Bible Discussion PAGE 50

  • H - in Reply on Romans 13:4
    Who told you that?
  • Mild Bill on Psalms 5
    What we don't see enough of is "Thy Kingdom Come". The most sure future expectation(hope),is the rule

    of God on Earth,for one thousand years.It is written and will be done,as it is God's will.The great lie of

    Satan is based on this truth,that is,namely,utopia,or,the human desire to again enter Eden.Admission to

    the Kingdom is by the grace of God only.The eternal realm begins after final human failure in the Kingdom,

    as was human failure in the garden.The Savior,the Lord Jesus, is all the glory permitted,demonstrated and

    worthy of our love.A sinful self will no longer be a part of us,hard for us to imagine as we are in this world,

    yet,the fullness of forgiveness will be our experience,as it is written.
  • CARLOS RAMIREZ TREVINO on Revelation 14
    As I read some posts in this venue, I notice many use the Bible as a Book of Rules through which to control people. Many even use it to subdue church members into a submission that robs them of the liberty we have in Christ. Some leaders even use Scripture to set up little kingdoms where they are the rulers and Popes. Congregants are even told to take everything to their pastors for approval and guidance. There are church congregations that will not allow you to be a member unless you commit to a monthly or annual membership fee.

    The Bible is not a Book of Rules. It is the message of God to humanity about what He is doing, why He is doing it and how we can know The Father and The Son in a personal way. It is the Good News about how we can become Sons of God in Christ. It is the way to Freedom from the cement block of evil, sin, death and corruption wrapped around our feet. The Bible is our way to God the Father, not to another prison of restrictive rules and fearful existence.

    The Gospel of eternal salvation and abundant life in Christ allows us to step out of the dark dungeon of repressive sinful habits that made our lives miserable, into the brightness of the liberty of knowing Jesus.

    Don't let anyone try to pull you back into a dungeon of repressive religious mandates that steal the liberty of Christ from you. That doesn't mean you can sin freely, carouse, and live as if there were no rules. There are rules of social, religious and political behavior. There must be order, decency, decorum, proper behavior. Organization is essential to every life endeavor.

    But live in the liberty of Christ. Be human! Live life as a human enjoying salvation in Christ. Don't live life trying to be as impeccable as Angels.

    The Bible is about Christ and God's Purpose Driven Creation. It is about how we can know God and the liberty with which He makes us free from oppression, repression, confusion, depression, addiction, sin and takes us to eternal perfection.
  • Carl - in Reply
    Hi Cyril.

    Thank you for sharing your burdens.

    First of all, I am happy to tell you that God wants to give you salvation! If we repent of/abandon our sins and cry out to him for forgiveness, He is just longing to do that for us.

    Secondly, He is also keenly interested in our health and sleep. Just as He wants our soul and spirit to be at rest, so He also desires to give our bodies rest as well!

    God bless.
  • Albert - in Reply on 1 Timothy 3:16
    In Ephesians 6:11 it reads: "In whom we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will. God counsel himself. The only other beings present at man's creation were angels. "Hear O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD." Deuteronomy 6:4.
  • CARLOS RAMIREZ TREVINO - in Reply on 1 Timothy 2:12
    Just to put my two cents in, was Paul addressing a specific problem that specific church was having? What was the issue? Paul himself encourages believers to listen to the teaching of the women running some congregations of the time.

    Is there too much being made by some of this particular passage? What is the history of it?

    As Christians, there is no male or female when it comes to the things of God. Throughout history God has used women in the church as Pastors, Evangelists, Deacons, Elders, Teachers.

    Do we sometimes get all tied up in something we shouldn't even be worrying about? Might it be good to keep in mind that we are living under the freedom, both spiritual and social, that we have in Christ? Did Christ save us so we could be bound to laws, regulations, procedures that limit our ability to proclaim His Gospel?

    IMO: Don't let petty, legalistic issues like that bound you up, weigh you down and bundle you up in a confusing mess of do's and don'ts. In Christ there is no male or female. The Gospel can be preached and taught and proclaimed by male, female, donkey or rock. What is important is the proclamation of Christ, not whether your dress is too short, your hair too long, your shoes too bright, your tie is tied wrong, you wear jeans and sandals, you are male, female, child or octogenarian.

    Clearly, Paul was addressing pagan customs of the time and people that were steeped in ways of doing things that might not have been beneficial to a group of Christians meeting in homes and other venues. He was establishing order in the congregations. But we are living in the 21st Century and things have, of necessity, changed. And change is OK.

    We are called to tell people about Christ, not about rules we must follow if we want to be Christians, that is, Spirit filled followers of Christ.

    I, for one, don't really understand 1 Timothy 2:12 in its entirety. And there are other things said we don't fully understand. But "I press on!".
  • Obbie Beal on Luke 1
    20 and, behold, thou shalt be dumb, and not able to speak, until the day that these things shall be performed, because thou believest not my words, which shall be fulfilled in their season.

    Note: according to the above, Time arrived for both John and JESUS to enter the world, thereby ..., ...., ..., plus 77-79 SALVATION for all mankind is about to reach all mankind..
  • Chris - in Reply on Exodus 20:4
    Shannon, I think that this verse is meant to show that God forbids the making of any graven image that represents any creature in His creation. If it does mean something specific, as you suggest, there could be some reference to Genesis 8:2: "The fountains also of the deep and the windows of heaven were stopped, and the rain from heaven was restrained". And this reference mentions that at the time of Noah's drifting on the flooded Earth, God stopped the rain & the waters that came from below the Earth.

    So, if there was some type of body of water under the Earth at that time, there may be some who believed in some 'mythical' creatures also in existence there, & which could be represented as idols on Earth. So God forbad the making of any image, whether real or imaginative. All speculation on my part, of course.
  • Chris - in Reply on Genesis 1:16
    Shannon, the moon of course is the "lesser light" in Genesis 1:16. In the old days, before astronomy progressed, the moon was probably thought of as emitting its own light. As we know, moonlight is simply the sun's light being reflected. And yes, it is still very much a light source. When I used to visit some poor villages in Pakistan to minister, they had no electricity, no lanterns or kerosene; they depended entirely on moonlight. But its amazing how well our eyes adjust to low or no light, so life goes on without complaint for those people.
  • Chris - in Reply on Genesis 1:25
    Shannon, that verse in Genesis 1 can sound tricky unless you see how the pronouns are used. 'Beast' is written in the singular, thus the use of 'his kind', or its species. 'Cattle' is in plural, therefore using 'their kind; and so with 'every creeping thing' is in the singular. There is no reference or even inference that the Trinity is seen in this verse. That is altogether a false interpretation of the Scripture.

    Re: your comment on Angels. Well, in Nehemiah 9:6, we read: "Thou, even thou, art LORD alone; thou hast made heaven, the heaven of heavens, with all their host, the earth, and all things that are therein, the seas, and all that is therein, and thou preservest them all; and the host of heaven worshippeth thee." This of course tells us that God created all things & also the "host of Heaven". This "host", or inhabitants, would include the angels, seraphim, cherubim, & other heavenly beings. They may have been created at some point before God's creative Work was completed (Genesis 2:1 "...all the host of them (were finished))". Satan himself was a created being, a Cherub (Ezekiel 28:13-16): the King of Tyrus is spoken of in these verses but vv 13 & 15 indicate this was not a mere human but a reference to Satan. It speaks about God creating him & he was perfect until iniquity was found in him & thus banished from God's presence.

    So, that should give you a quick explanation to your questions.
  • Chris - in Reply on Genesis 10
    b. (following comment). "corruption is not something that happens overnight. It creeps in". And you gave an illustration of rust to metal. I'm from the stock that believe that as soon as sin entered Adam & Eve, they became sinners immediately & not over a period of time. My metaphor would be more of a glass of water to which some blue dye was poured in & the resultant instant complete enveloping change.

    Also, your reference: "Romans 8 tells us there were those alive at the time Adam and Eve lived, that did not commit the sin of Adam." Apologies, I couldn't find any reference to this; maybe another Scripture.

    c. "Christ was necessary because corruption was an inevitable consequence of creation". I agree that corruption (sin's results) is a consequence of creation, but I don't think it was an inevitable consequence. Creation was made perfect, & so only after the fall of man did sin have its consequence over creation. However, if you meant that God's Plan included Christ's coming because of the inevitable fall of man, then I agree with you.

    Thank you Carlos, that was a good read.
  • Chris - in Reply on Genesis 10
    Carlos, I found your comments, "My perspective on sin might be a little different" & following, a very interesting read, one of those posts that required much further thought & searching. I think I understand your stand, as declared, & also knowing that in written expression, one's full intent isn't always recognized, as one could do in speech. So, I will raise some of my own thoughts & I apologize if I have misunderstood you.

    a. "the Purpose for which God created, was to redeem us and all of creation from corruption". It is true, that the Omniscient God already knew that His Son's coming & Sacrifice was imperative for sinful mankind & thus His Plan from the beginning included Jesus, but I laboured over your point that the creation of mankind was for our redemption. From Scripture, I see that God created all things, including Adam & Eve, & saw that all was to His Pleasure & Satisfaction, & then rested on the seventh day (Genesis 2:2,3). I simply can't see that we were created so that we could be redeemed; rather, we were created so that we & our descendants, could enjoy a perfect relationship with the Godhead & enjoying a perfect world to live in. The fact that Adam/Eve sinned & that nature passed onto us, was what God had already planned for & Jesus was in that Plan. Jesus, God's Word, was in Heaven (indeed, instrumental in the creative work: Colossians 1:15,16) & had no reason to be ever sent to Earth. The status quo was God's Plan & it was Perfect & as such there would have not been any need for Jesus' Coming, nor of His Millennial Rule, nor of new Heavens & Earth. Of course, from our viewpoint, that is hard to imagine, but now in His Mercy, He sent Him to us sinners, His very Own to redeem us. I can see what you're saying, but just felt that you have understood this aspect of creation differently: i.e. we were not created for redemption but for His Pleasure. (see next comment).
  • Mickey to Emil Romans 134 - in Reply on Romans 13:4
    Hitler was not a Christian; not a minister of God.

    His deeds were evil. He was a follower of Satan. He murdered over 6 million Jewish men, grandmothers, grandfathers, women, children, babies, so satan could destroy Gods people. Hurt God.

    The only reason to remember his name is to warn people now that Hitler will seem like a choir boy compared to what the Antichrist has planned for the world. Repent

    Be born again now. Choose Life. Help people you love, be born again too. Time is short.
  • Mishael to Zacharie - in Reply on Jeremiah 33
    Mark 11:25-26 And when you stand praying, FORGIVE, if you have ought against any: that your Father also which is in heaven may forgive YOU your trespasses.

    BUT if you DO NOT FORGIVE, neither will your Father which is in heaven, FORGIVE your trespasses.

    That's why I like that movie the Shack. The guy figured out that God wanted him to forgive his daughters murderer. God says it's about you taking your hands off his neck (so to speak). The guy asks how many and "God" says 7x70, 500.

    Forgiveness is remarkably cleansing!!
  • Mishael - in Reply on 1 Corinthians 14:34
    I have no comments on women preacher/

    or teachers. Although everyone agrees that God called Deborah to be a judge. Other women were prophetesses.

    I was responding to the gay/ homosexual comment. Pardon me.
  • Etta - in Reply on Genesis 10
    To Confused>>

    Though much has already been said,

    I'm going to make this brief,

    There's a Biblical principle that sin is passed from the third and fourth generation, but, BUT, Jesus is our great equalizer! Because if you make Jesus your Lord and Savior, then no matter what your parents or grandparents have done, or even you have done in the past you can be set free, all you have do is say, "Lord, I am a sinner, please forgive me for all my sins, and wash me clean so I can stand clean before You. Be my Savior and my Lord, make me into the person You want me to be, take all of me, I am Yours, in Jesus' precious Name."

    Now, start reading your Bible, starting with the Gospel of John, then Romans, (they're in the New Testament) and stay connected to Christian people like this group, and when churches start opening up, find one in your neighborhood and become a part of them, you let them minister to you for a while, then get involved..

    I'll be praying for you
  • Bethany on 1 Timothy 2:12
    "But i suffer not a woman to teach". You have to remember and know that back then women were not taught nor as a whole literate. Women who tried to teach often had no idea to what they were speaking because they were not taught, and that led people astray. Paul would have also known that Deborah was a female prophet who taught the word of God. I believe women can be pastors, but they should not be the sole authority. A female pastor could work with a male pastor or come in for lessons and teaching, but should not be the sole authority in the church unless there is no one else to teach. We are all called to share the word of God. "Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection." Since women were not taught Paul was very for the rights of women. Look at it as if you were in school, when a teacher is talking you are to learn and be silent, so that you may hear and understand.
  • Etta - in Reply on Genesis 1:27
    Dear Shannon,

    The best way to know what to believe is to go to the Source, the Bible, a good cross reference would do nicely. But as Bob said, is correct, there is 0 references for "Lilith"

    Praying God will lead and guide you,

    Etta
  • Etta - in Reply on Romans 9:13
    Respectfully,

    The Bible says, that ALL who call on the name of the LORD shall be saved, Jews, Greek, and the rest of us Gentiles alike, were grafted in to the Vine, which is Jesus (John 15). As for predestination, gives the omniscient God the final say in the lives of mankind, (the all knowing, all seeing God knows who is His), in other words, it's a heart issue.
  • Zacharie Jordan on Jeremiah 33
    The Lord will answer your prayer if you call upon him but it does not just go that way. You have to be one of his because if not he won't here your prayers.
  • Michael Reidy - in Reply on 1 Corinthians 14:34
    Thank you for the valuable instruction although it had no substance to topic. Women speaking in Church.
  • Emil Yousif Haddad on Romans 13:4
    Based on Romans 13:4; How can Hitler be a minister of God?
  • Jesse - in Reply on Matthew 24:29
    Carlos,

    Thanks for your time and response. I agree that the word star or stars can be used as literal stars or used symbolically. I've never spent much time researching every reference to the word star or stars so I have nothing much to share in this area. I think you've answered my question and I do appreciate your time.
  • Brent marlin ferguson on Philippians 1:23
    I love jesus christ today and always! He is my hope and my Savior.
  • CARLOS RAMIREZ TREVINO - in Reply on Genesis 10
    A question I always ask with respect to Genesis 10 is, "Why did God spare Noah and his family, knowing they were also the product of Adam's sin and would eventually disobey God?"

    The response is very simple. God could not destroy or take Noah up to heaven with Him and start over again. Why? Had God rid the earth of sinful humanity, He would not have been able to carry out His Plan. But what was God's Plan? His Plan, from before time or creation, was Christ (Colossians 1:16). Everything was created FOR the purpose of Christ to enter creation to eradicate corruption in all of creation (Hebrews 10:5).

    It was necessary for God to continue with Noah, because Noah was part of the Plan drawn before creation, to continue the human race, so Christ could enter the world. God was not reacting to a situation gone bad, when He told Noah to build the Arc. He was implementing His Plan in keeping with what He had already outlined in the Book of Life. See Daniel 10:21, 12:1, Revelation 13:8 and Psalms 139:16, among others.

    To have a better understanding of these things and why God allows evil, it is essential to know that God created with a specific Plan. He created to rid creation of evil. But to do that, He had to initiate a process that takes time. And that process involved a fallen humanity. Not that God caused men to sin, but He subjected men to sin, so He could, through Christ, squash it. The unfortunate fact is that creation is susceptible to corruption and the only way to fix it is Christ.
  • Bob Hilt - in Reply on Genesis 1:27
    Greetings Shannon, by no means do I believe in what I am telling you concerning a "Lilith" in Judaism.

    The word Lilith appears 1 time in the King James in Isaiah 34:14 The wild beasts of the desert shall also meet with the wild beasts of the island, and the satyr shall cry to his fellow; the screech owl also shall rest there, and find for herself a place of rest. (the king James translators used screech owl for Lilith)

    In the Jewish encyclopedia: Lilith was the first "wife" of Adam prior to Eve, she left him cause she did not want him to be "on top" and she went to become the wife of samael. Where do they come up with this stuff? Only in the minds of certain Rabbis as it is NOT in the Bible. This is why Paul wrote in Titus 1:14 Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.

    Wiccans (witches) revere Lilith as the queen of demons and even have festivals in her "honor"

    I am not sure where you came across this name from, but I would stay away from it as it is steeped in the occult.

    I came out of the new age and went to Bible college and did studies on the occult. This stuff is evil.
  • WattRudy on Isaiah 10:18
    Failure is due to the neglect of fineness, and success begins with the importance of small things
  • CARLOS RAMIREZ TREVINO - in Reply on Genesis 10
    Reply to Too Confused on Genesis 10. My perspective on sin might be a little different, if you can stay with me. 2Tim1:9 and Titus 1:2 tell us that God created with the Plan of Redemption in mind. That is, the Purpose for which God created, was to redeem us and all of creation (Romans 8:17f), from corruption. That includes death, evil, pain, suffering, sin, moral and physical corruption. In fact, God created everything that exists so that Christ could have a human body through which to eradicate, annihilate, destroy, evaporate corruption for all eternity and thereby establish perfection forever (Heb10:5, Daniel 9:24).

    The Bible tells us that the first one to be corrupted was an Angel (Isa14 and Eze28). His name was Lucifer. Then corruption was found in him. It should be noted that corruption is not something that happens overnight. It creeps in. When a piece of metal begins to rust, you might not even notice it. Corruption takes time. And just as Lucifer corrupted over time, Adam and Eve also corrupted over time. The Bible narrative in Genesis makes it seem as if once they ate the apple, they immediately became corrupt and sinful. But that is not realistic. A reading of Song of Solomon 2 paints a better picture of what happened in the Garden of Eden. In fact, Romans 8 tells us there were those alive at the time Adam and Eve lived, that did not commit the sin of Adam.

    But God's Plan included Adam's fall, because had Adam not fallen into corruption, Christ would not have been part of the Plan. Unfortunately, Christ was necessary because corruption was an inevitable consequence of creation. Recall that the Plan came before the creation. Because the deterioration of the character and physical nature of Adam affected his genetic makeup, something we have a better understanding of today, his offspring (humanity) inherited his corrupt nature. Hence, we are all corrupt (Ps14:3).

    So, sin is not entirely a matter of the will, but of a corrupt nature. PURPOSE DRIVEN CREATION
  • Shannon - in Reply on Genesis 1:27
    I have heard of a woman named lilith! I am not going to say anything more because idk what to believe. I just submitted a question about this situation. Hopefully someone answers.
  • Shannon on Genesis 1:27
    So did Adam have a wife before eve? It says here these two were created from earth. Then he talks about eve being created from adams rib...

    I am just looking for some insight.

    I have heard of a woman called lilith, supposed she and Adam bumped heads because they were equals. Maybe Adam killed her? But people think she remains on earth and at one point when sdam and eve are away from each other Adam has a one night stand with this lilith because it says during there time apart adam is at his worst, he is very distraught.

    I don't know where it talk about this. Please understand i don't think its ok to question any of this because i don't know if I am pointing out a real honest point that most don't see, or my interpretation is off and its wrong to think this way.


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