I did not want this conversation to go into what it did with the poster "Anonymous" or "Roman" if they are the same person. I posted to you to speak to the generation Jesus is speaking about in Matthew 24. I would love to hear more of what you think. I am still learning when it comes to eschatology, so I find people's input valuable.
Hmm, I am just not sure what you are trying to get at here except to somehow trip me up.
You may think I am wrong in my thinking. That is fine with me as this topic does not speak to my salvation in any way. The time of the end will come one way or another. I usually do not enter into conversations on this topic because it has such a diversity of thoughts and no definitive timeline in sequence anywhere in the Bible. Most people take Scriptures from various parts of the Biuble to fit together their theory. And that is what we are talking about here.
I appreciate hearing your views but I do not wish to argue on this topic. I would like to know your name, though, so I can address my post to you by name.
Dear Heavenly Father, Help us to always honor Your name and that of Your Son, Jesus and that of the Holy Spirit. We all need to grow in reverence of You and in proclaiming Your name rightly. Today we bring before You this friend of Leviticus Boy and ask that you move in his life today to draw him to You for salvation. We pray that the Holy Spirit will bring to him the conviction of sin and his standing before You as a sinner. Cause him to seek You today for forgiveness, salvation, and a new life in You. We ask this of You, Father, in the name of Jesus. Amen.
I'm sorry, but you are mistaken. The resurrection tenants and time-line is specifically laid out in a particular order:
#1) The saints are resurrected first. They heal the earth alongside millions of mortals, great tribulation survivors, and at the end of the 1,000 years, God defeats the 3 evil spirits that make us behave cross towards one another. The saints are judged at the seventh trumpet, they are the first fruits of the 1st resurrection. You are implying at the 1st resurrection, Jesus is picking out souls for everlasting life, but it's the resurrected saints he's gathering prior to Revelation 14:1. 1 Thessalonians 4:17, Paul is referring to the saints only, not anyone else.
#2) The Great White throne Judgment, resurrection happens AFTER the 1,000 years, Revelation 20. This is the resurrection of the rest of humanity, the sinners, unbelievers, believers of false doctrine. This is my place, where I belong, you will find me amongst the sea of humble sinners, praying for redemption. Ezekiel 37:1-14, the valley of dry bones ALLEGORY of the 2nd resurrection where God had pity on the whole house of Israel and reestablished him at the last, Isaiah 14:1.
'Jesus has to prepare a place for us' is synonymous with Jesus creating a new heaven and new earth. The 1st resurrection saints will enter a totally destroyed world, Isaiah 24. The 2nd resurrection group will inherit paradise.
Hebrews 9:27 God set the parameters for entering the kingdom of heaven, part of it is to require a mortal death. Jesus Christ was the first example of being 'born again'. Jesus is the only man to live, die, having God resurrect him into everlasting life!
Please consider what I'm saying in accordance to the narrative of what Biblically occurs. I have 1 more intriguing post for you about the saints.
It has to do with when you stood for God , linked yourself with the Father or the Son Jesus Christ . I would read Ephesians 1 and learn what predestined and before the foundation of the world means . many were written in long ago .
Hello Brian. In Nehemiah 1:2, the prophet was specifically speaking to Hanani & those who came with him from Judah, about the Jews which escaped the captivity by the Babylonians. So the word 'Jew' is derived from the name 'Judah', or 'Yehudi', from which tribe the captives were taken.
Then in verse 6, we read of Nehemiah's passionate agonizing prayer to God for Israel. I understand that Nehemiah here was praying for all of God's people, both Judah & Israel who had sinned grievously before the LORD which resulted in their captivity; and to both these, he referred to as 'Israel' and was not specifically praying for Judah.
Do you mean a christian Catholic or just somebody who has the name "christian" but doesn't practise a christian life? Is the other person saved or not? The problem is not marrying to a christian from any another church but marrying to somebody who is christian as a custom (because their parents were and baptized them when babies) but doesn't really believe in Jesus, their lives show no real faith, no change, no fruit. And Catholics are ususally like that (but not always).
Anyway a marriage between a believer and a non believer(I am putting a question mark on that) may be a big problem. How can two different lives, beliefs, practises be compromised together? A common life has to rely on some standards, some common rules etc. What are those going to be? Somewhere in between? Can the light be compromised with darkness, purity with sin, truth with lie? Such unions often lead to difficult situations. You will want to go to the church and she will want to go to a club, you will wish to hear christian music and she will want to watch some worldly sinful moovies, you will not say lies but she will do that. What will the rules that you will raise your kids with? You may believe that you will attract her to the real faith but often the opposite occurs. Sin is powerful and if you are not careful then you may find yourself in a big big trouble. Now if she is a believer but the Catholic way then things are better ...
The above are general things, it is you who knows the other person and know what to expect from her. Why don't you ask for God's advice, ask for His guidance. He knows better than our heart. Pray to God and if you are in a church consult your pastor, the elders etc. especially those who know that other person and can tell you a few things.
(I think that if you want to be married in a Catholic church then you must become a Catholic yourself and be baptized in water in the Catholic church, but I am not so sure about that)
Did you not notice that ,God's commandment in verse 9 of Leviticus chapter 8 , about priests not drinking wine before they enter the tabernacle , comes immediately after the incident with Nadab and Abihu ? Personally , I believe these things are written in the order that they are because that's what happened with Nadab and Abihu . I think that they had maybe had a drink of wine and got a very silly idea in their heads which they then executed and then they were executed .
1. In my life I have met people that are such good actors in their everyday life that one would bet their life on them. Can that person who saw aliens prove what he said or is it just words? Also often people say that have seen ghosts, do you believe them?
2. Genesis 2:1-2 "Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them).
And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made."
So God finished creating the heavens and earth and rested on the 7th day. So nothing more was created from there on at least. Even if we assume that God did actually create other people after us on other planets then those people should be "younger" than us, so how come they have already created such a supercivilization that made spaceships that travel millions and millions of light years and finally found earth when at the same time we here on earth have not travelled further away than the moon (man boarded missions)? Not logical is it? Maybe God made other people before us, before creating earth? Genesis 1:1 "In the beginning (of creation) God created the heaven and the earth." So earth was the first thing to be created together with the heavens. Genesis doesn't place anything in between heaven and earth, nothing was created before earth. So nothing was created before earth and after earth was created (together with people) God stopped and rested.
3. You ask "did Jesus go there and die for them too?". So if there are say 1000 (or million) different earths in the universe then Jesus was sacrificed 1000 different times? Not a very good idea to be a God then, is it? It would be very painful (just trying to be funny). I don't think that even God could take that
4. Maybe another Jesus, you ask. There is only one Father, one Jesus and one Spirit, there aren't many.
Well dear brother we will hear a lot of weird things these last days. Don't believe them. My opinion.
Amen! I love what you said last about how we should honor Jesus and not treat him casually. I have a friend who is an unbeliever, he will casually toss God's name around like it was his own. Since he doesn't believe in him he doesn't think anything of his name. But a change in him. I would really like it if everyone would just pray that the LORD works in his life.
In Revelation 3:5, John gives an exhortation to the church. He says, "He that overcomes, and that's a Present Participle.
To the one who (is) overcoming, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will (not) blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.
We are given references to the Old Testament that tell us there's more than one book. ( Exodus 32:32-33, Daniel 12:1-2, 7-10, Psalm 69:28)
There's the book of life which has listed in it everybody that has received human life. And then there's the book of the Lamb, those who belong to Christ.
In the book of life, if a person rejects Christ, their name is removed from the book of life as if they've never been born. They're gone!
But no one is ever blotted out of the Lamb's book of life.
If you go back into the Old Testament and you study from those references, it will show you that there's more than one book. And the Jews knew that.
It's not that God has books up there. But it's just a human example or an illustration that God knows everything, all the people that have been born, and all the people that belong to Christ.
He say (I will not) blot out his name out of the book of life. And I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels. Jesus said that He would do that.
So, our names are entered into the Lamb"s book of life the moment we receive Christ. He will never blot out a believers name from that book. That's how permanent our salvation is. He will never blot our names out of His book!
FYI, you described resurrection, not rapture. And you conflated the 1st resurrection with elements of the 2nd resurrection. It is amazing how many people will accept falsities as Biblical fact, and give praise where praise is not due.
Wow, GIGI, It is amazing how you understand the Bible so well. I really appreciate having someone like you on here; you make it all the more fun by helping people understand. You have encouraged me to read more of the Bible and dig deeper into understanding it. My church right now is walking through the book of Revelation. It is a very interesting book about the end times of this world. Personal I don't want to be on this world when it happens due to all the destruction and pain toward christens. But at the same time I do want to be a part of it, to witness what the Bible talks about, and perhaps even to see Jesus in His seconed coming. I thank God that I am a believer. Because if I wasn't, I would be cursed to Hell forever.
Where are the 25 billion believers that ever lived going to fit on earth? What about God's other people who are true lovers of God, will they not suffer a mortal death, too? Wouldn't you need a new earth and new heaven to accommodate such a large number of people? Also, if Christians are raptured, that puts the doctrine in direct conflict with Hebrews 9:27.
Ezekiel 21:1-4 describes Israels visitation; both good and bad people are taken (killed). No rapture.
Luke 17:34-37 The disciples ask Jesus where the "taken" people go? Jesus says the bodies will be where vultures circle. They are not raptured, they are dead.
The rapture isn't Biblical doctrine, you adopted it along the way. It's popular when there's a shortage of sound solutions, and chances are you wouldn't have settled on that doctrine on your own. The "rapture" was made popular by a 15 year old girl, Margaret McDonald. Study the topic before answering, I can wait a few days. I really want you to focus in on the subject, take notes. We're going to use scripture and logic to iron this out.
Thank you , I appreciate the opinion , you are right about Knowing the narrative inside and out (is) critical. Ezekiel 38 is the battle of Megeddo not Amageddon .
The manuscripts don't say kings of the east , they say those of the rising son/sun , also symbolic . the river euphrates is an literal river , but as much as it's been literal it's a boundary , symbolically between Israel and Babylon . To correlate , in Rev 16 You don't really believe literal Angels are bound (in) the river waiting to be loosed do you ?
You don't believe that in this sophisticated day and age and technology and all the mega dams built along the river that they are waiting for it to dry up naturally to cross over do you ? Okay ! we can have difference of opinion all day long but the drying up (is) symbolic for the boundary being removed and Satans camp moving in onto God's mountain 2 Thes 2 . The 4 Angels , the number 4 is the biblical number of earth . to loosen the 4 angels of earth is to say release the bad players , those of the rising sun/son . Even though he is already here at the WOE of the fifth trump Rev 9:12 where it says one woe is past , It's not until the 6th trumpet sound that Satan reveals himself and slays a third part of man which is what verse 15 infers and is what was asked to be explained (hence thrust upon the scene), And the four angels had been loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, in order to slay the third part of man. (an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year is a specific time) and it saying the 6th trump not the fifth when the men are slain . I said God's elect were sealed at the Woe of the fifth trump thanks , there is a fifth trumpet sound and a Woe of the fifth trumpet , there is a difference .
I was not sure who you were responding to. And, if I may ask, what is your name?
My view of the "rapture" is that:
When Jesus returns at the end of the age, all believers and unbelievers will be resurrected. Believers will be changed to have resurrection bodies and meet Jesus in the air at His descent. Our bodies will be made immortal and incorruptible with the sin nature totally removed. We will be sealed like the angels who did not rebel and will never sin again. We will be with Jesus forever.
Unbelievers will be resurrected into their bodies only these will be immortal but still corrupted with a sinful nature. They will be judged to hell forever, joining Satan and his angels. They will be tormented forever with the wrath of God upon them ithout mitigation.
Especially America, NATO & Israel. The sixth trumpet was made for them.
After the US/Israel attack Iran's nuclear facility, I'm moving to S. America to escape. Revelation 9:15 gives me time, so while Russia is preparing their weapons of indignation, I'll be preparing as well. I don't mind dying, but not like that when I know the narrative and signs, Revelation 18:4 says "get out". I will enjoy watching the video analysis of the attack over and over. The merchants can morn America, but not me, I'll be satisfied. Oh I know, that's terrible of me to say, but that's literally the way it plays out. Jesus defeats the beast, and 42 months prior, the beast defeated America. I'm sure in hindsight, you'll be able to identify America as Mystery Babylon, with her European Babel partners, all desolate and smoking, blocking out the sun. You might even take credit, saying you had a hunch it was that bunch.
You know Roman, Satan did rebel first and the many angels followed. But even if the angels had not begun to sin, I think that man could have just as easily rebelled all on his own without the temptation of Satan. Adam and Eve could have reasoned themselves into doubting God's word and wisdom all by themselves. They could have eaten from the tree of knowledge of good and evil without the wiles of Satan. But as it were, Satan was an instrument in the fall of mankind, but Adam and Eve made the choice to sin in and of themselves. They could have resisted in their innocent state, but they did not.
.. In verse 8 it says that YHWH spoke directly to Aaron. This was unusual. Aaron must have felt the weight of God's attention on him. God said that none of the priests are to drink wine or strong drink while they were doing service before God. This does not mean that they could not drink alcohol when they were outside the tabernacle, but only when they were performing priestly duties before God. This statute concerning drinking wine and alcohol was to drive home to Aaron and the priests the seriousness of distinguishing the holy from unholy (referring to worship actions and common actions, not necessarily right and wrong actions). God also told Aaron that it would be his job to teach the people all of the statutes given to Moses.
Next, Moses instructs Aaron and his sons to eat the remaining meat offering (unleavened bread) in the holy place beside the altar as it is their portion of this sacrifice. They also were to eat the thigh and breast offerings that are wave and heave offerings before God as this is their share of the meat of the peace offering.
Next, Moses inquires about the sin offering (a goat). The sons were to eat it, but instead they had burned it on the altar.
So, they were trying to follow God's rules, but erred in this respect. This was different from Nadab and Abihu. They were not trying to be presumptuous. They didn't feel worthy to eat the offering after the sins and deaths of Nadab and Abihu. Moses set them straight on how this is to be done. Yet, Moses was content with Aaron's explanation. So, in light of what happened in this chapter, there must have been a big difference between the attitudes of the hearts of Aaron, Eliazar and Ithamar verses Nadab and Abihu.
May we grow in grace and knowledge of Jesus Christ in fear and reverence of Him, recognizing he is holy and pure. May we not treat Him commonly or casually like a buddy or worse. May we honor Him and praise Him with true affection and worship.
Nadab and Abihu were ignited by YHWH for bringing fire along with incense into the tabernacle. They may have had zeal for YHWH but did not fear YHWH properly. God had strictly restricted the fire to be burned on the altar to come from the altar within the tabernacle. This fire was to be a perpetual fire. Moses had just instructed the priests and consecrated them. The priestly duties had just begun. But these sons were brash and immature. They did not respect God's ordained way for them to serve Him. God's judgment upon them was swift and deadly. Imagine the horror to Aaron to see his sons made into human torches by God. And then Moses instructed Aaron and his family to not mourn for his sons in the usual mannerisms.
This event reminds me that there really is only one way to approach God and that is in and through Jesus who is our righteousness and covering. He covers us and vouches for us to protect us in our lack of truly knowing how holy God is. Jesus keeps us from being destroyed by God's consuming fire.
The bodies of Nadab and Abihu were taken outside the camp because their remains were unholy. God instructed Moses, Aaron, and the Israelites to distinguish between what is holy and unholy and right and wrong worship. God insisted that anyone who approaches Him must acknowledge his holiness and any actions are to glorify God before others, never to draw attention to oneself.
God instructed Aaron and his remaining sons that they should bewail God's judgement and sincerely and soberly regard it. Same was to be for the people. They are not to trifle with God in their own will and reason. Aaron and his sons were not to leave the tabernacle as they were serving God as priests still with the anointing oil still being upon them and this instruction was given by Moses under threat of death. Aaron and Moses obeyed. This was a difficult and substantial lesson for the priest to learn. Their service to YHWH on behalf of the people is holy.
However, Jesus talked about how bad people would become in the last days. ( Luke 21:8-28) It's just like Sodom and Gomorrah out there. And Paul talked about it too. ( Romans 1:18-32)
Don't cha know that quoting scripture is the new Hate Speech????? People want to sin and not feel bad about it. These people have been given over to a reprobate mind and their hearts are hardened. Everything evil is considered good, and everything good is considered evil. They don't want to hear the Gospel. Meanwhile, the Christ-deniers are setting themselves up to be the good guys. Millions of people are being deceived.
All we CAN do is pray for people, 'cause talking to them is like talking to a brick wall. So if I don't warn someone in person & verbally- am I still responsible??: "his blood will I require at thine hand".
Yes,, Richard. Satan is our adversary. I have wondered if he and the angels watched while God created Adam and Eve. Or, if they did, was he already in his fallen state and so became very envious and determined to destroy this creation imprinted with the image of God. He does want to destroy the human race anyway he can. He knows he cannot destroy God. so, he continues to rebel, becoming more and more evil with every passing moment. He especially hates prayer, as you said.
I think he also hates the human family, the marriage union, and the begetting of children. His goal is to decrease the world population any way he can. He especially does not want Christians to be fruitful and multiply because then we would soon outnumber the unbelieving as we bring our children up in the faith! He does not want us to be surrounded by billions of believing who have shared godly values and lifestyles because our influence upon the world would be magnified.
He hates it when we focus on God in worship and in the Word of Life. He hates it when we share God's truths with others. He hates it when we build one another up in faith and love. He hates it when we have harmony between us and when we are united in purpose. He hates it when we magnify the Lord ad refuse to give him undue attention.
We need to be wise concerning him, but confident that God will protect us. The Holy Spirit lives within us. There is no room for him in us and the Spirit prevents him from possessing us because we are God's possession in Christ.
I did not want this conversation to go into what it did with the poster "Anonymous" or "Roman" if they are the same person. I posted to you to speak to the generation Jesus is speaking about in Matthew 24. I would love to hear more of what you think. I am still learning when it comes to eschatology, so I find people's input valuable.
You may think I am wrong in my thinking. That is fine with me as this topic does not speak to my salvation in any way. The time of the end will come one way or another. I usually do not enter into conversations on this topic because it has such a diversity of thoughts and no definitive timeline in sequence anywhere in the Bible. Most people take Scriptures from various parts of the Biuble to fit together their theory. And that is what we are talking about here.
I appreciate hearing your views but I do not wish to argue on this topic. I would like to know your name, though, so I can address my post to you by name.
Dear Heavenly Father, Help us to always honor Your name and that of Your Son, Jesus and that of the Holy Spirit. We all need to grow in reverence of You and in proclaiming Your name rightly. Today we bring before You this friend of Leviticus Boy and ask that you move in his life today to draw him to You for salvation. We pray that the Holy Spirit will bring to him the conviction of sin and his standing before You as a sinner. Cause him to seek You today for forgiveness, salvation, and a new life in You. We ask this of You, Father, in the name of Jesus. Amen.
Perhaps so. But the text does not explicitly state that is the case, but it may explain their behavior.
I'm sorry, but you are mistaken. The resurrection tenants and time-line is specifically laid out in a particular order:
#1) The saints are resurrected first. They heal the earth alongside millions of mortals, great tribulation survivors, and at the end of the 1,000 years, God defeats the 3 evil spirits that make us behave cross towards one another. The saints are judged at the seventh trumpet, they are the first fruits of the 1st resurrection. You are implying at the 1st resurrection, Jesus is picking out souls for everlasting life, but it's the resurrected saints he's gathering prior to Revelation 14:1. 1 Thessalonians 4:17, Paul is referring to the saints only, not anyone else.
#2) The Great White throne Judgment, resurrection happens AFTER the 1,000 years, Revelation 20. This is the resurrection of the rest of humanity, the sinners, unbelievers, believers of false doctrine. This is my place, where I belong, you will find me amongst the sea of humble sinners, praying for redemption. Ezekiel 37:1-14, the valley of dry bones ALLEGORY of the 2nd resurrection where God had pity on the whole house of Israel and reestablished him at the last, Isaiah 14:1.
'Jesus has to prepare a place for us' is synonymous with Jesus creating a new heaven and new earth. The 1st resurrection saints will enter a totally destroyed world, Isaiah 24. The 2nd resurrection group will inherit paradise.
Hebrews 9:27 God set the parameters for entering the kingdom of heaven, part of it is to require a mortal death. Jesus Christ was the first example of being 'born again'. Jesus is the only man to live, die, having God resurrect him into everlasting life!
Please consider what I'm saying in accordance to the narrative of what Biblically occurs. I have 1 more intriguing post for you about the saints.
Then in verse 6, we read of Nehemiah's passionate agonizing prayer to God for Israel. I understand that Nehemiah here was praying for all of God's people, both Judah & Israel who had sinned grievously before the LORD which resulted in their captivity; and to both these, he referred to as 'Israel' and was not specifically praying for Judah.
Do you mean a christian Catholic or just somebody who has the name "christian" but doesn't practise a christian life? Is the other person saved or not? The problem is not marrying to a christian from any another church but marrying to somebody who is christian as a custom (because their parents were and baptized them when babies) but doesn't really believe in Jesus, their lives show no real faith, no change, no fruit. And Catholics are ususally like that (but not always).
Anyway a marriage between a believer and a non believer(I am putting a question mark on that) may be a big problem. How can two different lives, beliefs, practises be compromised together? A common life has to rely on some standards, some common rules etc. What are those going to be? Somewhere in between? Can the light be compromised with darkness, purity with sin, truth with lie? Such unions often lead to difficult situations. You will want to go to the church and she will want to go to a club, you will wish to hear christian music and she will want to watch some worldly sinful moovies, you will not say lies but she will do that. What will the rules that you will raise your kids with? You may believe that you will attract her to the real faith but often the opposite occurs. Sin is powerful and if you are not careful then you may find yourself in a big big trouble. Now if she is a believer but the Catholic way then things are better ...
The above are general things, it is you who knows the other person and know what to expect from her. Why don't you ask for God's advice, ask for His guidance. He knows better than our heart. Pray to God and if you are in a church consult your pastor, the elders etc. especially those who know that other person and can tell you a few things.
(I think that if you want to be married in a Catholic church then you must become a Catholic yourself and be baptized in water in the Catholic church, but I am not so sure about that)
GBU
1. In my life I have met people that are such good actors in their everyday life that one would bet their life on them. Can that person who saw aliens prove what he said or is it just words? Also often people say that have seen ghosts, do you believe them?
2. Genesis 2:1-2 "Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them).
And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made."
So God finished creating the heavens and earth and rested on the 7th day. So nothing more was created from there on at least. Even if we assume that God did actually create other people after us on other planets then those people should be "younger" than us, so how come they have already created such a supercivilization that made spaceships that travel millions and millions of light years and finally found earth when at the same time we here on earth have not travelled further away than the moon (man boarded missions)? Not logical is it? Maybe God made other people before us, before creating earth? Genesis 1:1 "In the beginning (of creation) God created the heaven and the earth." So earth was the first thing to be created together with the heavens. Genesis doesn't place anything in between heaven and earth, nothing was created before earth. So nothing was created before earth and after earth was created (together with people) God stopped and rested.
3. You ask "did Jesus go there and die for them too?". So if there are say 1000 (or million) different earths in the universe then Jesus was sacrificed 1000 different times? Not a very good idea to be a God then, is it? It would be very painful (just trying to be funny). I don't think that even God could take that
4. Maybe another Jesus, you ask. There is only one Father, one Jesus and one Spirit, there aren't many.
Well dear brother we will hear a lot of weird things these last days. Don't believe them. My opinion.
Have a blessed day.
May the LORD bless you and keep you all!
In Revelation 3:5, John gives an exhortation to the church. He says, "He that overcomes, and that's a Present Participle.
To the one who (is) overcoming, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will (not) blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.
We are given references to the Old Testament that tell us there's more than one book. ( Exodus 32:32-33, Daniel 12:1-2, 7-10, Psalm 69:28)
There's the book of life which has listed in it everybody that has received human life. And then there's the book of the Lamb, those who belong to Christ.
In the book of life, if a person rejects Christ, their name is removed from the book of life as if they've never been born. They're gone!
But no one is ever blotted out of the Lamb's book of life.
If you go back into the Old Testament and you study from those references, it will show you that there's more than one book. And the Jews knew that.
It's not that God has books up there. But it's just a human example or an illustration that God knows everything, all the people that have been born, and all the people that belong to Christ.
He say (I will not) blot out his name out of the book of life. And I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels. Jesus said that He would do that.
So, our names are entered into the Lamb"s book of life the moment we receive Christ. He will never blot out a believers name from that book. That's how permanent our salvation is. He will never blot our names out of His book!
FYI, you described resurrection, not rapture. And you conflated the 1st resurrection with elements of the 2nd resurrection. It is amazing how many people will accept falsities as Biblical fact, and give praise where praise is not due.
Where are the 25 billion believers that ever lived going to fit on earth? What about God's other people who are true lovers of God, will they not suffer a mortal death, too? Wouldn't you need a new earth and new heaven to accommodate such a large number of people? Also, if Christians are raptured, that puts the doctrine in direct conflict with Hebrews 9:27.
Ezekiel 21:1-4 describes Israels visitation; both good and bad people are taken (killed). No rapture.
Luke 17:34-37 The disciples ask Jesus where the "taken" people go? Jesus says the bodies will be where vultures circle. They are not raptured, they are dead.
The rapture isn't Biblical doctrine, you adopted it along the way. It's popular when there's a shortage of sound solutions, and chances are you wouldn't have settled on that doctrine on your own. The "rapture" was made popular by a 15 year old girl, Margaret McDonald. Study the topic before answering, I can wait a few days. I really want you to focus in on the subject, take notes. We're going to use scripture and logic to iron this out.
Thank you.
The manuscripts don't say kings of the east , they say those of the rising son/sun , also symbolic . the river euphrates is an literal river , but as much as it's been literal it's a boundary , symbolically between Israel and Babylon . To correlate , in Rev 16 You don't really believe literal Angels are bound (in) the river waiting to be loosed do you ?
You don't believe that in this sophisticated day and age and technology and all the mega dams built along the river that they are waiting for it to dry up naturally to cross over do you ? Okay ! we can have difference of opinion all day long but the drying up (is) symbolic for the boundary being removed and Satans camp moving in onto God's mountain 2 Thes 2 . The 4 Angels , the number 4 is the biblical number of earth . to loosen the 4 angels of earth is to say release the bad players , those of the rising sun/son . Even though he is already here at the WOE of the fifth trump Rev 9:12 where it says one woe is past , It's not until the 6th trumpet sound that Satan reveals himself and slays a third part of man which is what verse 15 infers and is what was asked to be explained (hence thrust upon the scene), And the four angels had been loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, in order to slay the third part of man. (an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year is a specific time) and it saying the 6th trump not the fifth when the men are slain . I said God's elect were sealed at the Woe of the fifth trump thanks , there is a fifth trumpet sound and a Woe of the fifth trumpet , there is a difference .
My view of the "rapture" is that:
When Jesus returns at the end of the age, all believers and unbelievers will be resurrected. Believers will be changed to have resurrection bodies and meet Jesus in the air at His descent. Our bodies will be made immortal and incorruptible with the sin nature totally removed. We will be sealed like the angels who did not rebel and will never sin again. We will be with Jesus forever.
Unbelievers will be resurrected into their bodies only these will be immortal but still corrupted with a sinful nature. They will be judged to hell forever, joining Satan and his angels. They will be tormented forever with the wrath of God upon them ithout mitigation.
Sometimes the sight posts my name, sometimes it doesn't....
Especially America, NATO & Israel. The sixth trumpet was made for them.
After the US/Israel attack Iran's nuclear facility, I'm moving to S. America to escape. Revelation 9:15 gives me time, so while Russia is preparing their weapons of indignation, I'll be preparing as well. I don't mind dying, but not like that when I know the narrative and signs, Revelation 18:4 says "get out". I will enjoy watching the video analysis of the attack over and over. The merchants can morn America, but not me, I'll be satisfied. Oh I know, that's terrible of me to say, but that's literally the way it plays out. Jesus defeats the beast, and 42 months prior, the beast defeated America. I'm sure in hindsight, you'll be able to identify America as Mystery Babylon, with her European Babel partners, all desolate and smoking, blocking out the sun. You might even take credit, saying you had a hunch it was that bunch.
.. In verse 8 it says that YHWH spoke directly to Aaron. This was unusual. Aaron must have felt the weight of God's attention on him. God said that none of the priests are to drink wine or strong drink while they were doing service before God. This does not mean that they could not drink alcohol when they were outside the tabernacle, but only when they were performing priestly duties before God. This statute concerning drinking wine and alcohol was to drive home to Aaron and the priests the seriousness of distinguishing the holy from unholy (referring to worship actions and common actions, not necessarily right and wrong actions). God also told Aaron that it would be his job to teach the people all of the statutes given to Moses.
Next, Moses instructs Aaron and his sons to eat the remaining meat offering (unleavened bread) in the holy place beside the altar as it is their portion of this sacrifice. They also were to eat the thigh and breast offerings that are wave and heave offerings before God as this is their share of the meat of the peace offering.
Next, Moses inquires about the sin offering (a goat). The sons were to eat it, but instead they had burned it on the altar.
So, they were trying to follow God's rules, but erred in this respect. This was different from Nadab and Abihu. They were not trying to be presumptuous. They didn't feel worthy to eat the offering after the sins and deaths of Nadab and Abihu. Moses set them straight on how this is to be done. Yet, Moses was content with Aaron's explanation. So, in light of what happened in this chapter, there must have been a big difference between the attitudes of the hearts of Aaron, Eliazar and Ithamar verses Nadab and Abihu.
May we grow in grace and knowledge of Jesus Christ in fear and reverence of Him, recognizing he is holy and pure. May we not treat Him commonly or casually like a buddy or worse. May we honor Him and praise Him with true affection and worship.
Nadab and Abihu were ignited by YHWH for bringing fire along with incense into the tabernacle. They may have had zeal for YHWH but did not fear YHWH properly. God had strictly restricted the fire to be burned on the altar to come from the altar within the tabernacle. This fire was to be a perpetual fire. Moses had just instructed the priests and consecrated them. The priestly duties had just begun. But these sons were brash and immature. They did not respect God's ordained way for them to serve Him. God's judgment upon them was swift and deadly. Imagine the horror to Aaron to see his sons made into human torches by God. And then Moses instructed Aaron and his family to not mourn for his sons in the usual mannerisms.
This event reminds me that there really is only one way to approach God and that is in and through Jesus who is our righteousness and covering. He covers us and vouches for us to protect us in our lack of truly knowing how holy God is. Jesus keeps us from being destroyed by God's consuming fire.
The bodies of Nadab and Abihu were taken outside the camp because their remains were unholy. God instructed Moses, Aaron, and the Israelites to distinguish between what is holy and unholy and right and wrong worship. God insisted that anyone who approaches Him must acknowledge his holiness and any actions are to glorify God before others, never to draw attention to oneself.
God instructed Aaron and his remaining sons that they should bewail God's judgement and sincerely and soberly regard it. Same was to be for the people. They are not to trifle with God in their own will and reason. Aaron and his sons were not to leave the tabernacle as they were serving God as priests still with the anointing oil still being upon them and this instruction was given by Moses under threat of death. Aaron and Moses obeyed. This was a difficult and substantial lesson for the priest to learn. Their service to YHWH on behalf of the people is holy.
However, Jesus talked about how bad people would become in the last days. ( Luke 21:8-28) It's just like Sodom and Gomorrah out there. And Paul talked about it too. ( Romans 1:18-32)
Don't cha know that quoting scripture is the new Hate Speech????? People want to sin and not feel bad about it. These people have been given over to a reprobate mind and their hearts are hardened. Everything evil is considered good, and everything good is considered evil. They don't want to hear the Gospel. Meanwhile, the Christ-deniers are setting themselves up to be the good guys. Millions of people are being deceived.
All we CAN do is pray for people, 'cause talking to them is like talking to a brick wall. So if I don't warn someone in person & verbally- am I still responsible??: "his blood will I require at thine hand".
I think he also hates the human family, the marriage union, and the begetting of children. His goal is to decrease the world population any way he can. He especially does not want Christians to be fruitful and multiply because then we would soon outnumber the unbelieving as we bring our children up in the faith! He does not want us to be surrounded by billions of believing who have shared godly values and lifestyles because our influence upon the world would be magnified.
He hates it when we focus on God in worship and in the Word of Life. He hates it when we share God's truths with others. He hates it when we build one another up in faith and love. He hates it when we have harmony between us and when we are united in purpose. He hates it when we magnify the Lord ad refuse to give him undue attention.
We need to be wise concerning him, but confident that God will protect us. The Holy Spirit lives within us. There is no room for him in us and the Spirit prevents him from possessing us because we are God's possession in Christ.
Praise the Lord for that!