Suze, do you not believe that Jesus was God? The bible says that the Jews took up stones to kill Jesus. They accused Him of blasphemy and that's why they wanted to stone Him to death. Would you happen to know what blasphemy they were accusing Him of?
Gigi my friend__see you soon - In Reply - 1 year ago
I'm having all kinds of warfare. That usually means I did something to really torque the devil :D
My sister said she is dying. Organs failing. I'm fighting back. She's too young; has too many reasons to live. She and my sister-in-law are both lifelong opioid abusers. I told her God will forgive her and restore the years the cankerworm ate up, but she never came over to THE WORD side of belief. Maybe she's just tired? I told her that if she will repent, stop self-medicating, her body can start healing.
She's been a good Baptist all of her life. She knows I walked the wild side 35yrs. Saw Jesus for 10 seconds and fell deeply deeply in love. Even more as I ate of His Word hand over fist for 36 years, and counting.
I've been praying for her. You pray for me please. I'm going to call her and lead her to accept the Lord of the Bible. She's always thought being Baptist was enough. This really hurts. I will not let her go into the night without her Light. Just pray she says, yes.
Doug but you are forgetting John 17 : 5....When Jesus prayed he says Father Glorify thou me with thine own self even with the Glory i had with you before the world was...This proves without a doubt that Jesus was God the son b/f he had become a man....
......He only took on flesh and blood to die for the sins of the world....And we should not be making derogatory remarks about his deity.
.....Unto the Son he says Thy throne O GOD IS FOREVER AND EVER....A sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy Kingdom.
.....The Father cd not refer to him as God if he were not God the son.... Hebrews 1 : 8.. KJV
......And he instructs ALL THE ANGELS to worhip his Son... Hebrews 1 : 6 kjv...
.....Doug i think you are just focusing on his flesh....Not his Spirit his Words that are able to Propagate very God in humanity.
......To whom his words came ( his seed ) It made them Gods....Don'cha see that he is able to reproduce very God with his seed his words....Thats y he is saying that which is BORN of the spirit is spirit....Thats the H.G. that Child of Promise....Our new innerman....The New CREATURE....The multiplication of very God....As God swore by himself when he made that Promise of the multiplication of Christ SEED..... Genesis 22 : 15 ...KJV...OK LEMME GO
We know Satan and 1/3 of fallen angels were hurled to earth. No bodies. They take human bodies with permission.
EARTH WAS CREATED FOR HUMANS. Creatures, etc created to be food for the Humans.
This may trip you up: Jesus is God. Roman's 1:20. In the process of time and Jesus's ordained ancestors: by the Holy Spirit, He endured Mary's pregnancy and childbirth,
In order to be born into Earth as a Human. He was both God and Human. Scripture says He laid aside His Powers to be born human. He lived on earth just as we do. Then as we see Jesus was baptized by John. "All righteousness must be observed." He was Anointed by the Holy Spirit, Luke 4:18 ( Isa. 61). He had all of His Power he had to lay aside for 30 years.
Satan wasn't really sure this was HE of Genesis 3:15. If he had known the plan of God, he would've tried to kill Jesus.
Satan is a CREATED ANGEL. He's not human. He only had what he stole from Adam: dominion and authority. Jesus came to Get It Back, LEGALLY. Satan and evil angels do not have human bodies. They have to steal one.
Satan still thought He had won after Jesus died on the Cross for the sins of all mankind. Jesus was in the tomb, right? Things started going bad for Satan real quick. Jesus went to hell, took the Keys to death, grave and hell from Satan. Jesus opened the prison and took the prisoners through the streets of Jerusalem. People saw the long dead saints.
ON THE CROSS AS A HUMAN, Jesus legally won back Power, Authority and Dominion over Earth, FOREVER. He shares it with His True Born Again Believers. Us.
After everything that is written is fulfilled, ALL prophesy;
Jesus will send Satan to the Lake of Fire. No more to be seen ever.
Knowing what's written in the Bible will make it easier for us; or something to be feared.
2 Peter 3, is the THE REST OF THE PLAN. You must be born again to see the Kingdom of God; to live with Jesus every day of eternity.
First and foremost are you saved by the blood of the crucified Jesus Christ in whom we received all treasures and knowledge by acknowledging the mystery of God and of the Father, of Christ His Son (One God in three persons-The Trinity)? Colossians 1:27-28 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory: Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:
I just have noticed some contentions about this in some comments. We can talk about the end times but it is very important to ALL that they know 100% they are saved and that they are going to Heaven. Noticed even in the beginning God gave us the messages on the importance of the blood from Genesis to Revelation.
The LORD God must have sacrificed blood, for it maybe a lamb to make coats of skins to clothed Adam and Eve. Genesis 3:21
We also see the importance of blood sacrifices between Cain and Abel. Genesis 4:3 Understand the motive of Cain. He offered the fruit of the ground whereby Cain worked hard for it. Like saying to God "Look what I did". I say this because of v5. In v4 Abel was respected because of animal blood sacrificed. This story depicted not of what you do, God is interested in you acknowledging the blood which are examples of a type of what later Jesus Christ would do as our own lamb. Clearly here we are saved by the blood and not by works.
Colossians 1:5; 1:14; 1 Corinthians 15:1-4
You can read in Leviticus that they have to kill a lamb over and over again in order to get forgiveness of sins. Now look at Leviticus 17:11 For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul. Your soul being forgiven through blood. Revelation1:5;5:9. Are you saved by the blood of Jesus Christ?
I love Acts Chapter 2. It is an excellent reminder of the power of the Holy Spirit. Also, I just realized one can print out these verses (or save to pdf). Thank you for this feature.
Human Anatomy Declares the Wisdom of God - 1 year ago
Moses wrote Genesis; dictated by God.
We know God moulded Adam from soil; Eve was made from Adams rib.
If we will go look at BONE ANATOMY, differences between Male and Female skeletons; you will see several differences. Male leg bones are stronger. Hips narrower.
Backs stronger.
The female pelvis OPENS with contractions during birth. It opens enough for a baby's skull to pass out of her womb. Her breasts don't make cows milk. It is the most perfect liquid for a baby: doesn't cause allergies, vitamin fortified, sweetened Not by white sugar. It's already sterile and the proper temperature. Lactose makes newborns drowsy.
Who did that? Did not God carefully create us these ways?
Obeka In Gods eyes we are spiritually perfect the work is putting his word on in our minds Romans12:2 and then the three
R'S of learning Colossians 1:13 receive, Thessalonians 3;10 Put the new man in the mind retain then Phil. 2:16 release or hold it forth.The battle is always words Gods thoughts His word like Phil.4:8+9 life giving or or the lies of the enemy. That's why the key to walking with God via the spirit is renewed mind daily based on Gods word. Our minds don't change over night that's the work and it never ends. The only man that ever lived on earth with a completely whole mind or sound mind is Jesus Christ.
P.s. remember we were born into a corrput word and only had our 5 senses as information now we have holy spirit which is
info from God which is always true. That's why I said the more you retain that's work the knowledge of God 2 Peter 1:1-8
constantly says through the of God and our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.
That is a great question. It is true that Jesus Christ paid our debt. It is a debt that we cannot pay. Jesus paid the debt for us. He was the propitiation for our sin. We have been declared justified.
Please notice that Philippians 2:12 says, "work out your own salvation with fear and trembling." It does not say to work to obtain salvation, but to work out a salvation that we already have. I mean, how can we work out our own salvation if we don't have salvation to work out? Here is the literal translation: Be continually working out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
You see, it's a process. We don't work for our salvation. It is God's Spirit in us that works things out. In order to get a clearer picture on this, we have to take Verse 12 along with the very next verse ( Philippians 2:13). It says, "For it is God which works in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure."
The word "works in you" is the word energizing. For it is God who is continually energizing in you both to will, and to energize of His good pleasure whatever He thinks best! It's His energy, and it's whenever He wants to energize my spirit for His Spirit to work in me. It's all according to His good pleasure. It doesn't have anything to do with my good pleasure. I'm just a vessel.
So be continually involved in having your salvation worked out because it's God who is working it out.
Every one of us At one Time Was in Our Mothers Womb - 1 year ago
Psalms 139:13
For thou hast possessed my reins: thou hast covered me in my mother's womb.
Luke 1:31
And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.
Job 31:15
Did not HE that made me in the womb make him? and did not one fashion us in the womb?
Galatians 1:15
But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by his grace,
Psalms 22:10
I was cast upon thee from the womb: thou art my God from my mother's belly.
Psalms 22:9
But thou art he that took me out of the womb: thou didst make me hope when I was upon my mother's breasts.
Psalms 127:3
Lo, children are an heritage of the LORD: and the fruit of the womb is HIS mmm
Exodus 13:2
Sanctify unto me all the firstborn, whatsoever openeth the womb among the children of Israel, both of man and of beast: IT IS MINE.
Ecclesiastes 11:5
As thou knowest not what is the way of the spirit, nor how the bones do grow in the womb of her that is with child: even so thou knowest not the works of God who maketh all.
Jeremiah 1:5
BEFORE I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.
Do we get a free pass on Judging Gods Workmanship? Because this child was born blind, this child was a rapists seed?
A better question: do we judge God for not making us the definition of perfection, because: our nose is too big, our ears too small, stubby fingers_not long and tapering?
Who is in charge of our beginnings, the variables?
Only a Loving God, only Our Savior, can look into a womb and see perfection, possibilities, future of the next generation.
If all we see are imperfections, no one would be born; given a chance to make the world a better place.
Instead of abortion clinics, why not sterilization instead?
God said in Deuteronomy_Choose Life that You and Your Seed shall Live. Our God is very very Wise.
"...work out your own salvation with fear and trembling." Philp2:12
God is not only offering salvation to people through Jesus Crist but He does a work of transforming our character to be similar to His. This is the "work out" in that verse. It is something we do with the help of God's Grace (Holly Spirit).
The "fear and trembling." is a warning to be careful to avoid what happened to Judas or Demus. 1 Timothy 4:10 "For Demas hath forsaken me, having loved this present world, and is departed unto ..."
You actually will find the trinity in ver 28 where the Lord goes back in the Godhead.
"And when all things shall be subdued unto him, ( then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, THAT GOD MAY BE ALL IN ALL".)
The word replenish has a different meaning today than long ago. Today the meaning to us is to make full or complete again, as by providing what is lacking that was before. To fill again or anew.
The biblical meaning goes back at least to the 14 th century the English-speaking people borrowed it from the French verb "replenir" which meant to fil. Scottish speaking used plenish for the same meaning. The English language has transformed over the years.
The new meaning today is influenced by Latin the verb today with "re" meaning again and "plenum" meaning full. I guess you could say the language of academia won out.
Replenish in Genesis means to fill, not to refill again the earth was not here until God created it in the beginning. Some may try to theorize to explain the age of the earth according to science.
I can get water baptized until I am water logged and it isn't going to do anything for me spiritually. It's just water on the outside of the body. Water baptism cannot produce the ministry Spirit of God. And if I look through this chapter, it's talking about being delivered from sin, dying to sin, and being born into the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ. You don't do that through water. It's through the Spirit of God!
Spirit baptism, or the baptism of the Holy Spirit, is the name of the ministry of Jesus Christ. I know the term has been misused today so a lot of people try and stay away from the term "Baptism of the Spirit." But in Matthew 3:11, John the Baptist said "I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance."
John's baptism is different than Christian baptism. His was for the Jews that they would repent at the coming of Messiah. He says I baptize you water unto repentance, (not remission of sin), but He that comes after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear, He shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire. This is Jesus' ministry, to baptize us with His Spirit. The fire represents judgment. But we become a member of the body of Christ the moment we are saved and that is the baptism of the Holy Spirit.
In Galatians 3:27, it says "For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ, have put on Christ." So the baptism is parallel to and synonymous with putting on Christ, salvation, and receiving Christ. I have to understand this from Paul's perspective. Paul is the one that taught about Spiritual baptism being salvation, and the time that you come into the body of Christ. It is the Lord's ministry, and it is sad that the baptism of the Holy Spirit is misunderstood today and mistaught which takes away from the very function for which it is supposed to serve.
To be fair, I am going to look some more at Colossians 2:12. I may still be on the fence with that one. I hope you have a great day!
To get a better understanding of Romans 6:3-7, I think it's good to view all the verses together beginning from Verse 1 through Verse 14, where Paul gives us the principles of sanctification. In fact, Chapters 6 through 8 is the doctrine of sanctification. If I study this doctrine, the question would be when does sanctification take place? I believe it happens the moment we receive Christ, the moment He places His Spirit in us. That is when we are sanctified. It does not happen at water baptism.
But anyway, here is what I understand on Romans 6:3. It says, "Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?" Many people use this verse as a teaching tool about water baptism. This verse, and in fact the whole chapter is not talking about water baptism. It is talking about the salvation process which is Spiritual baptism. I don't think it's wrong to use this text when somebody is being water baptized. However, water baptism is the outward expression that represents the inward work of God's Spirit at salvation.
There are two kinds of baptism's that are taught in the scriptures, water and Spirit baptism. Some people call it water and dry baptism. But again, the definition for water baptism is the outward expression of the inner work of God's Spirit at salvation. I think we agree on that one?
But this text here Romans 6:3-6 is not talking about water baptism but clearly Spirit baptism. There are several reasons why, but the most important reason is that when I look at water baptism, water baptism does not produce the work of God's Spirit.
Carl It is natural mans nature to have someone to look up to but not God, histroy proves this constantly. When God
called people out i.e. Moses Joshua the judges the profits, the reason the people revered them because they said what
and what they did and spoke GOD BACKED UP. IT Was the miraculous that got their attention and even then when their needs were met they complained. Again natural man and even a lot of so called Christians. Most natural men don't care who gets in office or power as long as it works for their purpose. An interesting note why does a candidate spent 30 million dollars for an office that pays 250,000 a year, its not logical. Most people mentally buy what an individual is telling them again when it fits
with what they think right or wrong as long as they profit. The children of ISRAEL IS A TREMENDOUS EXAMPLE OF THIS.
Doug GBU my man....But the way we know without a doubt that Christ is truly God the Son in by seed which was his word....Our Lord can regenerate ...reproduce himself with his seed the word....When he breathe on them he was reproducing himself with his seed his WORD/SEEDS....They gave birth to the H.G. that Child of Promise....The God kind....Spirits...Thats y he said that which is born of the spirit is spirit....As the H.G is Spirit as God is spirit....He reproduces AFTER THE GOD KIND which are his children the babes and sucklings he mentions....Remember God Almighty swore by his very self that CHRIST was gonna be multiplied as the stars of heaven....And this great Promise requires a God that can reproduce after the God kind....Christ Jesus....They cd not refer to him as the bridegroom if cd not reproduce himself in humanity....The Church the bride etc....gtg company is here
It appalls me that anyone proclaiming to be a Christian would defend abortion in any scenario, way, shape or form. Those here "making exceptions" disgust me and are scourge to God and you know not the Lord & Savior Christ Jesus. It's murder.
"They were raped" That's terrible but the child is innocent. Why does the child have to die for the sin committed in this case. Even celebrity Jack Nicholson stated his disdain for abortion because his mother planned to abort him...and something stopped her from doing so. If a woman's raped she's a victim; if she commits abortion after...she's a murderer.
"Woman was impregnated though incest." Again, that's a terrible sin but the child is innocent. We're not going to weigh one sin vs. another but I can tell you this -- I feel murder weights much heavier than incest.
It's the blood of the innocent.
Proverbs Chapter 6:16-19
"These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,
A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren."
Thank you for those who commented in this thread and haven't been blinded by pretexts to condoning murder of the innocent which is abortion.
Imagine if people petitioned for the mother of Jeremiah to commit abortion. What pretext would we have when you're before God and he shows you these words:
Jeremiah 1:5 - Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.
He knows every from the first moment. The question is, do you want the blood on your hands? If you support abortion your hands are just as bloody as they who made it so. Don't be a fool.
I am so enlightened by this exposure, we're indeed saved by grace through the death and resurrection of our Lord Jesus Christ; going by the last paragraph "...He paid our debt..." why then do we have to "work" for our salvation, according to same Apostle in his letter to the Philippians; "...work out your own salvation with fear and trembling." Philp2:12
sickness sorrow suffering or death of this world. We will know each other in an incorrupt sense, isn't that a fantastic
thing to look forward to absolute perfection we cannot comprehend that with our minds.
My sister said she is dying. Organs failing. I'm fighting back. She's too young; has too many reasons to live. She and my sister-in-law are both lifelong opioid abusers. I told her God will forgive her and restore the years the cankerworm ate up, but she never came over to THE WORD side of belief. Maybe she's just tired? I told her that if she will repent, stop self-medicating, her body can start healing.
She's been a good Baptist all of her life. She knows I walked the wild side 35yrs. Saw Jesus for 10 seconds and fell deeply deeply in love. Even more as I ate of His Word hand over fist for 36 years, and counting.
I've been praying for her. You pray for me please. I'm going to call her and lead her to accept the Lord of the Bible. She's always thought being Baptist was enough. This really hurts. I will not let her go into the night without her Light. Just pray she says, yes.
Mishael
Thank God he sent Jesus to pay for our sins .
faith came by Jesus Christ on Pentecost before that you could believe God but not have spiritual faith inside by holy
spirit. There a greek word called pistis and when you look it up it was translated either believing or faith by the translators.
abraham was justified by works in that he believed God and it was counted to him as righteousness. In the old testament
no person had spiritual faith in them i.e. born again because it was not possible till pentecost.
2 40+52 verse 40 why would GOD need grace upon himself when grace is divine favour God to man. In 52 Jessus Christ
grew in wisdom and stature with God and man if he's God that doesn't make sence. Also in the gospels He said i can do
nothing without my FATHER.
......He only took on flesh and blood to die for the sins of the world....And we should not be making derogatory remarks about his deity.
.....Unto the Son he says Thy throne O GOD IS FOREVER AND EVER....A sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy Kingdom.
.....The Father cd not refer to him as God if he were not God the son.... Hebrews 1 : 8.. KJV
......And he instructs ALL THE ANGELS to worhip his Son... Hebrews 1 : 6 kjv...
.....Doug i think you are just focusing on his flesh....Not his Spirit his Words that are able to Propagate very God in humanity.
......To whom his words came ( his seed ) It made them Gods....Don'cha see that he is able to reproduce very God with his seed his words....Thats y he is saying that which is BORN of the spirit is spirit....Thats the H.G. that Child of Promise....Our new innerman....The New CREATURE....The multiplication of very God....As God swore by himself when he made that Promise of the multiplication of Christ SEED..... Genesis 22 : 15 ...KJV...OK LEMME GO
EARTH WAS CREATED FOR HUMANS. Creatures, etc created to be food for the Humans.
This may trip you up: Jesus is God. Roman's 1:20. In the process of time and Jesus's ordained ancestors: by the Holy Spirit, He endured Mary's pregnancy and childbirth,
In order to be born into Earth as a Human. He was both God and Human. Scripture says He laid aside His Powers to be born human. He lived on earth just as we do. Then as we see Jesus was baptized by John. "All righteousness must be observed." He was Anointed by the Holy Spirit, Luke 4:18 ( Isa. 61). He had all of His Power he had to lay aside for 30 years.
Satan wasn't really sure this was HE of Genesis 3:15. If he had known the plan of God, he would've tried to kill Jesus.
Satan is a CREATED ANGEL. He's not human. He only had what he stole from Adam: dominion and authority. Jesus came to Get It Back, LEGALLY. Satan and evil angels do not have human bodies. They have to steal one.
Satan still thought He had won after Jesus died on the Cross for the sins of all mankind. Jesus was in the tomb, right? Things started going bad for Satan real quick. Jesus went to hell, took the Keys to death, grave and hell from Satan. Jesus opened the prison and took the prisoners through the streets of Jerusalem. People saw the long dead saints.
ON THE CROSS AS A HUMAN, Jesus legally won back Power, Authority and Dominion over Earth, FOREVER. He shares it with His True Born Again Believers. Us.
After everything that is written is fulfilled, ALL prophesy;
Jesus will send Satan to the Lake of Fire. No more to be seen ever.
Knowing what's written in the Bible will make it easier for us; or something to be feared.
2 Peter 3, is the THE REST OF THE PLAN. You must be born again to see the Kingdom of God; to live with Jesus every day of eternity.
Mishael
First and foremost are you saved by the blood of the crucified Jesus Christ in whom we received all treasures and knowledge by acknowledging the mystery of God and of the Father, of Christ His Son (One God in three persons-The Trinity)? Colossians 1:27-28 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory: Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:
I just have noticed some contentions about this in some comments. We can talk about the end times but it is very important to ALL that they know 100% they are saved and that they are going to Heaven. Noticed even in the beginning God gave us the messages on the importance of the blood from Genesis to Revelation.
The LORD God must have sacrificed blood, for it maybe a lamb to make coats of skins to clothed Adam and Eve. Genesis 3:21
We also see the importance of blood sacrifices between Cain and Abel. Genesis 4:3 Understand the motive of Cain. He offered the fruit of the ground whereby Cain worked hard for it. Like saying to God "Look what I did". I say this because of v5. In v4 Abel was respected because of animal blood sacrificed. This story depicted not of what you do, God is interested in you acknowledging the blood which are examples of a type of what later Jesus Christ would do as our own lamb. Clearly here we are saved by the blood and not by works.
Colossians 1:5; 1:14; 1 Corinthians 15:1-4
You can read in Leviticus that they have to kill a lamb over and over again in order to get forgiveness of sins. Now look at Leviticus 17:11 For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul. Your soul being forgiven through blood. Revelation1:5;5:9. Are you saved by the blood of Jesus Christ?
We know God moulded Adam from soil; Eve was made from Adams rib.
If we will go look at BONE ANATOMY, differences between Male and Female skeletons; you will see several differences. Male leg bones are stronger. Hips narrower.
Backs stronger.
The female pelvis OPENS with contractions during birth. It opens enough for a baby's skull to pass out of her womb. Her breasts don't make cows milk. It is the most perfect liquid for a baby: doesn't cause allergies, vitamin fortified, sweetened Not by white sugar. It's already sterile and the proper temperature. Lactose makes newborns drowsy.
Who did that? Did not God carefully create us these ways?
R'S of learning Colossians 1:13 receive, Thessalonians 3;10 Put the new man in the mind retain then Phil. 2:16 release or hold it forth.The battle is always words Gods thoughts His word like Phil.4:8+9 life giving or or the lies of the enemy. That's why the key to walking with God via the spirit is renewed mind daily based on Gods word. Our minds don't change over night that's the work and it never ends. The only man that ever lived on earth with a completely whole mind or sound mind is Jesus Christ.
P.s. remember we were born into a corrput word and only had our 5 senses as information now we have holy spirit which is
info from God which is always true. That's why I said the more you retain that's work the knowledge of God 2 Peter 1:1-8
constantly says through the of God and our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.
That is a great question. It is true that Jesus Christ paid our debt. It is a debt that we cannot pay. Jesus paid the debt for us. He was the propitiation for our sin. We have been declared justified.
Please notice that Philippians 2:12 says, "work out your own salvation with fear and trembling." It does not say to work to obtain salvation, but to work out a salvation that we already have. I mean, how can we work out our own salvation if we don't have salvation to work out? Here is the literal translation: Be continually working out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
You see, it's a process. We don't work for our salvation. It is God's Spirit in us that works things out. In order to get a clearer picture on this, we have to take Verse 12 along with the very next verse ( Philippians 2:13). It says, "For it is God which works in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure."
The word "works in you" is the word energizing. For it is God who is continually energizing in you both to will, and to energize of His good pleasure whatever He thinks best! It's His energy, and it's whenever He wants to energize my spirit for His Spirit to work in me. It's all according to His good pleasure. It doesn't have anything to do with my good pleasure. I'm just a vessel.
So be continually involved in having your salvation worked out because it's God who is working it out.
Hope this helps!
For thou hast possessed my reins: thou hast covered me in my mother's womb.
Luke 1:31
And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.
Job 31:15
Did not HE that made me in the womb make him? and did not one fashion us in the womb?
Galatians 1:15
But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by his grace,
Psalms 22:10
I was cast upon thee from the womb: thou art my God from my mother's belly.
Psalms 22:9
But thou art he that took me out of the womb: thou didst make me hope when I was upon my mother's breasts.
Psalms 127:3
Lo, children are an heritage of the LORD: and the fruit of the womb is HIS mmm
Exodus 13:2
Sanctify unto me all the firstborn, whatsoever openeth the womb among the children of Israel, both of man and of beast: IT IS MINE.
Ecclesiastes 11:5
As thou knowest not what is the way of the spirit, nor how the bones do grow in the womb of her that is with child: even so thou knowest not the works of God who maketh all.
Jeremiah 1:5
BEFORE I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.
Do we get a free pass on Judging Gods Workmanship? Because this child was born blind, this child was a rapists seed?
A better question: do we judge God for not making us the definition of perfection, because: our nose is too big, our ears too small, stubby fingers_not long and tapering?
Who is in charge of our beginnings, the variables?
Only a Loving God, only Our Savior, can look into a womb and see perfection, possibilities, future of the next generation.
If all we see are imperfections, no one would be born; given a chance to make the world a better place.
Instead of abortion clinics, why not sterilization instead?
God said in Deuteronomy_Choose Life that You and Your Seed shall Live. Our God is very very Wise.
"...work out your own salvation with fear and trembling." Philp2:12
God is not only offering salvation to people through Jesus Crist but He does a work of transforming our character to be similar to His. This is the "work out" in that verse. It is something we do with the help of God's Grace (Holly Spirit).
The "fear and trembling." is a warning to be careful to avoid what happened to Judas or Demus. 1 Timothy 4:10 "For Demas hath forsaken me, having loved this present world, and is departed unto ..."
GBU
1 Corinthians 15:28.
You actually will find the trinity in ver 28 where the Lord goes back in the Godhead.
"And when all things shall be subdued unto him, ( then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, THAT GOD MAY BE ALL IN ALL".)
God bless.
The word replenish has a different meaning today than long ago. Today the meaning to us is to make full or complete again, as by providing what is lacking that was before. To fill again or anew.
The biblical meaning goes back at least to the 14 th century the English-speaking people borrowed it from the French verb "replenir" which meant to fil. Scottish speaking used plenish for the same meaning. The English language has transformed over the years.
The new meaning today is influenced by Latin the verb today with "re" meaning again and "plenum" meaning full. I guess you could say the language of academia won out.
Replenish in Genesis means to fill, not to refill again the earth was not here until God created it in the beginning. Some may try to theorize to explain the age of the earth according to science.
Hope this helps.
God bless,
RLW
I can get water baptized until I am water logged and it isn't going to do anything for me spiritually. It's just water on the outside of the body. Water baptism cannot produce the ministry Spirit of God. And if I look through this chapter, it's talking about being delivered from sin, dying to sin, and being born into the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ. You don't do that through water. It's through the Spirit of God!
Spirit baptism, or the baptism of the Holy Spirit, is the name of the ministry of Jesus Christ. I know the term has been misused today so a lot of people try and stay away from the term "Baptism of the Spirit." But in Matthew 3:11, John the Baptist said "I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance."
John's baptism is different than Christian baptism. His was for the Jews that they would repent at the coming of Messiah. He says I baptize you water unto repentance, (not remission of sin), but He that comes after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear, He shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire. This is Jesus' ministry, to baptize us with His Spirit. The fire represents judgment. But we become a member of the body of Christ the moment we are saved and that is the baptism of the Holy Spirit.
In Galatians 3:27, it says "For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ, have put on Christ." So the baptism is parallel to and synonymous with putting on Christ, salvation, and receiving Christ. I have to understand this from Paul's perspective. Paul is the one that taught about Spiritual baptism being salvation, and the time that you come into the body of Christ. It is the Lord's ministry, and it is sad that the baptism of the Holy Spirit is misunderstood today and mistaught which takes away from the very function for which it is supposed to serve.
To be fair, I am going to look some more at Colossians 2:12. I may still be on the fence with that one. I hope you have a great day!
Giannis,
To get a better understanding of Romans 6:3-7, I think it's good to view all the verses together beginning from Verse 1 through Verse 14, where Paul gives us the principles of sanctification. In fact, Chapters 6 through 8 is the doctrine of sanctification. If I study this doctrine, the question would be when does sanctification take place? I believe it happens the moment we receive Christ, the moment He places His Spirit in us. That is when we are sanctified. It does not happen at water baptism.
But anyway, here is what I understand on Romans 6:3. It says, "Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?" Many people use this verse as a teaching tool about water baptism. This verse, and in fact the whole chapter is not talking about water baptism. It is talking about the salvation process which is Spiritual baptism. I don't think it's wrong to use this text when somebody is being water baptized. However, water baptism is the outward expression that represents the inward work of God's Spirit at salvation.
There are two kinds of baptism's that are taught in the scriptures, water and Spirit baptism. Some people call it water and dry baptism. But again, the definition for water baptism is the outward expression of the inner work of God's Spirit at salvation. I think we agree on that one?
But this text here Romans 6:3-6 is not talking about water baptism but clearly Spirit baptism. There are several reasons why, but the most important reason is that when I look at water baptism, water baptism does not produce the work of God's Spirit.
called people out i.e. Moses Joshua the judges the profits, the reason the people revered them because they said what
and what they did and spoke GOD BACKED UP. IT Was the miraculous that got their attention and even then when their needs were met they complained. Again natural man and even a lot of so called Christians. Most natural men don't care who gets in office or power as long as it works for their purpose. An interesting note why does a candidate spent 30 million dollars for an office that pays 250,000 a year, its not logical. Most people mentally buy what an individual is telling them again when it fits
with what they think right or wrong as long as they profit. The children of ISRAEL IS A TREMENDOUS EXAMPLE OF THIS.
"They were raped" That's terrible but the child is innocent. Why does the child have to die for the sin committed in this case. Even celebrity Jack Nicholson stated his disdain for abortion because his mother planned to abort him...and something stopped her from doing so. If a woman's raped she's a victim; if she commits abortion after...she's a murderer.
"Woman was impregnated though incest." Again, that's a terrible sin but the child is innocent. We're not going to weigh one sin vs. another but I can tell you this -- I feel murder weights much heavier than incest.
It's the blood of the innocent.
Proverbs Chapter 6:16-19
"These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,
A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren."
Thank you for those who commented in this thread and haven't been blinded by pretexts to condoning murder of the innocent which is abortion.
Imagine if people petitioned for the mother of Jeremiah to commit abortion. What pretext would we have when you're before God and he shows you these words:
Jeremiah 1:5 - Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.
He knows every from the first moment. The question is, do you want the blood on your hands? If you support abortion your hands are just as bloody as they who made it so. Don't be a fool.
This is in a bid to get a clearer understanding.