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  • Richard in Christ - in Reply
    I am very thankful for your kind touching replies Lauren. That sounds so beautiful where you are in the mountains. Myself also am at the most peace just being outside hearing the beautiful songs of His birds, the colors, trees, sky, clouds etc. This being only a touch of His glory. Praise be the Lord Jesus Christ and our Father in Heaven for ever and ever!

    Deuteronomy 4:29 But if from thence thou shalt seek the LORD thy God, thou shalt find Him, if thou seek Him with all thy heart and with all thy soul.

    Jeremiah 33:2-3 Thus saith the LORD the maker thereof, the LORD that formed it, to establish it; the LORD is His name;

    Call unto Me, and I will answer thee, and shew thee great and mighty things, which thou knowest not.

    Psalms 32:5 & 7 I acknowledged my sin unto thee, and mine iniquity have I not hid. I said, I will confess my transgressions unto the LORD; and thou forgavest the iniquity of my sin.

    Thou art my hiding place; Thou shalt preserve me from trouble; Thou shalt compass me about with songs of deliverance.

    Psalms 37:3-4 Trust in the LORD, and do good; so shalt thou dwell in the land, and verily thou shalt be fed.

    Delight thyself also in the LORD; and He shall give thee the desires of thine heart.

    Philippians 2:13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of His good pleasure.

    Stay rooted in God's love. Blessings.

    Amen.
  • Miguel H on Genesis 12:10
    Sarai did not have a wife with Pharaoh because when God told Abram he will give him a child within a year Sarai had laughed at that thought because she has not beared a child up until that point. Abram was not a coward in my eyes for lying on his wife but he knew the wickedness he faced so he ended up saving his and possibly even Sarai's
  • Adam - in Reply
    Differences between Koran and Bible:

    SALVATION:

    Bible is the most popular book in history of the world and it teaches Christianity which is vastly different from all other religions, because you don't need to work or 'earn' your way into 'heaven', but God instead died for you. So, you just have to accept the gift and follow Him.

    In Islam and other religions you have to earn and work your way to their version of heaven.

    SAVIOR/PROPHET:

    Jesus taught to love each other and turn the other cheek. Jesus willingly died for everyone because he loved us so much. He was a Jew who didn't harm anyone, but even washed strangers feet and healed people.

    Muhammad hated Jews and murdered nearly 1 thousand Jews. He didn't heal anyone or perform any miracles.

    Jesus stayed pure, never married, avoided immorality, and never sinned.

    Muhammad had 11 wives, one girl was only 6 yrs old and he is said to have had sex with her at 9 yrs old. This is considered pedophilia and is illegal in most countries and immoral according to the Bible's old law it is punishable by death. Source: Sahih al-Bukhari, The Book of Marriage (Kitab Al-Nikah) 5:58:234, 5:58:236, 7:62:64, 7:62:65, 7:62:88. Sahih Muslim - 8:3309, 8:3310, 8:3311, 41:4915.

    Jesus preached love and to turn the other cheek.

    Muhammad taught jihad, revenge, and killing. Countless fundamentalist followers have committed mass acts of violence, terrorism, mass murder, and evil and are viewed upon as followers of satan.

    SOURCE TEXT:

    Bible is 10 times bigger than the Koran and written over a longer period of time, 1500+ years with multiple authors inspired by God.

    Koran was written later in AD 610-632 by just one person.

    Ask yourself, what is the truth? Have you tried praying to God and asking Him directly? Ask for a confirmation and genuinely seek and ask, disregarding whatever bias you carry, and disregarding whatever false information you've been told. If you really want to know the truth, you will find it.

    God bless...
  • Adam - in Reply
    Hello Ron, I'm not sure if you're genuinely interested in the differences or not, based on your last 3 sentences. But just in case you're actually seeking answers, I will offer one.

    First, God hasn't pitted religions against each other. Man has. God didn't invent Islam, Muhammad did.

    Second, I disagree that your religion is entirely dictated by where you are raised. At the age of adulthood everyone can think for themselves. Everyone has a right to think, research, and choose for themselves what they choose to believe. The reality is a lot choose not to, or some even don't believe their own religion, but choose to stay in it for other reasons like career, family, etc. Many Muslims go through the motions and don't believe it; same for Christianity.

    Third, you said the two religions contradict each other whether Jesus is the Son of God or not. Both aren't true. He either is or is not, and of course the evidence is overwhelmingly that is that He is. Muslims believe both the Bible and their own Koran, so this religion contradicts itself solely on that point.

    >If one of you stood on your soapbox and claimed to be right, and everyone else is wrong, then that's self-evidently nonsense.

    Do you believe in absolute truth? Is 1+1 always 2? Is it sometimes 3? Is it a matter of opinion or is it a matter of what is true and false? You called yourself Ron, but maybe I instead say your name is Betsy and that is "my truth" and just as valid/true and what you said your name is. Then I could say if you're right and I'm wrong then you're just on a soapbox saying nonsense?

    Will make another comment with differences.
  • Chris - in Reply on Luke 4:5
    I'm unsure whether you've checked the Greek rendering of these passages, but they appear very similar, using the same root verb.

    Gleaning from the Greek Lexicon, in Luke 4:1, the word is 'egeto' from the root, 'ago' (to lead, to bring, to carry).

    In Luke 4:5: it is 'anagagon', from the root 'anago' (to lead up, to bring up). So the emphasis here is on the direction: 'Up'.

    In Luke 4:9: it is 'egagen', again from the root 'ago' (to lead, to bring, to carry).

    So, it seems from the Greek, the distinction is not very marked, as each of the references point to Jesus being led or directed by the Holy Spirit (into the wilderness), & in His temptation, led/taken/carried by Satan. It would also be correct to suggest that in all three instances, Jesus was miraculously removed from his original position to those other positions (viz. the wilderness, the mountain, & the temple's pinnacle), rather than Him walking or climbing to get there. So, I don't think we should be troubled that Jesus was somehow not in control of his Will to concede to the will of the others.
  • Victor on 1 Corinthians 9
    1 Corinthians Chapter 9:15

    "... than that any man should make my glorying void."

    what does "glorying" mean?
  • Nyou46410gmailcom - in Reply on Acts 19
    SO that i do not get in toruble here with the lord i recommend saying the lords prayer i dont kow verses yet but until i do i say his prayer and my views are mine based on my christian upbringing iam not a priest not a preacher the father of my heritage a humble honest man who is not god but only a servant of the lord god and may he rest in heaven and peace and may his name be given to the lord for protection and his family be held in fellowship and saftey for all of the good lords days bless you all and thnk you for letting me type my thoughts do not tell anyone these are bibke they are discussions about our good lord thank u we do not have enemy on earth it is in heaven we are in heaven on earth
  • Lauren - in Reply
    II Corintians 4:16

    "For which cause we faint not; but though our outward man perish, yet the inward man is renewed day by day."
  • Norman Walker - in Reply
    Adam thank you. One thing that sticks in my mind is it is said in the Bible that not many will make it to Heaven so that is what makes me think about it. Just like I said I have been taught that everyone who is saved and is a believer and walks right with the Lord will go to Heaven and the ones who do not will go to hell! I want to go to Heaven but I know I am falling short at times so I hope the Lord will forgive me. Nothing bad just at times I am not doing what I should be doing but I always pray every day and ask him to forgive me!
  • Adam - in Reply
    Hello, what was your reaction when you saw this? And for context when and where did this occur?
  • Lauren - in Reply
    Richard, your replies have truly blessed me today. God is so good. Long day working with Middle Schoolers, I went up aferwards to my high place on the mountain to read the Bible, pray, open my windows to the beautiful breeze and view of the valley. Then I read your comment on "mercy" and I nearly cried, so you know it touched the spirit. Thank you... Lately, the Holy Spirit has been leading me to praise God for his infinite mercy, and the more I do this, the more I melt in love with Him. In the past I had a tendency in the flesh to only seem my faults and heavy sense of self, sin, constantly battling a conscience of sin, despite prayer and much reading of the scriptures to the contrary. What finally has broken through is to praise God for his Infinite mercy through the Blood of Jesus Christ on the Cross, to only look to his mercy, not to my self at all...... And in this, nothing dark is left untouched. The more I sink in Him, his forgiveness and mercy, the cleaner he shows me I am in Christ. Utterly amazing grace!! It is so incredibly humbling, and joy is starting to trickle through. I can't tell you how happy I am to share with my brothers and sisters the joy of the Lord, and the gospel....

    And how grateful I am for you Richard, your comments led me straight to the Lord in praise. I bless you in God's love.
  • NYOU46410GMAILCOM - in Reply on Luke 4:5
    Adding to that frankly the satan was not authorized to offer jesus the world it was not the satans to give so maybe the satan was asking th elord how do you want me to live on the earth your world lord jesus so i may not offend you and jesus asked him to learn to grow food and clean water and harvest plants and nuts and seeds and those things lest we be left with no food these are not the facts but the interpretation of what the satan meant by talking to jesus about the earth he was in this world where i am in my mind i am suffering for i know not what to do jesus tells himlearn to grow food and be happy with the things you sow therefore never starving for the lords sake he meant i want you to be happy satan and to be agriculturally inclined this he believes would make him more spirit filled with contentment not tent living but spirit filled countanence that christ offers these are truths of the message but the words are mine embellished for story here in discussion peace
  • NYOU46410GMAILCOM
    Work the land plant grow and harvest foods and he will be there to share these in good fellowship not suffering unto him but sharing harvest with him he works to sustain himself agriculturally types of land to till and tarry soils and seeds he sits down for supper we know this last but not least the lord himself
  • Ron
    What's the difference between the Bible and Koran? I have read both the Bible and Koran, and each are equally enlightening.

    -The Bible says that Jesus really was the son of God, and if you don't believe that, you will spend an eternity in hell.

    -The Koran says twice that Jesus was not the son of God, and anyone who believes that Jesus was the son of God will spend an eternity in hell.

    This is the absurd dichotomy of faith, offering as much room for compromise as a coin toss. People choose between the two religions by accidents of birth; if you are born in Afghanistan, you will be a Muslim, and so forth. It is an odd sort of God who created these circumstances, pitting one religion against another. If one of you stood on your soapbox and claimed to be right, and everyone else is wrong, then that's self-evidently nonsense. For this reason alone, all religions should be questioned.
  • A CHRISTIAN
    Interpreting the ordainment of tounges a ho:y language i am not this person who interprets however i see a possible christian church this unification is certain as i see men of darker skin singing words from men of lighter skin who were speaking in toungues wer are to be gods only this gift giver i am translating a visual observation of men who sing the phropecies of languages those described as toungues are they all no just as i would not know that i can only describe they may be of unified church as god has in my vision given them each a way to merge as friend and fellowship in congregation thus in this no absolutes no ends and with praye rwe hope new songs of any emotive a they are glorys of the lords wherein anger and love anre one one spectrum of range being this way is not subject to warring with other indeed eyewitness as the lord is never finite but infinite in his unique myserious ways peace be with you and with you in holy jesus his one name true with out a curse but lifting curses of all and many church of old and new congregatons "where two or more are present i am there " the king james version fellowship is mandatory in god we are not dog as mirror is not names or mans savior lest those occult type be weary mirror are not the lords armour mirrors are enchanting but not saving hence grace is revered not endowed on men who without beauty mirrors they fire fere forgiven memory is not predicted free will is given thank u jesus a disciple amen
  • Truthseeker on Luke 4:5
    Looking for clarity. In Luke 4:1 Jesus was full of the Holy Ghost and led by the Spirit in the wilderness. Then, in 5 we read that satan took Jesus up into a mountain. Meanwhile, the NIV translation writes that Jesus was "led" by satan in this instance. So, the NIV uses led and led, which appears to suggest something that does not sit well in my mind, i.e., led by the Spirit AND led by satan. But, the KJV uses two words, "led" and then "taking," suggesting a distinction, and I'd like input on this. Thanks.
  • Carolyn on Romans 14:16
    Carolyn

    ""Let not then your good be evil spoken of:" I thought this meant if you are a married man you shouldn't be seen in public with other women even if you say they are just friends."

    What should I say to him? He gets angry if I tell him he is wrong.
  • Carolyn Morgan on Romans 14:16
    "Let not then your good be evil spoken of:" I thought this meant if you are a married man you shouldn't be seen in public with other women even if you say they are just friends.
  • Neville Stewart - in Reply on Genesis 6
    Thanks for the views on this issue.
  • Ptjones on Daniel 9
    Daniel 9:26-27. After 69 weeks the Messiah will cut off. He will be rejected.After that the people of the Prince (Jesus)to come will destroy the city and the Holy Sanctuary.The Prince used in two the two passages are one and the same.The people of Prince referred here was the Roman army.Because the Jews rejected their Messiah and killed Him. So that they are also rejected by God and they are no longer God's own people.After stoning of Stephen in AD 34 Jews sealed their fate and 70 weeks prophecy completed for the Jews and the gospel went to gentiles through Apostle Paul.So whoever believe in Jesus Christ are become His own people.Thus Romans are also His people.The abomination that desolated the Israel nation was rejecting their Messiah and killing Him.Through Jesus Christ by His sacrifice on the cross all sacrifices ended and the new covenant come in to force and it was sealed by His own blood.
  • Carol J Miller on Psalms 1
    I'm looking for a passage concerning spiritual growth. Tho we are wasting away our Spirit grows stronger.
  • Philip Christian Parks on Hebrews 6
    Hebrews 6:1-2 = The epistle writer identifies "the first principles" here in these verses which include the following:

    + "repentance from dead works" (v.1),

    + "faith toward GOD" (v.1),

    + "the Doctrine of baptism" (v.2),

    + "laying on of hands" (v.2),

    + the "resurrection of the dead" (v.2), and

    + of "eternal judgment" (v.2).

    In the previous chapter (5:12), these "principles" are "first" (Greek noun root ; pronounced "ar-KHAY"), for all believers experience these "first principles" in Salvation.

    The "first principles" are the "milk" (5:12-13) new convert Christian "babe(s)" require to sustain spiritual new life. The epistle writer metaphorically described those principles which follow the "first principles" as "strong meat" (5:14). Here, the verb "leaving" does not mean to forsake and abandon the "first principles", for these are "foundational".

    As newborns grow in stature from "babes" into "them that are of full age" (5:14), so too do their nutritional demands increase from "milk" (5:13) to "strong meat".

    The term "first" speaks of the basic, foundational principles, and from which more in-depth principles will follow. These principles which follow will require more spiritual insight and discernment.

    This same rule applies to every individual Christian who strives for spiritual maturity and "perfection". "Leaving" means to build upon these "first principles" by pressing forward unto spiritual "perfection". Once the Christian convert achieves full understanding of the "first principles", he then strengthens these initial principles with more weightier, complex THEOlogical Doctrines.
  • Richard in Christ - in Reply
    Hi Lauren,

    Thank you for your kind reply. It gives me joy you received comfort. Telling me it was for you.

    I know there are different beliefs on this issue and that's ok. Though I have faith we are to be with the Lord where He is in His Glory.

    The story of how I came to meet that man is amazing. I know it was the Lord that brought us together. To share any of the experiences I've had after coming to the Lord gives me joy. As really some of the things only true children of God would believe. The one who always listens, to me, and enjoys it is my mother.

    Keep your faith in the Lord. Praise Him, thank Him, tell Him how much you need Him and love Him. He hears everything. Always stay humble before Him. One thing I'd like to share to all is, those who stay humble before the Lord always hoping and begging for His mercy and forgiveness are the one who will receive it. He will exalt us in due time. Every single day when I pray, even if I don't think I did anything wrong, I beg for His mercy and forgiveness.

    God is so perfect and above us we cannot even comprehend how glorious and pure He is.

    A couple verses I will leave for the day:

    2 Esdras 16:54 Behold, the Lord knoweth all the works of men, their imaginations, their thoughts, and their hearts:

    Ecclesiasticus 43- By Him the end of them hath prosperous success, and by His Word all things consist.

    We may speak much, and yet come short: wherefore in sum, He is all.

    How shall we be able to magnify Him? for He is great above all His works.

    When ye glorify the Lord, exalt Him as much as ye can; for even yet will He far exceed: and when ye exalt Him, put forth all your strength, and be not weary; for ye can never go far enough.

    Who hath seen Him, that He might tell us? and who can magnify Him as He is?

    There are yet hid greater things than these be, for we have seen but a few of His works.

    For the Lord hath made all things; and to the Godly hath He given wisdom.

    Have a Blessed day in the Lord!
  • David on Judges 11
    All discussions and view points offered here have merit. Some more, some less. Let's not forget, how much greater God's wisdom is than ours. If we allow the Bible, God's Word, to explain Himself- a the clear rendering can be made. Just keep in mind, we must always use the whole counsel of God not just parts we know or like.

    We know, from Scripture, God hated human sacrifices. He does not allow it.

    One last point, people may abandon us - even family; but the Lord God Almighty never will.

    Thank you Lord for this medium of learning and discussion. Lord Jesus shine His face on all here.

    God bless everyone on this forum.

    June 11
  • HANS VLES
    The word is sanctified not santified !
  • Ronald L Whittemore - in Reply on Genesis 6
    Neville Stewart

    There are two primary views on the identity of the sons of God and daughters of men. They were godly descendants of Seth intermarrying with wicked descendants of Cain. The major support for this interpretation is Genesis chapter 4 describes the ungodly generations of Cain, and 5 is the godly Seth line and the righteous line of Seth.

    Cain and Seth are both descendants of Adam and Eve so if the descendants of Cain's daughters were fair, so the daughters of Seth would also be fair so, godly vs ungodly would have to be the difference. Nowhere in scripture are the descendants of Seth called "the sons of God", but more as an adoption, "shall be my son" as Solomon and us today, who receive Jesus and are led by the Spirit of God are the sons/ daughters of God. (1 Chronicles 17:13) (2 Corinthians 6:18)

    The other view is angels who left their first estate and mated with women. Angels are called sons of God in Job, (Job 1:6) (Job 2:1) (Job 38:7). Some say angels can not mate because of what Jesus said in (Matthew 22:29-30). But all through scripture angels take on human form, they eat and drink and if they left their first estate it is possible. Scripture does not give a lot about this; we have 1656 years from Adam to the flood in only 7 chapters of Genesis.

    Scripture tells us there are devils, demons, and fallen angels but these angels are different they are locked in chains of darkness in the bottomless pit until judgment. (2 Peter 2:4) (Jude 1: 6). The bottomless pit comes up in Revelation, another study.

    Also mentioned are giants/ Nephilim/ Rephaim "in those days; and also after that", before and after the flood. Whether these were offspring of angels' scripture does not tell us. The description in scripture is clear these are not just tall people. (2 Samuel 21:16) (Joshua 12:4) (Numbers 13:33) (Deuteronomy 20:17) (Deuteronomy 2:19-21) (Amos 2:9).

    This is just a small amount of information, maybe it will get you started in your study.

    RLW
  • Chris - in Reply on Genesis 48
    Hello Jannelle. This is one of those oft-asked profound questions to which there is no adequate well-informed answer. I think most of us have given this much thought at some point in our Christian walk, so various answers may well be correct.

    Even as God has all Power to protect or shield His children from all harm, discomfort & disappointment in life, it seems He often chooses not to do so. Even with the ministry of Jesus to the sick & suffering, or those who died & He raised to life, there was certainly joy amongst them that their life had been restored but does that mean that they didn't have to face struggles, ill-health & calamity the next day? Or, even those in the Church so equipped with the Gift of healing, have certainly restored many to health by the Spirit's Power, yet there was never a complete removal of their other problems that would come to them later on.

    So in my understanding, the root cause for our woes is simply because we live in a sin-ravaged corrupt world & living in bodies so affected. Indeed, our spirits might be renewed & refreshed by God's Spirit, & even healing can come to us during that experience & subsequent times in our lives, yet the fact remains, none of us has ever been freed from pain or calamity - Adam & Eve saw to it. And it would be nice if God would wave His Hand over us every time an impending trouble approaches us, but that doesn't happen.

    Rather, for the one who has placed his trust in God through His Son, our sufferings, though just as painful as unbelievers might experience, can find a measure of relief, of joy & of perfecting that none else can receive. This is because we are His children - He cares - He gives Grace - He draws us closer to Him - He uses us for others. You can look at these few Scriptures to guide you: Romans 8:18-28; 2 Corinthians 1:3-5; 2 Corinthians 4:16-18; John 16:33; Romans 4:1-5; Philippians 4:11-13. In the midst of our suffering, we can always prove the Lord sufficient & gracious to us.
  • Lauren - in Reply
    Praise God! This really blessed me this morning...
  • Sacha - in Reply
    Wesly Masterson ,ive never heard such utter drivle as the theory of eviloution , even as a child i thought it was foolish ,the more they try to explain it the stupider and more desperate they sound .
  • Sacha - in Reply
    Gertrude Hasmaris , you made me laugh ,if i give you my address will you send your neice to my kitchen please ? Much love in Christ .


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