Bible Discussion PAGE 373

  • CARLOS RAMIREZ TREVINO - in Reply on Ruth 1:22
    Jesse, you have dissected Colossians 1:16 indisputably well. However, what I am focused on is the "Unto Him", the "For Him" statement in the verse.

    What could Paul have meant by stating that all things were created "Unto" Him?

    Romans 11:36 says essentially the same thing.
  • Chris - in Reply on Matthew 24:38
    Thanks James: I fully agree.
  • EMMANUEL ENIYAN TUNTUN on Tobit 1:4
    Please why were these books (judit, tobit, wisdom of solomon etc.) removed from the bible? (am really blessed in studying them)

    muslims do go against us by saying our bible is no more complete (pls i need urgent clear answer)
  • Jesse - in Reply on Ruth 1:22
    Carlos, here is what I get from Colossians 1:16:

    For by Him, or more literally, in Him. There's a prepositional word there that means in. In Him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, and that's lordships, or principalities, or authorities:

    So He's made everything, both visible and invisible. I look back to Ephesians 6:12 and I see that these listings of dominions, principalities, and powers are ranks of angels. Angels have military rank, both good angels and evil.

    Paul says, For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. The word high places in the Greek means spirit realm. So it seems as though angels have rank.

    But the emphasis here is that in Christ, all things were created, both visible and invisible. Things that are in heaven and things that are upon the earth, all the spiritual creatures, angels, were created in Him. All things were created by Him, and that's the word through. In Greek, it is DIA with the Genitive. All things were created through Him, and for Him: that's the preposition EIS, meaning unto Him, or for Him.

    I'm just sharing what I see from that Verse, not looking for a long drawn out discussion, but just sharing my understanding. I am however curious to see how others see this verse.
  • Jeanette Throgmorton on Psalms 1
    Psalms35:20
  • CARLOS RAMIREZ TREVINO - in Reply on Matthew 24:38
    James Brooks. You bring up a good point on Predestination, Election and spreading the Word. It brings to mind that the Law was given to stress that all men have sinned. The Word was given to convict us of that sin. The Law condemns us. The Word gives us life. John 3 and Romans 5.

    The Law of Moses placed all mankind under sin, even those that followed that were not directly disobedient to God. The Law cannot reconcile us to God. Only Jesus can do that. Therefore, it is essential that people hear about Jesus. See also Romans 8:29-30: "For those God foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brothers. And those He predestined He also called; those He called He also justified; those He justified He also glorified."

    Ephesians 1 and John 10 are clear. God has given Jesus a flock and He will not lose a single one. So, the Call goes out for the Sheep.
  • Jesse on Romans 13
    Robert,

    I was unable to respond, as the thread was locked for additional comment. So I am responding here.

    The parable of the sower describes four different heart conditions. The condition you bring up is the person represented by the stony ground. They get excited about the things the Lord. They began to blossom with their emotion right away. You begin to see those signs above ground, and it appears to be instant growth. So this person gets excited, but then when it's time to start maturing in the Lord, which comes through trials and tribulations, that person is immediately offended.

    They don't have that happy feeling anymore, they are not excited anymore. Now it is time for growth. Now it is time to settle down with the Lord, and they get offended and they leave. That person was never saved. This is not a person that was once saved, and then walked away and lost their salvation. They were never saved, period.

    In the Parable of the Sower, there's only one person out of these four that are saved. Only one person bears the fruit of salvation, and that's our number four man. None of the other three bear fruit, meaning none of the other three represent salvation.

    It seems as though you are saying that belief in a pre-tribulation rapture would cause someone to be persecuted, or perhaps cause them to forfeit their salvation? Am I just misunderstanding you? Jesus said we can expect persecution for His name's sake. It should be no surprise to us if we are persecuted for identifying with Christ. Thanks for caring about me. I care about you also. But don't be too concerned for me because I believe in Pre-trib. That will not separate me from Christ. I thank you for the YouTube invite, but something deep inside my spirit tells me I need to be cautious, so I will respectfully decline.
  • Olanrewaju on Matthew 24:38
    Where did Cain got his wife, since we were told according to the Bible, Adam and Eve were the first human being created by God?
  • Rose - in Reply on Psalms 43
    I agree with Pixir. Eventhough people are wicked and some do abominable things to their fellow humans, I am saying we should find a place in our hearts to forgive them (and I am speaking to myself as well). Because believe it or not, the enemy is responsible for their acts. They do not know what they are doing until the act has been completed and then they regret ever doing it.

    The enemy do not want to go to shoal alone. He wants to drag as many of God's children along with him. So please instead of you to pray that God punish whoever has done any wrong to you, pray that the enemy's punishment should be increased by the number of those he is deceiving and dragging with him. I think we should also pray that God give us the ability to recognize the enemy's tricks and pray that we be not deceived.
  • Jesse - in Reply on Hebrews 10
    (Part 2)

    I hope you understand what this verse is saying. Jesus Christ was the final sacrifice for sin. There is no more sacrifice for sin. Those Hebrew people who were being enlightened to the truth had to choose between accepting Christ's final sacrifice for sin, or going turning away and going back to their own sacrificing.

    Please know this. If you have received Christ (Been born of His Spirit), He lives inside of you. He promised to never leave you, nor forsake you. You are eternally secure in Christ if you have been born of His Spirit. Also understand, that even though you're saved, you will sin. As long as you live in a body of flesh, you will sin. However, you will be unable to live a lifestyle of sin because Christ's Spirit in you will not allow you to do so. There will be conviction. You will commit single acts of sin, but it is impossible for a saved person to live a lifestyle of sin, their former lifestyle before receiving Christ.

    Please do not be troubled in heart. If you have Christ, you'll always have Christ. He's not leaving you!
  • Mishael on Isaiah 66
    Yassir, you accuse Paul, accuse people in this room defending scripture about Paul the Apostle. In essence, you are accusing Jesus, my Lord and Savior!

    We know who THE ACCUSER is.
  • Jesse - in Reply on Hebrews 10
    Rich,

    I'm going to have to break this up. I would like to share this with you in hope that it might ease your mind. There are some who use Hebrews 10:26 to show that a person can lose their salvation. That is not what this verse is saying. Hebrews 10:26 says "For if we sin willfully, that is, we go back to serving the principle of sin, after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more sacrifice for sins.

    If you go back to Chapter 6, those who were enlightened, that are no longer coming for fellowship, just because they were enlightened doesn't mean they're saved. The Lord can enlighten someone as to the knowledge of the truth, they know the truth, they have seen the truth, they understand the truth, but have never surrendered their life to Christ.

    Now if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more sacrifice for sins. This is what the writer is saying. He's talking to Hebrew people who were following along and being enlightened to the truth about Christ. But when it came time for them to make a decision to give up Judaism and surrender their life to Christ, many of them would leave because of the price they would have to pay. If they received Christ, they would be banned from their own temple, they would lose their jobs, their family would disown them. So they chose to go back into Judaism because surrendering to Christ would be too hard. The writer is telling them that if they go back into old Judaism, you're not going to find any sacrifice there that's going to take care of your sin problem if you leave Christ.

    More to follow.
  • Dot - in Reply on Hebrews 10
    Also, Rich, verses 10:26-39 is a warning dealing with the sin of apostasy, an intentional falling away. He is NOT talking about himself or genuine believers. I recommend getting a Study Bible, as they explain many, many things in the Bible we may not understand. I LOVE mine. David Jeremiah's study Bible is excellent, I have that one & also John Macarthur's.
  • Margaret Hope - in Reply on Proverbs 18:24
    Hello Tina, I have taken an online course in Theology and got my BA Degree in such so I may also teach the Bible Scriptures to the children and teenagers in my community. I have a 28 year old daughter in another state, whom I use to teach a Bible study with, but God has other plans for as well, as soon as the opportunity comes for me to teach scriptures to others. I believe as you mentioned: "I wish we could remove the false traditions of men that Satan keeps us separate and fearful of one another" that we can stand strong in teaching the Word of God to those who have never had a chance to read the Bible or have never heard God's Word before. I pray that God will give you guidance in fulfilling your duties of spreading the Word of God in any way you can do possibly and help in saving the lives of others in salvation around the world. May God give us wisdom and knowledge to spread the study of the Biblical Scriptures to all areas of the globe as we can..In Jesus name I pray. Amen!
  • Mishael on Ruth 1:22
    I did a study just on the word Wisdom and was speechless over how much information is in the Bible. That will blow your mind.
  • Philip - in Reply on 1 Samuel 20
    good! report
  • Philip Kornev on 1 Samuel 20
    Yea,Saul was jealous of David.
  • Dot - in Reply on Hebrews 10
    What immediately came to my mind is

    1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive our sins and cleanse us from ALL unrighteousness. (Also continue on thru 2:2) The fear you feel is NOT from God, for God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of power and love and a sound mind. 11 Timothy 1:7 But satan, the liar who comes to kill, steal & destroy has gripped you. Cast off his lies IN JESUS NAME!!!!! I pray this helps to bring His peace into your soul. Get into the Word & see what God says, then you'll know the truth, & satan's lies will be more obvious to you.
  • Mishael On I John 19 - in Reply on Hebrews 10
    Stay a while in 1 John and his other books.

    In 1 John 2:1 it says that if you sin and Satan drags you up before the Throne of God, you have an ADVOCATE (sitting at Gods right arm). Jesus, your Advocate and attorney. He checks the Lambs Book of Life, sees your name written in it, and your case is dismissed for lack of evidence. Your sins have been blotted out with His blood.

    It doesn't mean we can run amok and sin all over the place. We are to put ourselves in the Holy Spirits leadership, teaching; conviction when we do sin.

    Fear hath torments. That's a demon with many little demons. It's their job to shake your faith in Jesus. The spirit of death causes some people to take their lives. They know they have no rights to do any of that to a Jesus trusting Christian.

    In 1 John 1:9 you will learn to run to the Cross if you do sin and confess; be forgiven; renewed. I go there a lot.

    We are washed clean by constantly renewing our minds with the Word of God. Your Bible. If we don't furnish our "homes" with Bible teaching; prayer: demons come back around to see if you have an opening for them. You can make them leave!

    Say what you've learned: IT IS WRITTEN... and speak your scripture that you've planted in your heart.

    You'll get so strong that you'll be able to help other people get freed as well.

    Now go read Romans 8:1-2. Read all of Romans 8. Read Book of John 8:32

    You did good coming here :)
  • Adam - in Reply on Isaiah 66
    Hello, why do you assume Paul is illiterate? The apparent contradiction of the word 'voice' of the these 2 verses of Acts doesn't mean automatically mean Paul is lying. The men heard a sound but didn't understand the words of the voice. 22:9 says "heard not the voice of him that spake to me" means the words were not understood. The original Greek word appears to be a flexible one that is sometimes translated to 'sound', like in John 3:8.
  • Portia on Leviticus 17
    Though a man gets sick because of his sins, that's because sin has been passed down to every living person on earth from the fall of adam. it is he who passed sin on to all. we all, therefore have a sinful nature, and we will die because of it, whether we get sick or not. we can be killed and die in so many other ways. it does not matter. we all will die the natural death, some to honor and some to damnation. yet, because god in his grace has imputed righteousness to us who were and are undeserving, to be saved. we still have the struggle in us to sin, but we who are his called, live for eternity. for now, we live in a dark world; a world of sin. we are to be the light and salt for sinner
  • Leah - in Reply on Deuteronomy 24:4
    Yes I love reading what everyone has written here. We do need prayer from all..God help us all to have understanding of your word so we can walk like Jesus and knowing that no one comes to the father but through your son Jesus Christ. God give love to all. Thank you Leah
  • Rich on Hebrews 10
    Hebrews 10 vs 26-27 say if we sin willfully, does that mean if we sin on purpose deliberately with Full knowledge of what we are doing, we can never turn to repentance? Is the rest of our lives spent with foreboding and fear knowing hell is our destination? Because I cant seem to find Jesus anymore from the very second I wake up until I finally go to sleep I'm in fear , I have absolutely no joy in my life, I do my best to lead others to Christ but inside I feel like I've made an eternal mistake, and I dont want anyone else to make it
  • CARLOS RAMIREZ TREVINO - in Reply on Isaiah 66
    If I can jump in and maybe shed some light on this. In Galatians 1:12, Paul says:

    "I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it; rather, I received it by revelation from Jesus Christ."

    When John wrote the Revelation, He received it from Christ Himself. But if there is a question as to whether Paul met the qualifications to be an Apostle proper, we are told Paul went to Jerusalem, met with the Apostles and they, themselves, approved him as an Apostle to the Gentiles. Peter also refers to what Paul writes as "Scripture" 2 Peter 3:16.

    Acts 9:5-7, "Who are you, Lord?" Saul asked. "I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting," he replied. "Now get up and go into the city, and you will be told what you must do." The men traveling with Saul stood there speechless; they heard the sound but did not see anyone."

    This event is also recounted in Acts 22. So what are we to believe? Did Paul see Jesus? Well, He says he did. Others can attest to the fact that what Paul said on the Road to Damascus was True. Ananias was also a witness. And the Apostles confirmed it and appointed him Apostle to the Gentiles, as Christ told him. Furthermore, Pauls life, work, letters, sacrifice all testify to the fact that he did see Jesus and was taught by Him. In fact, the Bible says he was "told" by God and Jesus what to say.

    If we doubt everything the Bible says, we have nowhere to go. If we doubt what Paul said, we have to doubt the entire New Testament.
  • Chris on Ruth 1:22
    To Carlos, our discussion page has now been locked, as you've probably noticed. So, I'll to post this afresh & hope you see it.

    To your comment with the lead statement, "discussion leads to growth, edification, faith and maturity." I may have grown in my faith in a similar way to you. I had a lot of teaching when attending Church as an unsaved young person. After salvation in my mid-20s, I knew I had to undo everything, get into the Word properly & methodically, & find out what God is really saying. I realize that many have done much more study than me, but it remained in my heart that I needed to sit & listen to the Holy Spirit first & then hear man speak.

    I too have never fitted into any denomination & it becomes interesting when having to explain why that is so. And I doubt, that any believer who is studying God's Word intently, would ever really agree on everything a denomination stands on & preaches. I think that type of variety is very appropriate, as we individually search the Scriptures & formulate our understanding based on the Light received. I have my own understanding of the Ordinances given to us, particularly in the performance of them; I reject the Health/Wealth teaching; the requirement for the proper biblical use of the Spiritual Gifts, & even to what we've been discussing at length: the proper understanding of the Creation account. As you can see, I've been prepared to sit with you on this one, as it too has exercised my understanding of the Scriptures in a way I didn't think was possible. However, my conviction is: 'if something is not clearly revealed in the Word, then just accept what is seen & understood'. By clear revelation, I mean, after a thorough examination of all Scripture over the matter. Yes, you could be right in your assumptions about Creation, but I just don't accept as fact something that is unclear in the Word & then have to entertain possibilities or probabilities for everything that follows after it.
  • CARLOS RAMIREZ TREVINO on Matthew 24:38
    Mishael, in response to 2 of your posts, Angels are created beings. We see that in Colossians 1:16. They were created to serve. They are not human and Jesus Himself said they don't procreate. He further added that there is no marriage in Heaven. Our existence there will be completely different than what it is now. Some people are of the opinion they will continue to lead a Human life, marrying, having children, going to work from 8-5. But that is fiction. We will be completely transformed. So much so, that the closest Disciples of Jesus didn't even recognize Him when He appeared to them after the Resurrection. How different was He? He sat with them. He talked to them. He ate with them. And they had no clue.

    Paul tells us that our mortal bodies will put on immortality when Christ returns and calls us to be with Him for all eternity. Our bodies will be incorruptible. Our minds will be incorruptible. Out hearts will be incorruptible.

    We have been taught to believe that all Creation is about us; about our welfare, our joy, our delight in God, our enjoyment, our families. But is that was what our earthly creation was for? Where we created for us or for Christ? Where the Angels created for themselves or to serve God?

    It is also a fiction that Angels can assume all the biological functions of Humans and procreate with them. They can't.
  • Chris - in Reply on Matthew 24:38
    Thanks James, I agree with your comments. Evangelism must go on regardless as we are not privy to God's predestining & the Gospel must be heard by all, even those who won't respond so that might hear of God's Love.
  • CARLOS RAMIREZ TREVINO on Ruth 1:22
    Joshua on Colossians 1:15 brought up an interesting question. Who is Jesus? Is He God Devine or a created being God promoted to a higher position? There is a related Central theme in Scripture we often don't pay a lot of attention to. Even Preachers seem to skip over it when referencing it. But if you don't fully understand it, the rest of Scripture becomes difficult.

    I am asking the following question for all who would like to respond, on Colossians 1:16,

    "For in Him all things were created, things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities. All things were created through Him and FOR Him."

    I have discussed this a little with others, but I would like to look at it on its own. From:

    PURPOSE DRIVEN CREATION

    Book

    Q: What does the word FOR mean? What does it mean that all things were created FOR Him?
  • CARLOS RAMIREZ TREVINO - in Reply on Colossians 1
    My 3rd Response, Joshua. In Isaiah 53 Jesus is called, "The Eternal Father, The Mighty God." Again, JW focus on "Mighty" as not equal to Almighty, making Jesus inferior. They won't deal with "Eternal Father". They don't know what to do with it. But Jesus is the Eternal Father, John 14:7-9:

    "If you had known Me, you would know My Father as well. From now on you do know Him and have seen Him." Philip said to Him, "Lord, show us the Father, and that will be enough for us." Jesus replied, "Philip, I have been with you all this time, and still you do not know Me? Anyone who has seen Me has seen the Father. How can you say, 'Show us the Father'?"

    Jesus is Human and Devine. Not angelic.
  • Chris - in Reply on Isaiah 66
    Page 3.

    And a side note: I don't understand what your 'Paul's theology' reference is. Paul (then Saul), was devout Pharisee, a Jew of the Jews, believing he obeyed every Law. He hated Jesus & His followers & put many to death. He received a revelation from Heaven that would shake his being to the core. (Acts 9:3-7). What was that revelation? That this Jesus Whom he persecuted (i.e. against his followers) was alive from the dead & speaking to him from Heaven. So Paul's letters to the Churches were not from his own private thoughts & interpretations; He was a strict Pharisee would couldn't divert from the Law - not until He met the risen Christ, the fulfilment of that Law.


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