Bible Questions & Discussion PAGE 43

  • Giannis - In Reply - 2 months ago
    Momsage, 2/2

    So it is obvious that Constantine issued a Law for all populations and religions in his empire concerning a rest day during the week. He prefered a day that the pagans celebrated the God Sun, the Day of the Sun, which also coincided with the already existing rest day of the christians, the Lord's Day. So there was a common day of rest for all peoples and religions.

    Next we will talk Biblically.

    And something you must know. In early church books one may encounter the term "catholic". Catholic is a greek word which means universal, and with that meaning it must be understood when reading those writtings. It is about the early united universal church. The early christians called their church as "The One Holy and Catholic(universal) and Apostolic(descending from the Apostles) Church". It had nothing to do with the later established Roman Catholic church who included the term catholic in their title with the purpose to claim that only them were the true universal church. It was just one fraction of the early church. So do not misunderstand the term catholic in those early writtings, it was not about the Papacy.

    GBU
  • Giannis - In Reply - 2 months ago
    Hello Momsage, 1/2

    Lets talk historically, not Biblically

    On the 7th of March 321 AD, Constantine ordered Roman citizens to honor the "Day of the Sun", so it became an official holiday and a rest day. But only for those who lived in the city. Those in the countryside were excluded from it.

    His first Sunday Law states, "All judges and city people and the craftsmen shall rest upon the venerable day of the sun. Country people, however, may freely attend to the cultivation of the fields, because it frequently happens that no other days are better adapted for planting the grain in the furrows or the vines in trenches. So that the advantage given by heavenly providence may not for the occasion of a short time perish".

    As it can be seen from the above Constantine's Law had nothing to do with christians or Jews, they are not mentioned in his Sunday Law's (there were two of them). His Laws concerned all people, pagans and christians. Also it can be seen that the rest day of Sunday has nothing to do with Sabbath as it was allowed for farmers to work in the fields, something forbidden during the Sabbath, so it is obvious that Sunday was not a substitute for Sabbath.

    At that time Constantine held the title of Pontifex Maximus, the highest title of a priest in the Roman pagan religion. Also at that time christians called Sunday as Lord's Day (the greeks still do). From the references I gave you in my post yesterday it can be seen that for Christians the Lord's Day was already a holiday for about 250 years before Constantine's Sunday Laws.

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  • Momsage - 2 months ago
    "The primitive (my emphasis) Christians did keep the Sabbath of the Jews before the Christians for a long time together, did keep their convocations upon the Sabbath in which some portions of the law were read and this continued till the time of the Laodician Council." The whole Works of Jeremy Taylor, Vol. IX p416 (Historical poof the church worshiped on Saturday until Constantine and the Catholic Church made it mandatory to worship on Sunday.)

    I know the world has made it very hard for true believers to honor the 4th commandment. The other nine are getting that way too, but does that excuse us from obeying them? Again how do we justify ignoring the 4th commandment and not the other nine? Jesus' rest is a spiritual rest, the commandment is a physical, mental and spiritual rest. One doesn't replace the other. No scripture says that. There's no wrong in worshiping on Sunday and relaxing but the commandment was for the seventh day; Saturday so it must be done on that day also if we are to be obedient to what God wants us to do. You say I'm being legalistic? Well, I'm not going to worship another God, or take God's name in vain, or build idols to worship, or to not honor my parents, or to murder, or lie (not even little white ones) or to steal or to be jealous, is that being legalistic? If so then I love being legalistic and obeying God's commandments and that is why I worship and rest on Saturday. Each commandment is clear including the 4th. It is so simple, however, we've let the world command us to what day we worship and rest. However, even that has pretty well fallen along the wayside. Our disregard for resting on the sabbath has brought us to a place where we disregard ceasing our labor in any way that resembles what God commanded us to do even on Sundays and the world is suffering because of it

    God Bless :)

    I am not a part of any church or denomination.
  • Momsage - 2 months ago
    "The PRIMITIVE (my emphasis) Christians did keep the Sabbath of the Jews before the Christians for a long time together, did keep their convocations upon the Sabbath in which some portions of the law were read and this continued till the time of the Laodician Council." The whole Works of Jeremy Taylor, Vol. IX p416 (Historical poof the church worshiped on Saturday until

    Constantine and the Catholic Church made it mandatory to worship on Sunday.)

    I know the world has made it very hard for true believers to honor the 4th commandment. The other nine are getting that way too, but does that excuse us from obeying them? Again how do we justify ignoring the 4th commandment and not the other nine? Jesus' rest is a spiritual rest, the commandment is a physical, mental and spiritual rest. One doesn't replace the other. No scripture says that. So worship and relax ,on Sunday but the commandment was for the seventh day; Saturday so it must be done on that day if we are to be obedient to what God wants us to do. You say I'm being legalistic? Well, I'm not going to worship another God, or take God's name in vain, or build idols to worship, or to not honor my parents, or to murder, or lie (not even little white ones) or to steal or to be jealous either, is that being legalistic? If so then I love being legalistic and obeying God's commandments and that is why I worship and rest on Saturday. Each commandment is clear including the 4th. It is so simple, however, we've let the world command us to what day we worship and rest. However, even that has pretty well fallen along the wayside. Our disregard for resting on the sabbath has brought us to a place where we disregard ceasing our labor in any way that resembles what God commanded us to do even on Sundays and the world is suffering because of it.

    God Bless :)

    I am not part of any denomination.
  • Momsage - 2 months ago
    I've read every verse in the NT KJV bible that uses the word rest. I do not understand how any of these verses, standing alone, or used with others, presents an understanding that the rest of Jesus changes the Sabbath to Sunday including the two above. It WAS the Laodicean Council of 324 AD with the support and compliance of the Catholic Church that abolished the sabbath and replaced it with Sunday under penalty of being cursed or excommunicated if not adhered to.



    SEE BELOW

    "Constantine published the Edict of Milan, granting freedom of religion in the empire and establishing Sunday a day of worship" Collier Encyclopedia, vol 7, p. 212

    "It was the Holy Catholic Church that changed the day of rest form Saturday to Sunday, the first day of the week. And it not only compelled all to keep Sunday, but at the Council of Laodician, AD 364, anathematized (cursed) those who kept the Sabbath and urged all persons to labor on the 7th day under penalty of anathema (excommunication.)" Catholic Priest T. Enright,

    CSSRR, Kansas city, Mo (Obviously the Catholic Church was present in 364 AD to take part in what the Laodician Council was doing to change the sabbath to Sunday.)

    "The Bible says remember that thou keep holy the Sabbath day. The Catholic Church says No! By my divine power I abolish the Sabbath day and command you to keep holy the first day of the week. and low the entire civilized world bows down in reverent obedience to the command of the Holy Catholic Church." American Sentinel, Father Enright, 1893 (This quote is from 1893 not what he is saying in his quote.)
  • Momsage - 2 months ago
    To disregard this sure and steadfast commandment that God intended for our good pleasure is so sad. All of the other commandments are to be obeyed so we will live the holy life God intends for us to live to gain Heaven, but the 4th commandment is for our physical, emotional and spiritual good. It is a gift we try to give back to God and say "no thanks," however, it is also a commandment and God said if we love Him we will obey His commandments because they do not cause us to be burdened. 1 John: 5:3 and Luke 6: 13-14

    Nothing in these verses below tells us to replace the Sabbath with the beautiful rest of Jesus. We are steadfastly in His rest as long as we are true believers.

    Matthew 11:28-29 "Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls."

    Acts 2:26 "Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope."

    Thessalonians 1:6-7 "And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels."

    1 Corinthians 16:2 "Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come." (Paul is just asking the church to gather donations on the first day of each week for when he comes, it doesn't in any way point to them having to be in church to do this.)

    Romans 14:5 "And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight."(Question? Does your church only meet on Sunday to fellowship and hear preaching and teaching? This verse is just speaking of believers gathering on a Sunday to fellowship and listen to Paul preach because he had to leave the next day. It doesn't interpret as abolishing their regular worshiping on the Sabbath.)
  • Momsage - 2 months ago
    SABBATH

    Genesis: 2:2-3 " Thus the heavens and the earth were finished and all the host of them. And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made." Exodus 20:8 "Remember the sabbath day to keep it holy."

    "seventh" shebiith: an ordinary number

    "rested" sabath: cease, desist, rest

    "sanctified, holy qadash consecrate

    "sabbath" sabath intermission

    These verses speak of the 4th commandment that God gave (not asked) us to obey to honor Him by resting on the seventh day. God saw this need for us, in order to refresh our bodies, minds and souls. He gave us the other nine, also, for our good. The world, unfortunately, has decided to disregard this commandment so there is no sanctified or consecrated day anymore given only to the Lord to worship Him and for ourselves to enjoy. Believers should recognized that God, not only gave this wonderful commandment to us for our good, but He emphasized it by commanding we remember it. However, He knew it would fall along the wayside. He knew believers would excuse away abstaining from labor on the Sabbath by this and that and the other thing. Believers try to use the scripture to excuse themselves from obeying this commandment but it is just as imperative for a believer to believe and obey this 4th commandment as it is for them to believe and obey the other nine. These commandments are of God. God wrote the them on tablets Himself. After that He gave Moses laws, statues and ordinances to help the people further understanding these commandments. These commandments are the foundation of our walk with God. Because the people had added to the Laws of Moses in many foolish ways these are what Jesus rid the world of when He came, but He didn't, in any way, abolish or change God's commandments. When God gave All His 10 commands to the race of Adam it was for always
  • Bennymkje - 2 months ago
    Principle of Similitude

    God the Spirit sets his Will of God as sovereign and perfect. Significant was that the Son taught us how to pray so we first put ourselves subject to his Will. "Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven (Matt.6:10). So everything works accordingly. Principle of Similitude sets entire kingdom on this principle.

    "On Judgment"

    Judgement of the world is predetermined so God sets the years of man in multiples of ten. 120 years are not counted in terms of earth time but according to the eternal word settled in heaven. (Ge.6:3). Noah secured salvation for his family because he built the Ark to God's specification. So the Spirit gives us the day his salvation took effect. "In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened." (Ge.7:11).

    "In the selfsame day entered Noah, and Shem, and Ham, and Japheth, the sons of Noah, and Noah's wife, and the three wives of his sons with them, into the ark" (v.13) Now is the day of salvation.

    In the end times we have judgment as pre-set from heaven. On command from above we have this," Loose the four angels, which are bound in the great river Euphrates./And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men." (Re.9:14-15)

    Comparing passages are to be done on the basis of this principle so how do we settle this verse given here below? "But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day." (2 Pe.3:8). This is to show the ways of man are different from that of God. The Lord will come as a thief as Apostle Peters speaks further down. (v.10)
  • Cheryl1655 - 2 months ago
    It's said Lot offered his daughters to the men of Sodum, because thay has not known man, but then it said his daughters had husband, then its back to LOt and his two daughters with him leaving Sodum, and goning unto their father and baring his children so explain thus daughter stuff.
  • Oseas - 2 months ago
    Gal.3:22-29KJV->24The Law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ,that we might be Justified by Faith.

    25But after that faith is come,we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

    26For ye are all the children of GOD by faith in Christ Jesus.

    29And if ye be Christ's,then are ye Abraham's seed,and heirs according to the promise.

    23 But before faith came,we were kept under the Law,shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.

    22 But the Scripture hath concluded all under sin,that the promise by faith of JESUS CHRIST might be given to them that believe.

    ROMANS 2:6-12KJV

    6 Who WILL RENDER to every man according to his deeds:

    7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality,ETERNAL LIFE:

    8 But unto them that are contentious,and do not obey the truth,but obey unrighteousness,INDIGNATION AND WRATH,

    9 TRIBULATION and ANGUISH,upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the JEW,and also of the GENTILE;

    10 But glory,honour,and peace,to every man that worketh good,to the JEW first,and also to the GENTILE:

    11 For there is no respect of persons with GOD.

    12 For as many as have sinned without Law(the GENTILES)shall also PERISH without Law:and as many as have sinned in the Law(the JEWS)shall be JUDGED by the Law;

    By the way,we are now living LITERALLY in the period of SORROWS as my Lord JESUS said- Matthew 24:3-8- but it is a short period of events listed by JESUS, the worst comes soon when the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stands in the holy place( Matthew 24:21-25KJV -> 21 Then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time(current time), no, nor ever shall be.

    22 EXCEPT those days(current days)be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake these days shall be shortened.

    23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there;(as is written in John 5:43-47) BELIEVE IT NOT.

    25 Behold,I have told you before.

    Get ready
  • Giannis - In Reply - 2 months ago
    Momsage, the Ignatius of Antioch writting is from his First Apology
  • Giannis - In Reply - 2 months ago
    Momsage, 2/2

    Ignatius of Antioch, chapter 9

    If, therefore, those who were brought up in the ancient order of things have come to the possession of a new hope, no longer observing the Sabbath, but living in the observance of the Lord's Day, on which also our life has sprung up again by Him and by His death - whom some deny, by which mystery we have obtained faith, and therefore endure, that we may be found the disciples of Jesus Christ, our only Master - how shall we be able to live apart from Him, whose disciples the prophets themselves in the Spirit did wait for Him as their Teacher? And therefore He whom they rightly waited for, having come, raised them from the dead. Matthew 27:52

    Teachings of the 12 Apostles, 14:1

    "But every Lord's day gather yourselves together, and break bread, and give thanksgiving after having confessed your transgressions, that your sacrifice may be pure. But let no one who is at odds with his fellow come together with you, until they be reconciled, that your sacrifice may not be profaned. For this is that which was spoken by the Lord: "In every place and time offer to me a pure sacrifice; for I am a great King, says the Lord, and my name is wonderful among the nations."

    Those were not Catholics, they were Greeks actually not Latins. At the time the church had not been separated into different fractions. The first split of that united church occured in 1054 AD, and the Roman Catholic church emmerged as a separate church.
  • Giannis - In Reply - 2 months ago
    Hello Momsage 1/2

    Barnabas 15:9

    "Wherefore also we keep the eighth day for rejoicing, in the which also Jesus rose from the dead, and having been manifested ascended into the heavens." (The eight day is the day after the last/seventh day of the Jewish Sabbath, that is Sunday or Lord's Day as the early christians used to call it)

    Justin the Martyr, chapter 67

    "And on the day called Sunday, all who live in cities or in the country gather together to one place, and the memoirs of the apostles or the writings of the prophets are read, as long as time permits; then, when the reader has ceased, the president verbally instructs, and exhorts to the imitation of these good things. Then we all rise together and pray, and, as we before said, when our prayer is ended, bread and wine and water are brought, and the president in like manner offers prayers and thanksgivings, according to his ability, and the people assent, saying Amen;.... But Sunday is the day on which we all hold our common assembly, because it is the first day on which God, having wrought a change in the darkness and matter, made the world; and Jesus Christ our Saviour on the same day rose from the dead. For He was crucified on the day before that of Saturn (Saturday); and on the day after that of Saturn, which is the day of the Sun, having appeared to His apostles and disciples, He taught them these things, which we have submitted to you also for your consideration.
  • Momsage - In Reply - 2 months ago
    "Hello Giannis: I appreciate your comments but I politely disagree with both. The names (not quotes) you gave me were Catholics not Christians. Big difference. If you don't mind, would you be able to respond with quotes to show historical proof of what you say.

    Galatians 4: 9-11 Again this deals with the corruption of the laws, statues and ordinances that Moses gave; the Laws of Moses, not the Commandments of God. Moses' laws were done away with through the Cross, Jesus summed up the Commandments of God into 2, Matthew 22: 37-40 "Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. (First 4 of God's commandments) And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. (Last 6 of God's commandments). On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets." Verse 40 is referring to the real laws and words from the prophets that God gave, not the corrupted versions of the people. Just like today as most people use the modern translations of the bible written by men instead of the one true translation written by the Holy Spirit. Those true believers who go to church on Sunday and read modern versions of the bible are doing NO wrong, not unless God has revealed the truth to them and they deny it. I'm not talking about these discussions I am presenting to this group, as being revealed to you, I am talking about a real conviction of the Holy Spirit as I have received. Those experiences are between the believer and God, but I won't remain silent on the subjects either. God Bless :)

    PS As I said, these postings were premature. They need corrections. More later."

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  • Momsage - In Reply - 2 months ago
    Hello Giannis: I appreciate your comments but I politely disagree with both. The names (not quotes) you gave me were Catholics not Christians. Big difference. If you don't mind, would you be able to respond with quotes to show historical proof of what you say.

    Galatians 4: 9-11 Again this deals with the corruption of the laws, statues and ordinances that Moses gave; the Laws of Moses, not the Commandments of God. Moses' laws were done away with through the Cross, Jesus summed up the Commandments of God into 2, Matthew 22: 37-40 "Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. (First 4 of God's commandments) And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. (Last 6 of God's commandments). On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets." Verse 40 is referring to the real laws and words from the prophets that God gave, not the corrupted versions of the people. Just like today as most people use the modern translations of the bible written by men instead of the one true translation written by the Holy Spirit. Those true believers who go to church on Sunday and read modern versions of the bible are doing NO wrong, not unless God has revealed the truth to them and they deny it. I'm not talking about these discussions I am presenting to this group, as being revealed to you, I am talking about a real conviction of the Holy Spirit as I have received. Those experiences are between the believer and God, but I won't remain silent on the subjects either. God Bless :)

    PS As I said, these postings were premature. They need corrections. More later.
  • Tunney on Jude 1 - 2 months ago
    Jude:

    2 Mercy unto you, and peace, and love, be multiplied.

    3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.

    GOD bless all on this forum. Happy New Year! The LORD to shine HIS face on all and to gloriously bless all who love and wait for HIS coming.

    January 1, 2024.
  • Giannis - In Reply - 2 months ago
    Hello Momsage.

    It was not the Catholic church that established Sunday instead of Sabbath. Untill 1054 AD when the scism/split between the Western Catholic Church and the Eastern Ortodox Church occured, the church was a united universal church. That church came as continuation of the first church and kept many of the traditions and ordinances of that early church. Apart from the Bible there are many other writtings of early christians who wrote about Sunday. Some of them are: Justin the Martyr (100-165 AD), Ignatius of Antioch (50-120/140 AD), The Epistle of Barnabas (70-130 AD), The Teachings of the 12 Apostles (Didascalia Apostolorum) 70-200 AD

    Galatians 4:9-11, "But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage? Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years. I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain."
  • Momsage - 2 months ago
    OTHER VERSES OF IMPORTANCE:

    1 Corinthians 16:2 "Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, t

    Romans 14:5 "And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight."(Question? Does your church only meet on Sunday to fellowship and hear preaching and teaching? Is Sunday the only day of the week you might hear preaching from the minister? This verse just tells of believers gathering on Sunday to fellowship and listen to Paul preach because he had to leave the next day. It doesn't interpret as abolishing their regular worshiping on the Sabbath.)

    Collisians 2:14 & 16 "Blotting out the handwriting of ORDINANCES (my caps) that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to His cross; Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or the new moon or of the sabbath days." (This judgment is speaking of situations on the sabbath as when David fed his men shewbread that was only to be eaten by the Jewish Priests on the Sabbath. 1 Samuel 21:1-6, Christ feeding His disciples from the cornfield on a Sabbath. Matthew 1:21 and pulling an ox out of a ditch on the Sabbath. Luke 14:5; if there are things that needed to be done out of necessity on the Sabbath, you should not let men judge you for doing that.)

    I don't know how any of the verses I noted can be interpreted as showing that the early church willingly changed it's weekly worship and fellowship from the sabbath to the first day of the week. As I presented, there is historical proof that they didn't. As the "ravening wolves in sheep clothing" ( Matthew 7:15) began to creep into the church, a change was eventually made to abolish the sabbath and worship and refrain form labor on Sunday. Constantine and the Catholic Church mainly changed it and the world followed.

    God Bless :)
  • Richard H Priday - 2 months ago
    God's jealousy: Chastisement or judgment

    There have been a number of posts where I have brought up the fact that God chastises all those He loves ( Heb. 12:6; Proverbs 3:12). The alternative to that is eventually the judgment of our works; which of course without Christ leads to damnation as no one does good; not even one ( Rom. 3:11-12; Psalm 53:3).

    What hasn't been discussed is the fact that those living through the same event could personally be experiencing chastisement or judgment depending on the state of the individuals in question. This can be illustrated in 1 Cor. 10:1-5 where everyone went through the sea but God's displeasure caused many to die. In fact; only Joshua and Caleb were to survive from that generation to enter the Promised Land. Moses himself could only see it from afar. This is not to say that all were lost who came out of Egypt who peerished in an eternal sense (as we see with Moses); but the pattern is there. God performed what He promised in deliverance; despite the complaints in the wilderness He provided for their needs.

    This pattern can be seen in the judgments of Revelation. God uses the Tribulation to purify His people and bring a countless multitude to the Lord through martyrdom ( Rev. 7:9-11 etc). There are also those with the mark of God who may be so spiritually pure that chastisement is not really needed ( Rev. 7:1-8).

    Clearly even today the attitude of someone in this life in a similar situation is vastly different depending if they are walking in the Spirit or in the flesh. Luke 12:48 shows the principle of more responsibility to those who are given much; that is we have the Spirit of God who has overcome the world living in us as saints. We have overcome the world but are still living in the world ( John 17:16-26).

    We must always remember that Christ has won the war; we are in battles leading to the inevitable victory against a vanquished foe. Let your light shine therefore before men ( Matt. 5:16).
  • GiGi - In Reply - 2 months ago
    Giannis,

    I am glad to have you back once again. No need to explain to me about your circumstances. I am just happy to hear from you!

    God has blessed us with yet another day and the beginning of another year. May we all be fruitful unto the Lord in our daily lives.

    Thank you for your prayers for my family members. I know that God hears all or our prayers and is more than able to answer to our requests, especially for the salvation of ones we pray to be saved.

    There is a reason for God tarrying in answering some of our requests, and I trust Him in all things. There also is a reason we have been instructed to persevere in prayer for answers to come and to bring every concern to the Lord in prayer. I am keeping these things in mind and practice as much as I can.

    Have a good day, Giannis. Looking forward to hearing from you soon.
  • Tunney on Exodus 33 - 2 months ago
    May we learn to love and praise the LORD. May we forget not of HIS forgiveness of our sin and the power of HIS presence in our lives. It is most unfortunate for us to only really want and desire what we had after we have lost it. Colossians 3:1

    Let us stay close to the "ROCK" of our salvation, and the wisdom of our GOD through our diligent study and application of HIS word. Let us walk in the LORD and not fall to the lust of this world. Galatians 5:16

    GOD bless everyone as we enter into this new year 2024!

    January 1, 2024

    The Lord to shine HIS face on all who love HIM; and bless us gloriously.
  • Richard H Priday - 2 months ago
    Happy New Year

    We have all come another day closer to the return of Christ. Isaiah 51:6 and other verses in Psalms refer to the earth waxing old like a garment; but as Job said there will be a resurrection and we shall see Him in our own flesh ( Job 19:26 and surrounding verses). The suffering of the saints which is part of God's purging process in our own lives will come to an end; certainly if Paul with the immense suffering promised him in Acts 9:16 could state that sufferings now are no comparison to what is to come ( Romans 8:18) heaven is too wonderful for words.

    Whatever is left will be restored during the Millennium so that people can live fulfilled long lives in a peaceful existence. The earth will produce its fruit in abundance and Satan will be restrained. Only this will bring about the end of war ( Isaiah 2:4).

    I will be the first to admit; and I doubt that I'm the only one that it seems almost a cruel joke to hold on to such hope; especially in regard to the Rapture which was rather obsessed over in the 1970s and 1980s and today hardly discussed in traditional church settings. We have come to a point where it is not discussed in church; but there are numerous online sites which are pretty much obsessed with the topic and endless dreams and visions that individuals are supposed to have had on the issue. It is hard to imagine just how great it will be not to have Satan and his emissaries like a spider with tentacles removed from what is now a chokehold on almost everything in the world today. Nonetheless we have a cloud of witnesses ( Heb. 12:1) which are of every saint who has died since the time of Christ and in fact some are the "first of the firstfruits" as it were of the O.T. saints resurrected in Matthew 27:52 and 53.

    To imagine society without the violence and lawlessness of today is a stretch. When Christ comes to rule with a rod of iron He will also be just (see Isaiah 11:3 and other verses). Today may He reign in our hearts.
  • Momsage - In Reply - 2 months ago
    I mean please ignore parts 5,6,7 of my latest comments. They need corrections. Thanks, God bless :)
  • Momsage - 2 months ago
    Sorry for the inconvenience everyone but please ignore this comment. It needs correction. I posted it to soon. LOL
  • Momsage - 2 months ago
    Parts 1-4 coming soon
  • Jema - In Reply - 2 months ago
    Our healing is spiritual not physical . The body is just a shell that decays with age and ailments . I have been ill for well over thirty years , different things , some permanent some not , including stage 4 cancer ten years ago . I've had covid twice for sure but I think maybe three times , I have arthritis , sicca syndrome , fibromyalgia and a heart condition . My God has taught me many things through my ailments , lessons that I needed to learn and I'm sure I still have plenty to learn . God permitted His Son to suffer terribly for our sins , why should we think that we shouldn't suffer ? Do we think that we don't deserve to suffer ? Do we think that other people , sinners ? atheists ? idolaters ? do we think that they deserve to suffer more than we do ? We must learn than none of us are any better than anyone else , we must understand it , accept it and believe it whole heartedly . Why me ? say some . Why not me ? say I . Whom the Lord loveth He chasteneth . God brings us into submission by whatever means He sees fit , only He is righteous , we are not , not ever . Accept your lot and thank God for showing you such mercy every day . If you cannot imagine that your life could be even worse , then just watch the news and see how others live and suffer . Thanks to God for His very great mercy and generosity , Thy Kingdom Come .
  • Momsage - 2 months ago
    PART 5

    This situation and others like it are not disobeying the Sabbath. But if you get a part time job helping your fiend with his moving business on The Sabbath, this is disobeying the Sabbath. If you need the extra money, pray and God will provide it to you without you having to break the Sabbath. Remember David and his feeding his men the shewbread. ( 1 Sam. 21: 1-6). It wasn't something he did all the time, it was something of need at the time. The same with Christ feeding his disciples from the cornfield on the sabbath ( Matt. 12:21) or someone pulling their ox out of a ditch on the sabbath ( Luke 14:5). So the Holy Spirit is telling us to not let others "judge" you for this kind of behavior on the Sabbath. It does not say to no longer keep this day Holy.

    Corinthians 16:2, "On the first day of every week, each one of you should set aside a sum of money in keeping with his income, saving it up, so that when I come no collections will have to be made.

    Excuse me but how-in-the-world does this scripture indicate that the church met on Sunday? Paul is asking them at the beginning of each week to set aside an amount of money for whatever so this won't have to be bothered with when he visits them again. This is not work and he certainly doesn't say for them to switch to Sundays to have church until he comes. Please use some discernment.

    Colossians 2:14 & 16 "Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross." Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days." God did give Moses statues and ordinances for instructions on His 10 commandments to give to the Jews but they eventually added foolish ones of their own. Verses 14 explains this by calling these ordinances that were "against" them and which caused the Jews much confusion in following the real laws of God and Moses.
  • Momsage - 2 months ago
    PART 6

    OTHER VERSES OF IMPORTANCE:

    1 Corinthians 16:" Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come." This can't be the Sabbath, Paul is asking them to do work.

    Romans 14:5 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight. Question? Does your church only meet on Sunday to fellowship and hear preaching and teaching? Is Sunday the only day of the week you might hear preaching from the minister? This verse just tells of believers gathering on Sunday to fellowship and listen to Paul preach because he had to leave the next day which was the Sabbath.

    ( Col. 2:14 & 16 God." Blotting out the handwriting of ORDINANCES (my caps) that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to His cross; Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or the new moon or of the sabbath days: In the 10 Commandments of God there is only 1 day that God commanded us to keep hollowed out for Him for our good; the sabbath. There were other sabbath days during festivals that were not all on Saturday but were kept during the festivals that were a week or longer. These were sabbath dayS. The statues and ordinances in Moses' laws is what this verse is talking about but, not the commandment, if you don't agree with me and believe it is talking about the last day of the week, let me give you an example of this verse's meaning: A friend calls you on a Saturday and says he needs your help right away moving some things out of a garage he was storing them in because the person who owns the garage said if he doesn't do it immediately they were going to haul it all of to the dump. So you help your friend move his things. A lot of work, that took some time.
  • Momsage - 2 months ago
    PART 7

    HISTORICAL EYEWITNESS OF CONSTANTINE AND THE CATHOLIC CHURCH CHANGING THE SABBATH TO SUNDAY.

    *"The Catholic Encyclopedia is the most comprehensive resource on Catholic teaching, history, and information ever gathered in all of human history. This easy-to-search online version, was originally printed between 1907 and 1912 in fifteen hard copy volumes."

    "The Bible says "remember" that thou keep holy the Sabbath day. The Catholic church says No! By my divine power I abolish the Sabbath day and command you to keep holy the first day of the week. And low

    the entire civilized world bows down in reverent obedience to the command of the holy Catholic church." American Sentinel, Father Enright, June 1893

    "The primitive Christians did keep the Sabbath of the Jews before the Christians, for a long time together, did keep their convocations upon the Sabbath in which some portions of the law were read: and this continued TILL the time of the Laodician council." The Whole Works Of Jeremy Taylor, Vol. IX p416.

    "Constantine published the Edict of Milan, granting freedom of religion in the empire and establishing Sunday as a day of worship." Collier Encyclopedia

    vol 7, p. 212

    "It was the holy Catholic Church that changed the day of rest from Saturday to Sunday, the 1st day of the week. And it not only compelled all to keep Sunday, but at the Council of Ladiocea, AD 364, anathematized (cursed) those who kept the Sabbath and urged all persons to labor on the 7th day under penalty of anathema (excommunication)." Catholic Priest T. Enright, CSSR, Kansas City, MO
  • GiGi - In Reply - 2 months ago
    Dear S. Spencer,

    Thanks for letting us know Mr. Neville's prayer needs. I will be praying for him and his family.


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