Bible Discussion PAGE 35

  • Daniel Raymond Gibbs on Revelation 12
    why wasn't Lot punished for offering his daughters as ***ual pawns to the angels. And for getting drunk with wine from his daughters and impregnating them.

    Lot and his Daughters laid with the Devil, and should have been destroyed by GOD. I for many years stayed away from the Bible, and always thought it was a book of goodness, but this act of evil by Lot and his Daughters, has turned my mind from by what this book was supposed to represent. When I addressed this to a few friends, they just said that all evil lays with us even today. That is not an answer for such evils to go on without punishment by GOD! I will continue to read on with this book, but will not allow this act to leave my mind.
  • Chris - in Reply on Genesis 1
    So true, Mishael. Yet, I always, through a medium such as this where one only sees the person's words & considers them as if genuine & searching, then one ought to give as accurate a response as possible based on Scripture & the Spirit's moving. As well, I always think of those who don't write in, but in their search for answers or in a desperate state, they might be drawn to KJB Online seeking help. I ask myself: how would it be if they only saw one comment, & then accepting that to be true, since there were no further comments or challenges to consider?

    Actually, I despise being argumentative, yet for the Truth's sake, there is a clear warrant for standing up for one's beliefs & on the other side of the coin, that I too might gain some insight or understanding in a matter that I was unclear about. I have enjoyed some great 'debates' over the time, & mostly I've learned what a diverse lot we are as Christians, in how we understand the Scriptures from personal study & what we accept as Truth as coming from the pulpit or from authors. And yet, in spite of our sometimes very divergent understanding of the Scriptures, the Lord still loves us so much & I'm sure longs for that time (as we too wait) when all these 'debatable' things will be clearly understood & the hidden things revealed. Yet certain Truths must be tenaciously held onto & defended. All your comments Mishael, are appreciated, especially matters concerning the spirit world, to which most of us are sadly ignorant or even pretend don't exist. As you know, most of our activity on Earth is greatly influenced by what is unseen.
  • Richard in Christ - in Reply on Deuteronomy 6:18
    Just on what you stated about me. You can call me all the names you want. When one says be "careful" that means to exercise caution or be mindful. Like when someone says to a child "look both ways before you cross the street!" It's not a threat. It's because I, or they, care about that person.

    May the Lord Bless you with knowledge and peace. Love one another.
  • Wayne - in Reply on Deuteronomy 6:18
    so why is God setting rules for his people to follow . Its literally robbing a human being of their entire life, liberty and pursuit of happiness in order to gain money off of their labor. I dont care if slaves had accommodations at the four seasons, if they still were someone's property with no freedom to act on their own desires, life goal, ability to fulfill their potential and had no rights as an equal, only to be used as free labor. How anyone could claim that there is any context where that would be ok?, I don't care what time in history it was, God should have not only condemned this but actually punished slave owners not make rules for it. Genesis chapter 17, verse 12: Exodus chapter 12 verse 43: Exodus Chapter 21, verse 1: Exodus Chapter 21, verse 20Exodus Chapter 21, verse 32: Leviticus Chapter 22, verse 10: Leviticus Chapter 25, verse 44: Luke, Chapter 7, verse 2:Colossians, chapter 3, verse 22: Titus, chapter 2 verse 9: new testament jesus said1st Peter 2:18 slave submit yourself to your masters with all respect not only the good and gentle ones but also the cruel.
  • Rob - in Reply on Genesis 1
    If you understand who the Father of all is and that he is the one God and father of Jesus his only son then you will understand the Bible . Jesus coming from God is certainly God manifest in the flesh .

    It's really that simple .

    Many places in scriptures can be applied in many ways but false in the application this how cults form .

    People that believe what you are selling are in error.

    To try to convince people in error is impossible unless God through his Holy Spirit can reach them . It requires an honest effort to know the truth even if it's not popular .

    I find many verses applied in error .

    Just like the law of marriage it's really simple , but men have found ways to get what they want through miss applied verses .

    Yes we are in dark days in the churches !

    I left them long ago ! And have no regrets! I will pray for you Chris nothing personal these false teachings started with the Roman Catholic Church almost 400 yrs after the NT .

    I'm with the apostles teachings , nothing more .
  • Wayne - in Reply on Deuteronomy 6:18
    Its literally robbing a human being of their entire life,

    liberty and pursuit of happiness in order to gain money off of their

    labor. I don't care if slaves had accommodations at the four

    seasons, if they still were someone's property with no freedom to act

    on their own desires, life goal, ability to fulfill their potential and had

    no rights as an equal, only to be used as free labor or as sex slaves How anyone could claim

    that there is any context where that would be ok, I don't care what

    time in history it was, God should have not only condemned this but

    actually punished slave owners like gays or unruly kids. Genesis chapter 17, verse 12: Exodus chapter 12 verse 43:

    Exodus Chapter

    21, verse 1: Exodus Chapter 21, verse 20

    Exodus Chapter 21, verse 32:

    Leviticus Chapter 22, verse 10:

    Leviticus Chapter 25, verse 44: Luke, Chapter

    7, verse 2:

    Colossians, chapter 3, verse 22:

    Titus, chapter 2 verse 9:
  • Wayne - in Reply on Deuteronomy 6:18
    here God tells Moses what he should do [Numbers 31:17 through 18 now therefore kill every male among the little ones and kill every woman who has known man intimately but all the girls who have not known man it's a mid-lease pair for yourself] and here God is setting the rules for his people that owned slaves [Exodus Chapter 21, verse 20:

    If a man beats his male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies as a direct result, he must be punished, but he is not to be punished if the slave gets up after a day or two, since the slave is his property.]

    God is also completely comfortable with the concept of beating your slaves, as long as you don't kill them. [Leviticus Chapter 25, verse 44:

    Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. You can will them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelite's ruthlessly.]

    Here God states where you may purchase your slaves, and clearly specifies that slaves are property to be bought, sold and handed down. and this is what Jesus has to say about .[1st Peter 2:18 slave submit yourself to your masters with all respect not only the good and gentle ones but also the cruel.] shouldn't the Bible say, "Slavery is wrong -- you may have no slaves"? Shouldn't one of the Commandments say, "thou shalt not enslave"? Ephesians 6:5

    New International Version

    Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ. Colossians 3:22

    New International Version

    Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything; and do it, not only when their eye is on you and to curry their favor, but with sincerity of heart and reverence for the Lord.
  • Amanda Wilson on Esther 2
    I love reading of the great women in the bible. Just finished the book of Ruth.
  • Mishael - in Reply on Genesis 1
    I doubt that if it was all translated into Greek or Hebrew, it would convince. The Pharisees knew all of the scriptures but they still did not believe and refused to believe Jesus was the Messiah they had preached about. It would've meant that there was One greater than themselves.

    Their security of income would end. It would be like telling the Pope, you're fired: the true Messiah is here. People can pray to Jesus and be forgiven now.

    God knew this would happen just as it is. If He wrote on the sky with His finger, they would denounce it; call it a lying wonder.

    The evangelist in my spirit says that there are still many who Will believe Jesus is who scripture says He is. Over 100 scriptures were fulfilled on the event of Jesus's crucifixion. Those odds alone prove He is who scripture says He is.

    There's an ocean of people who will believe. If people are stubborn resistant, it tells me that the Holy Spirit is not drawing those people. They need prayer and fasting. We can say a prayer for them and ask Jesus to draw them on cords of love.

    You feel like giving up till you remember how Jesus ministered. He cast out the devils and then the person is healed and in their right mind.

    Be at peace that you always give it your best effort; then move along to those who are Ready to hear Truth.

    The Lord bless and keep you, Chris.
  • HENRY on Mark 3
    What date did jesus pick the disciples
  • Chris - in Reply on Genesis 1
    Rob, there is an abundance of evidence of Jesus' Life & Form prior to His incarnation. How then do you understand one of the first references I shared, John 1:1-14? Everything we need to know about Jesus is there in those verses: His very Nature as the Word of God, His part in God's creative work, & His absolute divinity being set aside (in part) so that He could become Man, a Servant, for our sake.

    We would have to reject Scripture as our authority or at least find multiple flaws in them, to be persuaded that the Christ of the NT is simply a created Holy Being. Even the JWs are pressed to use another word in Colossians 1:15 for 'firstborn' = 'prototokos' to read 'first created' = 'protokitises' to support their belief as you subscribe to. So, we can do whatever we want with Scriptures if we're so inclined, yet the proofs are before us all.
  • Chris - in Reply on Genesis 1
    Great verses Bendito. The Lord gave me John 8:58 this morning & then I found your comment confirming the preciousness of that Scripture. Even the Lord's use of "I am" should give us a clear instance of Jesus' declaration of divinity.
  • Chris - in Reply on Genesis 1
    A couple of great pertinent verses that you have given, Richard. There's certainly an abundance of proofs of our Lord's Divinity. Thank you.
  • Earl Bowman - in Reply on 1 Corinthians 3:14
    Jesse, may the Spirit grace you with understanding, everyone receives the same reward. The reward is Christ (eternal life). To him that overcometh will I give: Revelation 2:7 the tree of life (Christ) Revelation 2:10 crown of life (Christ) Revelation 2:17 a white stone (Christ) Revelation 22:28 the morning star (Christ) Revelation 3:5 white raiment (Christ) Revelation 3:12 a pillar in the temple (Christ) Revelation 3:21 set with me in my throne (Christ)

    We earn nothing; the gift of God is eternal life 1 Timothy 6:16 Who (Christ) only hath immortality.......
  • Sj - in Reply on 1 Timothy 2:12
    That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world

    But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ

    For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;

    Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace

    And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby

    And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.

    For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father

    Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;

    And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;

    In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord
  • Adam - in Reply on Deuteronomy 6:18
    Hi Wayne,

    I noticed you wrote: "shouldn't the Bible say, "Slavery is wrong -- you may have no slaves"?"

    First, the Bible doesn't say slavery is morally right anywhere. If you assume that, please state where you think it says that. It says the opposite, though. Not every sin is explained in detail as a comprehensive list as what not to do. Matthew 22:36-40 - 2 greatest commandments say love your neighbor. You can't enslave someone beyond their will and be loving, so its obviously wrong.

    There's a verse people commonly cite which is addressed to slaves to be content. Just because something is addressed to someone doesn't mean it's ok.

    To anyone who reads the Bible and seeking to know God and emulate Jesus's character it's obvious that slavery and oppressing others is wrong if someone is actually, not everything morally wrong is specifically stated in the Bible, because there's countless ways to harm others. It also doesn't say to not look at pornography and isn't specific to all sexual sins, but if someone made that argument, they would obviously be using a logical fallacy too.

    The Bible is full of examples to be kind and loving to each other. Example: Zechariah 7:9-10.

    The Bible is also a book of history and real historical things documented, including many negative things. So a common fallacy is people assume just because it says something in the Bible means it's morally ok. No, there was death, slavery, and horrible things happening in that time and it doesn't mean it was morally allowed by God. Everyone will be judged fairly. Slavery was one of the many unfortunate ways people suffered back then- over a million Israelites were slaves in Egypt.

    There was also a form of servitude back then which was common for the culture- which was closer to a job in some cases, even though people enjoy calling it slavery in order to strengthen their argument. You can go to a kibbutz today in Israel if you want and see what it's like- would that make you a slave? Volunteering for something to get something in return isn't slavery.
  • Earl Bowman - in Reply on 1 Timothy 2:12
    Lidya, the Spirit of understanding be with you. Isaiah 46:3-4 ..... which (you) are borne (carried) by me (Christ) from the belly (birth), which (you) are carried (by Christ) from the womb (birth). (vs) 4 And even to your old age am I he; and even to hoar hairs will I (Christ) carry you; I (Christ) have made (created you), and I (Christ) will bear; even I (Christ) will carry; and deliver you. Jesus told his disciples that the Son of Man was sent to be a servant; isn't it nice that Jesus does everything for us; therefore, we can cease from our works and come into his rest.
  • Wayne - in Reply on Deuteronomy 6:18
    to uncomfortable for you to talk about? [new testament ]1st Peter 2:18 slave submit yourself to your masters with all respect not only the good and gentle ones but also the cruel, Doesn't it seem that an all-loving, just God would think of slavery as an abomination just like any normal human being does? If a all-knowing, all-loving God had written the Bible, shouldn't the Bible say, "Slavery is wrong -- you may have no slaves"? Shouldn't one of the Commandments say, "thou shalt not enslave"? not give rules on how you can beat them .this is my question if you cant answer that's fine but don't answer just to chastise me for asking a question that you don't like it makes you look like a coward, making threats on gods behalf is not very christian .
  • Earl Bowman on Revelation 12
    HELL, do these scriptures prophesy HELL. God loves his enemies as he teaches us to love our enemies.

    Amos 3:7 Surely the Lord God will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.



    Psalms 22:27 All the ends of the world shall remember, and turn unto the Lord, and all the kindred of the nations shall worship before thee.



    Psalms 65:2 O Thou that hearest prayer, unto thee shall all flesh come.

    Psalms 66:4 All the earth shall worship thee and shall sing unto thee; they shall sing to thy name. Selah.

    I Timothy 4:10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, WHO IS THE SAVIOUR OF ALL MEN, specially those that believe.
  • Sj - in Reply on 1 Timothy 2:12
    Matthew 4:4

    "But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God."

    Ephesians 4:27

    "Neither give place to the devil."
  • Jhordyn - in Reply on Revelation 12
    Thank you all for the support!
  • Jhordyn - in Reply on Revelation 12
    Thank you!
  • Jhordyn - in Reply on Revelation 12
    Thank you so much may God bless you!
  • Sara J. - in Reply on Revelation 12
    Marie k,

    Wow, it sounds like you are going through a lot right now. I hope you will be able to get through it quickly and smoothly. I will be praying for you.

    Sara J.
  • 1 Corinthians 3-14 what kind of reward will someone received if his foundation remains?

    is his reward for soul saving? or walking in the spirit.?

    Jesse

    thank you
  • Lidya on 1 Timothy 2:12
    Please share with me some Bible verses on how to continue my walk with God.
  • Anonymous - in Reply on Revelation 12
    wen's yur burthda jhordin?
  • Anonymous - in Reply on Revelation 12
    elaine vavasseur, howd yur sis pass?
  • Earl Bowman - in Reply on Genesis 1
    Rob, may the Spirit grace us with truth, Adam was also born of God.
  • Earl Bowman - in Reply on Psalms 8
    Mild Bill, the Spirit grace us with understanding, when you take a kernel of corn and plant it in fertile moist ground it dies and is reborn a green growing stalk that looks nothing like the SEED that was planted. As time passes it puts out an ear that continues to grow and little kernels of immature seed are attached to the ear. When the SEED is mature the green growing stalk naturally dies, no matter how moist and fertile the ground is. The harvester comes and harvest the crop. The SEED that is harvested is EXACTLY like the SEED that was planted and when you plant one of the new SEED it's SEED will be exactly like the SEED planted. This is the multiplication process that the Spirit has put upon all things; whether they be natural plants or animals or Spirit beings, the process does not change.


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