Brenda remember Mary and Martha....Martha was troubled with much working and serving but Mary only wanted to sit at feet and hear his words....And Martha asked the lord to speak to my sister Mary to come and help me...I SERVE ALONE.
......But Jesus answered Martha saying you are troubled with many things but MARY HAS CHOSEN THAT GOOD PART THAT SHALL NOT BE TAKEN AWAY FROM HER....The good part is to sit at his feet and hear his Words of the Kingdom.... Luke 10 :40
.....Jesus said to labor not for the meat that parishes but for that BREAD that endured unto everlasting life that the SON of man shall give unto you.
......Remember God furnished a table in the Wilderness....Take no though for your life what ye shall eat or drink .. Your father knows what you have need of b/f you even ask him...If he feeds the birds he will feed you....Trush in him for your everything.
I loved this site. it is like family and when you do not have one it is a good place to come. I guess I thought this subject could be discussed but seems like I was wrong. I have never denied the divinity of our Lord Jesus Christ. In my posts I never said the Son of God was created, I said begotten, and we do not know how He was begotten.
Jesus was the beginning of creation Alpha, the beginning He was begotten before anything in the entire creation, nothing was before the Son of God. He was already begotten when God sent and gave Him. He was not begotten in Marys' womb, because everything through Him was created. I feel I listed scripture for everything I said and never was trying to be sneaky or tried to prove anything not true.
I have always treated everyone with love and have always said it is my understanding and have never been dogmatic on any subject. I have never judged and told anyone they were wrong or have I ever belittled anyone. The response I have received is baseless and hurtful.
I am sorry my posts were misunderstood, but as I said they are my understanding and I stand by salvation is only in/through Jesus by the grace of God and through the faith of Jesus is salvation and eternal life and nothing can be placed above that.
Jesus was the beginning of creation and Jesus the Son of God will end this creation in the heavens and the earth when He turns it back to the Father and God makes all new. Jesus is the Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending.
The original Hebrew reads "Hkthnth phsim" which is translated as "tunic of distinction" and further interpreted (by Jews) as "a coat of [many] colours". The Septuagint (Greek) text says "chitona poikilon" which means "tunic of many [colours]".
1 Corinthians 13:12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known. ( Paul didn't say he knew it all) I really doubt anyone else does.
Revelation 1:9 I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.
10 (I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day), and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,
Was in the Spirit of the Lord and writing what he was told. So many have tried but have been wrong.
Interesting question. I clicked on the verse then scrolled down to the Strong's translation info and then viewed other translations on that page and it does appear some interpreted it as a long coat but others many colors. I believe there are some in this forum that speak Hebrew so it would be nice to get their opinion when they read the original Hebrew.
Amen. John 1:2-3 debunks the false doctrine of Jesus being "created" and some try to retrofit the word "begotten" word to make it seem like it means that instead of its actual meaning "only". I wonder where this recent movement trying to deny Jesus's divinity originates from, because it seems like a recent attack, perhaps even coordinated.
Thanks Chris for your reply! I agree with the thought that the "Word was with God and the Word was God". I think the difference in beliefs is what happened when the in Word was made flesh. John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. I believe he was full of "grace and truth". He carried nature of God, but needed the grace of God and had to access it like we do. That is why he prayed, fasted, etc to resist temptation. Luke 2:40 And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, filled with wisdom: and the grace of God was upon him. v 52 And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, and in favour with God and man. Isaiah 11:3 And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the LORD: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears: I believe he reflected his father at all times. Hebrews 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; The following verse to me is interesting indicating that we have been given the glory that God gave him. John 17:22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: A mystery I have: is when was he considered the begotten Son and when did that happen. Psalm 2:7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee. These thoughts are not all inclusive, but enough hopefully to clear any misunderstandings.
Job was right with God. He was very conscious to give honor and praise. Satan saw this and wanted to prove he could trip up Job. But God knew what kind of faith Job had.
Satan had studied Job making sacrifices for his kids to be sure everything was covered. (The children liked to have parties). So Satan thought that would cripple Jobs faith! He attacked the kids, the houses, animals.
IT WAS SATAN in the wind storm (like a tornado), that wiped out everything Job had and loved. It Wasn't God that did it. He doesn't cause the tragedies that happen in our lives. Satan even sent "concerned friends to drop by and try to tear apart Jobs faith. Terrible things happen. Loss, heartbreak. SATAN is the one that ACCUSES US that our faith is belly up Done. He is the accuser of the brethren. That reality should cause us to do what Job did. In his pain, he sat and waited on God; believed God loved him; God didn't cause this. Dead or alive, he was going to believe in his Lord. Because God is Love. God is good. That's what we all must remember.
This one book tells us what God is like. No matter our losses, fears, and doubts about the future; God will get us through it.
In the New Testament, Jesus teaches that THROUGH HIM AND HIS AUTHORITY over everything: He (deputized) Authorized Believers, to use His Authority just as He used it. He cast out Satan and every demon..causing harm, loss, sickness, to show His disciples how to carry it forward after his departure back to heaven.
We are His Disciples! Every blood bought Christian has been AUTHORIZED to use the NAME OF JESUS. IN JESUS NAME Command cancer to COME OUT, bow it's knee and GO..INTO OUTER DARKNESS! DO NOT RETURN.
DO NOT LISTEN to the lying demons that will say God failed you. Like Job, wait upon God and PRAISE HIM NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS.
Hi Virgie , I'm sure you must know that you are never alone , God is with you and so is Jesus , all day every day , they know exactly how you are feeling and why you are feeling this way . My advice ? Pour your heart out to God through Christ your sinless redeemer . He is waiting to hear from you , He is waiting for you to talk to Him , honestly and openly , do not be afraid to tell Him honestly , how you feel , He wants your honesty . Have you been praying regularly and reading His Word regularly ? If not , get to it girl smiley face . As for your family , are they also Christians ? Did you bring them up to be independent people ? Do they think that you are very independent and strong ? Maybe that's why they don't reach out to you too much , you brought them up too well smiley face . Perhaps if you allowed them to see a more vulnerable side to you they would respond , let them know that you miss and love them and would like to see them a bit more , sometimes you have to let your guard down a little bit with people , it's risky I know , but it can be very much worth it in the end . Also , come on here and have a chat to us , much love to you in Christ .
I have enjoyed the many scriptures that prove that Jesus is God....As Hebrews 1 : 8...But unto the Son he says thy THRONE O GOD IS FOREVER AND EVER...A Sceptre of righteousness is the Sceptre of thy Kingdom...God the Father is refering to the Son (Christ Jesus ) as God the Son and having a kingdom.
.....But what really does it for me is his ability to propagate his seed his word in the hearts of ppl causing them to birth the H.G. which is God....B/C i have spoken these words ( his seeds sorrows have filled your hearts a spritual pregnancy....that is gonna result in a Baby Christ the H.G.)....That he refers to as the Promise which is the multiplication of GOD in us....Jesus was reproducing very God with his seed when he breathe on them....Thats y he was saying that which is born of the Spirit is spirit which is the H.G. That Child of Promise....Y is the H.G. the child of Promise simply b/c he fulfilles that great Promise of multiplication of God ....When God Swore that Christ wd be multiplied as the Stars of heaven.
......And Jesus said to whom the word came ( his seed, his breath ) it made them Gods....Thus Christ is truly able to reproduce very God with his seed....And God has already told us that everything has to multiply after its kind Gen. 1 : 8 kjv ....Jesus cd not reproduce after the Spirit if he were not the GOD kind .....Everything has to multiply after its kind according to its seed these are the words of God Almighty....When ya read the parable of the Sower and his seed try to realize that the Sower of that good seed is the bridegroom thus the wheat is a Baby Christ a Baby God....Thats y he is saying whosoever receiveth one such Child in my name receiveth me...Remember God swore himself when he made that great PROMISE of multiplication....Unless ya receive the Kingdom of God as a lil Child you will in no wise enter there in....Y is the good seed a baby Christ simply b/c that good seed is the living WORD which is the very seed of God THAT PROMISE SEED.
Genesis 37:23 Strong's 5646 (coat of) many breadths: I found a question about this, often translated as "many colors" on Quora. The inquiry was about how this word differs in many translations. Another rendering is of many stripes. I have heard that this might refer to comprising strips of different animals' pelts. Whichever the case, it was a special coat or garment and the brothers were jealous because it separated him from them. He was his favorite son and had been treated as special compared to his brothers. They dipped it in goat's blood to take back to the father as a plot to convince him that Joseph had been killed by an animal. The quora question wanted an explanation regarding the various renderings. I tried to find this discussion in commentaries but failed. Perhaps someone else on this forum could give a more thorough explanation for me to present to the person who posted the pertaining question.
Hi Eng. I noticed a long time ago, when I hit my finger with a hammer; the other hand immediately clamps the hand in pain. It happens all the time (to me). I kinda thought the Lord was showing me something?
If you watch people in any brand of Church, go to the front for prayer?
1. Women pray for women, laying a hand on the shoulder.
2. Men pray with men. Hand on shoulder.
Everyone in the pews wait to be dismissed by Pastor. If the Holy Spirit is present, it's respectful to wait until the altar call is concluded.
Are we seeing with the church turning away from the true gospel of Christ the removal of God's candlesticks from the church? What about the 'falling away"?
Learning to Be More Like Jesus - In Reply - 1 year ago
Unforgiveness is sort of like a LAWSUIT without a Ruling or a Decision.
It takes way more ENERGY to maintain unforgiveness.
Forgive, in Jesus Name. Forbid Satan to keep stirring the ashes.
If that person refuses to drop the issue; that may be a friend you need to let go. Forgive. Take their name out of your contact list.
If 2 Christians "go to law" with each other, both of them are being heard in the Court of Heaven.
Our lives are harder when we don't read the Bible that often. We have great times together in here sorting through various scriptures that help explain things better. It's fun.
Jesus, God the Father, and the Holy Spirit all exhibit the uniqueness attributable only to God, even though each is somehow spoken of as separate from God. God is Triune and therefore difficult for humans to understand. Humans also have divisions that are not easily understandable, although not separate entities like the Trinity of God. We have spirits, souls, and bodies, and they 3 are one, as we see in 1 John 5:
1 John 5:8
And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.
Another reference to the divisions in men is found in Hebrews 4:
Hebrews 4:12
For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
Another example can be gleaned from Romans 7:
14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
It seems that there were those in Thessalonica who were refusing to work, assuming that since "Jesus would return at any minute", they didn't need to. Paul dispels the nonsense as laziness and reminds them of their previous policy when he was present. No work, no food.
God created man on the sixth day with two basic purposes by which he would fulfill his primary purpose to glorify God as a bearer of the Divine Image: working and multiplying. Perhaps multiplying could be left off in the New Testament Age based on Paul's teaching concerning singleness ( 1 Cor 7:7), and based on the fact that there seems to be no reproduction in eternity ( Mt 22:30). But working will be a part of our eternal existence. It is what we were made for, not only in this life but also in the next.
Each man and woman has been given a deposit of talent, energy, and resources. God will return and demand an account for our usage. Furthermore, he has promised that throughout our lives we are to live by the principle of stewardship and faithfulness, and we will be added increase as we prove capable. To refuse to work is an affront to the Creator and should not be rewarded or tolerated in the church.
The Gospel, unlike the Old Covenant, is not about rules, per se. It is about the grace of God that transforms a heart into a lover of God and his Kingdom and righteousness. But the apostles did sometimes give "rules" when necessary, and only those which accorded with grace and the Gospel. In this case, the problem of laziness was so prevalent, it had to be addressed as a rule.
There are certainly instances when a Christian is unable to work, whether because of a depressed economy, or a disability. But it is often the case that what is called inability is really an excuse for unwillingness. At nearly all costs, a human, an image-bearer of God, should make themselves useful and add value to their society.
Amen Chris Yes that John 17 : 5 is a very strong scripture to prove without a doubt that Christ is truly God the son and was with God before the world began....
Hi Gigi , if you have any doubt about the sword being a symbol for the Word of God , please read Ephesians Ch 6 , V 10-17 . This is what will be used to divide the goats from the sheep , the Word of God as spoken by Christ . We must try to keep his word or we will be judged as goats and cast away forever .
Hello all dear friends and Jesus saved people both women and men. When I came across some words today, just want to remind you of what Jesus said here: Luke 19:41-44.
God bless you all in Jesus holy name, i love you in Christ.
Remember and forgive all ppl their sins. Then we know that we are also forgiven by God. Luke 11:1-13
Hi Doug. All the Scriptures you've given are wonderful & indeed show Jesus Christ in His Humanity. I don't think anyone who believes in the deity of Christ could ever reject or even alter the meaning of those verses to suit some agenda. For so Jesus was: a Man on Earth & a Man in Heaven, now the mediator between God & men. But was He/is He just a Man?
The dispute doesn't exist with those precious verses. It exists when some believe that Jesus had no existence before He became a Man. Scriptures have been provided by several of us, to reveal this pre-incarnate Jesus - unfortunately, those Scriptures have been either been avoided, misconstrued or altered in meaning/application to reflect their belief. Personally, I have given those Scriptures several times, but on maybe one or two occasions over these years, none has ever come back to me with a desire to expound them further. So maybe I will try with you brother since you appear quite keen.
Just one verse: how do you understand John 17:5? "And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was." What is Jesus saying in His prayer to His Father? Thank you.
Dear Mr Priday, Thanks for an interesting post, it was an easy read.
So it is also with the Kingdom of God. NOTHING IS Difficult.
If everything is in order with Apostles, Prophets, Miracles, Casting out evil spirits also further allows that one personally does not like. May have such a task in God's gifts. Would everyone have benefited from it.
Many leaders are afraid to let go of the Free Spirit, because then they themselves end up in the shadow of what is central. Because they are fighting a war with themselves.
LET THE SPIRIT RULE.
It is Jesus who must be central!
Put away the flesh and let the spirit lead.
Begin with praise and prayer.
Not the next meeting, for example. No one is perfect and it doesn't help anyone to think for themselves. As a rule, it turns out to be the opposite of what one thinks. And ALL who are to be leaders Must be a man and a woman. There we have the full Image of God.
If a man leads = for men.
If a woman leads = for women.
Unless man and woman stand together in leading. Will there be divisions in the flesh of Jesus. Because a congregation should not have a party for either men or women, it should serve them both.
I would like to point out that if the congregation does not consider a person to be neither a teacher nor a prophet. Then they make a big mistake in being biased and carnal. In such a congregation i would not have been standing. Because we all know what kind of gifts/presents we have received! And if the congregation does not let the gifts flow in the meetings, they will never see them either, and then it is easy to say that you do not have the gift you want to work in. Then the eye itself is sick. And needed and healed.
God bless u and yours in Jesus name, love u much in Christ. Luke 19:41-44
Hello Ronald. If I might add my understanding to some of the Scriptural references you gave.
Revelation 3:14: "These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God." The Greek for 'beginning' is 'arche', as we add that prefix to the words such as 'arch-enemy, arch-bishop, arch-rival. It certainly has the primary meaning of a 'beginning or first in line', but it clearly denotes 'one who holds the primary highest position/control over others'. That being the case, if Jesus first appeared as the creation by God in the womb of Mary, it could never be said that He was the beginning/first in line to all of God's Creation, which happened several millennia prior. But Jesus was there because He was involved in the creative Work ( John 1:1-3; Colossians 1:16; Hebrews 1:2).
Colossians 1:15: "Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature." I understand that 'firstborn' indicated here, refers to the 'rights & privileges' of the firstborn child (e.g. 2 Chronicles 21:3). All God's creation have received His Love & Care, but at the birth of His Son into humanity, Jesus, as the Son, was the first(born) to gain/inherit His Father's full estate, as well as enjoying "the fullness of God in Himself" ( Colossians 1:19). But the full riches of God to humanity could only be realized by those placing their trust in the Forerunner & Shepherd of their faith, Jesus Christ.
John 17:5: "O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was." What was His Glory? We can assume all of God's Glory, for He is the Word of/from God, but even if that wasn't the case, Jesus, as the Word of God, had that Glory even before creation of the worlds.
You stated, "I honor the Son for what He gave up." If Jesus (the Word) didn't exist from eternity within the Person of God, & was only created from the womb of Mary, I wonder what He had to give up? Your responses have been very interesting.
I think your doctrine of not believing in Jesus's divinity requires a few hoops to jump through:
1. Not take John 1:1 literally that says Jesus (Word) is God
2. Ignore that God is plural 'we' and 'us' in Genesis
3. Assume that Jesus's behavior as a temporary man with limited power automatically means that that is how He normally is
4. Misinterpret the word "begotten"
5. Ignore the words Godhead and claim its a bad translation
6. Ignore that Jesus's name Immanuel means 'God with us'
7. Ignore 1 John 5:7-8 that the Father, Son, Holy Spirit are one, and try to dilute the word 'one' to make it seem insignificant.
8. Ignore John 1:3 that Jesus has always been and made everything and claim that Jesus was created later
9. Ignore that Jesus is the same I AM in the NT as the I AM in the OT
10. Ignore that Jesus is the same First/Last, Beginning/End in the NT as the same from God in the OT.
There's much more, but I'll stop at 10. I'm also not 100% sure you even read my last 2 replies so I don't want to spent energy on something you may not even read. There's an enormous about of verses supporting that Jesus is God and nothing clearly saying the opposite. For example if you found a verse that says 'Jesus is NOT God', then you would then only begin to your cause to counter the Bible already saying Jesus IS God in John 1:1, but we don't even have that.
With all the scriptural evidence here, is it possible you have any vested interest to prove that Jesus isn't God for another reason? If you read enough verses supporting that Jesus IS God, is that something you might reconsider someday or do you feel content with your current belief?
Do you believe Jesus is truly Lord like it says in Romans 10:9?
In Philippians 3:2, the term dogs in this text is actually making reference to a religious phrase. The Gentiles were considered dogs by the Jews.
There are two words in the New Testament that have to do with a dog. KUNARION is a household pet. And then we have a KUON. A KUON is a wild scavenger. And that's the animal used here.
Gentiles were called KUON'S, wild scavengers, impure, and grungy. So it was an insult to call somebody a KUON.
And so he's using the word KUON. He says beware of the dogs. That's the false teachers that come in.
Beware of evil workers, beware of the concision, which literally means mutilation.
PERITOME, to cut around, is the Greek word for circumcision. KATATOME, to cut off, is the word for mutilation. And Paul is using the exaggerated mind picture for us to say that people that go around cutting themselves in any way, shape, or form in order to better themselves spiritually, that's all they are doing is mutilating themselves.
Beware of those false teachers that say that you can come in and receive Christ, but you have to be circumcised. Beware of the evil workers. Beware of the dogs.
Your first point about "In the beginning" is the 2nd time you brought that up and I already responded to it- did you see it? Just scroll up. Not only that, GiGi also responded to you on that exact point too, but you still brought that false assumption up as 'evidence' against Jesus being God even after it was explained?
The next couple paragraphs seems hard to follow on how this relates to my previous comment.
The end of your comment I see you did respond not to the "I AM" question but to the "First/Last, Beginning/End" part. I see you are somehow viewing this as confirmation that Jesus has limits. This is strange to me, because this exact phrase means he does NOT have limits, that He spans all existence. What was significant about this is God in the Old Testament says this AND Jesus says it in the New Testament. And "I AM" was spoken by God in the Old Testament AND by Jesus in the New Testament. Do you understand the significance of this?
Finally, I can tell that your use of the word "begotten" is not the real meaning of that word. That word means "only". Jesus is God the Father's *only* son. See the Greek word here: Link
Some have misinterpreted this word, hopefully not intentionally, to make it seem as though Jesus was "created." But not only does that word not mean that, but the Bible already debunked this in advance, as if they even predicted people might one say start saying stuff like this.
John 1:3 "All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made."
This means all things were made by Jesus and without Jesus, nothing else was made. In verses 1-2 before it, it clearly says Jesus was always there, and so was God the Father. Both of them together. This debunks the idea that God the Father created Jesus.
There is a mountain of Bible verses saying Jesus is God and not one that says the opposite. Even Jesus's name Immanuel is "God with us."
......But Jesus answered Martha saying you are troubled with many things but MARY HAS CHOSEN THAT GOOD PART THAT SHALL NOT BE TAKEN AWAY FROM HER....The good part is to sit at his feet and hear his Words of the Kingdom.... Luke 10 :40
.....Jesus said to labor not for the meat that parishes but for that BREAD that endured unto everlasting life that the SON of man shall give unto you.
......Remember God furnished a table in the Wilderness....Take no though for your life what ye shall eat or drink .. Your father knows what you have need of b/f you even ask him...If he feeds the birds he will feed you....Trush in him for your everything.
I loved this site. it is like family and when you do not have one it is a good place to come. I guess I thought this subject could be discussed but seems like I was wrong. I have never denied the divinity of our Lord Jesus Christ. In my posts I never said the Son of God was created, I said begotten, and we do not know how He was begotten.
Jesus was the beginning of creation Alpha, the beginning He was begotten before anything in the entire creation, nothing was before the Son of God. He was already begotten when God sent and gave Him. He was not begotten in Marys' womb, because everything through Him was created. I feel I listed scripture for everything I said and never was trying to be sneaky or tried to prove anything not true.
I have always treated everyone with love and have always said it is my understanding and have never been dogmatic on any subject. I have never judged and told anyone they were wrong or have I ever belittled anyone. The response I have received is baseless and hurtful.
I am sorry my posts were misunderstood, but as I said they are my understanding and I stand by salvation is only in/through Jesus by the grace of God and through the faith of Jesus is salvation and eternal life and nothing can be placed above that.
Jesus was the beginning of creation and Jesus the Son of God will end this creation in the heavens and the earth when He turns it back to the Father and God makes all new. Jesus is the Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending.
God bless you all,
RLW
The original Hebrew reads "Hkthnth phsim" which is translated as "tunic of distinction" and further interpreted (by Jews) as "a coat of [many] colours". The Septuagint (Greek) text says "chitona poikilon" which means "tunic of many [colours]".
Revelation 1:9 I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.
10 (I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day), and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,
Was in the Spirit of the Lord and writing what he was told. So many have tried but have been wrong.
Interesting question. I clicked on the verse then scrolled down to the Strong's translation info and then viewed other translations on that page and it does appear some interpreted it as a long coat but others many colors. I believe there are some in this forum that speak Hebrew so it would be nice to get their opinion when they read the original Hebrew.
Satan had studied Job making sacrifices for his kids to be sure everything was covered. (The children liked to have parties). So Satan thought that would cripple Jobs faith! He attacked the kids, the houses, animals.
IT WAS SATAN in the wind storm (like a tornado), that wiped out everything Job had and loved. It Wasn't God that did it. He doesn't cause the tragedies that happen in our lives. Satan even sent "concerned friends to drop by and try to tear apart Jobs faith. Terrible things happen. Loss, heartbreak. SATAN is the one that ACCUSES US that our faith is belly up Done. He is the accuser of the brethren. That reality should cause us to do what Job did. In his pain, he sat and waited on God; believed God loved him; God didn't cause this. Dead or alive, he was going to believe in his Lord. Because God is Love. God is good. That's what we all must remember.
This one book tells us what God is like. No matter our losses, fears, and doubts about the future; God will get us through it.
In the New Testament, Jesus teaches that THROUGH HIM AND HIS AUTHORITY over everything: He (deputized) Authorized Believers, to use His Authority just as He used it. He cast out Satan and every demon..causing harm, loss, sickness, to show His disciples how to carry it forward after his departure back to heaven.
We are His Disciples! Every blood bought Christian has been AUTHORIZED to use the NAME OF JESUS. IN JESUS NAME Command cancer to COME OUT, bow it's knee and GO..INTO OUTER DARKNESS! DO NOT RETURN.
DO NOT LISTEN to the lying demons that will say God failed you. Like Job, wait upon God and PRAISE HIM NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS.
Fight, rest, repeat.
.....But what really does it for me is his ability to propagate his seed his word in the hearts of ppl causing them to birth the H.G. which is God....B/C i have spoken these words ( his seeds sorrows have filled your hearts a spritual pregnancy....that is gonna result in a Baby Christ the H.G.)....That he refers to as the Promise which is the multiplication of GOD in us....Jesus was reproducing very God with his seed when he breathe on them....Thats y he was saying that which is born of the Spirit is spirit which is the H.G. That Child of Promise....Y is the H.G. the child of Promise simply b/c he fulfilles that great Promise of multiplication of God ....When God Swore that Christ wd be multiplied as the Stars of heaven.
......And Jesus said to whom the word came ( his seed, his breath ) it made them Gods....Thus Christ is truly able to reproduce very God with his seed....And God has already told us that everything has to multiply after its kind Gen. 1 : 8 kjv ....Jesus cd not reproduce after the Spirit if he were not the GOD kind .....Everything has to multiply after its kind according to its seed these are the words of God Almighty....When ya read the parable of the Sower and his seed try to realize that the Sower of that good seed is the bridegroom thus the wheat is a Baby Christ a Baby God....Thats y he is saying whosoever receiveth one such Child in my name receiveth me...Remember God swore himself when he made that great PROMISE of multiplication....Unless ya receive the Kingdom of God as a lil Child you will in no wise enter there in....Y is the good seed a baby Christ simply b/c that good seed is the living WORD which is the very seed of God THAT PROMISE SEED.
(To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David.)
The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
2022 is a far cry from church services in 1960's. People doing Gods work need to examine themselves according to scripture.
It is not at all unusual to make an appointment with the associate Pastor to discuss any questions you might have.
If you watch people in any brand of Church, go to the front for prayer?
1. Women pray for women, laying a hand on the shoulder.
2. Men pray with men. Hand on shoulder.
Everyone in the pews wait to be dismissed by Pastor. If the Holy Spirit is present, it's respectful to wait until the altar call is concluded.
It takes way more ENERGY to maintain unforgiveness.
Forgive, in Jesus Name. Forbid Satan to keep stirring the ashes.
If that person refuses to drop the issue; that may be a friend you need to let go. Forgive. Take their name out of your contact list.
If 2 Christians "go to law" with each other, both of them are being heard in the Court of Heaven.
Our lives are harder when we don't read the Bible that often. We have great times together in here sorting through various scriptures that help explain things better. It's fun.
Jesus, God the Father, and the Holy Spirit all exhibit the uniqueness attributable only to God, even though each is somehow spoken of as separate from God. God is Triune and therefore difficult for humans to understand. Humans also have divisions that are not easily understandable, although not separate entities like the Trinity of God. We have spirits, souls, and bodies, and they 3 are one, as we see in 1 John 5:
1 John 5:8
And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.
Another reference to the divisions in men is found in Hebrews 4:
Hebrews 4:12
For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
Another example can be gleaned from Romans 7:
14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
God created man on the sixth day with two basic purposes by which he would fulfill his primary purpose to glorify God as a bearer of the Divine Image: working and multiplying. Perhaps multiplying could be left off in the New Testament Age based on Paul's teaching concerning singleness ( 1 Cor 7:7), and based on the fact that there seems to be no reproduction in eternity ( Mt 22:30). But working will be a part of our eternal existence. It is what we were made for, not only in this life but also in the next.
Each man and woman has been given a deposit of talent, energy, and resources. God will return and demand an account for our usage. Furthermore, he has promised that throughout our lives we are to live by the principle of stewardship and faithfulness, and we will be added increase as we prove capable. To refuse to work is an affront to the Creator and should not be rewarded or tolerated in the church.
The Gospel, unlike the Old Covenant, is not about rules, per se. It is about the grace of God that transforms a heart into a lover of God and his Kingdom and righteousness. But the apostles did sometimes give "rules" when necessary, and only those which accorded with grace and the Gospel. In this case, the problem of laziness was so prevalent, it had to be addressed as a rule.
There are certainly instances when a Christian is unable to work, whether because of a depressed economy, or a disability. But it is often the case that what is called inability is really an excuse for unwillingness. At nearly all costs, a human, an image-bearer of God, should make themselves useful and add value to their society.
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God bless you all in Jesus holy name, i love you in Christ.
Remember and forgive all ppl their sins. Then we know that we are also forgiven by God. Luke 11:1-13
The dispute doesn't exist with those precious verses. It exists when some believe that Jesus had no existence before He became a Man. Scriptures have been provided by several of us, to reveal this pre-incarnate Jesus - unfortunately, those Scriptures have been either been avoided, misconstrued or altered in meaning/application to reflect their belief. Personally, I have given those Scriptures several times, but on maybe one or two occasions over these years, none has ever come back to me with a desire to expound them further. So maybe I will try with you brother since you appear quite keen.
Just one verse: how do you understand John 17:5? "And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was." What is Jesus saying in His prayer to His Father? Thank you.
So it is also with the Kingdom of God. NOTHING IS Difficult.
If everything is in order with Apostles, Prophets, Miracles, Casting out evil spirits also further allows that one personally does not like. May have such a task in God's gifts. Would everyone have benefited from it.
Many leaders are afraid to let go of the Free Spirit, because then they themselves end up in the shadow of what is central. Because they are fighting a war with themselves.
LET THE SPIRIT RULE.
It is Jesus who must be central!
Put away the flesh and let the spirit lead.
Begin with praise and prayer.
Not the next meeting, for example. No one is perfect and it doesn't help anyone to think for themselves. As a rule, it turns out to be the opposite of what one thinks. And ALL who are to be leaders Must be a man and a woman. There we have the full Image of God.
If a man leads = for men.
If a woman leads = for women.
Unless man and woman stand together in leading. Will there be divisions in the flesh of Jesus. Because a congregation should not have a party for either men or women, it should serve them both.
I would like to point out that if the congregation does not consider a person to be neither a teacher nor a prophet. Then they make a big mistake in being biased and carnal. In such a congregation i would not have been standing. Because we all know what kind of gifts/presents we have received! And if the congregation does not let the gifts flow in the meetings, they will never see them either, and then it is easy to say that you do not have the gift you want to work in. Then the eye itself is sick. And needed and healed.
God bless u and yours in Jesus name, love u much in Christ. Luke 19:41-44
Revelation 3:14: "These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God." The Greek for 'beginning' is 'arche', as we add that prefix to the words such as 'arch-enemy, arch-bishop, arch-rival. It certainly has the primary meaning of a 'beginning or first in line', but it clearly denotes 'one who holds the primary highest position/control over others'. That being the case, if Jesus first appeared as the creation by God in the womb of Mary, it could never be said that He was the beginning/first in line to all of God's Creation, which happened several millennia prior. But Jesus was there because He was involved in the creative Work ( John 1:1-3; Colossians 1:16; Hebrews 1:2).
Colossians 1:15: "Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature." I understand that 'firstborn' indicated here, refers to the 'rights & privileges' of the firstborn child (e.g. 2 Chronicles 21:3). All God's creation have received His Love & Care, but at the birth of His Son into humanity, Jesus, as the Son, was the first(born) to gain/inherit His Father's full estate, as well as enjoying "the fullness of God in Himself" ( Colossians 1:19). But the full riches of God to humanity could only be realized by those placing their trust in the Forerunner & Shepherd of their faith, Jesus Christ.
John 17:5: "O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was." What was His Glory? We can assume all of God's Glory, for He is the Word of/from God, but even if that wasn't the case, Jesus, as the Word of God, had that Glory even before creation of the worlds.
You stated, "I honor the Son for what He gave up." If Jesus (the Word) didn't exist from eternity within the Person of God, & was only created from the womb of Mary, I wonder what He had to give up? Your responses have been very interesting.
I think your doctrine of not believing in Jesus's divinity requires a few hoops to jump through:
1. Not take John 1:1 literally that says Jesus (Word) is God
2. Ignore that God is plural 'we' and 'us' in Genesis
3. Assume that Jesus's behavior as a temporary man with limited power automatically means that that is how He normally is
4. Misinterpret the word "begotten"
5. Ignore the words Godhead and claim its a bad translation
6. Ignore that Jesus's name Immanuel means 'God with us'
7. Ignore 1 John 5:7-8 that the Father, Son, Holy Spirit are one, and try to dilute the word 'one' to make it seem insignificant.
8. Ignore John 1:3 that Jesus has always been and made everything and claim that Jesus was created later
9. Ignore that Jesus is the same I AM in the NT as the I AM in the OT
10. Ignore that Jesus is the same First/Last, Beginning/End in the NT as the same from God in the OT.
There's much more, but I'll stop at 10. I'm also not 100% sure you even read my last 2 replies so I don't want to spent energy on something you may not even read. There's an enormous about of verses supporting that Jesus is God and nothing clearly saying the opposite. For example if you found a verse that says 'Jesus is NOT God', then you would then only begin to your cause to counter the Bible already saying Jesus IS God in John 1:1, but we don't even have that.
With all the scriptural evidence here, is it possible you have any vested interest to prove that Jesus isn't God for another reason? If you read enough verses supporting that Jesus IS God, is that something you might reconsider someday or do you feel content with your current belief?
Do you believe Jesus is truly Lord like it says in Romans 10:9?
God bless.
In Philippians 3:2, the term dogs in this text is actually making reference to a religious phrase. The Gentiles were considered dogs by the Jews.
There are two words in the New Testament that have to do with a dog. KUNARION is a household pet. And then we have a KUON. A KUON is a wild scavenger. And that's the animal used here.
Gentiles were called KUON'S, wild scavengers, impure, and grungy. So it was an insult to call somebody a KUON.
And so he's using the word KUON. He says beware of the dogs. That's the false teachers that come in.
Beware of evil workers, beware of the concision, which literally means mutilation.
PERITOME, to cut around, is the Greek word for circumcision. KATATOME, to cut off, is the word for mutilation. And Paul is using the exaggerated mind picture for us to say that people that go around cutting themselves in any way, shape, or form in order to better themselves spiritually, that's all they are doing is mutilating themselves.
Beware of those false teachers that say that you can come in and receive Christ, but you have to be circumcised. Beware of the evil workers. Beware of the dogs.
Your first point about "In the beginning" is the 2nd time you brought that up and I already responded to it- did you see it? Just scroll up. Not only that, GiGi also responded to you on that exact point too, but you still brought that false assumption up as 'evidence' against Jesus being God even after it was explained?
The next couple paragraphs seems hard to follow on how this relates to my previous comment.
The end of your comment I see you did respond not to the "I AM" question but to the "First/Last, Beginning/End" part. I see you are somehow viewing this as confirmation that Jesus has limits. This is strange to me, because this exact phrase means he does NOT have limits, that He spans all existence. What was significant about this is God in the Old Testament says this AND Jesus says it in the New Testament. And "I AM" was spoken by God in the Old Testament AND by Jesus in the New Testament. Do you understand the significance of this?
Finally, I can tell that your use of the word "begotten" is not the real meaning of that word. That word means "only". Jesus is God the Father's *only* son. See the Greek word here: Link
Some have misinterpreted this word, hopefully not intentionally, to make it seem as though Jesus was "created." But not only does that word not mean that, but the Bible already debunked this in advance, as if they even predicted people might one say start saying stuff like this.
John 1:3 "All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made."
This means all things were made by Jesus and without Jesus, nothing else was made. In verses 1-2 before it, it clearly says Jesus was always there, and so was God the Father. Both of them together. This debunks the idea that God the Father created Jesus.
There is a mountain of Bible verses saying Jesus is God and not one that says the opposite. Even Jesus's name Immanuel is "God with us."