Bible Discussion PAGE 39

  • Chris - in Reply on Revelation 12
    David, it is true that Isaiah 14:4ff refers to the king of Babylon, yet it appears that his wickedness was likened to Lucifer (= the shining one). And that not only his rule, but also his destiny would be as assigned to Lucifer. The King probably entertained such thoughts in his heart also, as 'exalting himself above anyone else on Earth or in Heaven even to be equal to God', which he was considered during his rule. So the reference is to the king, but clear allusion to Lucifer, the spirit that controlled the king, both in his mental aspirations & wickedness as a regent.

    As further support, we have Ezekiel chapter 28, where a similar wicked prince is taken over the coals: the Prince of Tyrus. He too made similar claims (v2). Then Ezekiel took up a lamentation over him (vv 12-19) with words that clearly show that the prince could not possibly be the one that is only referred to here (vv 13-16) & that there is another one that perfectly fulfilled this, indeed was instrumental in the prince's behaviour. Words such as 'anointed cherub' & 'perfect in the ways from the day thou was created' can't be applied to the prince, rather strongly reveals Satan who was once pure & holy 'until iniquity was found in thee' who was the prince's influence.

    So the question comes back to your thoughts: 'if angels have no will of their own, how can they then sin'? Herein, our understanding ceases as we're not told how this can happen. But because it happened, we should not remove all references to Satan/Lucifer as one who was never in Heaven as a cherub. And, we're not required to be 'sinless to enter Heaven': we are still saved & sanctified sinners who will be renewed in every way, outfitted for life in Eternity. Only Jesus is seen as a sinless Man now glorified in Body & in worship, at His Father's right Hand.
  • Adam - in Reply on Matthew 5
    Jesus fulfilled the law and Christians who follow Jesus are subject to grace. Those who don't follow Jesus or are lukewarm and only trying to pretend to be a Christian to abuse grace to enjoy committing sin will not be saved and should be afraid of going to hell, in my opinion. Jesus did not abolish the law and if people love Jesus then they are to try hard to avoid sin. God hates sin. Just because someone has grace does not mean a Christian should enjoy committing evil and not worry about avoiding sin. Look at Paul's struggle. Look at Jesus's many many teachings to Christians to avoid sin. Some people are spreading lies claiming sin doesn't even exist. Some are saying its even ok for Christians to kill, commit adultery, fornication, blaphemy, lust, and all kinds of evil, with intention to enjoy it, and no intention to avoid it. The Bible already said that's untrue and sin the the devils temptations and lies we need to put our armor and stay strong to avoid. Romans 6:1. John 14:15
  • Dwight on Genesis 1:1
    Thanks. An odd word, but yes, I looked it up and you're absolutely right.
  • Chris - in Reply on Daniel 5:9
    Astonied does mean Astonished (surprised, wonder, amazed), & is an archaic word from the 14th Century.
  • Stanjett - in Reply on Exodus 2
  • Stanjett - in Reply on Genesis 37
    The antichrist.
  • Bendito Palavra - in Reply on Matthew 5
    Jesus fulfilled the law in his sinless life and obedience unto his sacrificial death on the cross as substitute for sinners, being then raised from the dead for our justification:

    Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life. For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous. (Romans 5:18-19)

    I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain. (Galatians 2:21)

    For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. (Romans 6:14)

    Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God. For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death. But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter. (Romans 7:4-6)

    Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law? For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman. But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise. Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar. For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children. But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all. (Galatians 4:21-26)

    Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage. (Galatians 5:1)

    Also, please read Romans 8.
  • COOL smith on Matthew 24:40
    How could there be a 3 days of darkness, and during the darkness, Christians will be raptured? And 2 in the field , one will be taken, the other left?
  • Cohen on Psalms 91:13
    He shall appoint viceroys. First puts you through some fire though. Sort out the rough edges.

    Powerful stuff :)
  • Jay - in Reply on Daniel 5:9
    danel 10:6 that how the most high look
  • Jay - in Reply on Matthew 6
    what you nationally
  • Johnnie mae thurman where on Psalms 23
    where is agape located in the bible? does agape means love? where are the differ types of love located in the bible.?
  • Linda on Genesis 6
    Why is there never any story told about the sons of God and the daughters of men in chapter 5 v 2 It seems to me that this should be expanded on determining Gods chosen people through Adam.
  • Kenero Brown on Matthew 6
    i want to lean more from this bible, And I want to start over And be baptize in the name of Jesus and the son of god...
  • Dwight Tuinstra on Daniel 5:9
    Is the last word of Daniel 5:9 really "astonied", or should it be "astonished"?
  • WESLEY J BARNARD - in Reply on Ephesians 6
    Sister Shelia,

    I would like to add something to your initial question: Is it not flesh and blood (people) that runs these principalities?

    The answer is yes. Satan the devil has a 'seed', in both the spiritual and physical realms. Remember the conversation Christ had with Satan in the wilderness. Satan displayed for Christ all the kingdoms of this world and offered them to Christ in exchange for one act of worship. He also stated that he has the authority to give it to whomever he chose.

    Thus, we should be aware that this world we live in today is ruled by Satan and he puts in positions of power whomever he chooses. Also he is called 'the god of this world'. (2 Corinthians 4:4) Therefore, the need for the 'spiritual armor' The Most High encourages us to wear for protection in this world - Satan's world.

    Now, your second question: So is it useless to pray for this world?

    The answer is yes and no. Yes, we constantly pray that those we have occasion to speak with might 'hear' our words and withdraw from this wicked world. As Christ said: We are no part of the world, as he was no part of the world. So yes we should pray that some might join us in turning our backs on this dying wicked world we live in today. It is doomed and will be replaced by the Kingdom of God. (Daniel 2:44)

    On the other hand, NO, we do not pray for Satan's continued dominion over the earth. He and his 'seed', visible and invisible must be removed to make room for the Kingdom we were taught by Christ to pray for. Amen.
  • Adam - in Reply on Revelation 12
    Thanks for sharing your thoughts, David, but I disagree with nearly everything you wrote. God bless.
  • David W Black - in Reply on Revelation 12
    You make some good points on fearing God and that there are those that do end up in Hell. However, Angels in Heaven did not sin, nor were the Angels of God cast out of Heaven. Satan was not in Heaven where God dwells and where those saved from sin spend eternity.

    Angels have no will of their own, making it impossible for them to sin. Satan was not an Angel of God that rebelled and was then cast out. Yes there are areas in the Bible that talk about Satan in heavenly places such as in Job, where Satan and God were discussing or debating, whatever we want to call this interaction in consideration of Job. But Satan was never in the Heaven talked about as in Heaven vs Hell, places souls spend eternity.

    The probable area that seems to indicate Satan was in Heaven and cast out is represented in Isaiah 14 starting in verse 4 "...take up this proverb against the king of Babylon..." Here the description of Babylon's king Nebuchadnezzar and his fall from power and being turned into a beast as depicted in Daniel 4 begins. Another depiction of what would happen to the king as told by 2 accounts in 2 different ways. In Isaiah 14:12 we read "How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!" Isaiah 14 is still talking about a man, the king of Babylon. In verse 16 it confirms that a man is still being discussed. "...Is this the man that made the earth to tremble..." Would you call Satan a man? Satan and Lucifer are not the same; Lucifer was an alternate name, a nickname maybe, of Nebuchadnezzar.

    If Angels in Heaven can sin, and you or I can be thrown out of Heaven, does it sound like such a great reward as we otherwise think it to be? Why are we required to be sinless to enter Heaven, yet after arriving we can sin again once there? Isn't part of the reward of gaining Heaven to not be in or around sin, sinful things, and the temptation to sin? Sin and the sinful cannot enter Heaven.
  • Word 76 on 2 Thessalonians 2
    Revelation 12:9 that deception being a future event will happen when Satan is kicked out of heaven to earth and then read up verses 3 and 4 of this chapter of 2 Thess 2 and you will see a supernatural man stand up in Jerusalem claiming he is God returned and don't worship and don't chase after him because he is a liar who brings fake peace and a one world religion. It's a 5 month period cut down from 7 years for the elect sake. It's all in the book of Revelation. Oh, the long haired locust means soft spoken and those iron breastplates are as the priest breastplates that had 12 stones that were used a long time ago so it's priest and preachers in Satans peaceful deception takeover of the world.
  • Adam - in Reply on Proverbs 20
    Hi Tobias,

    The Old Testament was the first writing about God and that book was written in Hebrew, which was the language of the Israelites and Jewish. If I write what God's name in another language it then wouldn't be in English anymore. Also, Hebrew uses different Hebrew characters so its not even possible to write that here and if it was, could you even read it? You can use the parallel view on this site to compare Hebrew to English though. So, it's my opinion that people often get fixated on what the actual names are in 'original' languages, however, my point of view is that we don't speak the original language, but English and it's already translated and correct. God is called God. He is also called Lord. Exodus 15:3. The pronunciation of Lord in English aside from the already-correct 'Lord' with hybrid characters is something like Yahweh, or YHWH, and Jehovah. Isaiah 12:2. Elohim = God in Hebrew.
  • Rachat on Isaiah 45:23
    Hallelujah! glory to the one and true god, even the lord jesus christ
  • Adam - in Reply on Revelation 12
    Hi Claire,

    I think the reason some say baptism is encouraged, but not 'required' is verses like John 3:16.

    However, in my opinion, that's only part of the picture; there's so many other verses to consider like Acts 2:38.

    You already read the scriptures, you already want to do it, and you absolutely should. So, please do it, despite the pastors opinion. Since churches that normally would do this probably do this on a limited basis during the virus, if you don't want to wait any longer, all you need is another person, such as a pastor or minister, to baptize you. You could get permission to be baptized with a church's facilities on another day, or you could do it in a lake, pool, or hot-tub or any number of places that are just as valid. The key is that you know what it symbolizes and its helpful to read the scriptures beforehand so you know exactly what it means.

    May God bless you and congratulations on your decision!
  • Bendito Palavra - in Reply on Revelation 16
    The Church is not commanded to keep the Sabbath. The command is specific to the LORD's covenant with Israel:

    Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant. (Exodus 31:16)

    And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and that the LORD thy God brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm: therefore the LORD thy God commanded thee to keep the sabbath day. (Deuteronomy 5:15)

    Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ. (Colossians 2:16-17)
  • Richard in Christ - in Reply on Revelation 16
    Good day brother Dan,

    I also believe following the Ten Commandments is something the Lord wants us all to do. As really when you become Blessed with the Holy Ghost they are a pretty simple line to follow. Some believe in a slightly different way. Which is fine as them knowing that staying away from sin or "lusts of the flesh" is key which in itself is the same thing. Now being in Christ it does get more broad than just the Ten Commandments. Which I've stated is a good simple outline of our duties. Sadly some believe they cannot sin anymore. Which I won't get into that but it really is sorrowful. Striving to follow Jesus Christ, the best we can, shows God what's really in our hearts. Knowing even if we slip up to stay meek and confess to the Lord. Praying for His never ending Mercy, it shall be ours. He shall direct our paths.

    Keeping everyday Holy is wonderful. Love one another my brothers and sisters!

    Stay producing delightful fruit for the Lord. God Bless you brother.
  • Earl Bowman - in Reply on Revelation 16
    Lionjudah, the Spirit has graced you with truths that most want see, Ezekiel 5:1-4, Zachariah 13:9, Obadiah 17-21, Zachariah 12:7-8, how great to be under the Spirits mercy and grace.
  • Tobias on Proverbs 20
    my comments of the day:

    Where is the name GOD came from?

    What language used the name GOD first?

    Explains the meaning of G.O.D, purpose?

    Thank you so much

    can't wait to hear from you soon

  • Earl Bowman - in Reply on Revelation 16
    Mishael, may the Spirit grace us with his words, you quoted Isaiah 14:11-16. Verse 16 says: They that see thee (king of Babylon) shall narrowly look upon thee (king of Babylon), and consider thee (king of Babylon), saying is this the MAN (king of Babylon) that made the earth to tremble, and that did shake kingdoms. The whole chapter is about the king of Babylon. Ezekiel 28 is talking about the king of Tyrus, Ezekiel 28:12. Satan was a liar and murder from the beginning, no perfection there. The third that fall in Revelation 12:4 is the same third in Zachariah 13:9 and the same third in Ezekiel 5:1-4 and the same third in Revelation 8:7-12. These prophesies are about fire saving mankind not torturing mankind.
  • H J Billingsley - in Reply on Leviticus 18:22
    The bible mentions weddings, but does not give scripture on the way they are to be performed. If it were mentioned then the world would be bound to that method. God establishes governments for his purpose; Ezra 7:25, Titus 3:1. Each government has determined what a marriage ceremony consists of, dealing with each locations laws and customs. As far as I know marriages in one country is recognized by all countries (someone with more knowledge than I might be able to comment on that in depth). The parable of the rich ruler who gave a wedding for his son, mentions a proper wedding garment but does not identify what it is. This parable is more concerned with Christ than earthly weddings but could be applicable. Your question, indicates to me, that you are concerned about a previous marriage and your purity because of it. If your previous husband has died then you are able to remarry Romans 7:2, 1 Corinthians 7:2-3. If the husband is still living I do not believe that the scripture allows remarriage 1 Cor 7:11.
  • Brittany on Revelation 16
    Who is Ashera?
  • Patty Tozi on Psalms 76
    In the quietness of the morning time. No one up yet to enjoy another new day. In these times of unknown happenings--The middle of the Revelation's comes to me. God is close to those who are close to Him. He is there for those that want Him. Sadness around. People walk as they do not understand how and why this is happening. God warned us. He wrote in His words to help us know what to do. But not many understood. Because of Greed and self, they became part of Satan's darkness. Unless you cry out for forgiveness thru His Son's blood He suffered for us-- to be able to walk to the throne of the almighty-- all will be lost. Get on your knees now to ask Him to guide you in these times. No day is promised any more. I now Pray for all that read this to have to make a stand now. Ask for Strength... Protection...Love of His Light to carry you to the end of times.......Be there for the needy...Be there for the Jesus is there for us...

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