Bible Discussion PAGE 32

  • Royy - in Reply on Joel 2
    no...for kingdom age....
  • ROYY on Joel 2
    Joel's prophecies can only come true in the Kingdom Age, Christians are not given signs, wonders, dreams and vision. We have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, access to the Throne of Grace, a completed Bible, and the command to 'walk by faith...

    "And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions: And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit." Joel 2:28,29 (KJV) READ IT ALL...

    "And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke. The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come." Joel 2:30,31 (KJV).
  • CARLOS RAMIREZ TREVINO - in Reply on Revelation 14
    Your comments are enlightening. Why does God allow so much friction in the Church? Why so many denominations?
  • CARLOS RAMIREZ TREVINO - in Reply on Genesis 10
    Chris, on your point 6, Page 4, I believe the Trees in the Garden are representative of Satan and Christ. Association with one results in separation from God and the other, eternal life with God. In Rev the Tree of Life is identified as Jesus. In another place we are encouraged to taste to confirm that God is good. Yet in another, we are given an outline of the Fruit of the Spirit.

    The Genesis account of the Garden is clearly allegorical. And the Tree of the no exception. Knowledge is absorbed through time and experience. When Paul says that evil company corrupts good morals, do you think he means that as soon as you enter the presence of an evil person, you become instantly corrupt? Corruption, by definition, is a deterioration of something good. It involves a decomposition, breakdown, deterioration, a weakening disintegration of something whole. Fruit putrefy because they begin to decompose. Animals die because their systems begin to break down and weaken. Taking my lead from Songs 2-5, which mirror events in the Garden of Eden, I see a slow progression from innocence to craftiness. It wasn't just one bite of a non-existent fruit that corrupted them. It was the constant association with what God told them to stay away from.

    Was there a fruit for the Tree of Life? What did it mean to eat from the Tree of Life? What does it mean now? Will we become instantly perfect when we eat of the fruit of the Tree of Life? Revelation 22:2 tells us the Tree of Life yields 12 different kinds of fruit. Are these fruit physical and eatable? Clearly not. Is there a correlation between the two Trees in the Garden? Can one be metaphorical, but not the other? If one symbolizes Christ, is the other literal?

    Christ was tempted by the devil 40 days. He wasn't confronted just once with 3 temptations. These temptations were spread over the course of Christ's time in the desert. My point is that Adam and Eve were coaxed over time, because their character deteriorated.
  • Suresh Paryag on Revelation 7:9
    What is the difference from frankincense and the incense ( Samagra )burnt by Hindus
  • Albert - in Reply on Acts 2:4
    Tongues are the initial evidence that one has received the gift of the HolyGhost. There are nine gifts of the Spirit outlined in I Corinthians 12. Paul wrote to the Corinthians to help things in order; for they were all out of order. The gift of tongues outlined in I Corinthians 12 is part of the nine gifts of the Spirit. Every believer who received the HolyGhost may not have the gift of tongues. While a person will speak in tongues when they receive the HolyGhost according to Acts 2:4 and Acts 2:38, he or she may not have the gift of tongues. I have never witnessed where one speaks in tongues in the congregation and there was no one who could interpret what was said. I understood what you documented from I Corinthians 14. I agree. Again, there are nine gifts: 1) word of wisdom; 2) word of knowledge; 3) gift of faith; 4)gifts of healing; 5)working of miracles; 6) gift of prophecy; 7) discerning of spirits; 8) divers kinds of tongues; and 9) interpretaion of tongues. These gifts are operating in the church today. I have witnessed all nine in operation in the body of Christ. They are in people. Some people may have one gift; while others have multiple gifts. God has set them in the church to edify the body of Christ and bring glory to Him. Tongues are not forbidden in the body of Christ; and all should seek to bring glory to God by edifying the church. Prophesy edifies the church; tongues edify an individual believer. We should all, if do not posess the interpretation( not a translation) of tongues, pray that we may interpret. Again, I have witnessed all nine gifts in operation. You can interpret if you desire that gift from God. Trust me, I know. But we should desire spiritual gifts to bring glory to God and to edify or encourage the fellow believer. Again, God is still fulfilling prophesy (Joel 2:28). Christians need the leaders of the body of Christ to teach them what is proper and orderly.
  • CARLOS RAMIREZ TREVINO - in Reply on Genesis 10
    Chris. Page 4.

    Romans 8:19-23 - The creation waits in eager expectation for the revelation of the sons of God. For the creation was subjected to futility, not by its own will, but because of the One who subjected it, in hope that the creation itself will be set free from its bondage to decay and brought into the glorious freedom of the children of God.

    We know that the whole creation has been groaning together in the pains of childbirth until the present time. Not only that, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for our adoption as sons, the redemption of our bodies.

    1 Peter 1:10-12 - which things the angels desire to look into.

    You are right. While the passage mentions that creation was subjected to futility, it does not mention Angels. I must have assumed it did. I was wrong. Thank you for pointing that out. What I think the passage does mention is God's Plan to eradicate corruption, when it says, "in hope that the creation itself will be set free from its bondage to decay". What I thought the passage said about the Angels is found in 1 Peter, but I was wrong about that too and I am glad you corrected me. The Bible does not say Angels will benefit from God's Plan of Redemption.

    My argument, however, is that God's eternal Plan was for the annihilation of corruption, which includes death and evil. Isaiah 25:8 - He will swallow up death in victory; and the Lord GOD will wipe away tears from off all faces; and the rebuke of his people shall he take away from off all the earth: for the LORD hath spoken it.

    I suppose my thinking was that because Angels were also created and were subject to corruption, the Plan included them. But that was a stretch. As you pointed out, there is no mention of that at all.
  • He is the son of Isaac - in Reply on Habakkuk 2
    He is the first born son of Isaac.
  • Mild Bill - in Reply on Psalms 11
    Jessie&Chris,While believers indeed have a certain future in Christ to be with him in heaven,don't overlook the 1000yr. reign of Christ on Earth, which will happen after the rapture.God made promises to Israel to be yet fulfilled,to Israel,God's earthly nation

    among nations.As resurrected,unblemished servants of Christ,we will be with him here as he rules the Kingdom of God on Earth,and Satan bound in hell.While I have no details of our daily lives then, I do know the supernatural powers Christ demonstrated in the gospels, will be commonplace at that time, according to his will.Mankind fails seven dispensations of time, given by God,then God,by his grace,takes us into eternity.Innocence,conscience,government,promise,law,grace and the kingdom,all revealed by scripture.
  • Uduak Gregory Obot on 1 Corinthians 6:1
    I believed in god there is noting god can not do god this good in everything he help me many years ago when I was sick god hill me I have many rezing to thank god in my life since that time till today god is always with me and my family. Well I believed I sam: 23
  • Chris - in Reply on 1 Timothy 5:8
    A great Scripture in Galatians, Mishael. That was indeed the purpose of the Law, that ultimately it was to show to both Jew & Gentile that justification could never be by the Law, but by Grace through Faith. That obedience to the Law only brought death (Romans 7:10; 8:2).
  • Chris - in Reply on Psalms 8
    Adam, I appreciate the time you've taken. Sadly, we're in disagreement to a degree. One thing is for sure: I believe in the believer's eternal security & you don't, & I accept that, because I too once shared that position. So I won't bring that up here. But to your other points, briefly.

    1. my position on obedience to the Ten Commandments is also shared by many & this is nothing new. It is a matter of understanding Law & Grace & the perils of fusing them together.

    2. about Satan's deceptions, to this I would agree. But of course, from the 'camp' that I rest in, we would vigorously stand against Satan's deceptions in the other 'camp'. So, no conviction of error borne here.

    3. true, Romans 6:2 was quoted, but the second quote is mine as a response to the first. And this was said to affirm that, if we are dead to sin, it is impossible to live any longer therein. Paul isn't talking about isolated sins, for which we immediately repent & are forgiven, but to those who desire to continue in that lifestyle of sin. This is impossible & this would be the expected response to Paul's question.

    4. Judas, nor the disciples could be considered Christians; Christians are such because of the indwelling Holy Spirit post Crucifixion & Resurrection of our Lord. As well, I don't want to be repetitive with correctly dividing between the Old & New Testaments - true Jesus' Words/Parables were spoken to the Jews in relation to Kingdom Life & their behaviour, but all this was a precursor to the great power from His shed Blood & the power of the Holy Spirit which would change some of his hearers, including his carnal disciples.

    5. we accept others as fellow Christians as we should & because we aren't in a position to judge them. Only God knows. What if that 'believer' rejects Christ in toto? Why do we then decide to look at that sad situation from our perspective & not God's? Let us look at it as God does. Can you or I ever know the state of one responding to an altar call? I don't.
  • Etta - in Reply on Colossians 2:16
    I don't think so,

    The 2nd Chapter of Colossians is on atonement in general,but I believe Paul is dealing with the ultra religious, those who 'swallow a camel, but strain out a gnat. Matthew 23:24

    Ref: Further in Chapter 2:21 (Touch not; taste not; handle not; 2:22 Which all are to perish with the using;) after the commandments and doctrines of men? 2:23 Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body: not in any honor to the satisfying of the flesh.
  • Mishael to Sad Mom - in Reply on Romans 8:34
    I think you need to pray this as a prayer over you and your daughter every day until that sadness is broken and becomes faith.

    The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised. Luke 4:18

    This a scripture about Jesus's ministry on earth.

    Now, Satan is the "big I Will" who causes pain & suffering to all Gods people, but he has no LEGAL right to do it. Jesus is your Advocate...your legal counsel. You petition Jesus to send satan out of your life; and out of your daughters life.

    If there has been angry words between you, then ask God to forgive you. Then ask her to forgive you. Forgiving others is an engine in our lives now. It opens the clogs of life.

    When I realized that I didn't have another 15 years to be angry & hurt I got set free immediately.

    You need to break up that fallow field that has just been growing nothing, to start growing something useful and beautiful; no longer sad or full of angry words. You'll know what to pray. I just go to Psalms 51 when my faith gets the wind kicked out of it by my kid. God really is helping us. I read a book about the humility of Jesus; our example. It's not a monks robe or a sad expression. He got up every day, taught lessons to his disciples, prayed for the sick, raised the dead: HE did GOOD things. He didn't get discouraged and watch Dr Phil on tv. It really communicated to me. While I'm waiting on my miracle; I can go visit a few people in a nursing home or I helped people at church pack food boxes for the needy. I took magazines to waiting rooms at the doctors. Cookies to the fire Dept. If there is no noon prayer group at your church; start one.

    While we are in Gods waiting room there is lots we can do. Some day our miracle will show up. Have faith in God.
  • Chris - in Reply on Genesis 10
    Carlos, thanks for attempting to respond to my queries: you're a brave man especially as our responses can go all over the place! To your answers:

    A. I don't have a problem of maintaining that Christ was already in God's Plan in Creation, as God, being God, already knows the future & His Plans for it. It's the other postulations that concern me.

    B. Hebrews 10:5, speaks of the temporary, deficient & incompleteness of the sacrificial system & that only God's offering would accomplish God's Purposes. It does not speak of man being created to open the way for Christ to come & be his Sacrifice. And with Galatians 3:16 & Romans 11:36, I can't see any connection.

    C. Hebrews 2 & Galatians 3:16: sorry, I can't see in these references anything about God having to create man so as to then send His Son for man's sake.

    D. Romans 9:22-24. This shows that God was 'long suffering' towards 'sinners' awaiting the time He would show His great Mercy towards them. I don't see in this that God supported evil (i.e. he partook of or gave His assent to evil, so as to accomplish His Purposes).

    E. Job 1:12. God allowed Satan to test Job's faithfulness & conviction, not in bringing Satan to test Job.

    Matthew 4:1; Luke 4:2. Ditto. Again, Satan approached Jesus, not brought to Him by God.

    Ephesians 3:10, 11. The theme of this begins in verse 3. It was about the "mystery of Christ". And what was it? In verse 6, "That the Gentiles should be fellow heirs (with the Jews), and of the same body, and partakers of His promise in Christ by the Gospel." "And this mystery would be made known to all men (v 9) & to all the heavenly host (v 10), as well as from the Church's existence & testimony of this mystery, of God's manifold Wisdom". I've added words here, only for clarity, as in the original the intent is unclear. Of course, with any addition, comes another interpretation, so I leave this open.
  • Ade Bakare on Esther 8
    Today we see Iran as one of the strongest enemies of ISREAL ,yet King Ahasuerus made a law then in biblical times for the Jews not to be destroyed ,if only people would read the bible and believe in Jesus Christ a lot of these trails and tribulations we go through would be eliminated
  • Adam - in Reply on Psalms 8
    part 4:

    1 Corinthians 10:13 - talks about temptation. If a Christian can't sin and is saved regardless then what is the reason to avoid temptation? Why would it matter?

    If all the Christians were already saved then why would Paul wrote so many books to each of them to encourage them to stay the course, run the race, to avoid sin, and be obedient. Why? If they're already saved, what's the point?

    You know that most of the New Testament books are written to Christians, right? 1 Corinthians is literally to the church of Corinth as said in 1:2. If they're all saved regardless, then why write a book, why spread the gospel, why why why?

    Earlier it was mentioned that following God is like disrespecting the cross. No, it's the opposite. Not obeying Jesus is like slapping Him in the face and disregarding all he has done.

    How can you tell who is a Christian? The Bible says by their fruit which is very similar to works. "Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them." "Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire."

    Maybe my opinion will give you something to consider or maybe not. I did spend a long time sharing all this to you specifically in brotherly love. I think God really absolutely hates sin, and sin is NOT allowed in heaven and most people will go to hell, including disobedient Christians as it warns against in Matthew 7:21. Most of Jesus's parables are warnings which include to Christians, most of the teachings are to Christians, this is a big deal and not something to be taken lightly. Many will be deceived and will choose not believe the Bible. God bless...
  • Winford graham on Hebrews 11:33
    were are the God fearing people, can we hear the voice our God calling us action, come and let us take back that which is stolen from us, in Jesus name we can.
  • Adam - in Reply on Psalms 8
    Hi Chris,

    part 3:

    > if the 'Christian' persists in wilful sin, then he hasn't been saved in the first place

    This seems like a tough position to take, because it appears to contradict itself at every angle. For example: what/who is a Christian, to you? Can you give a precise and reliable definition of a Christian?

    What if someone you believe is a Christian who meets the criteria you believed was set for one later turned out to turn away from Christ and continue in willful sin as it says in Hebrews 10:26 then you say they were never a Christian in the first place, but why weren't they? I know of Christians who are husbands, dads, pastors, youth ministers, worship leaders, who have each turned from Christianity. There's even a forum online for ex-Christians who have left the faith. So, you say they never were Christian in the first place even after all they did as Christians. So, does that mean someone who only responds to an altar call and prays and gives their heart to Jesus isn't Christian either? What exactly is a Christian?

    Even angels in heaven (they're already in heaven) have freewill to sin and turn from God. If even angels have freewill while in heaven, of course mankind does on Earth when God specifically gave mankind the freedom to choose good or evil, to choose love or hate. We're not robots. Just like if you're a dad it's more meaningful if your son/daughter voluntarily says 'I love you', God gave us freewill to choose if we want to be with him or not, to love Him or not, to obey Him or not. It's our choice and we'll also be judged. I suppose if you believe you "can't" sin that doesn't jibe with judgment day either. If we're already saved, what's the point of being judged for our actions?

    Secondly, it sounds like you don't believe Christians have freewill if you they can't sin. To say we don't have freewill is to contradict other verses.
  • Bob Hilt - in Reply on Revelation 7
    Repent: The meaning for those with eyes to see and ears to hear:

    Acts 3:19 REPENT Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your SINS sins may be blotted out, (change your mind on SIN)

    Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, REPENT Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of SINS sins,

    Acts 8:22 REPENT Repent therefore of this thy WICKEDNESS wickedness,

    2 Corinthians 12:21 And lest, when I come again, my God will humble me among you, and that I shall bewail many which have sinned already, and have not REPENT repented of the uncleanness and fornication and lasciviousness which they have committed. ( repent uncleanness and fornication and lasciviousness )

    Revelation 2:21 And I gave her space to REPENT repent of her FORNICATION fornication; and she repented not.


    Revelation 2:22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit ADULTERY adultery with her into great tribulation, except they REPENT repent of their DEEDS deeds.

    Revelation 9:21 Neither REPENTED repented they of their MURDERS murders, nor of their SORCERIES sorceries, nor of their FORNICATION fornication, nor of their THEFTS thefts.
  • Adam - in Reply on Psalms 8
    Part 2:

    The second observation is your quote:

    How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?"

    Impossible, the Spirit could never allow for such an attitude or interpretation;

    The first part is a scripture Romans 6:2, but your 2nd sentence is not in the Bible. It does not say that after Romans 6:2 and I don't believe a Christian sinning is impossible. Even Paul admits to sin and all Christians sin, so to claim Christians can't sin seems inconsistent with the Bible. Here are a few examples:

    -Much of Jesus's teachings were to his existing followers, including many warnings to not go astray and to 'do things'. If all his Christian followers were already saved then why would Jesus ask them to keep doing things? Why change at all? Why even preach the gospel? Why have a Bible? Why try? I have never heard anyone who believes OSAS have a clear answer for this. If Christians don't need to avoid sin because they're saved regardless why would anything in the Bible even matter? It does matter, because the Bible clearly says obeying God is important. If you don't obey then you don't love Jesus and aren't following Jesus much.

    -Most of Jesus's parables were about how most people will go to hell and how to avoid it. Jesus called people to put forth effort, to change, to take action. If taking action wasn't important or even related to salvation then why would Jesus keep saying it was like in Matthew 7:21? This verse would have to be reinterpreted, discredited, or thrown out to believe that obeying God is bad. Is God likely to say that obeying him is bad or is satan more likely to say that?

    -Judas was a Christian and he betrayed Jesus and died a horrible death and likely went to hell.

    -People are given freewill. We're not robots. The Bible already says all sin. Anyone claiming Christians can't sin is claiming we don't have freewill. Hebrews 10:26.
  • Bob - in Reply on 1 Timothy 2:7
    I don't think there are Apostles today , but we do have their writings , the New Testament.

    It was said that the faith was already given once in Jude . And contend for it , no need for Apostles or a new doctrine either . We have it in the NT completely.
  • Mishael TO Robert L - in Reply on Romans 8:34
    You must mix your faith with prayer. Receive it and believe you have what you ask for.

    If there is anyone whom you hate; forgive them as long as it takes to root in your heart. Even 70 times 7. Then God will hear your prayer.

    Pray the Lord's Prayer.

    Pray: In the Name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, I bind the works of the spirit of infirmity and the spirit of death. I cast you into outer darkness and dry places!

    Go now from the top of my head to the soles of my feet! I plead the Blood of Jesus over my body. I resist the devil and he MUST flee now!

    I pray the windows of heaven to pour out healing balm over my life, my body and all that I have.

    I pray dear God to lend me your warring angels to guard the 4 corners of my home and prevent the evil from returning so that I may rest now.

    In the name of Jesus Christ, my Savior and my Lord. Amen

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    I got healed while reading it a few hours :)

    I had a migraine that felt like my skull was crushing. My 8 yr old son ran through the room while I was laid out flat in indescribable pain. I asked him to pray for me. He laid his hand on my head and said be healed, and ran out the door. I laid there some minutes. I had faith. I stood up. No pain. I walked up stairs. No pain. I shook my head. No pain. I ran outside and hugged my kid. Back inside I thanked the Lord about 30 times. I've been healed numerous times. He cares for you. Get that book and don't listen to other people that confess negative faith.

    Demons come back to see if you're serious about being saved and healed. You chase them out. Find some scriptures in the New Testament and say it out loud: IT IS WRITTEN!! And quote the scripture.

    Your faith is what makes it work. It is written: Jesus healed them ALL.

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  • Adam - in Reply on Psalms 8
    Hi Chris,

    Thanks for sharing your explanation. I know you won't change your position and I certainly won't change mine. Each time I read through the Bible my position is only reinforced and each time I pray and ask God to reveal the truth and wisdom in understanding it seems confirmed. So, discussing further isn't likely to bear any fruit. I'm just curious why some passionately spread such an opinion, however, because the risk/reward doesn't seem to balance out. I believe Satan likes deceiving people as he is the great deceiver and liar. He even works to attack Christians' beliefs but they aren't aware of it. So, if there's 2 very different beliefs about salvation, one of them is true and one is false. If satan were to deceive one person into believing a lie, which is more likely: 1) that satan would go around trying to deceive Christians into being more obedient to God than they actually need to? or 2) that satan would go around trying to deceive Christians into disobeying God, despite scripture like John 14:15?
  • Israel Kuda on 1 Timothy 2:12
    I agree with Paul 100% and I believe the Bible does not contradict itself.

    It is true a woman should not teach out of her womanhood or femininity. When she teaches, she is preaching/teaching not as a woman but as a member of the body of Christ, one together with other men and women. The womanhood in her should keep silent in church and be subject to her husband but the new creature in her cannot certainly be forbidden to speak the Word. In any case it was women who brought the first news of the resurrection and it was a woman (Anna) who blessed the then baby Jesus, speaking in the temple (the church). Was it not a woman who preached to the whole city and brought the whole of Samaria to Christ in John chapter 4? They later graduated in their belief (v42), after they had come to hear of the Lord first hand but their first instance of belief (v39) was at the testimony of the woman! Yes women were considered property in the Jewish traditions but now Christ has come to redeem them that are under the legalistic tendencies and nitty-gritties of the law that we might receive the adoption of sons and now we are all sons of God by faith!

    It would be foolish to be legalistic and petty by clinging to do's and don'ts in taking this verse at its literal value; any saved Spirit filled, baptized believer can speak in church for there is neither male nor female but we are all one in Christ Jesus!
  • Mishael On Galatians 323-25 on 1 Timothy 5:8
    3:23. But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.

    3:24. Wherefore the law was our SCHOOLMASTER to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

    3:25. But after faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster

    For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

    Acts 15:10
  • CARLOS RAMIREZ TREVINO - in Reply on Genesis 10
    Chris. Still on Page 3. You say that after the Fall "the Purpose of God in Creation was thwarted". I am certain you don't believe that. You just haven't examined the thought. What does the Bible say about God and His Purpose? It specifically says it cannot be thwarted. The Purpose of God will stand.

    Isaiah 14:24, 26-27 - The LORD of Hosts has sworn: "Surely, as I have planned, so will it be; as I have purposed, so will it stand. This the plan devised for the whole earth, and this is the hand stretched out over all the nations. The LORD of Hosts has purposed, and who can thwart Him? His hand is outstretched, so who can turn it back?

    Ephesians 1:4-5 - According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love.

    Isaiah 46:9-11 - Remember what happened long ago, for I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like Me. I distinguish the end from the beginning, and ancient times from what is still to come, saying: 'My purpose will be established, and I will accomplish all My good pleasure.' I summon a bird of prey from the east, a man for My purpose from a far-off land. Truly I have spoken, truly I will bring it to pass. I have planned it, I will surely do it.

    Isaiah 48:3 - I foretold the former things long ago; they came out of My mouth and I proclaimed them.

    Suddenly I acted, and they came to pass.

    Acts 4:28 - They carried out what Your hand and purpose had decided beforehand would happen.

    Daniel 4:35 - All the peoples of the earth are counted as nothing, and He does as He pleases with the army of heaven and the peoples of the earth. There is no one who can restrain His hand or say to Him, 'What have You done?'"

    The confidence we have is that God is trustworthy. He is not fickle. If God says we will be eternally perfect, we will be. If God had created Adam and Eve perfect, they would have been. And neither they, nor the devil would have rebelled against God.
  • Chris - in Reply on Psalms 8
    Page 3.

    So, in essence, it encompasses all the Law & much, much more, as the Spirit calls for that 'higher level of spiritual living & obedience' that the Law could never give & the Jew could never perform. Does all this then give the possibility of believers becoming 'slack' in their faith, believing that, e.g. "I can steal (or, whatever sin), because the Spirit hasn't convicted me or shown me otherwise"? "Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?" Impossible, the Spirit could never allow for such an attitude or interpretation; if the 'Christian' persists in wilful sin, then he hasn't been saved in the first place (this is of course, references our other discussion on a believer's Eternal Security). I'll leave it here: my 'short' explanation has turned out otherwise.

    The Lord be with your spirit Adam.
  • Chris - in Reply on Psalms 8
    Page 2.

    And in the case of observance of the Sabbath (which is the commandment that is somewhat extraordinary in the list of commands given, as it is specifically incumbent upon Israel), the keeping of it is mandatory, if the believer is to be totally obedient to all of God's Laws. Hence, 'Sabbath keepers', & all who adhere to obedience to the Ten Commandments are constrained to keep the Sabbath as Holy, without exception. Conversely, those in my understanding, who refuse to keep that Sabbath Law because of reasons cited, would also be hypocritical if they kept the other 'Nine" & left out the 'One'.

    So where does this leave us. As far as your understanding & performance of your faith is concerned, I cannot be in a position to answer. But in my understanding & vehement belief, that since God's Salvation through His Son, is only by His Grace & through our Faith in response (& even this Faith is His Gift to us), then obedience to His 'written' Laws not only leads one to knowledge of his own failure to keep them & resultant 'death', but also remains totally incompatible to the Law of Grace as the two are attempted to fusion. What then is the Law of Grace = Law of (Christ's) Spirit? It is the Whole Law of God, not bound by the Ten Commandments & rigid obedience to it which only led to death, but that which is written in our hearts & interpreted for us by His Spirit. "For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death". (onto Page 3).
  • Mishael on Jonah 35-10 411 on Psalms 8
    Jonah 3:10

    The entire nation of Nineveh repented: from the king down to the animals. Sack cloth, ashes and total fast, for all.

    And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not.

    The one instance of God repenting.

    Galatians 5:22 The Fruit of the Holy Spirit:




    Long suffering







    Against such there is no law. // let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.

    I see nothing profitable in hitting the sheep with a pole. The shepherds crook is pull them back from danger.

    What would the Holy Spirit do?

    Jesus said to Peter: feed my sheep; 3 times.

    Intercessory prayer is for His flock.

    Standing in the gap, is for carrying lambs.

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