Frank Bush. Something to keep in mind Paul spent 3 years in Arabia because
his own head was blown away by what happened. He was in the desert receiving
Revealed knowledge of what was accomplished and completed and given with
the new birth. Think about this he's known for murdering any followers of Christ
Then shows up a changed man walking via the spirit and showing signs miracles and wonders. When he witnessed the hypocrisy in action of the Judean believers
That was a serious confrontation because who are you Paul to show or teach or
Tell us how to walk. Paul's gospel was to establish what Christ called him to do,
And he was always fighting legalistic division between the law works and grace
Fulfilling by the spirit walking in agapeo or perfect love. Against such there is no
Law hence the law is fulfilled. But that is only accomplished by walking in the
Spirit. There were many still zealous for the law to the point of resisting the truth
Of Christ. This is spoken of many times throughout the church Epistles and
THE STORY OF ME AND MY KJV.---By November of 1953 I had joined the U.S. Air Force, completed bootcamp and tech training on the unparalleled B-47 Stratojet, performed The Rhumba Boogie at the Big-D Jamboree with a standing ovation, attended the funeral of my oldest brother, dated a Christian girl named Jean, and vowed to her I would become a Christian when I reached my assigned airbase in Tucson.
A few guys in my squadron claimed to be Christians, and acted like it. One was my pal Bob. Convicted, I secretly bought a small KJV Bible and often sneaked peaks at it. One day I visited Bob's room. He sat reading his KJV Bible! I said, "Bob, I want to get saved, marry a good woman, and begin a Christian home." Startled, he gave me some passages to read in my KJV, invited me to church to get saved, and introduce me to a good woman. His fianc and the "good woman" were best friends.
I went with him to Sunday School and church. Their church textbook? yyyyep, the KJV! Stepping into the class who faced us, I scanned them. There among them sat the most gorgeous woman I had seen in my entire life of 21 years! SHE was the ONE! Guys, if you saw a picture of her, you'd have to pull your eyeballs back in and eat your heart out! I was to discover that she was every bit as beautiful inside as she was on the outside! We dated nearly six months, and each and every time I saw her, I proposed to her. She finally said "yes."
Ours was a storybook romance for 61 years, 5 months, and 12 days before I lost her. While on her hospital bed, the attending nurses said to one another in our presence, "This doesn't look good." Her beautiful eyes widened as she loudly said, "I'm ready to go!" Hours later she quietly closed her eyes and slipped into the waiting arms of the Lord Jesus, whom she loved infinitely more than me. The KJV was the crowning jewel that led our little family of 4 through it all. I have a big picture of her on my wall with a WWII caption, "I'll see you after the war."
You stated "The apostles chosen, were favored because of their faith , looking for the Messiah, this is the heart that Jesus wants!"
I have to disagree.
The faith they needed was faith in what Christ done on the cross.
"It hadn't happened yet". They all looked for their Messiah but didn't understand what was to come. (The Church and salvation by the death and resurrection of Christ )
Thus was a stumblingblock for them and this is what John the baptist ministry was all about. Baptism of repentance.
They was still under the old covenant, Christ hadn't died to bring in the new covenant. Hebrews 9:15.
You stated "this is the heart that Jesus wants!,
No man's heart is right until the Lord gives him a new heart.
Jeremiah 17:9
Ezekiel 36:26.
The Cornerstone wasn't laid yet, so the foundation couldn't be laid and there was nothing to build on and there was nothing to build with until after Christ rose and they were inpowered.
What was the duties before the resurrection? They tried following him but couldn't.
Paul was seeking to kill Christians until he was converted.
BUT!! When they were filled they had strength and died a mortars death.
Here's they're duties before the resurrection. John 6:28-29. Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?
Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
They were chosen to be Apostles but the didn't function as an Apostles until They were filled with the Holyspirit.
Yes H Poley....The scripture say addressed to the 12 tribes scattered abroad.....But chapter 5:14... Says is there any sick among you...Let him call on the elders of the Church....And the prayer of faith will raise him up....Makes us think that this 12 tribes scattered abroad is really the Israel of God the Church.....That Prays for the sick and afflicked....In Jesus Name....just my thoughts
I would be interested in you opinion concerning verses 17-25.This was well after the Jerusalem council Acts 15 and Galations 2 when the Jewish Council gave Paul and Barnabas their blessing to continue to preach the Gospel of Grace to the Gentiles (with some Jewish exceptions.) With this uproar while Paul was explaining to James how his Gospel of Grace was succeeding in Gentiles being saved, it seems that many Jews were not convinced that he was preaching their Gospel of believing and keeping the Law of Moses.
Just curious as they say they are not sure who wrote the scrolls and...just a thought.
By His Grace I will be with Maranatha Tours from October 30th thru November 9th from Dan To Beersheba. We are scheduled to see the caves where The Dead Sea Scrolls were found and time permitting, (we will) go to where the Fire and Brimstone came down.
Thank you ,Chris for your reply, your encouragement & additional information. Will help me in my studies.God Bless you ! I hope you will / can continue communicating / commenting .
I think their apostleship started even before Christ appointed them. The apostles chosen, were favored because of their faith , looking for the Messiah, this is the heart that Jesus wants!
A looking forward, even as we look toward Him in all things in heaven and earth. These would become the qualifications.
The foundation was laid in their hope of the promise of the coming Messiah, upon which the Holy Spirit would be given at PENTECOST. Now, a firm foundation in the fulfillment of the prophecy.
Delmarie. God is all love that being true why would God judge a child who
Doesn't grasp or who hadn't been instructed. The same idea applies if someone
Is not of a sound mind so that the can understand God's Word and then how Would
They be held accountable. In the gospels many times Jesus Christ ministered to
Huge Crowds then taught God's Word. So they were healed so they could receive. There is a point in a young person of accountability. The scriptures say bring a child
Up in the word (not exact quote) and when he is old he will not depart from it.
You probably been on for a while now, I've been absent due to work related commitments.
I'm doing some catching up and read a few of your replies.
I and many others believe the bible is all you need to feed on the Lord. You can use computer search engines and dig up the history of other men material but nothing beats your person to God relationship through his word. after all it's the Holyspirit that does the teaching not man or the internet.
You may use these sources as methods to assist you with truth they're helpful. the internet has a 100 answers on every topic.
But Jesus says my sheep hear my voice. His lost sheep will find him.
Richard, Just a few thoughts on Rev. 17,18. The figures of speech in prophecy can be many with various interpretations. We tend to apply it to what we know and are familiar with. A whore or harlot in the scripture is one who has many lovers (sources of affection). Some of the wording in these chapters suggests it is a church that lost their first love "Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird". she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow. The reason she could think she "is a queen" is she is married to the King. "I am no widow" is because he husband is "risen". "and shall see no sorrow" she can't lose her salvation. Notice that she has "become" the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird. At one time she wasn't the habitation of devils etc. When I read Revelation I try to apply only what the Bible says about the different things. It seems to take on spiritual meaning and warning. Example: Rev. 8:10,11 And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters; And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter. Possible meaning: star fell from heaven (minister of the word falls from truth) the 3rd part of the truth is altered (not all of it yet). The water (Word) becomes Wormwood (poisoned) and many men died (spiritually) because they were made bitter.
I don't believe these caves are the same, Gregory. We do know the location of the Qumran caves where the Dead Sea Scrolls were found as there is an established site & national park there, but of the exact location of the cave where Lot & his daughters dwelt none can be sure, but the best theory around, I've given below.
The Qumran caves are located approximately NW of the Dead Sea, whereas Sodom & Gomorrah were presumed to be located to the South of the Dead Sea on the eastern flank (Sodom, in the area of ancient Zoar, was located some miles above Gomorrah). So when Lot fled Sodom, he & his daughters would have headed further east to find the cave, and from there he would have looked across to Sodom & south to Gomorrah, seeing the cities and the plain going "up as the smoke of a furnace" ( Genesis 19:28). I'm sorry that this information is the best I could find & certainly not meant to be definitive.
To the man's heart he obeyed his master and honourable and a mighty man
Of valor all gualities of a man's heart. When he was angry with Elisha sending
His messenger out and told to wash in the Jordan which was not known to be
Clean naaman being the great leader thought it was an insult. But when his right
Hand men waited until he was calmed down and reasoned with him saying he
Didn't ask to go to battle just go dip seven times in the creek. He was healed
And a remarkable point is he went back and told the prophet that he had to go
The house of a pagan god with his boss and the prophet said go in peace.
Talk about grace!
Indicating he went to the right side of Paradise.
Will be destroyed and nothing but that which is holy and perfected by God
Is left. It is written.
One more important insert,
It is Christ faith in us. It's the Holyspirit that produces this.
Thanks and God bless.
his own head was blown away by what happened. He was in the desert receiving
Revealed knowledge of what was accomplished and completed and given with
the new birth. Think about this he's known for murdering any followers of Christ
Then shows up a changed man walking via the spirit and showing signs miracles and wonders. When he witnessed the hypocrisy in action of the Judean believers
That was a serious confrontation because who are you Paul to show or teach or
Tell us how to walk. Paul's gospel was to establish what Christ called him to do,
And he was always fighting legalistic division between the law works and grace
Fulfilling by the spirit walking in agapeo or perfect love. Against such there is no
Law hence the law is fulfilled. But that is only accomplished by walking in the
Spirit. There were many still zealous for the law to the point of resisting the truth
Of Christ. This is spoken of many times throughout the church Epistles and
James and Peter and Hebrews.
A few guys in my squadron claimed to be Christians, and acted like it. One was my pal Bob. Convicted, I secretly bought a small KJV Bible and often sneaked peaks at it. One day I visited Bob's room. He sat reading his KJV Bible! I said, "Bob, I want to get saved, marry a good woman, and begin a Christian home." Startled, he gave me some passages to read in my KJV, invited me to church to get saved, and introduce me to a good woman. His fianc and the "good woman" were best friends.
I went with him to Sunday School and church. Their church textbook? yyyyep, the KJV! Stepping into the class who faced us, I scanned them. There among them sat the most gorgeous woman I had seen in my entire life of 21 years! SHE was the ONE! Guys, if you saw a picture of her, you'd have to pull your eyeballs back in and eat your heart out! I was to discover that she was every bit as beautiful inside as she was on the outside! We dated nearly six months, and each and every time I saw her, I proposed to her. She finally said "yes."
Ours was a storybook romance for 61 years, 5 months, and 12 days before I lost her. While on her hospital bed, the attending nurses said to one another in our presence, "This doesn't look good." Her beautiful eyes widened as she loudly said, "I'm ready to go!" Hours later she quietly closed her eyes and slipped into the waiting arms of the Lord Jesus, whom she loved infinitely more than me. The KJV was the crowning jewel that led our little family of 4 through it all. I have a big picture of her on my wall with a WWII caption, "I'll see you after the war."
Did figured of speech in the bible among others and Bishop K.C. Pillow who
Light through an eastern window. He was raised in Hindu culture and got
Born again and wrote books on the eastern thought in scripture related to
The gospel message and meaning.
Also we who are born again the church of God i.e. body Of Christ are still here.
Trust me it will be the disappearing moment that anyone alive and left behind
We be in shock, but what will happen when we are gathered together will be
Horrible. So work the word more and build or believing faith in Him.
You stated "The apostles chosen, were favored because of their faith , looking for the Messiah, this is the heart that Jesus wants!"
I have to disagree.
The faith they needed was faith in what Christ done on the cross.
"It hadn't happened yet". They all looked for their Messiah but didn't understand what was to come. (The Church and salvation by the death and resurrection of Christ )
Thus was a stumblingblock for them and this is what John the baptist ministry was all about. Baptism of repentance.
They was still under the old covenant, Christ hadn't died to bring in the new covenant. Hebrews 9:15.
You stated "this is the heart that Jesus wants!,
No man's heart is right until the Lord gives him a new heart.
Jeremiah 17:9
Ezekiel 36:26.
The Cornerstone wasn't laid yet, so the foundation couldn't be laid and there was nothing to build on and there was nothing to build with until after Christ rose and they were inpowered.
What was the duties before the resurrection? They tried following him but couldn't.
Paul was seeking to kill Christians until he was converted.
BUT!! When they were filled they had strength and died a mortars death.
Here's they're duties before the resurrection. John 6:28-29. Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?
Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
They were chosen to be Apostles but the didn't function as an Apostles until They were filled with the Holyspirit.
God bless.
Church H.Q.so to speak verses 4-16 specifically verse 9 James Cephas or Peter
And John Pillar's of the church same James that your referencing. Then also 17-
21 completes Paul's point of righteous of law verses basically nullified by Christ or
Made of none effect.
Just curious as they say they are not sure who wrote the scrolls and...just a thought.
By His Grace I will be with Maranatha Tours from October 30th thru November 9th from Dan To Beersheba. We are scheduled to see the caves where The Dead Sea Scrolls were found and time permitting, (we will) go to where the Fire and Brimstone came down.
Yes, the excitement is mounting daily.
Thank you,
Gregory
A looking forward, even as we look toward Him in all things in heaven and earth. These would become the qualifications.
The foundation was laid in their hope of the promise of the coming Messiah, upon which the Holy Spirit would be given at PENTECOST. Now, a firm foundation in the fulfillment of the prophecy.
What if God already came back to save the ones who made it into heaven? And we are the ones left behind?
Is this a scenario where I need to have Faith?
Doesn't grasp or who hadn't been instructed. The same idea applies if someone
Is not of a sound mind so that the can understand God's Word and then how Would
They be held accountable. In the gospels many times Jesus Christ ministered to
Huge Crowds then taught God's Word. So they were healed so they could receive. There is a point in a young person of accountability. The scriptures say bring a child
Up in the word (not exact quote) and when he is old he will not depart from it.
There is more to be shared.
Again Jews still zealous for the law and not after the freedom in Christ.
As it states the law was bondage Galatians ,5:1-18. There were many
Jews born again still walking in the law and condemning gentiles this
Caused great division in the church. Paul addressed this quite often
And there's more to this I just touched on the subject.
5 senses old man nature, let as in allow the spirit to energize your heart
And renew your mind to do the Will God has for your life.
Thanks and welcome to the site,
You probably been on for a while now, I've been absent due to work related commitments.
I'm doing some catching up and read a few of your replies.
I and many others believe the bible is all you need to feed on the Lord. You can use computer search engines and dig up the history of other men material but nothing beats your person to God relationship through his word. after all it's the Holyspirit that does the teaching not man or the internet.
You may use these sources as methods to assist you with truth they're helpful. the internet has a 100 answers on every topic.
But Jesus says my sheep hear my voice. His lost sheep will find him.
God bless you.
Administration the body of Christ.
The Qumran caves are located approximately NW of the Dead Sea, whereas Sodom & Gomorrah were presumed to be located to the South of the Dead Sea on the eastern flank (Sodom, in the area of ancient Zoar, was located some miles above Gomorrah). So when Lot fled Sodom, he & his daughters would have headed further east to find the cave, and from there he would have looked across to Sodom & south to Gomorrah, seeing the cities and the plain going "up as the smoke of a furnace" ( Genesis 19:28). I'm sorry that this information is the best I could find & certainly not meant to be definitive.