The words of Christ will find the way. The way into a world that is ready for harvest!
Many cannot see the fields neither can they know the time.
Fore
He who is coming, is the harvest,
We have been sent to declare these things unto you! We who have been given the power to declare these things too you! These things that kings wish to see!
This word has been spoken to those in the other land as these have been spoken unto you ,they should have repented long ago.
They neither repented nor will you?
These are the words of God.
Except the Lord Jesus Christ today, while it is day
Lets talk about Rev. 22:11 just a sec....1st of all.. Salvation can only come by a seed the words of our Lord the contents of the BOOK THE NEW COVENANT....And Jesus says that a Sower went forth to sow his seed ..THE WHEAT and while men slept an enemy came and sowed TARES among the wheat....And the Tares and the Wheat were sown in everyman that heard his WORDS ....Thus the wheat and the tares make us 2 ppl.....Jesus said let them grow together....Do not root up the Tares till the Harvest....The wheat is a baby Christ the Child of Promise....But the Tares are baby devils that wants to destroy the Child of the Kingdom'..Its Kingdom against Kingdom with in us...Thus a war fare in the spiritual realm within us
.....But the Wheat is he that is always Holy and always righteous always just ...But the Tares is he that is always filthy always Unjust ....Always in a warfare with the Wheat...And they grow with in us till the Harvest....The marriage of the lamb right here on this earth....The Tare remains filthy and the Wheat remains Holy....till Jesus sends his Reapers to gather the Tares in bundles and burn them but the Wheat are the Sons of God....The Children of PROMISE...An Israel of God...That are gathered to his barn his Kingdom for the marriage of the lamb.
......He that is unjust let him be unjust still...He that is filthy let him be filthy still....Thats the Tares with in us .....But he that is righteous let him be righteouns still ...He that is Holy let him be Holy still....Thats the Wheat, With in us ...The H.G. THE Children of PROMISE....Our new innerman,our new heart and new spirit.
.....Thats y Bro. Paul was saying with my mind i serve the law of God but with my flesh ( the Tare ) i serve the law of sin....Paul had become 2 ppl....1 Holy the wheat but 1 filthy the tare....O Wretched man that i am.
This is the Judgement right here on this earth....I saw mighty angel proclaiming...The Kingdoms of THIS WORLD have become the kingdoms of our Lord and his Christ.
Hi Giannis. Just one matter that struck me, from Richards reference to Galatians 5:4 ("falling from grace") & your reference to Hebrews 12:15 ("failing the grace of God"). Both Greek words are different as you know: (ekpipto; hustereo), indicating a different application. One, where those who seek justification by the Law instead of the Grace of God do not have salvation, and the other, those who don't "diligently" look to their manner of living (holiness), will receive the Lord's chastisement & fall short (fail) of God's Grace.
I seem to see a difference here: one where salvation is never possessed because of trusting in the Law, and the other, where salvation is undermined, not enjoying the fullness of God's Grace, receiving chastisement. The Hebrews writer goes on to write about Esau (v16) who relinquished his birthright (akin to a sinner rejecting God's Offer of salvation meant to be received & enjoyed by all, having lost all hope). He then introduces Moses ("him that spake on Earth" v25): if the Israelite disobeyed Moses' warnings, punishment of death ensued. And then to Jesus, the Mediator of the New Covenant (v24): how much more shall we not escape if we turn away from Him.
In all these warnings, chastisement of the believer is God's Rod to bring the erring child back into line. But as those who refused to obey Moses under the Law & those who turn away from obeying Jesus under Grace, an untimely death will follow if warnings are not heeded. Some see the "shall we not escape" (v25), indicating that salvation would be lost if we turn away from Christ (as in Esau's rejection), but my question: is the matter of salvation spoken of here, or, the matter of death (as those so judged under Moses)? Does the believer lose his salvation or is he first chastised, even to loss of life, if he refuses to listen (he turns away - his ears/heart) from Jesus? An interesting passage; trying to marry up all the verses associated with it from verses 5 to 25.
Good topic, perhaps it would be best to create a new thread on this since this one that Adam began was very specific about the Deity of Jesus specifically to those who do not believe our Lord was God. It seems the thread got a bit tangential in places. And perhaps it is best as Who Do You Say That I AM speaks, to allow this thread to be responded to by those who do not believe Jesus is God. Maybe so or maybe not. But I want to be sensitive to others here as this seems to be a topic that elicits lots of emotional responses. I would like to see a thread on the topic of your post though. I would like to read what others have to say about this.
Have a good evening, Steven. Talk to you tomorrow, maybe.
The bible uses the four winds to represent the totality of the wind (created in Gen. 3) from the four corners of the firmament of heaven above the earth. It was written by the Lord's prophets in this manner because at the time of the book's writing everyone still viewed the Earth as flat, and therefore would not yet comprehend the wind as being the result of a spinning globe and the shifting weather conditions caused by varying exposure to the sun constantly. The scripture was written this way so our understanding of the Word remained logical and infallible, even as our knowledge and understanding of science grew. What a glorious book the Bible is, the more you immerse yourself in it; the more wonderful it becomes as you notice all the tiny details that have made it an enduring book of hope and joy for all generations.
In reading your last reply to me I went back and reread the thread and I do not see that anyone responded to Grae by countering his post before he lamented about being "barracked" by those who do not share his view. But from that response by Grae, he received a few responses from others speaking to his post to Adam (not me). Then Grae countered back.
I do not think that Adam's request necessarily excluded others from responding to those who responded to Adam. That was not stated by Adam.
I appreciate that Grae and others have explained their viewpoint on this thread. But I do not think it is healthy for the "congregation" on this site to just speak one's point of view and verbalize that one is not open to responses or discussion. That is why we respond to others. We care about one another and want to press on for the truth especially concerning key essential beliefs as Chris has named.
Thank you for responding to me. I appreciate the conversations we can have on this site and am blessed daily as I participate. I hope that you will also be equally as blessed as I am.
A pastor had his leg imputed and a sister told him : I speak healing to your body in Jesus name.:. He told her God is the only that can speak into existence. I believe what Jesus said. We believe we will do greater things then him And what about Mark 11:22-24 ?
I agree that both Adam and Grae did not want to discuss this topic beyond what they posted. I think that they had different reasons for desiring this lack of discussion, but I truly cannot know what is in anyone's mind and heart. I would love to hear their individual explanations.
I also agree, that as this is the discussion page on this site, posting on this page, responses should be expected and I would say welcome, but not everyone wants such responses.
For me, I have learned so much from participating in discourse on this site. I have found new ways to think and discuss the tenets of our faith as well as have been challenged by the views that differ from my to go back to the Scriptures and verify if they or I have interpreted it correctly or even if the Scripture even says what I or those who do not share the same point of view say the Scriptures say in the context of the verse within the chapter or account. Also, these discussion bring up questions or prompt me to investigate a topic or doctrine further by researching reputable sites to review view points. So, all of this has enriched me in my faith and knowledge of the triune God, the salvation we have in our Lord, Jesus Christ, the deepening of my relationship with our Savior, Jesus, and our Heavenly Father through the working of the Holy Spirit who lives within me.
Acts 19:4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that THEY should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
John was preparing the way for Israel.
Israel trusted in the promise to Abraham made them children of Abraham because the Kinsman of the flesh. The repentance John preached was to turn them from that and turn them to Christ. "FROM UNBELIEF TO BELIEF."
Note: Matthew 3:9-11 And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.
And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:
In Jeremiah 15:19 God is telling Jeremiah that he will return him, even that Jeremiah would speak the Lord's word to the people; as long as the people returned to God's word through Jeremiah, instead of Jeremiah abandoning the word of God to be accepted by his people.
I believe that the truth of Jesus Christ is that He is both God and Man in one Person, so the truth of who He truly is involves a human nature with a body (which He still has in heaven-He rose bodily and ascended to heaven bodily). A person is not a human without a body, soul, and spirit. The truth of Jesus also involves His Deity as the eternal Son of God whom the Father sent to become human, God in human flesh. The Son of God existed eternally with the Father prior to the Incarnation. See John chapter 1 and Micah 5:2 and Isaiah 90:2. He did not cease to be God when He was incarnated since God cannot ever cease to exist, rather He added humanity to His divinity, possessing two natures (human and divine) in one person.
The humanity of Jesus Christ, Son of God, had a beginning at conception, but His Deity is eternal, from everlasting to everlasting, just as the Father is eternal in the same way. Just as the Spirit is in the same way. I believe that Jesus Christ, the son of God and the Son of Man was 100% human equally 100% God, that in him are two natures that are not mixed to form a third type of nature. These two natures are distinct, yet unified in Him.
I believe that Jesus as the God/Man is the perfect Person to bring us to God, the Father, the perfect mediator between God and Man. A human being, even if perfect, could never bring Himself to God let alone anyone else, only God can effect this communion between Himself and His creatures. And only a human who lives a perfect life can be the spotless sacrifice for the sins of the world. And also, only God can be the priceless sacrifice that can take on the sins of the whole world and the fullness of God's wrath for sin as well as forgive sins. So, Jesus, as our Savior is God and man and only in such a way is He fully able to wrought salvation for all who believe in Him in Spirit and in Truth.
This is most certainly what I believe along with millions upon millions of Christians before me.
Yes, my point exactly and that's what he did and perhaps it would have been interesting if only those people he solicited a response from would have been the ones to respond. After all, that is what he asked for so this whole thread should have been between him and those he specifically asked to respond. He didn't ask for those of us that do share his belief to respond. But what happened? Adam asks the question, a person that is supposed to respond does, and then others that are in agreement with Adam counter the person Adam was seeking out when it should have been him responding. Perhaps you disagree and that's okay.
I do understand the open forum thing but I also have to respect his request on who he wanted responses from. Again, I am on his side in his belief on who Jesus is, and I'm sure you are also.
Hello David. The definition of 'Doctrine'? I understand it as, 'a body or system of teachings relating to a particular subject'. So, when we have a myriad of doctrines (body of teachings) found in the Bible (of God, Christ, Holy Spirit, Salvation, Future things, etc.), these doctrines have been developed as a result of all that Scripture has revealed to us. The problem then arises as to how those Scriptures are to be interpreted, understood, & applied - hence our many Church denominations. On this medium (KJBO), we may never get to the level of examining all the intricacies of Scripture & the times of their writing, but we should at least be prepared to discuss what is given to us, whether in agreement or not, & in line with the correct exposition of supporting Scriptures.
So, when you write, "what separated the doctrine of Jesus christ were the signs miracles, etc, that Gods power worked in and through Him". This is correct - I believe, in part. Certainly, the Life & Ministry of Jesus was filled with parables expressing Kingdom Life, His miracles & words that even confounded & angered His opponents, but if we restrict the Doctrine of Christ to only that, then we've failed to fully express (as is revealed to us), the full Person of Jesus.
Most of us would readily agree to certain parts of that Doctrine (i.e. His Humanity, His Sinlessness, His Ministry on Earth, His Death, Resurrection, Ascension, & His present Heavenly Ministry), but when it comes to His pre-existence, His Deity, & His Kenosis (self-emptying), we run into divergent beliefs. Some believe this is either unimportant or unbiblical; unworthy of consideration. Others, as myself, believe that this part of the Doctrine is vital to knowing Jesus, the great worth of His Death, the power of His Resurrection, & the praise that belongs to Him in Heaven & on Earth. Therefore, the need to discuss these things is vital to progress to a correct understanding of Jesus & the great cost of our salvation. Blessings.
Matthew 24:31 tells us that when He does come, He shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet.
I'll share some technical points with you just to show you how good this passage is:
He is going to send His angels out with a great sound of a Shofar. It's a ram's horn.
In the Greek text, the word "sound" is in brackets, which means it has been added to the text by some unseen person who doesn't understand the fact that the word "great" modifies the trumpet. It is called a great Shofar.
The prophecy is found in Isaiah 27:12-13.
It says the great Shofar will blow, and the Lord will gather His people from the four corners of the earth. So that is very important because that's a prophecy that the Jews looked for.
It says He is going to gather them together, his elect, and that would be the Jews, from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other, north, south, east, and west.
Understood. I just thought that Adam posed the question and was going to step back and listen to the viewpoints of those he was soliciting a response from.
Gigi, I will take your advice and go through some of these pages to read the discussions. You may be correct in that had I done that first, this discussion would have made more sense and maybe had I done that first, I would have kept out of here. But then again, reading Adam's opening statement would have caused me not to respond anyway because I believe the same as he does concerning who Jesus is (God), and he was specifically looking for responses that disagreed with his belief. Again, I am not attacking him because I think we believe the same concerning Jesus. And I am sure he meant no harm. Please know that I am neither attacking or defending anyone here. I just thought it odd for someone to post a question and then not engage in further discussion. And someone here did seem to get very upset. I will go and look for those verses you speak of. God bless you and you have a great evening!
What percentage of the Father or Mary makes up the Christ.
1 Corinthians 15:28.
And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, THAT GOD MAY BE ALL IN ALL.
I appreciated your comments on this GiGi, in reply to WDMSTIAm. I do agree with him/her, in that neither Adam nor Grae wanted to discuss the matter further (with Adam just wishing to garner responses to his post).
Yet, for two clear reasons, no-one can not expect some response: this is the very nature of this Site & particularly this Page, and the very nature of our Textbook demands that Truth be shared & error exposed. Some may not find this important but I feel that if the apostles exposed false teachers & their errors to keep the fledgling Church on a straight course, we too must be duty-bound to do so as well. And the only way for us to do this is by bringing out pertinent Scripture & engaging in wholesome Spirit-led discussion. The evils of gnosticism & docetism was prevalent then, invading the Church & corrupting the Word & sadly it's still very much evident today.
Will end this here as my passion for defending the Person of Jesus Christ & God's great Sacrifice in the offering up of Himself as the only true measure of that Love, will extend this submission to a much greater length. Thank you for your stand for the Truth dear sister.
I'm not sure but those in Gen 6 may be this group.
And the angels which kept not their first estate, but LEFT THEIR OWN HABITATION, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. Jude 1:6.
LEFT THEIR OWN HABITATION,
I believe that means they sort of disrobed sort of speak or lost their position and perhaps some of the supernatural ability.
" Like disappearing and reappearing
I'm not sure, but I don't believe we have baby Angels running around disappearing.
But who knows, some say one day we're going to have a baby Holy Ghost. Maybe it's one of them.
Beautiful! Thanks for sharing your personal experience! Thank you for trusting us with that. Several people have unique visions & experiences. Please pray for wisdom & understanding, if that's what your seeking. James 1:5,6,7,
It seems though, you said "smiling" was it comforting to you? Encouraging?
Here's another scripture if you feel warning: Matthew 18:10, in context Matthew 18,
Nehemiah 13:19, There's many more scriptures, hopefully you'll find them all helpful
Jesus observed the Sabbath & fulfilling the Sacrifice: Luke 23:17,54,55,56, John 19:31, Acts 13:27, Matthew 28:1, Mark 6:2, Mark 16:1, Matthew 8:17, Luke 4:21, Acts 13,
If you have been reading this site for the past few weeks, you would know that this topic was discussed very thoroughly be people posting on both sides of this issue. Adam (and others) posted lengthy Scriptural references that supported his view of the deity of Jesus. Those who thought the other way zipped right past the Scripture references Adam and others posted to post the Scripture that supported their view that Jesus was not God. When Adam (and others ) asks these posters who believed that Jesus was not God to speak to the Scriptures Adam and others posted to support the deity of Jesus, none of the posters spoke to these Scriptures. So this is most likely why Adam asked the question as he did. He was giving those who deny the deity of Christ the invitation to make their case without any rebuttal from himself, since he had already posted rebuttals already in the thread of the previous discussion. I do not think that Adam had any nefarious reasons to ask this question.
As for Grae, he often posts his beliefs and states that he does not want to have a discussion or debate on the topic and asks that people do not post replies back to him if they were to counter his belief. I will say that Grae is free to request this when he posts. He has his reasons for posting as he does.
I think it is very good to have serious discourse about biblical topics and that the discourse should be focused on the topic and Scriptural reasoning avoiding personal insults, attacks on one's character, or questioning of one's faith or standing before God.
I do think that it is fair to label another's belief as unorthodox or false or heretical if it has been historically viewed as such. I do think that we can follow through with a discourse and in the end state that we stand firm in our belief and the other person is free to do so also and to admit that the discourse appears to have come to an end as each person has thoroughly presented their view in a non-hostile way.
His father revealed to Peter that he was God's son.
Many cannot see the fields neither can they know the time.
Fore
He who is coming, is the harvest,
We have been sent to declare these things unto you! We who have been given the power to declare these things too you! These things that kings wish to see!
This word has been spoken to those in the other land as these have been spoken unto you ,they should have repented long ago.
They neither repented nor will you?
These are the words of God.
Except the Lord Jesus Christ today, while it is day
Repent and be Baptized
.....But the Wheat is he that is always Holy and always righteous always just ...But the Tares is he that is always filthy always Unjust ....Always in a warfare with the Wheat...And they grow with in us till the Harvest....The marriage of the lamb right here on this earth....The Tare remains filthy and the Wheat remains Holy....till Jesus sends his Reapers to gather the Tares in bundles and burn them but the Wheat are the Sons of God....The Children of PROMISE...An Israel of God...That are gathered to his barn his Kingdom for the marriage of the lamb.
......He that is unjust let him be unjust still...He that is filthy let him be filthy still....Thats the Tares with in us .....But he that is righteous let him be righteouns still ...He that is Holy let him be Holy still....Thats the Wheat, With in us ...The H.G. THE Children of PROMISE....Our new innerman,our new heart and new spirit.
.....Thats y Bro. Paul was saying with my mind i serve the law of God but with my flesh ( the Tare ) i serve the law of sin....Paul had become 2 ppl....1 Holy the wheat but 1 filthy the tare....O Wretched man that i am.
This is the Judgement right here on this earth....I saw mighty angel proclaiming...The Kingdoms of THIS WORLD have become the kingdoms of our Lord and his Christ.
I seem to see a difference here: one where salvation is never possessed because of trusting in the Law, and the other, where salvation is undermined, not enjoying the fullness of God's Grace, receiving chastisement. The Hebrews writer goes on to write about Esau (v16) who relinquished his birthright (akin to a sinner rejecting God's Offer of salvation meant to be received & enjoyed by all, having lost all hope). He then introduces Moses ("him that spake on Earth" v25): if the Israelite disobeyed Moses' warnings, punishment of death ensued. And then to Jesus, the Mediator of the New Covenant (v24): how much more shall we not escape if we turn away from Him.
In all these warnings, chastisement of the believer is God's Rod to bring the erring child back into line. But as those who refused to obey Moses under the Law & those who turn away from obeying Jesus under Grace, an untimely death will follow if warnings are not heeded. Some see the "shall we not escape" (v25), indicating that salvation would be lost if we turn away from Christ (as in Esau's rejection), but my question: is the matter of salvation spoken of here, or, the matter of death (as those so judged under Moses)? Does the believer lose his salvation or is he first chastised, even to loss of life, if he refuses to listen (he turns away - his ears/heart) from Jesus? An interesting passage; trying to marry up all the verses associated with it from verses 5 to 25.
Good topic, perhaps it would be best to create a new thread on this since this one that Adam began was very specific about the Deity of Jesus specifically to those who do not believe our Lord was God. It seems the thread got a bit tangential in places. And perhaps it is best as Who Do You Say That I AM speaks, to allow this thread to be responded to by those who do not believe Jesus is God. Maybe so or maybe not. But I want to be sensitive to others here as this seems to be a topic that elicits lots of emotional responses. I would like to see a thread on the topic of your post though. I would like to read what others have to say about this.
Have a good evening, Steven. Talk to you tomorrow, maybe.
In reading your last reply to me I went back and reread the thread and I do not see that anyone responded to Grae by countering his post before he lamented about being "barracked" by those who do not share his view. But from that response by Grae, he received a few responses from others speaking to his post to Adam (not me). Then Grae countered back.
I do not think that Adam's request necessarily excluded others from responding to those who responded to Adam. That was not stated by Adam.
I appreciate that Grae and others have explained their viewpoint on this thread. But I do not think it is healthy for the "congregation" on this site to just speak one's point of view and verbalize that one is not open to responses or discussion. That is why we respond to others. We care about one another and want to press on for the truth especially concerning key essential beliefs as Chris has named.
Thank you for responding to me. I appreciate the conversations we can have on this site and am blessed daily as I participate. I hope that you will also be equally as blessed as I am.
My prayers goes out to you and the family.
May the Lord comfort you.
I agree that both Adam and Grae did not want to discuss this topic beyond what they posted. I think that they had different reasons for desiring this lack of discussion, but I truly cannot know what is in anyone's mind and heart. I would love to hear their individual explanations.
I also agree, that as this is the discussion page on this site, posting on this page, responses should be expected and I would say welcome, but not everyone wants such responses.
For me, I have learned so much from participating in discourse on this site. I have found new ways to think and discuss the tenets of our faith as well as have been challenged by the views that differ from my to go back to the Scriptures and verify if they or I have interpreted it correctly or even if the Scripture even says what I or those who do not share the same point of view say the Scriptures say in the context of the verse within the chapter or account. Also, these discussion bring up questions or prompt me to investigate a topic or doctrine further by researching reputable sites to review view points. So, all of this has enriched me in my faith and knowledge of the triune God, the salvation we have in our Lord, Jesus Christ, the deepening of my relationship with our Savior, Jesus, and our Heavenly Father through the working of the Holy Spirit who lives within me.
What a marvelous journey!
John baptism was the baptism of repentance.
Acts 19:4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that THEY should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
John was preparing the way for Israel.
Israel trusted in the promise to Abraham made them children of Abraham because the Kinsman of the flesh. The repentance John preached was to turn them from that and turn them to Christ. "FROM UNBELIEF TO BELIEF."
Note: Matthew 3:9-11 And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.
And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:
God bless.
I believe that the truth of Jesus Christ is that He is both God and Man in one Person, so the truth of who He truly is involves a human nature with a body (which He still has in heaven-He rose bodily and ascended to heaven bodily). A person is not a human without a body, soul, and spirit. The truth of Jesus also involves His Deity as the eternal Son of God whom the Father sent to become human, God in human flesh. The Son of God existed eternally with the Father prior to the Incarnation. See John chapter 1 and Micah 5:2 and Isaiah 90:2. He did not cease to be God when He was incarnated since God cannot ever cease to exist, rather He added humanity to His divinity, possessing two natures (human and divine) in one person.
The humanity of Jesus Christ, Son of God, had a beginning at conception, but His Deity is eternal, from everlasting to everlasting, just as the Father is eternal in the same way. Just as the Spirit is in the same way. I believe that Jesus Christ, the son of God and the Son of Man was 100% human equally 100% God, that in him are two natures that are not mixed to form a third type of nature. These two natures are distinct, yet unified in Him.
I believe that Jesus as the God/Man is the perfect Person to bring us to God, the Father, the perfect mediator between God and Man. A human being, even if perfect, could never bring Himself to God let alone anyone else, only God can effect this communion between Himself and His creatures. And only a human who lives a perfect life can be the spotless sacrifice for the sins of the world. And also, only God can be the priceless sacrifice that can take on the sins of the whole world and the fullness of God's wrath for sin as well as forgive sins. So, Jesus, as our Savior is God and man and only in such a way is He fully able to wrought salvation for all who believe in Him in Spirit and in Truth.
This is most certainly what I believe along with millions upon millions of Christians before me.
I do understand the open forum thing but I also have to respect his request on who he wanted responses from. Again, I am on his side in his belief on who Jesus is, and I'm sure you are also.
So, when you write, "what separated the doctrine of Jesus christ were the signs miracles, etc, that Gods power worked in and through Him". This is correct - I believe, in part. Certainly, the Life & Ministry of Jesus was filled with parables expressing Kingdom Life, His miracles & words that even confounded & angered His opponents, but if we restrict the Doctrine of Christ to only that, then we've failed to fully express (as is revealed to us), the full Person of Jesus.
Most of us would readily agree to certain parts of that Doctrine (i.e. His Humanity, His Sinlessness, His Ministry on Earth, His Death, Resurrection, Ascension, & His present Heavenly Ministry), but when it comes to His pre-existence, His Deity, & His Kenosis (self-emptying), we run into divergent beliefs. Some believe this is either unimportant or unbiblical; unworthy of consideration. Others, as myself, believe that this part of the Doctrine is vital to knowing Jesus, the great worth of His Death, the power of His Resurrection, & the praise that belongs to Him in Heaven & on Earth. Therefore, the need to discuss these things is vital to progress to a correct understanding of Jesus & the great cost of our salvation. Blessings.
Matthew 24:31 tells us that when He does come, He shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet.
I'll share some technical points with you just to show you how good this passage is:
He is going to send His angels out with a great sound of a Shofar. It's a ram's horn.
In the Greek text, the word "sound" is in brackets, which means it has been added to the text by some unseen person who doesn't understand the fact that the word "great" modifies the trumpet. It is called a great Shofar.
The prophecy is found in Isaiah 27:12-13.
It says the great Shofar will blow, and the Lord will gather His people from the four corners of the earth. So that is very important because that's a prophecy that the Jews looked for.
It says He is going to gather them together, his elect, and that would be the Jews, from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other, north, south, east, and west.
Understood. I just thought that Adam posed the question and was going to step back and listen to the viewpoints of those he was soliciting a response from.
The specifics of your question are found in verses 24-29.
What percentage of the Father or Mary makes up the Christ.
1 Corinthians 15:28.
And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, THAT GOD MAY BE ALL IN ALL.
God bless.
Yet, for two clear reasons, no-one can not expect some response: this is the very nature of this Site & particularly this Page, and the very nature of our Textbook demands that Truth be shared & error exposed. Some may not find this important but I feel that if the apostles exposed false teachers & their errors to keep the fledgling Church on a straight course, we too must be duty-bound to do so as well. And the only way for us to do this is by bringing out pertinent Scripture & engaging in wholesome Spirit-led discussion. The evils of gnosticism & docetism was prevalent then, invading the Church & corrupting the Word & sadly it's still very much evident today.
Will end this here as my passion for defending the Person of Jesus Christ & God's great Sacrifice in the offering up of Himself as the only true measure of that Love, will extend this submission to a much greater length. Thank you for your stand for the Truth dear sister.
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That's true you're right.
I believe in Angels, I also believe in demons.
I'm not sure but those in Gen 6 may be this group.
And the angels which kept not their first estate, but LEFT THEIR OWN HABITATION, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. Jude 1:6.
LEFT THEIR OWN HABITATION,
I believe that means they sort of disrobed sort of speak or lost their position and perhaps some of the supernatural ability.
" Like disappearing and reappearing
I'm not sure, but I don't believe we have baby Angels running around disappearing.
But who knows, some say one day we're going to have a baby Holy Ghost. Maybe it's one of them.
of course I'm kidding.
God bless.
Beautiful! Thanks for sharing your personal experience! Thank you for trusting us with that. Several people have unique visions & experiences. Please pray for wisdom & understanding, if that's what your seeking. James 1:5,6,7,
It seems though, you said "smiling" was it comforting to you? Encouraging?
Here's another scripture if you feel warning: Matthew 18:10, in context Matthew 18,
Hopefully these are helpful
Nehemiah 13:19, There's many more scriptures, hopefully you'll find them all helpful
Jesus observed the Sabbath & fulfilling the Sacrifice: Luke 23:17,54,55,56, John 19:31, Acts 13:27, Matthew 28:1, Mark 6:2, Mark 16:1, Matthew 8:17, Luke 4:21, Acts 13,
Matthew 12:8,
If you have been reading this site for the past few weeks, you would know that this topic was discussed very thoroughly be people posting on both sides of this issue. Adam (and others) posted lengthy Scriptural references that supported his view of the deity of Jesus. Those who thought the other way zipped right past the Scripture references Adam and others posted to post the Scripture that supported their view that Jesus was not God. When Adam (and others ) asks these posters who believed that Jesus was not God to speak to the Scriptures Adam and others posted to support the deity of Jesus, none of the posters spoke to these Scriptures. So this is most likely why Adam asked the question as he did. He was giving those who deny the deity of Christ the invitation to make their case without any rebuttal from himself, since he had already posted rebuttals already in the thread of the previous discussion. I do not think that Adam had any nefarious reasons to ask this question.
As for Grae, he often posts his beliefs and states that he does not want to have a discussion or debate on the topic and asks that people do not post replies back to him if they were to counter his belief. I will say that Grae is free to request this when he posts. He has his reasons for posting as he does.
I think it is very good to have serious discourse about biblical topics and that the discourse should be focused on the topic and Scriptural reasoning avoiding personal insults, attacks on one's character, or questioning of one's faith or standing before God.
I do think that it is fair to label another's belief as unorthodox or false or heretical if it has been historically viewed as such. I do think that we can follow through with a discourse and in the end state that we stand firm in our belief and the other person is free to do so also and to admit that the discourse appears to have come to an end as each person has thoroughly presented their view in a non-hostile way.