Bible Questions & Discussion PAGE 61

  • Adam - In Reply - 4 months ago
    Amen. "Neither is there salvation in any other; for there is no other name under Heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved." Acts 4:12

    "Jesus Christ" is that name (verse 10).
  • Jema - In Reply - 4 months ago
    May God bless you too Ronald , this world is full of distractions and discouragements , the Pure Word of God is a lamp to our feet but , if that lamp is dimmed through false doctrine then our feet can slip ! May God's love and mercy and Word ,keep you on the straight and narrow . Stay strong ,Christ is coming ! :) .
  • Ronald Whittemore - In Reply - 4 months ago
    Hi Jema,

    Amen, a little here, a little there, people become numb and blind to what is happening not able to discern what is evil, Isaiah 5:20. The leaven in the dough is almost ready to bake.

    God bless and hold on to Him, tough roads make for tough feet that can carry you to the end of the road.

    RLW
  • Momsage - In Reply - 4 months ago
    Thank you for your encouraging words :)
  • Jema - In Reply - 4 months ago
    " a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump " , yes ! No truer words ! Amen to you .
  • Momsage - In Reply - 4 months ago
    Hi Jimbob: It's good to hear from you and I am enjoying discussing the things of God on this site. I understand now that you don't get on here very often so I'll just look forward to hearing from you when you do. I enjoy reading your comments on the beautiful, true Word of God; the KJB. I think, just my thought, is that somehow before we leave here that God is going to somehow diminish the faith in these false translations. I hope you had a nice Thanksgiving and have a happy celebration of the birth of Christ. :) God Bless You
  • Momsage - In Reply - 4 months ago
    As you know I have agreed with much of what you say in your comments but what you said about God being one God and Jesus being another, "two separate Gods united for one purpose" Unless I misunderstood, I can not agree with you on this. God and Jesus and the Holy Spirit are 3 in one not separate in any way. Saying God and Jesus are two separate Gods is like having a friend helping you move. Two of you working together to accomplish something. It just sounds to me like this is somehow diminishing the deity of God and Christ. :)
  • Momsage - In Reply - 4 months ago
    Sorry I think I may have hit the amen choice by mistake, I meant to do it for Valmar because his comment would have been the same as mine. I do have a question, however, you said something in your comment that, I admit, confused me. At the end you admitted that you yourself had left the Lord but then returned, Praise the Lord for that, but isn't that backsliding or if, though you were living in sin, you had died in that state you would have gone to be with Jesus anyway and your name still would have been in the Lamb's Book of Life because it was sealed unto salvation or no matter how long you were in sin until you returned, God would not have allowed you to die, or you weren't saved in the first place, but no, you said you returned, or I totally misunderstood what you said which is possible. Please don't think I am being facetious, I would not do that, these are legitimate questions to your comment. God Bless :)
  • Chris - In Reply - 4 months ago
    Yes, Momsage, man will always have free will & be able to make choices in life (a gift granted by God). What I've tried to show from my comment you referred to, is that when God by His Spirit is indwelling & controlling His child, the child, though having free will & maybe somewhat self-willed, will always be under the Spirit's watchful Ministry - and this can include correction, warning, discipline, even death (so that the "spirit may be saved": 1 Corinthians 5:5).

    From what the Word tells me about the Work of the Spirit, is that a truly saved person, though subject to correction will be kept by HIS Power & not ours: 1 Peter 1:3-5 "Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy HATH begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, TO an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth NOT away, RESERVED in heaven for you, Who are KEPT by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time." All of God's Work & according to His Promise; or else, we can be popping in & out of salvation (re-birth) at will, making mockery of God's faultless & unfailing work.

    Thank you for the testimony of you & your husband's 'salvation', your departure from the Lord & subsequent joyful return. I think many of us can testify similarly of such an experience - but in each case, we have to rely on God's Work & Word & the knowledge that "the foundation of God standeth sure, having this SEAL, The Lord KNOWETH them that are his. And, Let everyone that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity" ( 2 Timothy 2:19). I believe that those whom the Lord seals (& He alone knows them by name), can never be un-sealed. As in your case, or even with me, having at one stage left the Lord & enjoyed the world's offerings, & then returned, it is the Lord's application of His Work in our lives - and this Work usually testifies well through personal testimony. Blessings.
  • Momsage - In Reply - 4 months ago
    I hope you'll let me be straight with you. I mean no offense but perhaps you overlooked the part in my comment where I said I loathed ALL false doctrines but loved and grieved over the poor souls that are deceived by them. Well I did, and I do. I think that's compassion. You once said you didn't defend the Catholic Church but it seems that you are. Defending a false doctrine so people who are immersed in them can be placated is very harmful. One false teaching is idolatry, among so many other things, and the people have such a heartfelt desire to believe in that. They may get truly saved by someone's witness but if they continue to commit that idolatry, like praying the rosary and lighting candles to false gods, they will be like the seed that fell on the wayside and the fowls (idolatry) devoured them Matthew 13:4. I was raised a Catholic, had to stick with it until I left home because my mother asked me too. That was a while ago but I have kept up with it's influence in the world and it is getting worse and worse as time goes on. I would never say the Pope was the antichrist. I would never say anyone is the antichrist. To me that is not wise. As to the part of the Catholic doctrine being true, Jesus said "you can't serve two masters - Matthew 6:24. One will be hated and the other loved. The scriptures also says in Galatians 5:9 " a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump." A little false doctrine ruins the whole doctrine. Catholics believe in the one true God but idolize the Pope. They worship Mary and a whole slew of other dead people, salvation is obtained by good works, etc. I think you understand. All false doctrines probably have a little bit of truth mixed in. That's how the devil in lures souls in. Might I suggest you study the doctrines of Catholicism. See if they don't teach many things contrary to what the KJB teaches. You can find them on a Catholic Church website so you will know they are the true teachings. God Bless :)
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  • Momsage - In Reply - 4 months ago
    Mankind's free will does not go away once he is saved. It will be with him until death, so mankind ALWAYS has the freedom to choose to live for God or not. You say people who sin after getting saved, never really got saved. Please read my testimony.

    My husband and I were living sinful lives with no regard for God and we were very happy. Then, through the witness of a fellow employee, Tim started feeling his need for Jesus in his heart and the employee's wife started witnessing to me and Tim and I got saved, on the same day, several weeks later. Our whole lives changed drastically. We loved Jesus and through His grace and power we left our sins, we started attending church with our friends that witnessed to us, we bought bibles and loved reading and studying them, we had such wonderful times of prayer, we loved everything Godly in our lives and got rid of everything sinful. We had such joy in our hearts. What, other then true salvation, could have made us suddenly make these wonderful changes in our lives. There was no reason. But after several years we let the cares of the world, that came upon us, cause us to became discouraged and weary to the point of drifting further and further away from prayer, bible study, all the things of God that had kept us on the straight and narrow path. Eventually we stop living for Him and went back into worse sin then before, then Tim divorced me. I was so devasted. I knew my only answer to be able to go on (I had 3 small children) was to surrender to Jesus and forsake the life of sin I was living and ask for forgiveness and accept Him back into my heart. I have been living for Him ever since. I never remarried nor had any further relationships. Tim continued in sin until, on his deathbed, through the witnessing of his sons and daughter, he accepted Christ again and less then a day later he died. This was in 1982. I love Jesus so dearly and I am diligent in living for Him. I don't plan on every leaving my Savior again. God Bless :)
  • Momsage - In Reply - 4 months ago
    It is true that if anyone ate a biblical diet they would be very healthy. Look what Daniel did when the king wanted him and his friends to eat the kings food of meat and "drink." :)
  • Momsage - In Reply - 4 months ago
    I'm not sure what you mean about the temple in heaven. :)
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  • Hadassah - In Reply - 4 months ago
    Hi Momsage,

    That is funny story and absolutely based on the true experiences of their flock. As an ex Catholic, I have experiences of being told that we were expected to give a certain amount of money to be members. Now I am all in favor of tithing my 10%. But, the mercenary approach was quite off putting.

    I do agree with all you said. And, it was well put. I do love the Catholic people. My very dear friend of several decades is Catholic. Recently, her mother died. My dear friend is certain her mother is haunting their home. And, my dear friend says she is happy that her mother is haunting the house. How do I tell her, if it is not in her imagination, that the haunting is a demon? Also, my parents were Catholic. My siblings were all Catholic. My children were all baptized Catholic. I unfortunately did not leave the church til I was 37.

    You know, I heard a preacher say, "The truth goes marching on," in that greater and greater light (knowledge) is given to us as time goes on. Those churches with a statement of faith that does not allow for receiving greater light are forever stuck.

    There are fascinating things to learn. And, as you are well aware, there is joy in that new discovery where Jesus becomes more personal.

    I hope you have a fabulous day, Momsage. And, I pray "come LORD Jesus. Amen". :)
  • Ronald Whittemore - In Reply - 4 months ago
    Hi Gus,

    Thank you, there are different understandings of who Jesus was and is, whether He was a man born of a woman His Father being God, or the incarnation of the eternal Son the second member of a Triune God, fully man, and fully God. However, one believes Jesus was without sin from birth to death. There was no sin in Him, He did not commit any sin. He is the spotless Lamb that was slain for our sins. He lived a perfect life that no man has ever done or can do, before or after Him, 1 Peter 1:19 1 John 3:5.

    God bless,

    RLW
  • GiGi - In Reply - 4 months ago
    Hadassah, Genesis 1:14 does not support that.
  • GiGi - In Reply - 4 months ago
    Hello Hadassah,

    I never said that you were showing hate to people who practice Catholicism, but towards the Catholic Church.

    It is a fact that many of the leaders of the reformation thought that the papacy was the Antichrist, but it is actually a fact that the Catholic church, Vatican, and papacy are the antichrist is not yet proven as fact.

    I think it is more helpful to point out the errors taught by the Catholic Church or any other sect than to speak as though the entire body of teachings of the Catholic Church or other sects are erroneous and evil.

    Being precise in this manner shows facts instead of emotion filled vitriol.
  • GiGi - In Reply - 4 months ago
    OK Jema, thanks for your reply. You were referring to people other than the one you posted to, so they were also directed at these people in a derogatory manner. So, I still think that they need some explanation to the people referred to negatively in these posts. But if you choose not to do so, that is your choice.
  • GiGi - In Reply - 4 months ago
    Momsage

    I so understand your intent concerning hating false doctrine. The Catholic Church has many correct doctrines that we should support, but also many false doctrines that we should denounce. We should not hold a blanket denunciation of the whole body of teaching of the Catholic Chruch, in my view. They have a very correct view of God as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, about the life and sacrificial death of Jesus and his resurrection.

    I think it is important to point out where they did change the Scripture i.e. verses, phrases, words. (if they truly did

    There are many false teachings in Protestant churches today. So, we should hate these as much as the ones taught in Catholicism. Whereas we do not blanketlike denounce these sects, we should not blanket like denounce the Catholic Church either.

    Sects that teach that Jesus is Michael the archangel, that he is not the eternal Sonn of God, that he became divine at His baptism or crucifixion, that He is only filled with the Holy Spirit as we are but to the fullest and only human, that teach that the Holy Spirit is only a power or force, but not a person that can be interacted with, grieved, lied to, etc., that humans will become gods, that Jesus needed to be born again, that all persons will be saved eventually. These are all false teachings in my view. Some of these we find in sects like Mormonism, Jehovah Witnesses, but also in sects that many find to be within the Christian faith. There are those sects that teach that you must belong to their sect to be saved, such as Church of Christ, Plymouth Brethren, Catholic Church. And there are those who teach that you must be baptized in the Holy Spirit with evidence of speaking in tongues to be saves, such some Pentecostal churches.

    So Momsage, there are many false teachings in numerous sects besides the Catholic Church. The language that you and Hadassah use towards the Catholic Church is hateful and generalized rather than specific. Compassion is needed.
  • Ronald Whittemore - In Reply - 4 months ago
    Hey Momsage,

    I do not want to confuse you, I will give my understanding, and others may give theirs. You may find different views on the soul, go to the bible and with the Holy Spirit for your understanding. If we look at a soul, in Hebrew it is nephesh a living being, it can be a human being, an animal, or a living creature, as we see in Genesis 1:20 the word creatures is the word nephesh, the soul is who we are in our body.

    When God breathed the breath of life into the body He formed out of the dust of the ground, that breath was the spirit that gave life to Adam and Adam became a living soul/being, the combination of a body and spirit. A soul is one's life, self, thoughts, desire, passion, appetite, and emotions. All of who we are inside our body is the soul, so yes Jesus had a soul, He was a soul, a living being. The soul is not some immaterial part of us that separates from our bodies when we die.

    I hope this helps, like I said this is my understanding study for yours.

    God bless,

    RLW
  • Momsage - In Reply - 4 months ago
    Oh. Sorry I misunderstood your comment and I agree with it all. I knew you had been a Catholic. Your disdain for the doctrine seemed to match mine. I"d like to share a funny story with you? I can't say for sure it's true, I just heard it somewhere but I think you'll agree with me it very well could be.

    A widow "donated " funds every month to a priest of her local church to pray for her husband who, she believed, was in purgatory so he could get to heaven sooner. After a very long time of donating she asked the priest she had been giving her "donations " to how much longer it would be? He told her not to much longer her husband still had a leg in purgatory. :) :)

    I sent a comment to GiGi explaining that it is the doctrine of thr Catholic Church we loath not the Catholics. That we only want rescue from this evil doctrine and salvation for their precious souls. I believe you will agree. God bless you
  • Jimbob - In Reply - 4 months ago
    Momsage great post! I don't get on here very much anymore but it seems that you fit right in on this site.

    The KJB truly is the pure Words of the Lord, the (Spirit of truth) is the KJB! All those who trust modern version bibles are putting their trust in doctrines of devils ( 1 Tim 4:1) and deceiving themselves and others ( 2 Tim 4:3-4)

    The Comforter IS the Holy Ghost ( Jn 14:26) This verse tells us that the "Comforter" WHICH IS the "Holy Ghost" will teach us all things "he shall teach you all things".

    Now in ( Jn 16:13-15) This verse tells us "when the "Spirit of truth" is come, he will (guide) you into all truth"

    The word (guide) is #3594; and it means to show the way.

    The Spirit of truth will show the way to all truth, the KJB is that Spirit of truth! The Comforter, which IS the Holy Ghost, will teach us all things from the Spirit of truth.

    The Comforter, which IS the Holy Ghost is joined with the Spirit of truth. ( Jn 14:16-17) v16 tells us "and he shall give you another "Comforter" that he may abide with you for ever". v17 tells us "(Even) the "Spirit of truth" whom the world cannot receive because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you and shall be in you". The word (Even) is #2531; it means just (or inasmuch) as, according to, with which it is joined.

    WITH WHICH IT IS JOINED? WOW!

    The Comforter, which IS the Holy Ghost IS joined with the Spirit of truth.

    The Holy Ghost, which is the Comforter IS joined with the Spirit of truth, which IS the King James Bible!

    The KJB is the pure Words of the LORD ( Proverbs 30:5-6) and ( Ps 12:6-7)

    All modern version bibles are words of men who (changed) the words of the living God to deceive, ( Jer 23:36) The word (perverted) is #2015; it means to turn about or over, to change. modern version bibles DONOT have the Holy Ghost joined with them! Those who are using modern versions cannot find this truth!

    The Word of God is Alive, it truly is Amazing!!

    Blessings to you Momsage.
  • Jema - In Reply - 4 months ago
    Amen to you .
  • Jema - In Reply - 4 months ago
    Hello Gigi , sorry if you are confused by my comments but they were for the individuals that I posted them to . If they had been to or for any and every one I would have just put them as new comments . Obviously we are all able to read all comments , as long as the people that I posted them to know what I meant by them , I'm happy .
  • RichFairhurst on Genesis 11 - 4 months ago
    Although Genesis 11:26-27 lists the order of Terah's sons as Abram, Nahor and Haran, this appears to be according to the regard God has for them in terms of their importance to establishing His chosen godly line of promise and not their natural birth order. Haran almost certainly is the natural first born son of Terah for several reasons:

    1. Haran dies in Ur of the Chaldeas before any of His relatives begin to sojourn.

    2. If Haran was Terah's first born son and died before Terah did, Lot would have to remain with Terah from that time until Terah's death, since Lot would then be the heir of Terah's possessions, not Abram or Nahor.

    3. Haran is old enough to father the wife of Abram's brother Nahor before he dies. If Haran was older than Abram by 60 years this makes sense.

    4. In Gen 12 Abram seems to be genuinely interested in being treated well by Pharoah for Sarai's sake, which would be less likely to be important to Abram if he had inherited all of Terah's possessions as the first born son.

    5. Lot's possessions seem to rival Abram's possessions in Gen 13, which would be significantly more likely if he was nearly equal in age with Abram and Lot had become wealthy through inheriting Terah's possessions.

    6. In Gen 13 Lot is given first pick of the land of their sojournings by Abram. Lot makes no effort to show any special appreciation to Abram for granting him this honor. Lot's acceptance of the honor without showing any deference would be unthinkably arrogant if Abram was actually the first born heir of Terah. However, this all makes sense if Abram was showing recognition that Lot was the heir of Terah as the son of Terah's first born deceased son.

    7. In Gen 19:31 Lot's daughters consider him old when they conspire to get pregnant by him. This is much more likely if he was in his 80s or 90s like Sarah and Abraham, rather than in his 60s or 70s, which is the oldest he would likely be if Haran was Abraham's younger brother.
  • Momsage - In Reply - 4 months ago
    I'm sorry Gus but I don't know what in the world you are talking about. Could you explain? :)
  • Hadassah - In Reply - 4 months ago
    Gigi, These are your comments to me:

    "Do you know that the translators of the KJV used a Bible composed by Erasmus, a Catholic priest in the times of the reformation in their translation?"

    Answer: Yes. I know.

    "So your are saying that the KJV translators used a corrupt version in their work."

    Answer: No. Where in my posts have I said that the KJV translators used a corrupt version?

    "It is fine to discuss the topic of the validity of translations based on facts, but not on an obvious vehement bias towards the Catholic church as you have shown in your post. I am not defending the Catholic Church here. Just saying that your argument would be better received if you left out the hate and based your viewpoint on factual information. "

    Answer: The topic of Bible translations and how they came about is an hours and hours long study comprising volumes of reading material. This site is for quick comments not lengthy dissertations. You are accusing me of hate but that is quite unfair. There is nothing in my posts indicating hate of the Catholic people. However, the Catholic/vatican/Papacy is antichrist. The system is the Beast. It was identified as so by the Protestant church fathers. And, that Gigi, is a fact.

    "O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12
  • Momsage - In Reply - 4 months ago
    I think you and I are partly saying the same thing. I meant when God breathed His breath into Adam He made him a living soul. Adams soul was clean until he sinned and from then on a Savior was needed for mankind to have a cleansed soul again to enter heaven.

    I am confused on what you said about Jesus, do you think He had a soul or He didn't? God is God. How can he have a soul even in His humanity? :)


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