Jesse, I do think water could have some role in the remission of sins. I don't claim to understand it all, but out of Jesus side flowed blood and water. John 19:34 But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and forthwith came there out blood and water. 1 John 5:6 This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ.
Romans 6:3-8, Know ye not that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in the newness of life.
For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
For he that is dead is freed from sin.
Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him.
Also
Mark 16:16-17
Colossians 2:11-12
Also in the old testament the parting of the red sea was a type of baptism.
Peter said be baptized for the remission of sins.
In the book of Acts all were water baptized in the name of Jesus Christ /unto the Lord.
Thanks GiGi. I can understand the point you're making with this - specifically by your personal application, calling upon the Name of the LORD in times of stress or distress.
I can appreciate what you've shared but not as some might believe: in that mystical manner of trying to invoke the divine through physical exercises of engaging an altered state of mind & conscience to get in touch with the spiritual realm. Christians should be aware of this & to be always "girding up the loins of their minds", fully in control of mind & body in our presence before God, in Christ.
This is medically possible if one is under great mental duress. When this happens it causes the capillaries to open up and you sweat blood. You have to remember his father was showing him what he was going to go through. Jesus's death had to be of his own freewill. That is why he asked his father " to take this cup from me, not my will but thine be done" . Jesus was so tortured that he was unrecognizable as a man. We read this in psalm 22 which describes his crucifixion. He says I am no more a man I am a worm. This worm that he refers to was used to dye clothes scarlet. He was so beaten for 24 hours that he was unrecognizable. This is why that had to get one Simon of Cyrene to carry his cross. You have to read all the gospels to price together and get a full picture of his crucifixion. I hope this helps, and may God bless you in your thirst for knowledge and understanding.
I concur with Brother Jesse, and I believe the previous verses verify that as well.
Matthew 24:37-39.
"But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
AND KNEW NOT UNTIL THE FLOOD CAME, AND TOOK THEM ALL AWAY; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Kimberly Jesus spoke of a time coming when no man cd work....When he said i am the light of the world but the NIGHT cometh when no man cd work....And Isaiah also mentions this spiritual darkness coming that wd cover the the earth... Isaiah 60:2....Darkness will cover the earth and gross darkness the ppl.....This abomination of desolation began with the great falling away of the early Church.... Micah 5:3 said he was gonna give them up...till the woman goes into birth pains....The last 2 k yrs have been nothing but wars and rumors of wars...and senseless killings around the world....6.5 million Jews died in Hitlers death camps....All the churches have been DESOLATE even the big mega Churches are beyond desolation....No amount of prayer cd stop the horrors that has been going on in this world and the CHURCHES THE LAST 2 K YRS....Joel saw it and said how does the priest and the Ministers do mourn for the new wine ( the new covenant ) that has been cut off....B/C joy is withered away from the sons of man....Joel saw this great falling away.....But Joel said the time is coming when God was gonna pour out his spirit on all flesh in Joel 2 :28 kjv....Satan is now in the pulpits....Standing in the Holy Places....Our Ministers and pastors and Evangelists are now in love with dollars....And materialistic things....and the honor that comes from man....And I also am the chiefest of sinners ....Lord have mercy on me a sinner...But God has given me sight beyond sight...GBU KIM
Yes , I've just read John Ch 20 today V 17 Jesus saith unto her , Touch me not ; for I am not yet ascended to my Father : but go to my brethren and say unto them , I ascend into my Father , and unto your Father ; and to my God , and your God .
People have wondered about this, and there are different views about two in the field, one is taken, one is left. Where does the one go that is taken? We know where the one that is left is, but what about the one that is taken? Some say it's taken into judgment. Some say it's for salvation, a person is taken saved. Some say it's one of these gatherings, the Lord gathering His people from the four corners of the earth.
But in Luke's account, Luke 17:37, it tells us that they are taken into judgment. They are drawn into the Valley of Megiddo for the battle of Armageddon. As you go through Revelation, you will see that God is the one that draws the people and the armies into the valley of Megiddo to fight against Him when He comes. So Luke 17:37 tells us that they are taken for judgment.
Luke 24:47 does not say water baptism is for the remission of sin. It says repentance and remission of sin should be preached. The word "for" is not found, neither is water baptism unless you add it. What Jesus said in Matthew 26:28 would be correct teaching on remission of sin. Jesus does not say that water baptism is for the remission of sins, but the blood He shed is for remission. Water cannot remove sin. Only the blood of Jesus Christ can.
In Acts 2:38, Peter said to Repent! The word repent means make a decision for change. It also carries with it the understanding that you can't change yourself. You're just making the decision for change and you're surrendering your life to Christ for Him to make the change. Repent and be baptized every one of you, (upon the basis of the name of Jesus Christ) for the remission of sins. Please notice that repent comes first. And the promise is that you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
Repent, surrender to Christ, identify with Him, and He will pour out His Spirit upon you and save you. Water baptism does not save. Repentance and surrendering to Christ does. It's when Jesus baptizes us with His Spirit. That's what saves a person, not water baptism.
If, as you say, "Water baptism saves you as in for the "remission of sins". Your previous sins are washed, forgiven," why then did Jesus have to come and shed His blood on the cross? What was that for? I mean if water baptism is for the remission of sin, why did He have to shed His blood?
It says in Hebrews 9:22, "And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and WITHOUT SHEDDING OF BLOOD IS NO REMISSION." But you say water baptism is for the remission of sin?
You also say that "Instead of arguing this & that, why not go to the Lord in prayer & seek this truth. The Lord will always show us the way. Ask for revelation." That's fair advice. But I don't think the Lord revealed to you that water baptism is for the remission of sin. Only the blood He shed!
I was just wondering...since the rich man and Lazarus are just souls, no bodies, as the resurrection of dead has yet to happen, what are those flames? Material? Spiritual? A metaphor for something else? What's your opinion?
Our Father in Heaven and some Blood of Jesus scriptures - In Reply - 1 year ago
Jesus always spoke of his Father in Heaven.
Matthew 16:17
And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in HEAVEN.
[not in Rome]
Matthew 23:9
And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in HEAVEN.
Mark 13:32
But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.
Matthew 5:16
Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father
WHICH IS IN HEAVEN.
Some Blood of Jesus scripture references:
Hebrews 10:19 and 13:12; Ephesians 2:13
1 John 1:7 and 1 John 5:6
Matthew 16:17
I do not want to offend. The Pope, nor any priest of the Catholic Church should be called Father.
God is a consuming fire.
As long as we keep those facts straight, we are ok. The council of Nicea, adopted the King James Bible for all faiths to use.
The way things are going, in the World, now: is a good time to be following Jesus.
Recently, the Pope went to Israel and counseled them to give the West Bank to the Palestinians.
In the Book of Genesis, God made a Covenant through Abraham concerning the Lands of Israel; which includes Jerusalem. The Final wars of mankind will be over Who Owns Israel.
If you don't have a Bible, there is a full Bible on this Website, plus Commentarie.
I don't believe there is any place in scripture that would indicate that our loved ones who have passed away can see us or feel our love for them. I do however think that those who have passed away can remember their past life on earth. We see this in the story of the rich man and Lazarus in Luke 16:19-31. The rich man was tormented in this flame which tells us that he was not saved and that he still had a sense of feel because he asked for Abraham to cool his tongue. He also remembered his brothers on earth who were not saved because he asked that someone would be sent to testify to his brothers.
I find that story to be quite interesting. Here's this rich man being tormented in these flames, and he doesn't ask Abraham to get him out, but that he would just cool the tip of his tongue. Either he didn't want out because he didn't want anything to do with Jesus, or he knew that it was impossible for him to be saved after he had died in a state of rejection.
Do you mean the "Shroud of Turin" or "Holly Shroud", that is supposed to be the piece of cloth in which Jesus was wrapped after crucifixion, and is kept in a R/Catholic cathredal in Turin? It is supposed to contain blood stains that form an image of the dead Jesus.
Matthew 26:28 " For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins ". Also Like 24:47, " And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. "
Matthew 28:19 says In His Name. What's his name? Jesus. Hallelujah
This post is to no one in particular. In the book of Acts, Cornelius was not a Jew & he was water baptized. Water baptism is all thru the New Testament. Romans 6:1-8. Colossians 2. Mark 16:16-17. Luke 24:47 also says it's for the remission of sins. Matthew 26:28Acts 2:38 is the New Testament salvation message. Water baptism saves you as in for the "remission of sins". Your previous sins are washed, forgiven. And now we must walk the straight path, sin no more. Love the Lord w all our heart & love our neighbor as thyself. We must continue on to receive the Holy Ghost. We must receive the Holy Ghost or we are none of his. I am of the Apostles doctrine, the book of Acts. And in Acts 2:39 says, The promise is unto you & to your children and to all those that are afar off even as many as the Lord our God shall call. It was first to the jews but then to the gentiles. There's so much scripture for water baptism. First in Acts 2:38 w Peter saying to "Repent & be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost". Jesus gave Peter the keys to the kingdom of heaven, therefore he was not in error.
Instead of arguing this & that, why not go to the Lord in prayer & seek this truth. The Lord will always show us the way. Ask for revelation. Hallelujah amen I love the Lord & all his ways.
For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise. Good question. Rejoice evermore.
John 19:34 is what you might be looking for. This was not during the resurrection but while He was still on the cross. There is no place in scripture that says they got blood from Jesus during His resurrection.
John 19:31-37 is the prophecy concerning His (Jesus') bones. John 19:36 is the fulfillment of Psalm 34:20 and Exodus 12:4. And then John 19:37 is the fulfillment of Zechariah 12:10.
Jesus went to the money changers and the people had to use roman money and the Hebrew money was used in the temple and there was an exchange rate and Jesus finally got so frustrated with it that He lashed out and started His ministry it is as it was with the money changers it's just now it's on an international level and Jesus methinks is becoming frustrated with the world
It is truly frightening for one to believe he can keep on sinning claiming he is only commiting sins that are common to man I am disgusted with the sins that aren't common to man whatever they may be still I will rather than to deny Christ God and His salvation sometimes I feel like the expectation of a fiery indignation.
This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood.
And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood,and these three agree in one.
If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his son.
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
8 souls were saved by water.
The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ.
Romans 6:3-8, Know ye not that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in the newness of life.
For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
For he that is dead is freed from sin.
Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him.
Also
Mark 16:16-17
Colossians 2:11-12
Also in the old testament the parting of the red sea was a type of baptism.
Peter said be baptized for the remission of sins.
In the book of Acts all were water baptized in the name of Jesus Christ /unto the Lord.
I can appreciate what you've shared but not as some might believe: in that mystical manner of trying to invoke the divine through physical exercises of engaging an altered state of mind & conscience to get in touch with the spiritual realm. Christians should be aware of this & to be always "girding up the loins of their minds", fully in control of mind & body in our presence before God, in Christ.
Well spoken.
God bless you.
"Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his"
Acts 8:15-17 seems to suggest that it is possible
to believe and not have the Spirit?
So how does one:
a.determine whether this critical status has been achieved?
b.And if it is pending, what is the mechanism for the attainment of that status?
I concur with Brother Jesse, and I believe the previous verses verify that as well.
Matthew 24:37-39.
"But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
AND KNEW NOT UNTIL THE FLOOD CAME, AND TOOK THEM ALL AWAY; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
No one left but Noah and his family!
God bless.
Like 16 is sure some interesting reading.
Beautifully said!!!
People have wondered about this, and there are different views about two in the field, one is taken, one is left. Where does the one go that is taken? We know where the one that is left is, but what about the one that is taken? Some say it's taken into judgment. Some say it's for salvation, a person is taken saved. Some say it's one of these gatherings, the Lord gathering His people from the four corners of the earth.
But in Luke's account, Luke 17:37, it tells us that they are taken into judgment. They are drawn into the Valley of Megiddo for the battle of Armageddon. As you go through Revelation, you will see that God is the one that draws the people and the armies into the valley of Megiddo to fight against Him when He comes. So Luke 17:37 tells us that they are taken for judgment.
Luke 24:47 does not say water baptism is for the remission of sin. It says repentance and remission of sin should be preached. The word "for" is not found, neither is water baptism unless you add it. What Jesus said in Matthew 26:28 would be correct teaching on remission of sin. Jesus does not say that water baptism is for the remission of sins, but the blood He shed is for remission. Water cannot remove sin. Only the blood of Jesus Christ can.
In Acts 2:38, Peter said to Repent! The word repent means make a decision for change. It also carries with it the understanding that you can't change yourself. You're just making the decision for change and you're surrendering your life to Christ for Him to make the change. Repent and be baptized every one of you, (upon the basis of the name of Jesus Christ) for the remission of sins. Please notice that repent comes first. And the promise is that you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
Repent, surrender to Christ, identify with Him, and He will pour out His Spirit upon you and save you. Water baptism does not save. Repentance and surrendering to Christ does. It's when Jesus baptizes us with His Spirit. That's what saves a person, not water baptism.
If, as you say, "Water baptism saves you as in for the "remission of sins". Your previous sins are washed, forgiven," why then did Jesus have to come and shed His blood on the cross? What was that for? I mean if water baptism is for the remission of sin, why did He have to shed His blood?
It says in Hebrews 9:22, "And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and WITHOUT SHEDDING OF BLOOD IS NO REMISSION." But you say water baptism is for the remission of sin?
You also say that "Instead of arguing this & that, why not go to the Lord in prayer & seek this truth. The Lord will always show us the way. Ask for revelation." That's fair advice. But I don't think the Lord revealed to you that water baptism is for the remission of sin. Only the blood He shed!
I was just wondering...since the rich man and Lazarus are just souls, no bodies, as the resurrection of dead has yet to happen, what are those flames? Material? Spiritual? A metaphor for something else? What's your opinion?
GBU
You're absolutely right.
God bless.
Matthew 16:17
And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in HEAVEN.
[not in Rome]
Matthew 23:9
And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in HEAVEN.
Mark 13:32
But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.
Matthew 5:16
Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father
WHICH IS IN HEAVEN.
Some Blood of Jesus scripture references:
Hebrews 10:19 and 13:12; Ephesians 2:13
1 John 1:7 and 1 John 5:6
Matthew 16:17
I do not want to offend. The Pope, nor any priest of the Catholic Church should be called Father.
God is a consuming fire.
As long as we keep those facts straight, we are ok. The council of Nicea, adopted the King James Bible for all faiths to use.
The way things are going, in the World, now: is a good time to be following Jesus.
Recently, the Pope went to Israel and counseled them to give the West Bank to the Palestinians.
In the Book of Genesis, God made a Covenant through Abraham concerning the Lands of Israel; which includes Jerusalem. The Final wars of mankind will be over Who Owns Israel.
If you don't have a Bible, there is a full Bible on this Website, plus Commentarie.
I don't believe there is any place in scripture that would indicate that our loved ones who have passed away can see us or feel our love for them. I do however think that those who have passed away can remember their past life on earth. We see this in the story of the rich man and Lazarus in Luke 16:19-31. The rich man was tormented in this flame which tells us that he was not saved and that he still had a sense of feel because he asked for Abraham to cool his tongue. He also remembered his brothers on earth who were not saved because he asked that someone would be sent to testify to his brothers.
I find that story to be quite interesting. Here's this rich man being tormented in these flames, and he doesn't ask Abraham to get him out, but that he would just cool the tip of his tongue. Either he didn't want out because he didn't want anything to do with Jesus, or he knew that it was impossible for him to be saved after he had died in a state of rejection.
Matthew 28:19 says In His Name. What's his name? Jesus. Hallelujah
Instead of arguing this & that, why not go to the Lord in prayer & seek this truth. The Lord will always show us the way. Ask for revelation. Hallelujah amen I love the Lord & all his ways.
Additional verses: Galatians 3:1-29
Galatians 3:26-29
For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise. Good question. Rejoice evermore.
John 19:34 is what you might be looking for. This was not during the resurrection but while He was still on the cross. There is no place in scripture that says they got blood from Jesus during His resurrection.
John 19:31-37 is the prophecy concerning His (Jesus') bones. John 19:36 is the fulfillment of Psalm 34:20 and Exodus 12:4. And then John 19:37 is the fulfillment of Zechariah 12:10.