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  • Chris - in Reply on Deuteronomy 18
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    God did send out His Word by the prophets but lastly sent His final message through that same Word (Hebrews 1:1,2), now clothed in flesh for not just in bringing out God's Word in Person, but for the main purpose, that this Word (of God, from God, as God) would lay down His Life as a full substitutionary payment for our sins.

    So here is the difficulty that you have, implying: the Son of God was only that, a special separate creation, holy & sinless, Who would sacrifice His Life in our stead. Yes, He was a special creation, not out of nothing, but from God's very Being. Though the requirement of a spotless Sacrificial Lamb offering would have been met in such a (separate) creation by God, it would lack the most important aspect of such a sacrifice: that God Himself would make the payment for man's sins. This is the true & fullest expression of God's Love (1 John 3:16: "Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he (God) laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren."). God had to come down to the realm of sinful man, taking on his flesh & ultimately becoming the sin offering that gives full pardon to all who come to Him by faith & unequivocal love in response. If God did not take this initiative, or He (in Jesus) failed to rise from the dead, we would remain hopeless, unredeemable, consigned to hell fire for all eternity.

    I pray Rob, that you & any other who is at variance to what the Scripture teaches on this important matter, might know that your salvation hangs onto the fact that God had to lay down His Life to redeem you, & that He accomplished that by coming down, sending His Word, in the Person of Jesus Christ, Who then rose again to the Father, to Whom He once prayed: "And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was" (John 17:5). A very compelling Statement of Truth.
  • Chris - in Reply on Deuteronomy 18
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    I think Rob, a dictionary wouldn't be very useful in this matter. So your answer is: "The Holy Spirit is of God". Well, that's correct but to expand on that a little, if I may amplify your thoughts. In great care, I would suggest that you also believe that the Holy Spirit is a Person, i.e. He comes from within the Godhead, sent into the World of sinners to convict & to indwell those who have been born again that they might lead new lives with a new Power within.

    That He must be a Person, as shown in many examples: Intelligence (1 Corinthians 2:10,11); has feelings (Ephesians 4:30); has a Will (1 Corinthians 12:11); has a Mind (Romans 8:27); teaches (John 14:26); guides (Romans 8:14, John 16:13); commissions (Acts 13:4); commands (Acts 8:29); restrains (Genesis 6:3, 2 Thessalonians 2:7); intercedes (Romans 8:26); speaks (John 15:26). Though He may be a spirit as from God, out of God's Being, He is the very Expression & Person of God Himself. I hope you agree to that, or am I putting words in your mind or mouth?

    Then we come to God's Word. As seen with the Spirit, the Word of God is unseen, the very Articulation of God in creating, giving commands & direction whether to heavenly hosts, to His people on Earth or through His prophets & in other utterances that we're unaware of. Now there may be other aspects of God's Being that we're not told of, but of the Word & the Spirit, there's no dispute. The difficulty now for some remains with the 'Word'.

    If then, God sends out His Spirit to accomplish His Purposes, why is it so hard to comprehend that He sends out His Word to do likewise? Or is that because the Spirit has no flesh, therefore it must hold true that God's Word can only be spirit without flesh? What if God chose to give His Spirit flesh maybe that would make it easier to understand the 'Word' easier.
  • Steven Spencer on Genesis 28
    Israel of God,,. these are some of the key vs in replacement theology. which views I don't hold.. Galatians 6:12-16 (KJV) As many as desire to make a fair shew in the flesh, they constrain you to be circumcised; only lest they should suffer persecution for the cross of Christ.

    For neither they themselves who are circumcised keep the law; but desire to have you circumcised, that they may glory in your flesh. Now here in vses 12 and 13 you see Paul focus is on jews constraining the galatians to be circumcised,

    For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature...still talking about them.. "Those that are circumcised those that or not". Galatians is the victims in these 2 verses not the focus, when he's making a distinction between jew and gentiles he says THE circumcised or THE uncircumcised. vs 16. Same pair of jews, the circumcised is them in this vs and the uncircumcised is the Israel of God.

    And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on THEM, and mercy, and upon the ISRAEL OF GOD. Therefore Israel of God is the messianic jew who is part of the body of Christ forming the church. as in John 10:

    John 10:16 (KJV) And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

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  • Chris - in Reply on 1 Corinthians 13:13
    Whether it is sin that weights us down in life or other debilitating circumstances we find ourselves in, it is in God's Plan that both His Spirit & His children be ready to assist to save another from being overwhelmed in Satan's grip. When one member of the Body suffers, we all suffer & the only remedy we can give is our support & encouragement.

    I was interested to read your comment: "satan does not make me sin ,i am the sinner ,the sin is all mine ,i am responsible 4 my own sin". I think I understand what you're saying, if by that you mean, that the sin in you & which continues to surface, is because it's already there & that Satan remains just a mute spectator. Even though there is merit in that & we all suffer with a fallen sinful nature passed on to us from the beginning, it is Satan himself who is ever present to appeal to that nature causing us to either obey his voice or to withstand him. Our fallen nature is just that: a nature already degenerated so that no good thing can come out of it. Yes, we might do many good things in our lifetime for people & society in general, but the equal propensity to do evil in our nature also exists. How often, we can be told of a man, decent in every way, loving his family, upright in business, but all of a sudden goes into an outrage against someone who has severely offended him & then lets all control & sensibility be lost, by taking another's life. That almost doesn't make sense, but it's reality as sin is ever present that can make us behave in unimaginable ways, not just by bringing disgrace to ourselves but in greatly offending God.

    So you may be "the sinner & the sin is all yours", but every time you fall it's not just sin manifesting itself in you of its own accord, but Satan who takes up the fallen nature & your propensity to sin, to cause that root of sin to be revived & expressed. However, if one finds a delight to sin, I then agree that it comes from us - but we would need to question our faith. James 1:14,15.
  • Rick Mentzer - in Reply on 2 Timothy 3
    Avon hi look at 2 corinthians 4:1-4 good stuff remember also Ephesians 6:12 it is never a sense knowledge or headtrip. the bible is the only correct book on Spiritual knowledge and power, besides that people do not believe in sin, so their already perfect they think.
  • Rick Mentzer - in Reply on Deuteronomy 18
    Hi bro its Rick The word of God states in Ephesians ! : 4 that God new before the foundations of the world we would be born and believe in the same sense God all knowing new He would have to save us from the adversary by Giving the perfect human sacrifice His only begotten son. No where in scripture does it literally say that physically or in any other form Jesus Christ was in the beginning with God, that is a matter of how someones interpreting what is being read . Like I myself have lost count on how many interpretations I've heard or read on one verse of scripture. Just keep one thing in mind either the whole word is perfect and fits with life or something is lost in interpretations. The great reason for denominations is that men have decided what they believe it says, the apostle paul one of the greatest men of God that ever lived made this statement 2 Timothy 1:15 all of Asia turned away from what God told him to teach that was about 80 years after pentecost, and this Guy was given to write the seven church epistles and in Ephesians 4:4 There is one body one spirit and one hope and one lord and one Father, I did'nt write the book, since thats supposed to be the case you explain to me what happened other then one man saying this is what I think and another man saying the same. I'll stick paul in Galatians one six -twelve I'll stick with paul and The Gospel that God Gave Him, also he was so important thatJesus Christ appeared to Him.
  • Khauit W Martin Jr on Jeremiah 5:1
    It's a sad commentary to think Judah/Jerusalem - didn't have within the entire nation righteous persons that could avert YHWH's judgment. He sought but could not find no not one, they even spurned HIS plea to them it seems. How sad! Not so unlike USA 2021 in many ways. It's time for a national time of repentance.
  • Steven Spencer - in Reply on Isaiah 45:5
    Alex you left out a couple of verses. Exodus 3:13 And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say unto them? 3:14-15 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.

    And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, The LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.
  • Rick Mentzer - in Reply on Isaiah 3
    Hi John Its Rick I've got a few guestions and I don't argue scripture that being said Jesus Christ said I can do nothing without my Father, it says in Gods Word no man has ever seen God , it says in Gods Word God is spirit you can't see taste touch smell or hear spirit when Jesus Christ was on the cross He was talking to Himself? Now i,m not here to argue again but the trinity is not in kjv. and its origin started with the meeting in nicea and it was called the nicene creed before that the belief that God and Jesus Christ and holy spirit being one in entity did not exist, notice I didn't say purpose I said entity also let us not forget that Christ now sits at the right hand of Gods throne. Also in the Gospel of luke !:80 it says that the child grew and waxed strong spiritually I he was God there is no need to get spiritually stronger also in book of James 1:13 it says God can't be tempted neither temp he any man and yet my bible says Our brother was tempted in all ways yet he didn't sin. This in no way take away the reality that Gods only begotten son in the flesh accompllshed the greatest the greatest achievement which was to believe perfectly who he was and deliver us to His father and ours.
  • Avon Camphor on 2 Timothy 3
    Why don't some people believe in the Bible?
  • Rick Mentzer - in Reply on Philippians 2
    Hey Rod its Rick thanks didn't want to get into all that guess I should have for clarification.
  • Rick Mentzer - in Reply on Exodus 2
    Hi Gary indeed lucifer was In the beginning Gods right hand angel 2nd in command whats really cool is that Jesus CHrist our Lord and saviour now sits at the right hand of Gods throne, tells you the wisdom power and dominion of Almighty God.Also he makes intercession for us 24/7 in a perfect incorruptable body he never sleeps!
  • Steven Spencer - in Reply on Habakkuk 2:9
    Hebrews 1:1-2 (KJV) God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake "IN TIME PAST" unto the fathers by the prophets,

    Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
  • Richard in Christ - in Reply on Deuteronomy 18
    Brother Rob,

    There is no need to get sharp. We are just trying to understand why you say believing Jesus Christ and the Holy Ghost are one with God the Father is "damning". No one is saying Jesus Christ and the Holy Ghost are not OF God. We are saying they are more OF God than anything else in all of creation. Nothing is more OF God than Jesus Christ and the Holy Ghost. It is confusing why you think it is "damning" to believe God is in them, or they in God, more than anything else.

    Please don't think anyone is trying to take anything away from God the Father. Who is of coarse Spirit and the source of all things.

    Also you didn't answer the one question I asked about if you believe Christ existed before He was born on earth. Just a yes or no question. You just asked me if "I understand God was before the creation of world". Which you must not have read John 17:5 I posted for you that answers that question. Jesus stating the glory He had WITH THE FATHER before the world was.

    God Bless.
  • Rick Mentzer - in Reply on John 9
    Gods word says no man knows thats in Gods hands.
  • Rick Mentzer - in Reply on 1 John 4:1
    Not disagreeing with the pride thing because natural man does not believe he needs saved from anything the big ie sin. hence if you don't believe in God then you won't believe in sin then there is no reason for a saviour.
  • Rick Mentzer - in Reply on 1 John 4:1
    Mild Bill no human being can will himself to be saved it was Gods active will ie determined action to be saved by Grace through his son no man can say i will implies he did it, he believed Gods word and will to be delivered he did'nt will it himself. it is Gods will for people to believe His word and get delivered His way.
  • Alex on Genesis 28
    Comments by Alex on the Abrahamic, Issac and Jacob Trinity. Early Israel knew that Abraham Issac and Jacob were the 1 singular FATHER of ISRAEL , But they were 3 distinct beings . Father Son and Granson, Several places in the bible we read about Father Abraham , and Father Issac and Father Jacob The great Promise was made to only these three men that their seed wd be multiplied as the sands of the seas until God made that Promise to Christ impling an Israel of God was coming via the seed of Christ . The Children of Promise the Israel of God that will come in his NAME whosoever receiveth one such child in my NAME receiveth ME Which is the H.G. THE child of Promise. Once ya understand the sower and his seed you will understand the babes and the sucklings our fruit unto God, our new HEART. Thats y he was calling for Elijah to come and turn the hearts of the fathers to the CHILDREN at that last and terrible day. Unless ya receive the Kingdom of God as a lil child you will in NO wise enter there in, A lil CHILD IMPLIES A BIRTH,OUR NEW BIRTH via the seed of the sower . She brought forth a man Child, then John says now is come salvation and the Kingdom of our God and the power of his Christ the CHILD tH H.G. I'M obsessed with the sower and his seed which are the Children of Promise th 2 nd coming . The kingdom of God can only come as th new birth. Thats y he always refers to himself as the SON OF MAN. There is a baby CHRIST in our near future the son of man.
  • Rick Mentzer - in Reply on Genesis 6
    Carol the only righteous people were on the earth at the time of the flood were noah and his family many people think Genesis 6 ;2 refers to beings of the true God not so look up original language translation. Also old testament law forbad any written recording of any spiritual occurance had to have Gods name on it. That does not mean the True God actually did the work. Remember John 10: 9+ 10 the thief cometh not but to steal kill and destroy. Thats the adversary also in corinthians the last enemy to be destroyed is death therefore death is an enemy of God.
  • Duke - in Reply on Psalms 42
    1st Samuel 28_15 was this really Samuel? Remember, he is dealing with a witch, which has a familiar Spirit. (Demon)Spirit. How can she have the power to raise up Samuel?and God certainly doesn't deal with witches.
  • Rick Mentzer - in Reply on Philippians 3:2
    Debra Take a look at 2 Timothy 25&26 also I Timothy 4:1-4 The same thing is still going on You confess Romans 10;9&10 to get born again of Gods Spirit baptism by water not needed.
  • Rick Mentzer - in Reply on Genesis 28
    Take a look at 2 Timothy 25&26 also I Timothy 4:1-4
  • Rick Mentzer - in Reply on Genesis 6
    M Not agreeing with that angels are spiritual beings whether from the true God or messengers from the enemy and spirit cannot have intercourse with flesh and blood.
  • Steven Spencer on Philippians 2
    Alex, here is John 14:16. The comforter in Hebrew. different name and different definition that 2 Samuel 12:24. Greek:

    Transliteration: parakltos

    Pronunciation: par-ak'-lay-tos

    Definition: An intercessor consoler: - advocate comforter.

    KJV Usage: comforter(4x), advocate(1x).

    Occurs: 5

    In verses: 5
  • Steven Spencer on Mark 2:28
    Alex this is comforted drawn from 2 Samuel 12:24. different word and different meaning from comforter in John. Hebrew:

    Transliteration: ncham

    Pronunciation: naw-kham'

    Definition: A primitive root; properly to {sigh} that {is} breathe strongly; by implication to be {sorry} that {is} (in a favorable sense) to {pity} console or (reflexively) rue; or (unfavorably) to avenge (oneself): - comfort ({self}) ease [one s {self]} repent ({-er} {-ing} self).

    KJV Usage: comfort(57x), repent(41x), comforter(9x), ease(1x).

    Occurs: 108

    In verses: 100.
  • M - in Reply on James 2
    He's speaking hypothetically - "For if there come unto your assembly a man with a gold ring, in goodly apparel, and there come in also a poor man in vile raiment;" - key words being "For if".

    That part of the chapter talks about if a rich and poor man came to your house, and you treat the rich man well and the poor man poorly, then "Are ye not then partial in yourselves, and are become judges of evil thoughts?" I'm not fully sure of the literal meaning of that verse, but it seems to mean if you did that you'd be judging people based on their outer appearance instead of who they are inside, and changing how you treat them based on that, which would be a mistake.
  • Steven Spencer - in Reply on 2 Samuel 12
    Hebrew:

    Transliteration: shelmh

    Pronunciation: shel-o-mo'

    Definition: From H7965; peaceful;

    {Shelomoh} David s successor: - Solomon. Definition from the strongs dictionary.
  • Steven Spencer - in Reply on Habakkuk 2:9
    Man of Peace

    Origin. Word/name. Hebrew. Meaning. "Man of Peace". anyway and where you look it up its man of peace. easy to find the Hebrew. Thanks
  • M - in Reply on James 1:8
    This seems to be a chapter describing the 4 cherubim worshiping around the throne of God.
  • M - in Reply on Habakkuk 2:9
    What they say should line up with what the bible says. If they speak against the word of God then they aren't of God. There are false prophets, and to know the difference between the 2 you need to know God's word.


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