Bible Discussion PAGE 348

  • Jim on John 1:3
    Thank you God for knowing exactly what we need, in life to get to heaven.you gave us your very best, our Lord and savior Jesus Christ. And thank you father for allowing your only begotten son to suffer and die for a wicked fool like me. Thank you lord for another day that the Lord has made let us rejoice and be glad in it. Halleujah glory to god.in reference to John chapter 1.
  • Willie - in Reply on Acts 2:38
    Thank you all so very much
  • Darryl on 1 Timothy 1
    What does Paul mean in versus 20 of 1 Timothy ?
  • Elizabeth on Psalms 109
    This is a blessing to read when under persecution. God is Great and the wicked beware! AMEN!
  • Cee Cee - in Reply on Genesis 3
    Death is a state of sleep. Anyone who dies is at sleep until Jesus returns. Jesus is returning to set his kingdom East in Jerusalem. Jesus and elect will reign 1000 years.
  • Wendy on Psalms 91
    Readings on mentoring
  • Chris - in Reply on James 4
    Carl, I agree that God knows all things - if He didn't, He wouldn't be the God that the Bible reveals to us.

    No, I didn't say that "God did not know that Satan was (not?) going into the garden". I said, "that God didn't put Satan there". There's a difference between knowing & putting/inviting. God knows all things, but in this instance, as with Job, God didn't cause (or invite) that action to be performed.

    God has control over everything, but does He intrude into our choices, even Satan's? Yes, God allowed Satan to "attack Job". But did God put Satan there or even invited him to do what he (Satan) wanted? The Scripture tells us that Satan instigated the desire to test Job & God gave him permission, albeit with a caveat.

    "Why did God let Satan tempt Eve". Sure, God could have prevented this happening, simply by stopping Satan from getting close to her (them). How long would this have lasted? Ok, so maybe by doing this, they would remain innocent, but to their descendants, would Satan not try again to cause mankind to rebel & sin against God? Or, do you feel that God should be able to stop Satan from pursuing this evil act against every human in all generations?

    In this temptation to Adam & Eve, I see that God made us "in His image, after His likeness", unlike His other creation. What does this tell us about these distinctive godly qualities in man? We can think, reason, choose, communicate, etc. With those godly traits, I see God would allow man to avail them for whatever purpose he chose. But since they were innocent, obviously the demonstration of those traits would have been in wholesome purity & godliness. If another comes along to change all that (e.g. Satan), it is still the same trait that would also be exercised towards him. Unfortunately, for them & us, they chose wrongly. But God in His great Design, had a rescue Plan.
  • Kathy Baldwin - in Reply on Matthew 7:2
    thank you so much...I have one more question...what, when and where is the rapture?
  • Chris - in Reply on 2 Chronicles 10
    Andrea, I can see how the comment is difficult to understand. Going over it again & again, I have to assume that Davies is stating that God is aloof from His Creation. That it is up to us to do the right things in life, according to his commandments. That regeneration of the spirit is unnecessary. Though there are elements of truth/reality there, the basic assumption of living a good life is our responsibility without the need for God's intervention. So, his comment is simply based on his perceptions & not biblically based. And the Bible clearly states, that unless we are born again, we cannot see the Kingdom of God (John 3:3).
  • Chris - in Reply on John 5:43
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    To restate, I've always been a firm post-Tribber, even to the disappointment of my former Fellowship ('80/'90s), but in my studies (as from my comments here), I'm convinced that God's dealing with the world (both now & in the end times) must be distinct for each family: whether the family of God or the family of Satan.
  • Chris - in Reply on John 5:43
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    Secondly, the Rapture is taught by Paul as a Mystery (1 Corinthians 15:51-53) & alluded to by Peter (2 Peter 2:4-9). Even though the prophets in the OT spoke of future events that they had no knowledge of, it became something that was revealed later on, whether in the OT or NT. So too with Christ's Coming: this great day had been spoken of in the OT & again by Jesus, but it was only through Paul that showed that the Day of the Lord had another important matter attached to it, viz. the removal of the saints prior to the Great Tribulation. How did he learn this? Paul doesn't enlighten us.

    Thirdly, the event described in 1 Thes 4:15-17 can be simply understood that the saints will be 'snatched away' & taken to be with the Lord (in Heaven), before the Wrath of God is poured out (on Earth). If this passage is applied to His physical Second Coming for his people, then is it then just a physical removal from various nations to be transported to Jerusalem? Maybe, the impossibility of quickly obtaining an air ticket or visa for Israel would unnecessarily delay matters, hence the 'free ride in the sky'. I have to understand this Rapture as a removal, to Heaven, of the Saints, as the spectacle of God's Judgement is laid open to all in His Presence.

    Fourthly, the Trump of God. I realize that this is commonly taken to refer to the last Trumpet in Revelation 10:7 & it appears as a correct assumption. However, whenever the trumpet is sounded, it can also be in relation to a heralding (Exodus 19:13; Leviticus 25:9; Joshua 6:5, etc.), so the last Trump may even be the final 'clarion sound' from a series of earlier trumpet calls to the nations (e.g. Psalms 47:5; Isaiah 27:13; Jeremiah 51:27). This is just a thought & certainly not assumed, but shared as another application to 1 Thes 4:16).

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  • Chris - in Reply on John 5:43
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    Hi Carlos. Good to connect with you again brother. You're probably well acquainted with my position with Eschatology as from my other comments, but to deal with the questions you asked:

    I know I won't find agreement with other 'pre-Tribbers' either, but then where can you find two believers in total agreement on everything? So, it is my sense that wherever we find Jesus speaking on His second Coming, it is specifically on His Coming post Tribulation. I realize that certain folk see the Rapture events mentioned in the Gospels as well (e.g. "one taken, the other left", "of that day & hour knoweth no man", etc), but I believe that Jesus wasn't speaking about the Rapture; indeed, the Rapture was not even declared by the prophets or Christ.

    So what then makes me understand the Rapture as an event, pre-Tribulation? As stated, firstly, it is the removal of the saints prior to the outpouring of God's Wrath. Whenever we see God's Wrath being poured out (& examples given earlier), His (righteous) people have been taken to safety. And I was specific about HIS Wrath as compared to the trials/tribulations that come upon us daily or even in an overwhelming way. And as been also stated by Ann & others, our sin has been judged at the Cross & we don't fall under His Hand again. Is it correct that we should presume that God will still need to pour out His Anger on His blood-bought, when God's Anger (& our sin) was laid upon Christ on our behalf (Propitiate: 1 John 2:2, 4:10)? Whereas, His Wrath must be directed to those who have rejected Him & His Christ, without even the seed of saving faith to secure them from any judgement.

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  • Mishael - in Reply on Hosea 11:1
    Hosea 11:1, as per commentary:

    11:1 Was a child - In the infancy of Israel. I loved him - Manifested my tender and paternal affection to him. Called my son - Adopted him to be my son, and as my son, provided for him, and brought him out of servitude. Out of Egypt - But Israel, the first adopted son was a type of Christ the first - born. And the history of Israel's coming out was a type of Christ's future coming out of Egypt.

    Jesus's parents were told to shelter in Egypt until the death of King Herod; then they returned home.
  • Carl Gaines - in Reply on Genesis 35
    That is correct GOD would never change his name. I was referring to 35:10 where GOD changed Jacob's name.

    Thanks for the help that makes sense. I will reread chapter 35 with your help you have given me.

    It always amazes me how fast Christians are ready to attack other Christians so quickly without understanding the question, even call them names.

    Thanks for being one of the good ones Chris.

    Carl
  • William Tallon - in Reply on Leviticus 23:27
    I have to say I haven't kept the feast days I'm only learning about this over the last year or two I should have started doing something by now,however the more I read in the holy scriptures,the more I do not believe the feast days we're done away with on the cross.
  • Carl Gaines - in Reply on James 4
    Chris, see this is where everybody gets confused. You have to either believe the bible and that GOD knows all things or you don't.

    The only way I can truly believe and trust in GOD is that he is or he isn't or the bible is or it isn't. So using your logic GOD did not know that Satan was not going into the garden, which would mean GOD has no control over Satan. GOD has control over everything or he doesn't. GOD allowed the devil to attack JOB without GOD's permission Satan could not of attached JOB. GOD has a plan for us and what that plan is nobody knows. The part of the plan I don't understand is why did GOD let Satan temped EVE.
  • William Tallon - in Reply on Leviticus 23:27
    I believe that the only thing that was done away with on the cross was the ceremonial laws the sacrificial laws nothing else the feast days I believe are still to be followed
  • Irene on Luke 16:1
    My 49 y.o son has always been spiritual and follows the scriptures. His marriage was based on his partners pregnancy.It turned out to be loveless marriage. They are now divorced but he feels guilty because what the Bible says about divorce

    His life is stifled and can't move on.

    Should he return to a loveless/ sexless mariage because of the scripture ???
  • Leaster busby on Hosea 11:1
    BSP on Hosea 11:1

    what dose it mean ? Sunday school
  • comments by Alex on Malachi 3 Who shall abide the day of his coming , Who shall stand when he appears ( 2 ND COMING ) For he shall be as a refiners FIRE and fullers soap a cleasing fire i.e his baptism of fire that we all Need as our GOD IS A CONSUMING FIRE THAT IS GONNA CONSUME MANS ADAMIC SINFUL NATURE. Thus every man ( sinner ) will have his part in that lake of fire which is his baptism of the H.G. AND FIRE . Thats y he said i come to bring fire on the earth meaning on mankind Remember th Red HEIFER SHE HAD TO BE BURNED TO ASHES AT THE DOOR of the tabernacle our old evil adamic nature is gonna be burned to ashes at the door of our hearts ya remember he said he wd not leave them root nor branch nothin is gonna beleft of our old man,behold i make all things new .Satans head is gonna be crushed his head is our old adamic nature which is in rank with satan, thats y he called Peter satan . There is absolutly nothin wrong with this beautiful earth,its mans sick nature that needs to be destroyed, not the earth with all her beautiful things. All ways remember our God is a consuming fire and that gives me hope. gtg gbu
  • Deniese on Titus 3:10
    Anyone who have been taught the scriptures and have read them should know that what they are reading and what they have been taught is the true Word of God and that we should believe and obey the Word of God. To reject the scriptures when someone tries to share them with you is utterly destruction for that person's soul. God tells us that " If we love Him , we will obey Him. " " God's children know His voice". If we reject the child of God , who was sent to warn us about our sinful actions, not only are we rejecting the messenger but we are rejecting God; we are condemning our own souls! God does not condemn us- He does not have to- it is mankind that makes the choice of sinning against God with no remorse because the heart has been seared with a hot iron.
  • CARLOS RAMIREZ TREVINO - in Reply on John 5:43
    Chris, I don't understand the reasoning to support a pre-tribulation exit and Christians being judged twice. Bob Hilt pointed out that Matthew 13 is a parable specific to the Rapture and Return of Christ. Do we have to stretch the imagination to come up with a justification for a rapid exit before the Tribulation? Can you give us more details?

    I think that in light of what is specifically stated by Christ in Matthew 24:29, Paul, Peter and others, anything said that invalidates that is suspect. Where specifically is Matthew 24:29 contradicted?

    What is the Scriptural basis for saying, for example that, "yes, he is coming on a horse, but he is going to sneak in before that on foot?"
  • Jesse on John 5:43
    Ann,

    Should a person have to read how to be saved if they're already saved? It seems as though you are making an assumption that Adam is not saved? I've read most of his posts and I see no reason to doubt that he is saved. I would like to comment on the faith and works portion of your post if you don't mind. You say that for faith and works, it can't be both? I think that for a person who belongs to Christ, it is both.

    Works show proof of faith. James 2:14 says, What doeth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? Can faith save him? Literally, can the faith save him? The question itself in Greek expects the answer no. Can the faith save him if he says he has faith but does not have works? The word works in the Greek text literally means activity.

    If we put faith and activity together, we understand that if God's Spirit is present in us, there will be activity (Works). Works do not produce faith. But faith produces works. Martin Luther had problems with James because he said that James contradicted Paul's teachings because Paul said that we're justified, not out of works but out of faith. But James said if you don't have works you don't have faith. So it sounds like they are contradicting each other.

    But Paul talked about the root of the tree that faith does not come from out of works. James on the other hand talked about the fruit of the tree. That is to say, if you have the faith of Jesus Christ, you will bear fruit (Works) from the Spirit of God.

    Jesus said that in Matthew Chapter 7, by their fruit you shall know them. We don't produce fruit. God's Spirit in us produces fruit. And that fruit is evidenced by good works. Paul talked about the root (Christ) where salvation comes from. James talks about the activity (Works) of God's Spirit in a person's life. So I would say that for a true believer, there has to be both.

    Yes, we are not saved by human works, but once we are saved, there will be activity (Works).
  • Dave on 1 Peter 3:19
    There were children of God from Adam to christ's death who were in abraham's bossom.

    Had christ not died and resurrected, they would remain there in limbo forever.

    Abraham's bossom was next door to hell in the heart of the earth, with a huge space, (chasm) separating them.

    I believe jesus stood or floated between them and preached the gospel while both sides listened.

    The people in hell I don't believe repented. The bible says in revelation that they still cursed God...

    Those in abraham's bossom were set free and now are with the Lord in heaven.

    Anyone killed for the word of God and for jesus christ, are the souls under the altar in heaven. Rev.

    The dead in christ resurrect just before the rapture. And people say the rapture happens before the tribulation.

    If that were true, the resurrection of dead in christ would happen first, followed by a rapture.

    But that's impossible. because a resurrection happens before the rapture.

    When does the bible tell us that the first resurrection happens???

    Revelation 20:1-6 says the first resurrection is after the tribulation after the beheadings.

    So if nobody is resurrected until after the tribulation, how can a resurrection and rapture happen before the tribulation?? It cant!!

    Therefore After the tribulation, Jesus appears in the clouds and the dead in christ rise. Everyone from Adam all the way to the believers from the tribulation.

    Then those who are alive and remained from the tribulation, will be caught up and changed together with those who resurrected.

    They all meet jesus in air and float to mount of olives. The tribes mourn because they see Jesus descending from the air with ten thousands of his saints. Then the thrones are set up and we rule and reign with Christ for a thousand years.

    Hebrews 1:8 says that only jesus is called a son of God. So the Angel's are not sons.

    I understand that job calls someone sons of God but its not fallen Angel's.

    May God bless all who read this.
  • Adam - in Reply on John 5:43
    Hi Ann, this is a predictable discussion. I know all the verses you shared and agree with them, because I believe in the Bible- all of it, not just cherry picked verses. Have you read the entire chapter context around these verses? Because it completes the thought and explains what exactly it means. I can pluck out things too that only share part of the picture, like 1 Timothy 2:15.

    You said something before worth analyzing: "FAITH or WORKS??? It CAN'T BE BOTH!"

    Why not? Who said it can't be both? It is both. The Bible already says it's both and even already predicted this exact believe and refused it. James 2:17 says faith without works is dead- do you believe that? If not, what is your explanation for not believing this part of the Bible?

    Since you believe Paul, do you believe what he wrote in Romans 7? He talked about his deep struggle in trying to avoid sin and do good. Why would he struggle if doing good isn't necessary one bit? He called himself captive (prisoner) of sin. He was in deep torment to try to do good. If no good works was necessary why didn't he instead just party and live a life of sin and not worry about spreading the gospel, if he was already 'saved'? The Bible makes the answer clear.

    James 2:19 - even demons believe in God and Jesus, including satan. So, if all that's needed to be saved and go to heaven is to believe does that mean satan will go to heaven? If not, why? Hitler attended church and might have been a Christian in his early years, so will we see him in heaven too, despite Romans 2:6?

    Is it 'wrong' to do good works? If so, why does the Bible say in multiple places to do good? Matthew 7:16-23. Jesus says most people will go to hell and you'll know his followers by their fruit. If good isn't needed, then why would Jesus say this. Was he lying? It would be a very hard argument to make that living a fruitful life of good works is 'bad', because that's exactly what the Bible says to do and how you can recognize genuine Christians. Christians aren't saved by good works, though. That's a logical fallacy to assume that. Grace alone saves. If someone wants to follow Jesus, however, it requires action, doing things.

    Reading the entire chapter context of the Bible clears up such misunderstandings. God bless you in your journey for the truth.
  • Natalya - in Reply on John 19
    Marie,

    The Jews are gathered in Jerusalem to celebrate the Feast of Passover. Jesus was crucified on Friday.

    There are 12 hours in a day.

    John 11:9 "Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day?"

    If there is midday

    Acts 26:13 "At midday, O king, I saw in the way a light from heaven, above the brightness of the sun, shining round about me and them which journeyed with me."

    and midnight,

    Exodus 11:4 "And Moses said, Thus saith the LORD, About midnight will I go out into the midst of Egypt."

    then we can say that the day starts at 6am, and the night - at 6pm. That shows that 3rd hour falls at 9am and 9th hour (when Jesus died on the cross) falls at 3pm. (New translation translate just like that).

    Mark 15:25 "And it was the third hour, and they crucified Him."

    Matthew 27:46 "And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken Me?"

    Bible mentions unusual darkness between 6th hour (12pm) until 9th hour (3pm). The darkness can't be seen if it's dark already...

    Matthew 27:45 "Now from the sixth hour there was darkness over all the land unto the ninth hour."

    If there was Wednesday and Thursday, then I believe the Bible would have mentioned days instead of just hours.
  • Andrea - in Reply on 2 Chronicles 10
    Not understanding this comment.
  • Leigh - in Reply on Acts 2:38
    Willie,

    Just stand on the scriptures, God will take care of the rest, He will honour Your stand on His Word.

    Acts 2:38 KJV

    [38] Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

    Find someone who will baptise you in the name of the Jesus Christ, if you haven't already.

    Then you will not be tossed about by every ones opinions.

    John 16:13 KJV

    [13] Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

    He will guide you into all truth.

    1 John 2:27 KJV

    [27] But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

    ye need not that any man teach you

    There you go Willie, that's God's Word.

    Stand on it, He promised it. Praise the Lord.

    Faith leads to obedience.

    John 15:7 KJV

    [7] If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.

    You want Him to settle this doubt, ask Him and believe Him when He said - it shall be done unto you.

    Matthew 24:35 KJV

    [35] Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

    God bless you
  • Alex on Mark 5
    Comments by Alex on the man legion living in the tombs. Legion was MANY as there are many living in the tombs under the Law. The law said the soul that sinneth shall surly die thus we are in the tombs under the law. And legion was without clothing and so are we under the law simply b/c the law exposes our sinful nature. Legion means Many script. says that Many men tried to tame legion with chains and fetters but he broke the chains and fetters to pieces and was driven OF THE DEVIL into the wilderness . ( OUTSIDE THE HOLY CITY ) THE CHAINS AND FETTERS WERE OF IRON BUT THEY WERE WEAK TO LEGION .What the law cd not do in that it WEAK thru the flesh God had to send his son in the form on sinful flesh to condemn sin in the flesh. The laws and commandments are strong as iron but they are Weak to the flesh meaning mans carnal mind is satans head spirit .Carnal man breaks every law and commandment to pieces just like legion broke every chain and fetter to pieces. Many men try to tame their sinful adamic nature with laws and commannments ( chains and fetters ) but we break every law and commandments to pieces. What the law cd NOT do in that it was weak thru the flesh God had to send his son in the form of sinfull flesh to condemn sin in the flesh. simply b/c the law cd not do it. Only Christ cd tame legion by his living WORD, whom the son sets free is free indeed but the law cd not set mankind free. Jesus said whosoever sins is the servant of sin thus we are not free just yet till this corruptible puts on incorruption, and this mortal puts on immortality near future.nobody can tame the beasts that lives with n us as James said all the beasts in the world has been tamed by man but the tongue can no man tame the tongue is an extention of mans carnal mind mans carnal mind is the beast.That which is born of the flesh is the beast When they brought Josephs coat to Jacob he said a wild beast has done this and he was right the 10 born of the flesh was th beasts and still true. gb
  • Natalya - in Reply on John 19
    Mary Jane,

    The Scriptures - not tradition - puts Jesus crucified on Friday.

    Jesus represented a sacrificial lamb in the 1st Jewish Feast, Passover. The timing was as predicted in the Bible. Jesus knew that His time has come.

    Exodus 12:6 "And ye shall keep it [lamb] up until the fourteenth day of the same month: and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it in the evening."

    John 13:1 "Now before the feast of the passover, when Jesus knew that His hour was come that He should depart out of this world unto the Father, having loved His own which were in the world, He loved them unto the end."

    1 Cor. 5:7 "For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us."


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