The Word comes alive and the Holy Spirit leads into all truth. Yes the Rapture will come 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17. 1 Corinthians 15:52 In a twinkling of an eye the trumpet will sound and the dead will rise and we are changed (we being His). The Holy Spirit came and we are freely offered to be one with the Lord. Matthew 24:27 For as lightning coming out of the east, and shineth even unto the west, so shall the coming of the Son of man be.
Why would Jesus followers and worshippers of God be left to suffer in tribulation when we are already changed. My guess is without insult is the Rapture non believers need to study more. The more I dug in with reading the Bible, praying on knees and going to church the more I heard the voice of the Lord. As a child I noticed after memorizing the prayers I heard His voice and he put on me to believe every word of the Bible. I knew never ever argue with the Bible, the Spirit fed me that always. You have to believe to feel or hear the Spirit confirm. The Bible comes alive when you know who you belong too. The Spirit has never once pointed out do not believe this verse. God is love and he wants you to love him, honor him, obey him. He wants to save you and he wants you to be ready for Jesus coming for his very own, we will meet the dead and the Lord in the air, 1 Thess4:17. Then when Jesus returns to wage war we will be with him. When you know God you know his promises to never leave you nor forsake you. When heaven opens and the Lamb of God comes to wage war, he will accompanied by his called and chosen and faithful ones, Revelation 17:14. Any doubt in your mind then work on being called and chosen and being a faithful one. Do right in His sight and believe. GBY
I praise God for your response. Grace and peace unto you from our God, the Father in Heaven and the Lord Jesus Christ.
Time is short. We can see 2 Timothy 3 today.
As you know Timothy 4.
I think it is important to do the following:
1. Pray (for others, each other, lost people to be saved, Believers for their holiness until Jesus comes, and ALL Leaders in-charged to do the right thing)
2. Study the Bible ( 2 Timothy 2:15)
Finally sharing our experience helps everyone to see that Jesus Christ is alive and waiting for the fullness of the Gentiles for the glory of God.
Romans 11:25
For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
Ephesians 4:13
Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
I read most comments on this site and we need to be in one mind:
1 Corinthians 14:33
For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
doeth.
Romans 12:16
Be of the same mind one toward another. Mind not high things, but condescend to men of low estate. Be not wise in your own conceits.
1 Peter 3:8
Finally, be ye all of one mind, having compassion one of another, love as brethren, be pitiful, be courteous:
Philippians 2:2
Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind.
Romans 15:6
That ye may with one mind and one mouth glorify God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.
2 Corinthians 13:11
Finally, brethren, farewell. Be perfect, be of good comfort, be of one mind, live in peace; and the God of love and peace shall be with you.
Thank you for the opportunity to read your comments. Rejoice evermore!
you got it. Mark 10: 27 And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men it is impossible, but not with GOd: for with God all things are possible. I don't need to know details, God already knows.
Hi Gi Gi ..no the purpose of the marriage is to multiply himself in humanity with his precious seed the words of the book, That are not only the new covenant but they are living words ....living beings which answer to the babes and sucklings his offspring...Spirits .Thats y he said that which is born of the spirit is spirit...living words baby Christs plural...That was the great Promise to multiply very God in humanity ...Thats y he is saying to whom the word came it made them Gods....Thats y God swore by his very self impling that God wants a posterity an Israel of God that is gona be as the stars of heaven in multitudes...A HEAVENLY ppl that cannot sin simply b/c they are born of God...As the scripture says them that are born of God cannot not sin...Our new innerman is the H.G. that is born of God and cannot sin....Thats what God wanted all alone was a perfect ppl....Be ye perfect as your father in heaven is perfect.
......We are gonna marry our sons...which is the H.G. that is born to us via his seed the words of the book etc...Thats y Isaiah is saying as a young man marries a virgin so shall thy SONS MARRY THEE....As the bridegroom rejoices over the bride so shall thy GOD REJOICE OVER THEE ....We are gona be married to our sons which are Spirits the H.G....The spirit and the flesh are gona be made 1... Isaiah 62 : 5....We must birth a new innnerman which is the H.G. that Child of Promise...Why do we refer to the H.G. as the Promise simply b/c the H.G. is the multiplication of very God in us via the seed of CHRIST, he is the Child of Promise...Thats y Jesus is saying unless you receive the Kingdom of God as a LIL CHILD ( A BIRTH ) You will in no wise enter there in...But Isaiah was very bold and says a lil CHILD is gonna lead them...the Child being the HG That Child of Promise. Our new innerman ....ok lemme go G. LOVE YA
Hello again Amy. I had a lot typed; but I erased all of it; because God wants me; and you; and all of us; to stand on HIS Word; NOT on MAN'S Word. (I use caps not to 'yell' but to stress points since there is no option on here for bold type or underscoring.)
God does NOT CARE what ANY mere man says Amy; and I write this with love; not condemnation.
When we die; we will not stand before Trump or any man. While we are alive; we answer to God; and take directions from God.
I shared numerous Scriptures with you Amy; and I feel to say, "IT. IS. WRITTEN...."
God's Word stands far above ANY words that man says. There should be no need for further explanations about why thinking Trump is 'something', God's Word is enough; so I won't give you any 'arguments' or 'discussions' from my flesh; they will avail you nor I nor anyone else anything good; only The unerring Word of God will help.
I will share with you a few Christian sites I found that I think might help you to overcome the last-days deception that so MANY of us...INCLUDING MYSELF...were embroiled in concerning Trump. We MUST be on our HIGHEST GUARD now; more than EVER BEFORE Amy; because we ARE in the last days; and "Be sober-minded; watch. Your adversary the devil prowls about as a roaring lion seeking whom to devour". 1 Peter 5:8.
If deception APPEARED AS deception Amy; NO ONE would be ABLE to be deceived. But deception is like a vapor, it wafts under our noses and we take it in without realizing we've inhaled poison.
Here's one more Scripture for you Amy: Isaiah 42:8 ESV / I am the Lord; that is my name; my glory I give to no other, nor my praise to carved idols.
Please resist the urge to feel angry at what I shared Amy; I'm not berating you; I'm trying to encourage you. To pull you out of the lions mouth. He has a good hold of you Amy; and WILL; if you ALLOW HIM TO; TOTALLY DEVOUR YOU. May The Lord help you with all of this. Take care Amy.
Thank you, Lord...for your grace, mercy, forgiveness, protection, guidance, peace and for your unfailing love.
"There's A Great Day Coming By & BY"
Matt. 11: 28-30 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.Take my yoke upon you and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.
Loving Father, I want to press on in my Christian life, to become more and more like the Lord Jesus. I know thatit will require me to put my hand to the plough and press on, with the patient endurance that only comes from You. I pray thatI may not lose heart or grow weary in doing the good works that You have prepared for me to do. Thank You that in due time I may reap a fruitful reward, if I do not give up. In Jesus' name I pray, AMEN.
I donot believe that we have free will now at this present time....We think we have free will but as Bro. Paul said when i wd do good evil is present with me...O wretched man that i am with my mind i serve the law of God but with my Flesh the law of sin who shall deliver me from this law of sin that dwells in me....And Jesus said whosoever sins in the servant of sin...Thus as long as we sin we are servants of sin thus no free will....And 1 st.. John 1 : 38 said sin is of the devil...Whosoever sins is of the devil and for this cause was the son of God CRUSIFIED that he might destroy the works of the devil.
......The Pharisees told Jesus we were neva in bondage to any man....But Jesus replied whosoever sins is the servant of sin and the SERVANT abides not in the house forever but the son abide forever....Thus as long as we sin we are not in free will...This corruptible has to put on incorruptilble and this mortal has to put on immortallity...then we will have free will....But not as long as we have a sinful nature...Thats y we must be bornagain of an incorruptible seed...Even by the words of God which is the book in the righthand of the FATHER THE NEW COVENANT.
....I know that the scripture says the spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made us free from the law of sin and death..But as long as we sin without the New Birth ( the spirit of life ) The contents of the book..we have no free will simply b/c Jesus warns us Whosoever sins is the servant of sin....Even Paul had no free will as he says when i wd do good evil is present with me etc....Paul was envolved in a war with his old adamic nature and the tares thus he had no free till his corruption puts on incorruption and his immoral puts on immortality...Oh wretched man that i am who shall deliver me from the bondage of this death...Paul said he saw another law in his members waring against the law of my mind bringing me unto CAPTIVITY to the law of sin in my members...Oh wretched man that i am...No free will yet.
Psalms 109:2
For the mouth of the wicked and the mouth of the deceitful
are opened against me
Or "of deceit" F24 itself; most wicked and very deceitful men, who sometimes flattered and pretended friendship, as the Jews did to Christ, when they designed ill against him; though at other times their mouths were opened, and they poured out their calumnies and reproaches very freely and largely; traducing his person, and aspersing his character as a wicked man; blaspheming his miracles, as if done by the help of the devil; charging his doctrine with novelty, falsehood, and blasphemy; loading him with invidious names, as Samaritan, madman, &c; representing him as an enemy to the state, as a seditious person, and a disturber of the nation's peace; particularly their mouths were opened against him when they called for his crucifixion, and would have no denial; and especially when he was on the cross, where they gaped upon him with their mouths, and poured out their scoffs and jeers at him; see ( Psalms 22:14 ) .
They have spoken against me with a lying tongue,
false witnesses rose up against him, and laid things to his charge he knew nothing of, and which they could not prove, ( Matthew 26:59-61 ) .
Israel is being surrounded by her enemies: Iran, Syria, Turkey, Russia, Oman and more. They are all determined to take Israel's inheritance from Abraham.
His firstborn son (ISHMAEL)with Sarah's (Palestinian maid) Hagar; was for power, wealth, many peoples.
Abraham's wife Sarah, had one son Issac. He received the land of Israel through the blood covenant God made with Abraham.
Ishmael = Gods permissive will
Issac= Gods perfect will
Later Isaac's name would be changed to Israel.
Israel has been giving land for peace with the Palestinians. But he doesn't have the right to give away what God gave to Abraham and and his covenant wife Sarah.
Now, the Palestinians are making deals with Russia, China, Turkey, etc to "wipe Israel off the map". Iran wants to be the first to strike the first blow (with a nuke).
Realistically, if Iran fires off a nuke, the fallout would cover Iran and Israel. They don't see this. Israel is not even TEN MILES IN WIDTH. The nuke would kill off Iran too.
China and Russia would probably either share the remains of what I don't know? I'm thinking nuked ground might be hot for a long long time.
Nelson keeps us up to date with who has what, and what if any progress is being made to convince everyone that nuking a nation that is the APPLE OF GODS EYE, is not a good plan.
If you watch disasters taking place around the planet, you would see every nation is under the gun. Half of the USA is in SEVERE DROUGHT=NO WATER =NO CROPS= LESS FOOD. COWS CANT EAT DUST OR TUMBLEWEEDS.
Our Government can't see the problems for all the plans he has for raising taxes on everyone. He's clueless to realities: like, solar storms on the sun, can knock out power grids that deliver CLEAN OILESS ENERGY. If the electric cars have no electricity from solar_how long does it take to do a reboot on ON OIL PRODUCTION??
1. You qouted Jeremiah 31:34.
"They shall no more teach their brothers or their neighbors know the LORD...They shall ALL KNOW ME FROM THE LEAST TO THE GREATEST..."
But does that literally mean that there is no need to be tought anything about Jesus because God's Spirit will do that Himself? Is that literal? Have we so far, for 2 th. years, seen something like that? Have you met any person, any church, that can claim that God tought him/them the Gospel personally? I haven't heard or read anything like that. As far something like that hasn't existed so far, it makes me believe that the above scripture must be interpeted in a different way.
2. Angels do not evangelize people. We don't see that anywhere in the NT. Remember the angel that was sent to Cornelious? He pointed out apostle Peter to him, he himself didn't say or teach anything about salvation. You are right about the angel in Revelation, but my belief is that he was send to evangelize people because after the rapture of the church just before the appearance of antichrist there will be no church to speak to people, and hence an angel will be sent together with the 2 prophets to do this task.
3. The New Covenant was made by God actually. But in any case that we have a covenant or a testament both sides involved must sign or accept it so it becomes valid. If either side do not accept it never becomes valid. God will never step back. So it is in man's hand to accept it or reject it. Some accept it and some, the most, reject it. If one rejects the salvation offered by God, will God eventually force him in Heaven? Sorry but I don't think so. If that was the case why do we bother to evangelize people? Stay home, God will do that. Why live a pure life and restrict ourselfs from the pleasures of sin, we will be saved anyway. Why the early christians threw themselves to the lions and fires and suffer so many persecutions if saved anyway?
With respect.
God bless you.
.....But Bro Dan lets remember if righteousness came by the law then Christ died in vain.... Gal. 2 : 21 k lemme go
I was wondering...
If the early christians actually celebrated Sabbath what was the purpose of selecting another day, the next to Sabbath, to gather together? They honoured that day by naming it the Lord's Day, they had their formal congregation on that day, also the Holly Communion took place on that day. What for, since they had the Holly Day of Sabbath (assuming that)? By the way Sunday was not a holiday or a rest day for the ancient world so for them to choose it as their formal day. For ancients every day was a working day, they didn't have a rest day during the week, actually the Roman week was an 8 day week with no weekend rest. Only in the third century AD, when a large part of Rome became christians, emperor Constantine declared a 7 day week with Sunday as a rest day, similar to the Jewish week. Pay attention Sunday not Saturday (Sabbath). So Sunday was not a special day for christians in the very early time to select it as the Lord's Day, but still did that and ignored Saturday.
Again hstorically speaking, there is no mention of Sabbath in the writings of the early christian writters, or the so called Apostolic Fathers or those after them. Historical churches like the R/Catholics and the Eastern Orthodox churches never practiced Sabbaths. One can argue that those churches have many faults bur still if there was a Sabbath celebration in the beginning wouldn't they keep that practice? Surely they would.
I think brother Chris has also some very good points on this argument.
Anyway it's good for all of us to have these conversations. God bless you all.
4. So which is the Sabbath Day? The Sabbath was given only to Israel ( Exodus 31:12-17) - no one else. It, along with Circumcision, marked them as 'belonging to the LORD'. No other people or nation ever received this, or any other, Law to obey. The Gentiles coming to Christ after the Gospel was preached & received, were never compelled to come under the Law in any shape or form. How could they be brought under the Law that only killed? Efforts were made to bring them under the Law, but that was rejected ( Galatians 2:11-21). For indeed, "if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain." The Jewish Sabbath, along with all Laws, was cast aside, having no more bearing on the one 'in Christ'. Our righteousness, given by God, can never be from the Laws to obey or the Sabbath to observe - our righteousness is found in Christ alone, Who not only perfectly fulfilled the whole Law on our behalf, but opened the "new & living way", that only by His Power can we ever properly do His Will.
As soon as we appeal to the Laws, even the Sabbath, we place ourselves under them, & by them we will be judged. And Sunday (the first day of the week) has never been a Sabbath for those in Christ - it is & always has been the day prescribed to be set aside to come together for worship ( Acts 20:7; 1 Corinthians 16:2).
3. Jesus and the Law. Jesus kept the Law perfectly - what man could not do. Jesus lived among His people who were still under the Law & to the Law He pointed them. When He asked them to "keep HIS Commandments" ( John 14:15,21), it referred to not only the given Law but to the meaning & intent of the Laws He brought to them. I see that Jesus' Presence & Words (to His disciples) were the foretaste of what the old Law once declared & what He was now bringing them that gave them a glimpse to the Laws' higher demands met only in the power of the Spirit. And one day in the future, the apostles would understand what He meant & would have the power to live under His Laws & not the old Law.
Matthew 5:17-20. The Jews were bound to the Law, to obey it fully, not as was declared by the Pharisees (that some laws more important than others). And Jesus too was bound by that same Law, not to destroy it, but by His Coming He was to fulfil it. And this He did at Calvary, fulfilling all the laws (moral & ceremonial) perfectly. But would men see it & believe it?
Thank you Charrisse for that lengthy explanation. I'll write briefly on each main point that I see.
1. Sabbath observance by those before Moses. You shared Genesis 26:5. We have been given no indication what these were: "my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws." We can learn of God's clear directions given to Abraham but to include what we believe were His Statutes, Commandments, & Laws without being specified, remains only a guess. To believe that the Sabbath command was given prior to Moses lacks evidence both in clarity & historically.
2. The Law of Moses. Certainly, it contained "codes for ordinances & ceremonies (including feast & Holy days etc), sacrificial ceremony, health, civil laws, treatment of animals, treatment of slaves etc". But it also contained the "Commands of God". As David charged Solomon in 1 Kings 2:3: "And keep the charge of the LORD thy God, to walk in his ways, to keep his statutes, and his commandments, and his judgments, and his testimonies, as it is written in the law of Moses". Did Moses in his book also include God's Decalogue, so that Solomon would always have the whole Law & Counsel of God at his fingertips? One could argue, 'well Solomon could have reached into the Ark of the Covenant to review them', but it remains a personal opinion of what the Law of Moses actually did contain.
Then Paul in 2 Corinthians 3:6-11, speaks more specifically on that which was "engraven in stones". He called it "the ministration of death". If those tablets from God was glorious, but instead of giving life, it brought death (in its design), how much more would the ministration of the Spirit would be even more glorious. As the glory of Moses' countenance faded away, Paul says that so to would the Law fade away as that which remaineth (the ministration of righteousness) by the Spirit exceeded it in glory.
I'm very familiar with the scriptures you have shared, and they must harmonize with Romans 6:1-12 and also Romans 8:7-14. Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
The scriptures you have shared accompanied with the ones I've shared suggest that Sanctification follows Salvation.
"IF" we are connected to the vine we WILL bare fruit.
God bless.
When God began working on my heart I was lead to this website and it helped me tremendously. Having no real Christian connections it truly allowed me to feel connected to some of "the right people." I received great information, encouragement and a little love when I really needed some! It became a candle in the darkness.
I hope you enjoyed your day today brother and praise God for the breath in our lungs on this day! What a blessing!
Hope to see you back here in the comments Gerald!
God Bless you and your family my friend!
We are all sinners. In different ways. God still loves us and offers the opportunity to adjust and correct the paths we walk upon. Daily. He saved me and I'm here to tell you, He can save you.
Are you familiar with the parable of the lost sheep? ( Luke 15) If not it is wonderful to read while placing ourselves "in the hooves" of the lost sheep. Check it out!
Do not allow the condemnation of others to push you away from God. A true Christian should firstly approach this issue and others with the love that our Father has provided to each of us, when we were sinful or blinded. (We are not the Hebrew Israelites standing on corners shaming people. That is not what Jesus did.) Should you seek Jesus, you will find him. Which requires laying down of many things. To receive a new heart.
God Bless you and keep you!
We stated. God bless you.
Homosexuality is a sin as well as heterosexual without marriage is fornication, stealing, killing, etc. When we accept Christ in our life, "On his terms" ( Romans-10:9-10.) he saves us. This comes after knowing we are sinners and condemned without him.
John 3:16-18. Notice the emphasis on believe in these verses?
God gives us his spirit to convict us, guide us, teach us and gives the power and strength to change us. Change may not come immediately but the guilt will. You coming on the site may have expressed that. Salvation is the works of Christ alone but when we're saved we are to bare fruit of righteousness and repent. Sanctification is a work of the Holyspirit. Being made new we shouldn't continue in sin. Not perfection but a continuance of progression. Romans 6:1-11.
Keep in prayer, God will judge you by your heart. If your heart is pure change will follow.
God bless.
c. Which then leads us to Hebrews chapter 4, where many Israelites died having failed to enter into Rest (the Promised Land) because of their unbelief. Then we read that, as God rested on the 7th Day (v4), there must be a future day of rest for His people. Joshua (v8) couldn't give them that rest even though many made it through to Canaan. Even David (coming after Joshua), spoke of God promising another day of rest (for those who've not hardened their hearts as earlier): vv6-8; Psalm 95:7-11. "There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God" (v9).
d. So are we talking about a Sabbath Rest here or a Spiritual Rest that would come to those who no longer are wearily trying to justify themselves before God by trusting in the Law to be acceptable? The Rest those in Christ now enjoy have not only crucified the flesh but have their trust & hope in the One Who was crucified for them, to put an end to the Law that only brought death & punishment & never gave Rest."
No we are talking about the Law of God that is for eternity, for all time and stands for all of God's creation to keep. The rest the sabbath offers is all encompassing and is both spiritual and physical and a sign between God's people and Him.
The counterfeit sabbath of satan, SUNday has been the perfect trojan horse to lead people away from obedience to God and at the end of time Revelation 13 tells us satan will use the beast, to enforce a global counterfeit worship system.
God calls His people out of this false system Revelation 18:4 and this includes rejecting the counterfeit sabbath day.
I agree with you that every day should be Holy to Christians, and we should try to walk with Christ each day of our lives.
Please keep in mind that the Sabbath is a GIFT that God gave mankind to show us that he loves us and cares for us. The 7th day Sabbath is primarily for mankind to rest our MIND and BODY, and to reflect on our blessings and have the time to really give thanks, without all of the worldly disruptions. It's a special day, to take a much needed break from our work, and the stress of living in this hectic world. God created us, and he knows our body and mind better than anyone - He created us. You can trust Him!
Mark 2:27
"And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:"
GOD ordained that the Sabbath should be a blessing, and not a burden! I don't understand why so many Christian's today take this Commandment to be a burden.
Hebrews 4:9
"There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God."
Hebrews 4:10
"For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his."
So, God gave his people (Christian's a time to rest) a gift, that we should accept and use. This Sabbath is a gift from GOD, and not dissimilar to the gift that God gave us for Salvation. Why would Christian's accept "the gift of salvation" but not "the gift of the 7th Day Sabbath??? Both come directly from God!
God Bless.
What is the Gospel message in it's entirety?
We are saved by grace through faith and sanctified by the Holy Spirit who changes our character and imputes Christ's righteousness to us so that we may be obedient to God's law - we cannot do it in own strength and we are not saved by doing it. We are motivated to do this firstly because we love God and then out of a consequence of being saved.
Revelation 14:12 describes God's people as follows ' Here is the patience of the saints, Here are they that keep the commandments of God and have the faith of Jesus Christ'.
Keeping the Moral of Law of God does not save us, only Grace does. Revelation 14:12 tells of a people who faithfully endure to keep the commandments of God as an outcome of faith. Jesus says in John chapter 15:10 - 10If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
Furthermore Paul clarifies the relationship between Grace, Law and obedience - Romans 6:1
1What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?2God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?3Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
God's last day remnant people are also identified in Revelation 12:17 - And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Satan in these final days is waging one last mighty global war against God's law to establish his false kingdom, challenging God's authority and His last remnant children who keep the commandments of God and whose lives testify that they belong to Jesus which testify to His renewing power and miraculous changing of human character from one of being sin sick to
living in freedom in the spirit and obedience to God.
Here are some verses to get you started. God bless.
Colossians 2:9
Acts 17:29
Romans 1:20
John 1:1
1 John 5:7-8
Genesis 1:26
Genesis 11:6-7
John 10:30
John 8:19
Philippians 2:5-8
2 Corinthians 5:19
John 1:3
Matthew 28:19
1 Peter 1:2
2 Corinthians 13:14
Deuteronomy 6:4
John 14:10
John 20:28
1 John 2:22-24
Isaiah 7:14
Matthew 1:23-25
Hebrews 1:8
Isaiah 44:6
The Moral law contains the Love and legal code God has for His Universe and beloved children. It is;
Written in stone by God's own finger - Exodus 31:18, Deuteronomy 4:12-13, 9:10
Has always existed & will be kept throughout eternity and throughout all the universe - Psalm 111:7,8, Romans 5:19 refers to Adam sinning in the Garden of Eden
Jesus said He did not come to destroy it but to fulfil it - Matt 5:17 - 19
Jesus said 'If you love me keep my commandments' John 14:15 and that 'He is the Lord of the Sabbath - Mark 2:28 - yet never mentions it being dissolved or changed
God's people are commanded to keep the Commandments of God for all eternity & God's people are identified by it because they keep it out of love to God and by faith - Exodus 19:5, Ecclesiastes 12:13,14, Psalm 111:7,8, Revelation 14:12, 12:17
Lives in the heart of God's children - Psalms 40:8
We are judged by them - James 2:12
Blessed with access to the Tree of Life if you keep them by faith - Revelation 22:14
b. Colossians 2:16
Your reference to including the 7th day weekly Sabbath in with the Mosaic sabbaths (plural) included in ordinances of the Law of Moses does not stand up to close scrutiny.
The italic of the 'days' in verse 16 emphasizes the plurality of the multiple sabbaths in the law of Moses which is distinct to the Moral 10 commandment law of God.
Most respectfully your reference to Colossians 2:14-17 is a mish mash including an implied reference to Hebrews chapters 10:1 and a misrepresentation of Colossians chapter 2's application only to the law of Moses..
The entire paragraph starting at Colossian 2:14 and ending in verse 17 clearly shows that the reference Paul is making is limited to the 'Handwriting of ordinances' which was contrary to us, nailing it to His cross'. The reference confirmed in verse 16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days" is a clear reference to the law of Moses and limits this reference only to the Law of Moses and NOT the Moral 10 Commandment Law of God.
How do we know this for sure? Because the Law of Moses was:
Written by Moses using a scribe who wrote on paper using handwriting of The book - Deuteronomy 31:24
Contains the codes for ordinances & ceremonies (including feast & Holy days etc), sacrificial ceremony, health, civil laws, treatment of animals, treatment of slaves etc - Leviticus 18: 3 & 4, 1 Corinthians 9:9
Whereas the 10 commandment Moral of God makes no reference to Drinks, meat offerings, ordinances, new moons or an holy day and does not contain multiple sabbaths - but the Law of Moses contains ALL of these.
The reference you make to Colossians 2 verse 17 again confirms that this cannot refer to the Moral law of God and therefore cannot include the weekly sabbath as being nailed to the cross.
How so? Because as you say it was 'a shadow' - this shadow of a law concept links this scripture verse 17 with Hebrews 10:1
In reply to your question Chris what Scriptures would you use to show that Noah or Abraham observed the Sabbath?
There are none directly for Noah but there is for Abraham but we can deduce how the
knowledge of God's will and law was passed down from Adam to Noah and then
subsequently to Abraham and up to and before Moses.
Noah was born just 10 generations from Adam to a Godly family and was well recognised
for being perfect in his generations, for his trust in God and humble faith Genesis
6:11-9:19).
It is very likely that Noah had been instructed in the knowledge of God. But by whom?
Enoch was Noah's great Grandfather and was the special friend of God who was translated
to heaven - He walked with God.
Enoch was a descendant of Adam through the Seth line and Adam was still alive when
Enoch was a young man. Given that the Sabbath was established and sanctified in Eden at
the end of creation week ( Genesis 2: 1-3, Exodus 20:11) it is worthy and logical to consider
that God taught Adam the requirement to keep the Holy law of God including the 7th day
Sabbath and who then would have taught his descendants.
The direct reference to Abraham keeping God's commandments before the Law being given to Moses is here: Genesis 26:5 - 'Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes and my laws'.
Why would Jesus followers and worshippers of God be left to suffer in tribulation when we are already changed. My guess is without insult is the Rapture non believers need to study more. The more I dug in with reading the Bible, praying on knees and going to church the more I heard the voice of the Lord. As a child I noticed after memorizing the prayers I heard His voice and he put on me to believe every word of the Bible. I knew never ever argue with the Bible, the Spirit fed me that always. You have to believe to feel or hear the Spirit confirm. The Bible comes alive when you know who you belong too. The Spirit has never once pointed out do not believe this verse. God is love and he wants you to love him, honor him, obey him. He wants to save you and he wants you to be ready for Jesus coming for his very own, we will meet the dead and the Lord in the air, 1 Thess4:17. Then when Jesus returns to wage war we will be with him. When you know God you know his promises to never leave you nor forsake you. When heaven opens and the Lamb of God comes to wage war, he will accompanied by his called and chosen and faithful ones, Revelation 17:14. Any doubt in your mind then work on being called and chosen and being a faithful one. Do right in His sight and believe. GBY
I praise God for your response. Grace and peace unto you from our God, the Father in Heaven and the Lord Jesus Christ.
Time is short. We can see 2 Timothy 3 today.
As you know Timothy 4.
I think it is important to do the following:
1. Pray (for others, each other, lost people to be saved, Believers for their holiness until Jesus comes, and ALL Leaders in-charged to do the right thing)
2. Study the Bible ( 2 Timothy 2:15)
Finally sharing our experience helps everyone to see that Jesus Christ is alive and waiting for the fullness of the Gentiles for the glory of God.
Romans 11:25
For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
Ephesians 4:13
Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
I read most comments on this site and we need to be in one mind:
1 Corinthians 14:33
For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
doeth.
Romans 12:16
Be of the same mind one toward another. Mind not high things, but condescend to men of low estate. Be not wise in your own conceits.
1 Peter 3:8
Finally, be ye all of one mind, having compassion one of another, love as brethren, be pitiful, be courteous:
Philippians 2:2
Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind.
Romans 15:6
That ye may with one mind and one mouth glorify God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.
2 Corinthians 13:11
Finally, brethren, farewell. Be perfect, be of good comfort, be of one mind, live in peace; and the God of love and peace shall be with you.
Thank you for the opportunity to read your comments. Rejoice evermore!
......We are gonna marry our sons...which is the H.G. that is born to us via his seed the words of the book etc...Thats y Isaiah is saying as a young man marries a virgin so shall thy SONS MARRY THEE....As the bridegroom rejoices over the bride so shall thy GOD REJOICE OVER THEE ....We are gona be married to our sons which are Spirits the H.G....The spirit and the flesh are gona be made 1... Isaiah 62 : 5....We must birth a new innnerman which is the H.G. that Child of Promise...Why do we refer to the H.G. as the Promise simply b/c the H.G. is the multiplication of very God in us via the seed of CHRIST, he is the Child of Promise...Thats y Jesus is saying unless you receive the Kingdom of God as a LIL CHILD ( A BIRTH ) You will in no wise enter there in...But Isaiah was very bold and says a lil CHILD is gonna lead them...the Child being the HG That Child of Promise. Our new innerman ....ok lemme go G. LOVE YA
God does NOT CARE what ANY mere man says Amy; and I write this with love; not condemnation.
When we die; we will not stand before Trump or any man. While we are alive; we answer to God; and take directions from God.
I shared numerous Scriptures with you Amy; and I feel to say, "IT. IS. WRITTEN...."
God's Word stands far above ANY words that man says. There should be no need for further explanations about why thinking Trump is 'something', God's Word is enough; so I won't give you any 'arguments' or 'discussions' from my flesh; they will avail you nor I nor anyone else anything good; only The unerring Word of God will help.
I will share with you a few Christian sites I found that I think might help you to overcome the last-days deception that so MANY of us...INCLUDING MYSELF...were embroiled in concerning Trump. We MUST be on our HIGHEST GUARD now; more than EVER BEFORE Amy; because we ARE in the last days; and "Be sober-minded; watch. Your adversary the devil prowls about as a roaring lion seeking whom to devour". 1 Peter 5:8.
If deception APPEARED AS deception Amy; NO ONE would be ABLE to be deceived. But deception is like a vapor, it wafts under our noses and we take it in without realizing we've inhaled poison.
Here's one more Scripture for you Amy: Isaiah 42:8 ESV / I am the Lord; that is my name; my glory I give to no other, nor my praise to carved idols.
Please resist the urge to feel angry at what I shared Amy; I'm not berating you; I'm trying to encourage you. To pull you out of the lions mouth. He has a good hold of you Amy; and WILL; if you ALLOW HIM TO; TOTALLY DEVOUR YOU. May The Lord help you with all of this. Take care Amy.
"There's A Great Day Coming By & BY"
Matt. 11: 28-30 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.Take my yoke upon you and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.
Loving Father, I want to press on in my Christian life, to become more and more like the Lord Jesus. I know thatit will require me to put my hand to the plough and press on, with the patient endurance that only comes from You. I pray thatI may not lose heart or grow weary in doing the good works that You have prepared for me to do. Thank You that in due time I may reap a fruitful reward, if I do not give up. In Jesus' name I pray, AMEN.
......The Pharisees told Jesus we were neva in bondage to any man....But Jesus replied whosoever sins is the servant of sin and the SERVANT abides not in the house forever but the son abide forever....Thus as long as we sin we are not in free will...This corruptible has to put on incorruptilble and this mortal has to put on immortallity...then we will have free will....But not as long as we have a sinful nature...Thats y we must be bornagain of an incorruptible seed...Even by the words of God which is the book in the righthand of the FATHER THE NEW COVENANT.
....I know that the scripture says the spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made us free from the law of sin and death..But as long as we sin without the New Birth ( the spirit of life ) The contents of the book..we have no free will simply b/c Jesus warns us Whosoever sins is the servant of sin....Even Paul had no free will as he says when i wd do good evil is present with me etc....Paul was envolved in a war with his old adamic nature and the tares thus he had no free till his corruption puts on incorruption and his immoral puts on immortality...Oh wretched man that i am who shall deliver me from the bondage of this death...Paul said he saw another law in his members waring against the law of my mind bringing me unto CAPTIVITY to the law of sin in my members...Oh wretched man that i am...No free will yet.