Bible Discussion PAGE 333

  • Chris - in Reply on Revelation 14
    Carlos, in answer to you, my sense is that, like most things about us, God just leaves us alone & we go about our daily lives, whether in the midst of problems in the home, Church, or society. To believers, it serves to remind us to get back to His Word, to reacquaint ourselves with God's Standards & Requirements, thus a 'spiritual' Church should take note & rectify problems & divisions. The 'carnal' Church will still go on about their business doing what they believe is right & God-honouring, giving little regard to what the Scriptures actually teach.

    I think that 'denominations' were inevitable as the Church moved further away from apostolic teaching. Interpretations of Scripture, even the fusing of OT practices into the Church (incense, robes, chants, etc.), would undoubtedly creep in as men looked to their own wisdom rather than the Wisdom in the Word. Looking at the Church with human eyes, one could wonder why the Lord would have any further dealings with us anymore. Except for that singular fact: His Own Son's Blood was shed for the Church & only faith in that finished Work alone, would secure the desperate soul to salvation & glorious eternity. Thus it is heartening to understand that ultimately God can only be our Judge, & that judgement based on one's saving faith in His Son, & nothing else.

    Carlos, I still have our other 'unfinished' matters before me - don't despair!
  • Chris - in Reply on Genesis 10
    Robert, 1 Thes 4:15, 17 refer to this phrase you are sharing here. We understand this phrase to actually speak about the Rapture of the Church, i.e. when Christ comes for us, the dead in Christ will rise first & then we who are alive & on Earth will then go to be with Him. The apostle Paul gave these comforting words to the believers there, because some were despairing that those Christians alive would get translated & the dead believers' bodies would not. So, Jesus will take into account all who have been saved by faith - sadly many who think that they were saved, will be left behind to face the wrath of God upon mankind.
  • KRYSTABELLE on Acts 9
    Why does he like to persacute people?
  • Nsamba Vincent on Deuteronomy 22
    The word of God Chengs not as it is stated in the Bible so it will be on the day of judgement. (Deuteronomy 22:5 ) *NB Only those that are lead by the Holy Spirit are true sons of God.
  • Peter - in Reply on Genesis 3:1
    Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field.

    I don't see any problem with this statement. There were animals in the garden and some were beast of the field and some beasts of the woods and plains maybe etc. and the serpent was the most subtil of all the beast that were in the field. He was in the garden just as Eve was.
  • Word on Daniel 8
    From verse 23 and on we see the end time prophecy where the anti christ comes in and it's not what they preach in the churches these days because antichrist in Greek is instead of Christ and Satan shows up as a false messiah in peace as Revelation 12 tells us he is kicked to earth to deceive the whole world.
  • Jesse - in Reply on John 16:28

    Jesus was preparing His disciples for the things which were about to come, His crucifixion, death, resurrection, and His ascension up to heaven to prepare a place for us until He comes back at His second coming.

    Verse 32, Jesus says they will scatter, every man to his own way. There will come a time when Jesus is crucified, and the horror of that sight, and the disappointment and discouragement that will come upon them, they will all scatter! Jesus didn't say it was wrong. He said this is what you're going to do. Every man to his own, that is, his own house or place. They will scatter and go back to their own homes discouraged and disheartened. They are going to leave Him up on the cross to die alone, and yet Jesus says I am not alone because the Father is with me.

    Verse 33, Jesus says these things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world. Jesus is telling them what to expect after He leaves. But He tells them that they will overcome, as He overcame. He says that in Him, they would have peace.

    Peace is not a tranquil feeling that God gives us to make us feel good. Our peace is in Christ. In Ephesians 2:14, Paul says about the Jew and the Gentile who have been separated that in Christ, He is our peace. Peace is a person!

    He is our peace who has made both one, Jew and Gentile, and has broken down the middle wall of partition between us and brought us all into one. In the Greek text, EIRENE for peace means to unite, to become one.

    For me to find my peace in Christ, it means that in all of my situations I lineup with Him, I unite with Him, and I keep my focus on Him. He will be my peace, my unity with Him.

    Paul said in 1 Cor. 1:30-31 that Christ is our sanctification, Christ is our righteousness. I'm clothed in His righteousness. I've not gained any for myself. He went on to say Christ is our wisdom. Now we're told that Christ is our peace!
  • Mishael - in Reply on Revelation 14
    Doesn't the variety of religions remind us of the Tower of Babel, sorta, kind of?

    God confused the one language into Many. Everybody moved away so they could hear only their language?

    See that's humans for you. They all want some unique way to hold Church and attract new visitors. All people want to have it their way.

    Anyone can go online now and read the tenets of that Church's faith. What they believe. If it doesn't match up to the Bible, don't go there. If the church has skinny "sheep" then they aren't being fed on the Word of God. If they don't have wool, then they're being fleeced by false shepherds.

    We have a grave responsibility to search these things out!

    We attend church to obey God.... because we love Him and He wants us to learn about him. Somewhere it says that if the stall is "full", that's a happy barn; a balanced diet.

    Don't put the full responsibility on the Pastor to feed you!

    We are to be having family Bible night at home too. Kids will never walk away from God if his love and nurturing is at home. There are many "justice league" kind of heroes in scripture. Jesus slipped in and out of crowds when it was necessary; being chased by Pharisees & legalists. Paul is running from them, Romans and all manner of hazards. What does that teach? Saul chased King David for years and couldn't kill him. If you are hidden in Christ you can achieve amazing victories.

    Children know none of these amazing stories, these days. The Bible was removed from schools in 1962. Jesus was kicked out, along with the 10 commandments. LOOK AT WHAT OUR SOCIETY HAS BECOME.

    One old lady atheist did that.

    Does anyone have a testimony of what Jesus did for them this week???

    Maybe God would like to hear it too??

    The kids love tunes by Carman on youtube, like: Yahweh; Yo Kids album; he loves ministering in song to kids :D. I used to go to the same church he went to. Kids set on fire for Jesus. It can happen again folks.
  • David - in Reply on Revelation 1:8
    God is one and JESUS CHRIST is God manifestation in the flesh.
  • Larry B on Revelation 12
    Hi first of all I respect your opinion and if you truly believe that Jesus is God almighty that your belief, but try to read the very verse that you site until you see its real meaning . But just to help,it means that God almighty manifest himself to all first in jesus then the churches ,me and you. This is the very purpose why God send his son , to give the world a chance to really know him the power that the Christians enjoy. But all this were immediately gone because they were killed and immediately a new person a was initiate d by catholic and john Calvin. The word is really very simple but , God. Send his only begotten son. I will repeat, GOD SEND HIS ONLY Begotten SON yet the world were led to believe differently, that's the work of the devil to bring confusion, and God let him prevail for now until jesus returns , and it's not gonna be far. Take note of what 1John 4;3 and every spirit that confessed not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of god;he is that spirit of the Antichrist. What spirit are you carrying. The true spirit are those that declares that jesus come in the flesh.
  • Robert Marino on Genesis 10
    How can i be alive and remain at the second coming, if i have already been raptured and gone in some pre-tribulation rapture?
  • Jesse - in Reply on Matthew 24:38


    In Verse 30, the word "tribes" would show us that Jesus is talking about Jews. And then again in Verse 31, the gathering of the elect, that word "elect" is referring to Jews. It starts getting interesting beginning at Verse 33. Jesus says, So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors. In Verse 34, the word "generation" is referring to a race of people. He's talking about Jews.

    Now Verses 37-41 give us the preconditions to the coming of Christ. I find Verses 37-39 to be quite interesting, and I think this might tie in to what you are talking about. 37) But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 38) For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, 39) And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

    After God shut the door on the ark, how long was it until it started raining? One week! I see that as prophecy. After the door was shut on the ark, the unbelievers still didn't know the judgment was coming. But they were warned. Noah and His family were closed up and safe in the ark for a week before the judgment came upon the non-believing world. That is why it says they didn't know it until the flood came. The flood came and took them all away. It was life as usual until it came, and it was sudden, and it was quick, and it was unexpected.

    For me, I see the parallel between the ark and Daniel's 70th week. I see believers being caught up to be safe with the Lord for that final week (7 yr. period) while the unbelievers are carrying on as usual until the judgment hits them, just like in the days of Noah being safe in the ark for 7 days until the flood came.

    Well, I know I've rambled a lot here, but I just wanted to share my perspective and understanding of Matthew 24.
  • David Ward - in Reply on 2 Samuel 24
    To often it is not the act of repetitiveness that causes our pain. But the act of pride. David realized his error in numbering the men immediately. We need not depend on our own might when we belong to God. The battle is not ours to glory in but it is that God has delivered us. So we give the glory to God in spite of our on military might.
  • Jesse - in Reply on Matthew 24:38
    (Part 1)


    I would like to share with you my understanding of Matthew Chapter 24. Matthew Chapters 24 and 25 deal with the end-time prophecies. There are four sections in Chapter 24 that represent the 70th week of Daniel.

    Section 1: "The Pains of Birth" Verses 4-14. Section 2: Matthew 24:15 is "The Pivotal Point." Section 3: Matthew 24:16-28, "The Perils of Tribulation." And then fourthly, Verses 29 to 31 is "The Promise of His Coming," given to us in Isaiah 13:10 and 34:4, Joel 2:10 and 3:15, 7:13, Isaiah 27:13, and Zechariah 12:10.

    Beginning at verse 3 of Chapter 24, the disciples are looking for answers as to when these things are going to happen. Jesus then begins answering, and from Verses 4-14, He gives the details of the first 3-1/2 years of the tribulation, known as the pains of birth. In Verse 15, we have the pivotal point, the abomination of desolation.

    Then in Verse 16, we see that Jesus is talking to Jewish believers. Actually, I believe the entire Chapter is given to Jewish believers. But Jesus tells them to flee. Verses 16 to 28 talk about the perils of tribulation, the last 3-1/2 years of the 7 year Tribulation period. It's going to be a very severe time.

    Verse 22 is showing us that if God did not have a time period when He says okay I am going to stop, everybody would be wiped out.

    But for the sake of the elect, a special word brought over from the O.T. as a title for the Jewish people. They are His elect people. It doesn't mean they are all saved but they are His chosen people. He realizes there are 144,000 of them out there, plus all the others who believed, and this is something that is going to happen in the last part of the tribulation period.

    Verses 29-31, we have the promise of His coming. I recently shared the actual 7 Steps of a Jewish Wedding. If we understand those 7 steps, it helps to understand the coming of Christ and some of the Jewish views about when Christ is coming back. Those steps are fascinating!
  • Adeenah on Revelation 17:5
    i have been praying for this day to come
  • Ric - in Reply on Revelation 19:20
    Try this for your question on the temple rebuilt.

    Jesus' prophecy that the pride of the Jewish nation, the temple, would be destroyed inspired the most intense rejection of His teachings. (See Matthew 24:1, 2.) In John 2:19, Jesus says, "Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up." Of course, Jesus is speaking of rebuilding a temple-not of stone and nails, but of living stones (1 Peter 2:5). Yet many refused to grasp this teaching (John 2:20, 21). They even mocked Jesus on the cross regarding His prophecy (Matthew 27:40).

    Yet when Jesus died, the veil in the earthly temple ripped in two from the top to bottom, signifying that the temple no longer held meaning. A temple for sacrifice today would be as useless as it was then, and it would not be the house of God.

    The New Testament is replete with the idea that the temple is the body of Jesus. Ephesians 2:19-22 says, "Ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God: And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit." (See also 1 Peter 2:5.)

    you also, like living stones, are being built into a spiritual house to be a holy priesthood, offering spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. 1 Peter 2:5

    Even after God provides all this clear evidence that His temple is a spiritual one, many Christians are waiting for the Jews to receive a construction permit to rebuild a physical temple on the site where a Muslim mosque now sits. However, there is no prophecy, promise, or commandment in the Bible that says the physical temple would ever be rebuilt after the Romans razed it nearly 2,000 years ago.
  • Jesse - in Reply on Romans 2:5

    In 2 Corinthians 5:10, it says For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

    For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; That is what is called the Bema seat. This is not the Great White Throne Judgment. We are told in 1 Corinthians Chapter 3, as well as Romans 14:10 "Why do you judge your brother, or why do you set at nought your brother? For we shall all stand before the judgment seat, the Bema seat of Christ."

    The Bema seat was the platform that some of the Roman officials would sit on as they were meting out judgment. But it's more known for the stand in which you come to at the Olympic games after you run your race to get your prize.

    We see in the Olympics, the first, second, and third-place athletes, they get up on this stand and they give them a medal. And they stand up there and play the anthem of the person that came in first place.

    That is the Bema seat. It's not the judgment of heaven and hell. We are already assured of heaven in Christ. But we will be judged and that judgment is described for us in 1 Corinthians Chapter 3.

    There will be a type of fire that we will pass through and that which is not of Christ will burn, and whatever is left is the reward. Only the things of Christ will last!

    So he says I do things here that will be well-pleasing to the Lord because someday I'm going to stand before Him just like we (All true believers) will. And as he says in 1 Corinthians Chapter 9, he runs the race to win the prize. He says run to receive the prize because one day you're going to stand before Christ.
  • Robert DePaula on John 16:28
    What did Jesus mean when he said that He was leaving the world again?
  • Carl - in Reply on Psalms 8
    Hello, cherry picked verses can often lose context. For example: John 10:28, if you read before it, in verse 25 Jesus says his own works bears witness (fruit) of Him (same as with Christians), verse 27 says his sheep hears His voice and follow Him- that's an active pursuit requiring action on the part of the followers, just like to follow Jesus it requires action as a Christian. And 28 He will give them eternal life. Eternal life is given after judgment, but some are claiming they have eternal life BEFORE they're even judged regardless of their fruit or blasphemy, etc. Matthew 12:32 clearly says anyone who commits blasphemy will not be forgiven, not only on earth now, but in the future.
  • Jesse - in Reply on Psalms 11
    Mild Bill,

    Thank you so much for bringing this out. The 1,000 year reign is another beautiful example of how gracious God is. Out of His grace and mercy, He gives so many opportunities for people to come to Him, and yet some will continue to have hearts of stone. Satan will be bound up in the bottomless pit for the entire 1,000 years and no longer have any influence on the lives of people. But then he is loosed after the 1,000 years for a short season to deceive, and some will go right back to following him.

    After the thousand years, we leave with Christ. And the people on the earth who are left over from the tribulation, who still are not saved, but they've been given this one thousand year opportunity to live under the rule of Christ with Satan bound, when Satan is let loose, they will go back to Serving Satan again.

    I think it's a tragedy, but we have to understand that when a person is a rejecter of Christ, you could send him to heaven for a thousand years and say "Look how nice it is here," and when he comes back he's going to reject it. Nothing's going to impress him to be saved.

    Again, thank you so much for bringing this out. God's grace is so powerful and unending!
  • Christine Moore - in Reply on Matthew 28:19
    Amen!!!In the Name of Jesus
  • CARLOS RAMIREZ TREVINO - in Reply on Genesis 1
    Angeline, With respect to keeping the Sabbath, what were the requirements? What is your take on statements that seem to say it doesn't matter if you keep the Sabbath?

    Mark 2:27

    Then Jesus declared, "The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. Therefore, the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath."

    Mark 7:19

    because it does not enter his heart, but it goes into the stomach and then is eliminated." (Thus all foods are clean.)

    Romans 14:3

    For one person has faith to eat all things, while another, who is weak, eats only vegetables. The one who eats everything must not belittle the one who does not, and the one who does not eat everything must not judge the one who does, for God has accepted him.

    Romans 14:5

    One man regards a certain day above the others, while someone else considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. He who observes a special day does so to the Lord; he who eats does so to the Lord, for he gives thanks to God.

    Romans 14:17

    For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking, but of righteousness, peace, and joy in the Holy Spirit.

    Galatians 4:10

    But now that you know God, or rather are known by God, how is it that you are turning back to those weak and worthless principles? Do you wish to be enslaved by them all over again? You are observing special days and months and seasons and years!

    Colossians 2:20

    If you have died with Christ to the spiritual forces of the world, why, as though you still belonged to the world, do you submit to its regulations: These will all perish with use, because they are based on human commands and teachings.

    1 Timothy 4:3

    They will prohibit marriage and require abstinence from certain foods that God has created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth.

    Hebrews 9:10

    They consist only in food and drink and special washings--external regulations imposed until the time of reform.
  • Tim Moriarty on Matthew 24:38
    I know that Mathew 24 is all about the 2nd coming and NOT the rapture. That said; I wonder how Mathew 24:38 can be; because at the time of the 2nd coming, the world will be in such chaos that things can not be "normal" as the verse implies? I wonder if it refers to the Jews that have been protected during the 2nd half of the tribulation? Or even if it were to refer to the "goats", even they will be in complete chaos?
  • Jesse - in Reply on 2 Timothy 2

    Paul begins the verse by saying wherein I suffer trouble. He's been put in prison for being part of an "Illegal religion." He says I suffer as an evil doer. He's in prison like a criminal, even unto bonds; That word bonds is the Greek word for chains.

    Here it is: but the word of God is not bound.

    There's an old saying that comes from this verse, you can bind the messenger, but you cannot bind the message.

    There were many testimonies of people who were imprisoned for Christ, and who suffered for Christ's sake like Paul, and the gospel just spread like wildfire.

    Can you imagine the first imprisonment, when they chained Paul to those soldiers, and people were coming and going all day long, and Paul was talking about Jesus Christ, and you have to wonder who's being held prisoner here?

    Remember Paul and Silas were in jail in Philippi and there was a big earthquake, and the Philippian jailor thought all the prisoners had escaped, and Paul said don't kill yourself, we're all still here.

    And he said sirs, what must I do to be saved? What must I do to know this kind of God that you know?

    God put them in prison so that the prisoners could hear the message, and so the jailor could hear the message, and the jailor's family could hear the gospel message.

    We feel bad, and even complain when our life is limited, and when we can't do what we want to do. And yet the history of the church, so many martyrs, and so many people who have suffered for Christ, lost their lives for the sake of the gospel.

    So always remember this. They can bind the messenger, but not the message!

    In fact, if they put you in jail for being a Christian, they're doing themselves a great disservice, because you can just spread the gospel to everyone that's in jail!
  • Etta - in Reply on Psalms 8
    Hi Chris and Adam,

    I wondered whether to put my two cents in where it may not be welcomed, especially after the matter had been settled between you two, which is always a good thing, whether an agreement or not, I learned a lot by reading this thread, but it brought to mind that Scripture "John 10:28-30 (NIV) I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father's hand. I and the Father are one."

    My mother would drill that Scripture into my head, over and over, while I was growing up, "If you are truly His, NOBODY will be able to pluck you out of God's hands." Which was comforting to me.

    I guess that's why I found this thread so fascinating, loosing one's faith verses eternal security, but I have to say, God knows the heart, (Jeremiah 17:10)

    I was saved at twelve, I remember it very well, I was saved completely, and read my Bible all the time, was zealous to the things of God, but through-out my life, I was never the 'perfect' Christian, by some in church today, but God loved me anyway, and for some strange reason, He has chose me to minister to those who are broken, in a world that rather ignore them, even in the church. I guess, there's a purpose for everything.

    Now, back to why I decided to respond, you two are brilliant men of God, I hope and pray you continue to grow in the knowledge, grace, and wisdom God has given you, and not let a disagreement grow to resentment.

    Thanks again for everything,

  • Ric - in Reply on Revelation 19:20
    This might answer your question read and contemplate what this reformer said.

    Nicolaus Von Amsdorf (1483 - 1565)

    "He (the antichrist) will be revealed and come to naught before the last day, so that every man shall comprehend and recognize that the pope is the real, true antichrist and not the vicar of Christ ... Therefore those who consider the pope and his bishops as Christian shepherds and bishops are deeply in error, but even more are those who believe the the Turk (ISLAM) is the antichrist. Because the Turk (ISLAM) rules outside of the church and does not sit in the holy place, nor does he seek to bear the name of Christ, but is an open antagonist of Christ and His church. This does not need to be revealed, but it is clear and evident because he persecutes Christians openly and not as the pope does, secretly under the form of Godliness." (Nicolaus Von Amsdorf, Furnemliche und gewisse Zeichen, sig.A2r.,v.)
  • Mattie Diane Munson on Romans 2:5
    What is the name of the judgement of true born again believers ? Is it called the Bema?
  • CARLOS RAMIREZ TREVINO - in Reply on Revelation 19:20
    You make some compelling points that have to be examined carefully. But couldn't the same be said of other religions? The thinking has been that the Catholic Church could be at the heart of this, though it isn't something Catholics themselves welcome.

    My thinking is that sort of corruption happens at the higher levels. We are told that the antichrist is already at work. And that includes a slow departure from sound doctrine from within the universal church.

    End Time prophecies are very difficult to understand, because of their complex nature. Most usually have historical fulfillments that are sort of a precursor of the final outcome. One is the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem in 70 AD. Will the Temple be rebuilt? If not, how would Daniel's prophecy that the Abomination will proclaim himself God in the Holy of Holies, take place?

    But as that time gets closer, we will understand more. Are there any other possibilities here?
  • Brenda on Revelation 9
    Well,having read everything that takes me back in 2014 when I had a revelation and I asked myself for years what it really met and why would God show me something so poeerf like that,me,a tiny young woman of 25years by that time

    I found myself in an endless garden ,it had fruits ripened and attractive, it had homosexuals, it had bars,clubs swiiming pools every luxurious place was in that beautiful garden ,people happy dancing, others smoking ,drinking having sex in broad day light,i admired to go that side and enjoy too.

    As I made a step,I heard voices I looked up,i saw 3 angels only faces were human the rest was covered in white garments in a white cloud one was Michael the leader ,but he was very angry the voice told commanders them, Go down in the garden, wipe away anything that is contaminated, any one that has eaten of that fruit of poison not even a small grass will u leave as long as it's contaminated.

    I saw them destroying that side I desired to go to,nothin was left except there's was a fruit dome near me and I wanted to bend pick it eat it,but one angel said to Michael, Look back,someone is getting contaminated, Go destroy her,I never picked it,he flew back up,I woke up.

    For long time,it disturbed me,it's here in 2020,I see that revelation happening and it's powerful.lets pray and turn away from evil go.the days are dark and we need to be pure when that angel of death comes to take
  • Royy - in Reply on Joel 2
    no...for kingdom age....

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