Bible Discussion PAGE 51

  • Mishael On Romans 11 on Revelation 14
    I wish we could come to some kind of truce about how much trouble Israel has heaped upon themselves for allowing Jesus to be crucified?

    It was PROPHESY. It all happened as the Godhead Wrote it. Through Jesus's suffering He set the new Covenant in motion until the mystery be completed: until the fullness of the Gentiles.

    Romans 11:11 ...have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather..through their fall...salvation is come unto the Gentiles (WHY?) for to provoke them (the JEWS) to jealousy.

    For if the casting away from them be THE RECONCILING of the WORLD...what shall be the the RECEIVING of them be...but life from the dead?

    Verse 26: And so ALL Israel SHALL BE SAVED

    Verse 27: For this is MY COVENANT unto them (Israel) , WHEN I shall take away their sins.

    Verse 28: As concerning the gospel (birth, life, death, resurrection of Jesus) They are enemies (now) FOR YOUR SAKES (us).

    BUT as touching the election, they are BELOVED for the fathers sakes (plural) Deuteronomy 9:5.

    They're OUT now and we are IN. God did that all by Himself. Didn't need any of us to debate the soundness of His Decision. Why indeed should any of us Gentiles shed a tear for 6 million Jews who were murdered? Well, they were on the outs so it's ok?

    Is there anybody who will stop a minute and pray a prayer God asked us to do?

    Psalms 122:6, 121:4, 125:5

    Pray for the peace of Jerusalem (not a suggestion)

    God is not willing that any of us perish but that we'd all come to repentance: which means to turn around and walk away from what's holding us back. Backsliding simply means to stand still and go nowhere.

    Forgive me for saying this, but there are people coming in here who need help.

    Titus 3:9 But avoid foolish questions, genealogies, and contentions and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.

    God show us your heart always, and to esteem others with meekness and friendship.
  • Patrick Caroleo - in Reply on Zechariah 9:13
    Amen we spoken
  • Patrick Caroleo - in Reply on Psalms 91
    God is spirit
  • Mishael To Luis - in Reply on 1 Corinthians 7:15
    To Luis:

    You need to stay in 1 Corinthians chapter 7; read it slow; take some notes to keep it straight.

    My comment is that children suffer the MOST when parents get their relationships in a knot.

    Genesis 2:23-24 is the first marriage in creation. It's supposed to be a covenant. The two become one.

    God barely tolerates divorce; only for adultery. If I understood right you have left the wife of your youth? Do you have children with her?

    My best advise is to go to a Christian pastor or counselor, with your legal wife and try to see if you have enough between you to continue.

    The 2nd woman, unfortunately, doesn't get to participate in the counseling.

    Try to consider three people who are being harmed by this. I know if you ask the Lord to help you set it right, He will help you.

    Spend a little time in 1 Corinthians 13, the love chapter. My Bible says charity which is the same word, love. Don't walk away from God over this. God is Love. Walk toward Him.
  • Adam - in Reply on 1 Corinthians 5:11
    I agree! Most parables were warning people about hell and to not be complacent. Jesus said if u love me keep my commandments. Sad how people assume grace gets them off the hook for avoiding sin.
  • Chris - in Reply on 1 Corinthians 7:15
    Luis. That's an awful relationship situation you present. It's difficult to comment as this man has supposedly become a 'Christian' & still wants to behave like a non-Christian & leave a trail of tragedies around him. Some Christians believe that there is still opportunity for him to get himself right with God through repentance, even though he wants to remarry while being a 'Christian'!; others believe, there is no more hope as he would "put Christ to an open shame" (Hebrews 6:6).

    Well, I can't see that he ever converted in the first place (but God is his Judge & sees the condition of his heart, not me). So whatever he decides to do will be sin & until he comes to the foot of the Cross in true conviction of his many sins, there is no salvation for him. So your question: what should he do? Well, salvation through Jesus is his only hope & he stays with his second wife, without adding sin upon sin, but if he wants to maintain this lifestyle of having multiple wives (as God doesn't recognize divorce), then he is free to do whatever he wants, as those who conduct themselves as non-Christians, without the knowledge of God & His Word.
  • Betty Bledsoe on 1 Corinthians 5:11
    love the teaching,but one thing I see wrong with todays' church , there is almost no teaching on the wrath of God, only the Lord or God loves you.yes God loves us all,but no matter how much God loves us, it will not keep us from going to hell.I seldom here teachers or pastors say you must repent,change your evil ways,separate yourself from the world,ect..I think if bible teachers and pastors would teach the whole word of God,then there would not be homos and so called christians in the church.they would either get saved or leave. most people want Christ to be their savior ,but they don't want him to be their Lord.
  • Mishael on Revelation 14
    Only the Father knows the day of the Rapture.

    When is the fullness of the Gentiles complete? Romans 11:25-36

    Matthew 24:36, 42, 44

    Mark 13:32

    Acts 1:11

    And now a reminder: Ecclesiastes 12:9-14
  • Darrien Dill on Psalms 91:2
    What does 2 Esdras 2:18 mean about twelve trees
  • Chris - in Reply on Revelation 14
    Carlos, just a quick follow up on my comment: I just saw your comment to Bethany, re: 1 Tim 2:12, so I can appreciate maybe the "control over others" issue you raised. I won't comment on that other one to Bethany here, as it will make this thread ambiguous, nor will I comment on it over there, but I'm sure it will appear in this thread in due course.
  • Chris - in Reply on Revelation 14
    Carlos, I heartily agree with your comments brother (as I usually do, though squeezing in some subtle reservations, if I may!). So here we go: I realize that there will always be those who seek to bring believers back into bondage to sets of rules which are unnecessary, unbiblical & burdensome; and these are enforced to bring its adherents into a position of bondage, clothed in the garb of Scriptural mandate & "being of one mind & belief". Sometimes, such rules are not altogether wrong, but if they produce exclusivity & alienation from other 'believers', which again is not in God's Plan, then we must be warned.

    However, you do not specify in what ways some are using "the Bible as a Book of Rules through which to control people". I know the matters of Church conduct, whether in dress, speech, usage of spiritual Gifts, etc. have come up here & I certainly have shared in some of them, but as much as I believe that these topics are not dealt with, either within the Word or amongst believers, in an authoritarian manner, I suspect that some might find a strict adherence to such matters concerning & not in line with the freedom we have in Christ. In my input in this Discussion space, I always ensure that my comments are biblically based (with references where needed), & so it is then a matter of correct 'dividing of the Word' that comes to the fore. Yet, there can still be room for objection in this, & I think that is where the matter lies: is one being too legalistic or judgemental by stating the facts laid out in Scripture? Or, at which point does the biblical mandate become open to more relaxed/liberal views? And then, who decides on this point, or do we leave the matter open-ended & a sense of a 'do what you feel is best for you'. And a further point: should we have a swipe at the apostles, who in the main, have so directed us?

    Anyway, just a few thoughts that come to mind; & these of course, may well be off the mark to your purpose in writing.
  • Shannon - in Reply on Genesis 1:27
    I was watching utube videos on bible studies. I literally typed bible studies. The video mentioned a book that is very old athour very well know. Inferno.He did say that people have threw time claimed facts as being from the bible which were actually from inferno. But he brought up some facts about the bible and lilith and then he told her history and i got very confused on what was fact.

    Thank you for your response!
  • Kevin Mack on Psalms 23:1
    Always a good solid prayer, I like to included the Lord's prayer along with it seems like it should be that way. Add Psalms 70 for good measure.
  • Bob Hilt - in Reply on Matthew 24:29
    Paul in 1 Corinthians 15:52 - In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the LAST TRUMP: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

    We are changed at the LAST TRUMP and where is this found?

    In REVELATION, the LAST BOOK of the Bible there are 7 trumps and the 7th trump is the LAST ONE and is at the end of the tribulation. there is not a 7th last trump prior to the tribulation. If you find it let me know.

    Why is when the rapture / resurrection a hotly contested thing? It was not even debated until 200 years ago. Look into the lives of those who promoted this doctrine, like C.I. Scofield and you might consider this very suspect. Jesus said by their fruit ye shall know them.

    Jesus tells us plainly in Matthew 13:24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:

    25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed (weeds) tares among the wheat, and went his way.

    26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.

    27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?

    28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?

    29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.

    30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together FIRST first the TARES (WEEDS) and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn. (first the tares WEEDS get gathered, then wheat last) could it be any more plain than this?

    Jesse no one believed in pre trib until 1830 AD believe what you wish but it makes a difference. I would love to be wrong, but I doubt it. Question: How many million Christian died in communism the last 100 years?
  • Adam - in Reply on 1 Corinthians 7:15
    Hello, divorce is a sin. Matthew 5:32. Please read the whole chapter to see what God thinks about divorce. There's only few exceptions such as if your wife betrayed your vows and cheated on you. May God bless you and your decisions.
  • Jesse - in Reply on Matthew 24:29
    Bob,

    I believe in a pre-tribulation rapture of the church, and I have never once made the claim that there is a second phase of the first resurrection listed in Revelation 20:4-6. Did someone tell you that? There is only one rapture of the church and it is mentioned in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-17, and it takes place prior to the 7 year tribulation period. That is my understanding, and not just mine, but many others.

    If you want to believe you will go through God's wrath during the tribulation period, if it happens during our lifetime, I don't have a problem with that. Really, I don't. I don't know why it would bother you that I believe in a pre-trib rapture? From my understanding in 1 Thessalonians 5:9, God has not appointed us believers unto wrath, so I do not believe that God is going to pour His judgment out on any believer.

    Again, if you believe you're going to be there when His wrath is being poured out, I don't have an issue with that. If I may ask, since you do not believe in a pre-tribulation rapture of the church, are you mid-trib, or post-trib? I'm sorry, but I can't agree with what you are saying. And I hope you are not accusing me of adding to the bible. You are also in disagreement with me, but I would never make such an accusation against anyone for simply disagreeing with my understanding.
  • Bob - in Reply on James 2
    Yes we are to do what the word of God instructs is to do .

    But first we must realize that not doing it is sin .

    So we repent and ask the Lord to empower us to do it by His spirit .

    The first step is why are we not doing it ?

    The Lord will help us do it , ask Him for wisdom .

    The hardest part is owning up to the reality we are not doing , and can't without His Spirit .

    When truly repentant in a matter or salvation , we then will be able to be led by the Holy Spirit and enjoy our obedience . I hope this helps .
  • Chris - in Reply on Psalms 5
    Amen and Amen. Though, I understand that in the Millenium period, Jesus Christ will rule, but in the New Jerusalem, prepared and coming down from Heaven, God will reign with His people: "Behold, the Tabernacle of God is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people, and God Himself shall be with them, and be their God". (Revelation 21:3).
  • Question: If a man is living with a women and has a child with that women, then leaves this 1st women for another, Then decides to marry 2nd women, and he becomes a Christian. No he wants to return to the 1st. Also wanting to divorce the 2nd women his present wife. What can he do? or what must he do?
  • Chris - in Reply on Romans 13:4
    Emil, a definite NO: Hitler can NEVER be referred to as God's Minister. If for nothing else, he did everything that was opposed to the Bible & the Message of Love & Compassion that were Jesus' foundational teaching. I think you may have heard something that has made you wonder about Hitler's religious stance, rather than your personal belief. I truly hope it's not your belief.

    From a religious viewpoint, you're correct, he was raised a Roman Catholic & received its rites, though always in conflict with its teachings, indeed of Christianity itself. Hitler, was essentially a megalomaniac (one who is mentally ill resulting in delusions of greatness about himself; & we likely have some around us now!) & a Gnostic, who, in one of its beliefs, considers one's own knowledge & mental prowess, to be above virtue & godliness. If anything, he was AN anti-Christ, of whom some in his day, even considered him to be THE one, but as Mickey has well described him: he is "like a choir boy compared to what the Antichrist has planned for the world". An apt description, as if a German (or an ally) was obedient & subservient to the Nazi philosophy & rules, then he got on okay; just as in the day of The Anti-Christ, when one is fully obedient to him. If any opposed him, the results would be horrific.
  • CARLOS RAMIREZ TREVINO - in Reply on Matthew 24:29
    Bob Hilt, your observation of the two resurrections is an entirely new and logical argument for me. I had never heard it said that way. The point is well made. If it were not so, there would have to be at least, 3 resurrections. Great point! Thank you.
  • CARLOS RAMIREZ TREVINO - in Reply on Matthew 24:29
    Jesse, to take up where I left off, Daniel 7-12 gives us a good picture of who the Restrainer is in 2Thess2:6. He says it is Israel. And he also states that Israel will be defeated when Persia comes against it. And that is what was holding the full flood of destruction against the Church and the Jews. Daniel 8:24 and 12:7, "When the power of the holy people has been finally broken, all these things will be completed." Compare this to 2Thess2:6, "For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work, but the one who now restrains it will continue until he is taken out of the way." Whom does Daniel say will be shattered, destroyed and taken out of the way? The Jewish nation and the influence of the Church.

    In any case, there is no reason to believe that the Rapture takes place before the Tribulation, since 2:6 is abundantly clear. "Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and OUR BEING GATHERED TO HIM.... that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God."

    As I previously mentioned, the AntiChrist doesn't sit in the Holy of Holies to proclaim himself God until the middle of the 7 years week. Daniel 7-12 and Matthew 24 make that clear. But the Rapture is not in the middle of the week. Jesus emphasizes He will come, IMMEDIATELY AFTER the Great Tribulation Matt24:21, 29. The 7 years Tribulation begins. Three years into it, the AntiChrist crowns himself God in the Temple. "Then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now, and never shall be."

    What happens after the AntiChrist sits in the Temple? The Great Tribulation. Then what happens? Matt24, Daniel 7-12, 2 Thessalonians 2. The Gathering. The Rapture. Therefore, according to what has been said in the cited passages, when is the Rapture?
  • Bob Hilt - in Reply on Revelation 14
    Trinity is not a Bible word, but Godhead is.

    1 Thess 5:23 - And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. (Paul says spirit and soul and body)

    Isaiah 10:18 - And shall consume the glory of his forest, and of his fruitful field, both soul and body: and they shall be as when a standardbearer fainteth. (Body and Soul different)

    Matthew 10:28 - Jesus said: And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. ..........destroy both soul and body in hell.

    Isaiah 26:9 - With my soul have I desired thee in the night; yea, with my spirit within me will I seek thee early: for when thy judgments are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world will learn righteousness. (Soul and Spirit are different)

    Hebrews 4:12 - For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

    .... dividing asunder of soul and spirit, (the word of God divides the soul and spirit)

    so the Bible ALONE teaches man has a body and a soul and a spirit = 3 parts = 1 man

    Genesis 1:26 - And God said, Let US make man in our image, after OUR likeness

    Genesis 1:27 - So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

    Genesis 9:6 - Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.

    So IF one man is Body, Soul and Spirit which is 3 parts and God made man in HIS IMAGE

    How many parts is God? 3? a Godhead? or trinity?
  • Chris - in Reply on Zechariah 1
    Nella, I had a read of the whole chapter of Zechariah 1, particularly v 15, & wondered how you were looking at this verse. Do you feel that the LORD, Who is sovereign over all people & all things, only shows a great displeasure in the heathen standing against Israel, rather than doing something about it?

    In this vision (or, dream) that came to Zechariah, the main message to the prophet was that though Israel would suffer at the hands of their enemies (& mostly because of Israel's own sin & disobedience), there would be a day coming when their enemies (now at ease), will be the ones to be dealt with by the LORD (Zech chap 12). This is a wonderful book depicting how God would one day (in the last days) re-visit His people & re-vitalize them with His Spirit, beginning with His Branch (Messiah, Jesus) of which Joshua was used as a type (Zechariah 6:12). I'm sure present day Israel would be resting their hope in the surety of this prophetical book, but in grief they will see the Branch Whom they crucified coming to judge them & rule over them one day.

    So, the 'Sovereignty of God' is not in question in that verse 15, nor in other similar verses that seemingly shows God 'doing nothing about the situation'. Rather, it again shows to us of how God is concerned about His people & will allow suffering to come to them for their learning but will surely intervene at His appointed Time when He will shower them with His blessings.
  • Bob on James 1
    I find it interesting that James letter is written to the twelve tribes of Israel . Not all Israel is Israel , but the Israel of God is in Christ .

    The 12 apostles will rule over the twelve tribes in the kingdom as well . In Christ there is neither Jew or Gentile . Interesting !
  • Chris - in Reply on Jeremiah 2:16
    Angela, from research, I've learned that Noph & Tahapanes were cities in Egypt; afterwards called Memphis (for Noph) & Alcairo, or Grand Cairo (for Tahapanes). At the time of Jeremiah, these cities were allies with Israel & in whom Israel put their trust when attacked. However, something happened in this alliance & these Egyptian cities turned against Israel (it may have happened when Pharoahnecho, king of Egypt went to war against the king of Assyria, & Judah's king Josiah went to help but instead was killed & his son Jehoahaz was eventually taken captive to Egypt after being temporarily crowned. You can read it in 2 Kings 23:29-35).

    So that these Egyptian cities "have broken the crown off thy head", refers to Pharoahnecho's slaying of Judah's king & making Israel subservient to Egypt.
  • Donald Horton - in Reply on Revelation 12
    Ecclesiastes 7:1 | View whole chapter | See verse in context

    A good name is better than precious ointment; and the day of death than the day of one's birth.
  • Dayon Martin - in Reply on 1 Timothy 4:3
    Christianity has never prohibited marriage. Nor has it upheld celibacy as a "holier" approach than married sexuality.
  • Rose - in Reply on Matthew 13:22
    I hope you are doing ok Richard. God bless.
  • Rose on Matthew 13:22
    As someone who suffers from Generalized Anxiety Disorder, Social Anxiety and for 5 years suffered from Agoraphobia, I want to say that anyone, like Richard who may suffer from these disorders, are NOT what Jesus was referring to in the parable of the 4 seeds.

    Someone with anxiety disorder does not lack faith, but is entirely reliant on God even to do small things, that other people find insignificant, ie, answering the phone. Life becomes a cross to carry, that is unique, but is entirely centered on God, and is a sacrifice that is able to be offered to God.

    Richard you did not choose your anxiety, but God will help you through it.

    The anxiety Jesus was referring to, was anxiety about worldly things, ie what will I wear, eat, drink, how much money can I make, I need friends in high places, etc. These are necessities, and God promises to provide these things, so we do not need to worry about it.

    Anxiety disorders are mental illnesses that can be totally unrelated to things of this world. And just because someone is not healed or cured, doesnt show a lack of faith. Otherwise would be say all Christian's who died from cancer lacked faith? Or what about those with type 1 diabetes, should we tell them to stop taking insulin, and if they dont then they lack faith?

    2 Corinthians 12:8-10

    "Three times I appealed to the Lord about this, that it would leave me, but he said to me, "My grace is sufficient for you, for power is made perfect in weakness." So, I will boast all the more gladly of my weaknesses, so that the power of Christ may dwell in me. Therefore I am content with weaknesses, insults, hardships, persecutions, and calamities for the sake of Christ; for whenever I am weak, then I am strong."


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