You posted that ''when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the ALMIGHTY GOD (El Shaddai); walk before me, and be thou perfect".
Who is the Almight GOD? My Lord JESUS said: I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty- Revelation 1:8.
JESUS is the Lord, understand? JESUS is the Almighty, not other name except JESUS is the Almighty- Matthew 28:18
My Lord JESUS and GOD the Father are One. The Word is GOD, GOD Himself, when He was made flesh around 2000 years ago, GOD called Himself of JESUS, don't you know? JESUS /JOSHUA is the true NAME of GOD.
If you believe the name of the I AM is El Shaddai you are believing the Devil.
Cris, be careful and don't fall in the Devil traps.
I'm a disciple of JESUS, who said from He himself " I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning( Genesis 1:1) and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the ALMIGHTY.
My Lord JESUS in His pray to the Father, said: John 17:5-6
5 Now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the WORLD was.
6 I have manifested thy NAME unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy Word.
Chris, what GOD's NAME was manifested by my Lord JESUS?
As you and all can see, Satan contamined and corrupted the environment of the heavenly place established by my GOD here, in fact the environment of the first heavenly place, the first Covenant, the Old Testament, and the Jews of the synagogue of Satan, the killers of the prophets of GOD, yeah, by these disguised Jews GOD's Name was forbidden(by breaking the 3rd Commandment,thus the use of HaShem in substitute), yeah, HaShem, another name of Devil to substitute, to replace the true name of GOD,whose NAME they never wanted to hear speaking.
HaShem and the gold calf are the same, idolatry and sorcery of the Jews of the synagogue of Satan
Stephen in His preaching to the Jews said unto them: Acts 7:53-58
53 Israel have received the law by the disposition of angels, and they have not kept it.
54 When they heard these things, they were cut to the heart, and they gnashed on him with their teeth.
55 But Stephen,being full of the Holy Spirit,looked up stedfastly into heaven,and saw the glory of GOD,and JESUS standing on the right hand of GOD,(not on the right hand of HaShen, Jehovah, Adonai, YHWH, Yahveh, or other DEMONS)
56 And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of GOD.
57 Then they cried out with a loud voice, and stopped their ears, and ran upon him with one accord,
58 And cast Stephen out of the city, and stoned him:
After their hardness and impenitent heart treasured up unto themselves wrath in this Day of wrath and revelation of the righteous Judgment of GOD;
6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds
But after their hardness and impenitent heart, they treasured up unto themselves wrath against this Day of wrath and revelation of the righteous Judgment of GOD; Unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the Truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
Thanks for your response Oseas. Actually, what I did present was that "Yahweh" IS seen elsewhere in the Word. In John 8:44, Jesus is deriding the Jews for holding onto lies instead of believing Jesus' Words of Truth to them; this verse doesn't suggest that Satan initiated these supposed lies of the Names of God - here was Satan playing with their minds & hearts against Christ & not against what was written in the Word of God, which even Satan cannot deny. So we cannot assume that the 'father of lies' has forced upon us these 'false' Names of God; what we do need to do to prove it, is to ascertain if the original writings didn't have these Names. So far, we have gone back to the CJB & Tanakh: would there be any older genuine Hebraic writings available to us that show us differently? If not, we simply can't speculate or assume, for that in itself would lead us in error.
Re: Exodus 6:2,3. As I re-read it again, I believe that God Himself is telling Moses (& all who read His Word), that His Name is Jehovah but this Name was not known to Abraham, Isaac, & Jacob. They knew Him as "God Almighty" (El Shaddai: the Almighty God) as seen in Genesis 17:1:
"And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the ALMIGHTY GOD (El Shaddai); walk before me, and be thou perfect".
God here in Exodus is stating Who He is to His people under this special Covenant. If you believe that this is not what God said, then I can't go further with it, because I read it with plain understanding. All I can see, is that these names, which you find detestable & demonic, are Hebrew words of God showing Himself in His fullness. But where we have God's compound Names (e.g. Jehovah-Jireh/Ropheka/Nissi/Shalom/Sabaoth/and others) these I will admit are Names that are given when Israel saw their God at Work in their presence but most certainly NOT Satan-inspired names. If anything is debatable or problematic, then we need to search for proof.
What matters and prevails is the Truth,GOD is Truth,and the Truth is only One,The Word Himself is GOD.
You just confirmed by quoting that in original source of Scriptures there is not Yahweh(see,Satan is behind this name,and in his devilish strategy he introduce himself in short as a demonic tetragram YHWH),but the point is also Jehovah,this is another name of the father of the Jews,the father of lie- John 8:44-says it be GOD's name.
But the Devil,father of the Jews,as my Lord JESUS said- John 8:44- father of the lie,he invented another names,you just brings more one fictitious name of GOD invented by the man of sin-the Devil-it is ADONAI,the Devil as a God.Those which invoke Jehovah, Yahweh, YHWH, Adonai.among other fictitious names given by Satan to my GOD,father of JESUS, in fact they are invoking the Devil, CAN YOU SEE? This miscellany/ hodgepodge of names invented by the Devil as if they were names of GOD is a satanic strategy to replace or to erase he NAME of JESUS. Now, the command of the Lord JESUS is to cast down the Devil from heaven to the bottomless pit, chaining him with a great chain. The dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the Devil and Satan will be chained and threw into the bottomless pit, locked and sealed, so that he could not deceive the nations no more.
Exodus 6:2,3(KJV),CJB and Tanack:
The Word, GOD Himself, GOD in Person,He never said His name is Jehovah,and ADONAI,and YHWH,and Yahweh, among other names.In fact Satan invented the names trying to corrupt the Holy Scriptures, the true Word of GOD, the Word is GOD, self-executing, understand?You can see how the Devil, the father of the Jews, father of the lie,has corrupted the original Scriptures through corrupted translations,the Devil always corrupted the nation of Israel through his false prophets and with his idolatries and sorceries, and has also done the same within the Church of my Lord JESUS sowing his tares. The time now is of harvest. Get ready
So, I think you will notice the differences between the KJB & these other translations (even when looking at the 'modern' English translations). What are your thoughts on this?
Can we then say that Jehovah, Adonai, etc. are spurious, satanic names, or rather, it is how the translators have understood the texts & translated them. And not forgetting, to some Jews, the uttering of God's Name was forbidden (by breaking the 3rd Commandment, thus the use of HaShem in substitute).
When we have so many different renderings of these verses, I believe it is safer & wiser to state that the Name that God proclaimed to His people Israel ( Exodus 6:3: the proper personal Name given to those in a Covenant relationship with Him), was indeed Jehovah. And the other Names used of Him are also valid (which describe God's Nature & Work as manifested to Israel); used or not used for pure reasons & motives, and I believe, not for evil reasons.
Thank you Oseas, that was helpful to me & I did pursue research into what you shared. I first looked at the Complete Jewish Bible & then the Tanakh, and read Isaiah 12:1,2 as follows:
1. On that day you will say: "I thank you, ADONAI, because, although you were angry at me, your anger is now turned away; and you are comforting me.
2. See! God is my salvation. I am confident and unafraid; for Yah ADONAI is my strength and my song, and he has become my salvation! (These verses are a little different to what you've given from the CJB & I wasn't able to easily find online a CJB that read exactly as yours).
Then in the Tanakh, Isaiah 12:1,2 reads:
1. And you shall say on that day, "I will thank You, O Lord, for You were wroth with me; may Your wrath turn away and may You comfort me.
2. Here is the God of my salvation, I shall trust and not fear; for the strength and praise of the Eternal the Lord was my salvation. (So in the Tanakh as well, even though the wording is different, you are correct, Yahweh is not given).
Now let's look at another example: Exodus 6:2,3 (KJV):
2. And God spake unto Moses, and said unto him, I am the LORD:
3. And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.
In the CJB:
2. God spoke to Moshe; he said to him, "I am ADONAI.
3. I appeared to Avraham, Yitz'chak and Ya'akov as El Shaddai, although I did not make myself known to them by my name, Yud-Heh-Vav-Heh [ADONAI].
And in the Tanakh:
2. God spoke to Moses, and He said to him, "I am the Lord.
3. I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob with [the name] Almighty God, but [with] My name YHWH, I did not become known to them. (you may want to re-check these against your readings).
This discussion started for myself when Adam quoted Isaiah 12:1-2, and appeared the pseudo name of Jehovah, which was inadvertently added into the translation from the original source.
Comparing what Adam quoted from Isaiah 12:1-2 in the translations of Scriptures, with the Complete Jewish Bible, here's the difference:
Adam quoted: Is.12:1-2:
1- And in that day thou shalt say, O Lord, I will praise thee: though thou wast angry with me, thine anger is turned away, and thou comfortedst me.
2 Behold, God is my salvation; I will trust, and not be afraid: for the Lord JEHOVAH is my strength and my song; he also is become my salvation.
From Complete Jewish Bible-Is.12:1-2: (Comparison-see the difference)
1And you shall say on that day,"I will thank You,O Lord,for You were wroth with me;may Your wrath turn away and may You comfort me.
2Here is the GOD of my salvation,"I shall trust and not fear;for the strength and praise of the Eternal the Lord was my salvation."
So, Isaiah didn't cited the name of Devil when he preached the message to the people of Israel.Isaiah had the Spirit of Christ, understand?He was a messianic prophet,you know of this.By the way,JESUS still was in the bosom of the Father- John 1:18
You said I should supply my references that you may research this too,I agree,but I did not still do this because the site doesn't accept to post links.My assertions were based from a source called chabad,try to find it: It's Tanakh, the Hebrew Bible, Ketuvin(Scriptures).
As you said, it certainly is a serious matter if both Jews and Christians(then and now)are reading corrupt copies of the original.
Between both Scriptures above quoted,which of them is approved by the Holy Spirit?Only one is true,and approved by the Spirit of Truth.In my vision is the original source,but I'm referring strictly to this portion of Scriptures- Isaiah 12:1-2.
Therefore with joy shall we draw water out of the wells of salvation.
"Even as ye are called in one hope of your calling" (Ep.4:4)We were called before the foundation of the world. St Paul anchors our calling 'in one hope' which is compared to an anchor. "But hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?"(Ro.8:24) St Paul is referring to salvation so hope is well grounded on two worlds of the Spirit and body,- the body prepared for the Son to be precise. Thus we shall read the key verse more precisely as 'In one hope of your profession'. Upon what our hope revolves about? Is it not faith which is one. "Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus." (He.3:1)
He.11:3 lays down the relative positions of the two worlds where faith is one signifying how anyone may be considered as his brethren. "For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren." How can an imposter religion cobbled by a Council be elevated to the body of Christ? The body is perfect because both physical body and spiritual body of the Son set off one other to perfection on account of the obedience. It is what faith with works means, pure and simple. It falls under the divine Will of the Father. "For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings." (He.2:10) What glory can anyone show in the manner the Council of Nicaea settled upon their creed by way of compromise in 325? Instead of falling in line with the Word and the Word become flesh, the will to prevail over each other became the order. Instead of the Son whose mind was to reveal the glory of his Father by obedience we have this slogan "Athanasius contra mundum" as monument to heresies ever since. "Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord," (2 Co.6:17-18)
It's a pleasure to hear from you and from other brothers in Christ. We know that we are living in the last days, days of perilous times- 2Timothy 3:1. Yes, I have assert my evidence is the everlasting Word of GOD, the Word is GOD Himself, understand? And He never said His name is Jehovah, The original Hebrew says it not, this name was surreptitiously added in the translations of Scriptures by the Devil, even in the current translations of Hebrew Bible, the Torah. By the way, not only the satanic name/nickname Jehovah, but also other devilish NICKNAMES like YHWH, Yahweh, Yehovah,Elohim, Adonai, HaShem, Yahusha, YEHshia, Jehovah, YEHvah.
Well, my GOD is a devouring / consuming fire, understand? As you know, Satan was/is the more subtil than any Beast of the field(the world is the field) which the Lord GOD had made. Satan is the tree of good and evil -the figtree- , so when Satan said unto Adam and Eve they were naked, they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons, indeed they put on the clothes that the Devil gave them. This satanic event occurred around 6000 years ago. Terrible, very terrible.
I understand you and probably others are astonished with these revelations, but what matters and prevails is the righteous Judgment of GOD- Romans 2-, isn't it?
Oh no, I'm not against the true GOD as you are saying here, quite the opposite, I know Him and His Son JESUS, my older brother. The true believers know that whosoever is born of GOD sins not against Him. He that is begotten of GOD keeps himself, and the Wicked one touches him not.
1John 5:19-20
19 And we know that we are of GOD, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.
20 And we know that the Son of GOD is come,and has given us an understanding,that we may know Him that is true,and we are in Him that is true, even in His Son Jesus Christ.This is the true GOD and eternal life(not the satanic Jehovah, YHWH, Yahweh, Yehovah,Elohim, Adonai, HaShem, Yahusha, YEHshia, YEHvah)
Adam is a representational figure. When God put enmity between law of the Spirit against law of sin we see the seed of woman coming under the Law of sin and a world of the flesh, seed of it is under the same curse, " and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel."(Ge,3:15) This word of the flesh creates a body of evidence marked by death. Our wretchedness comes from this realization, "Who shall deliver me from this body of death?" (Ro.7:24)
Jesus became the word become flesh in order to destroy the works of the devil.
Unity of the Spirit brings one Spirit one body under the divine Will of the Father. Thus glory of God is in not only spiritual shadow but is with reference to the body, the spiritual body it is called. It gives each seed divine impetus so to every seed its own body, holiness of which is determined in its association with the Son. Thus in the creation account, where 'seed in itself' speaks of this holy family, (Ge.1:11) God commanded and the effect we read thus: "And it was so." Heaven signifies the will of God and the earth represented by the Son, (the visible image of the invisible God-Col.1:15) sets forth a chain of sequences that we call the church, or in whom is the seed of truth. The new heaven and the new earth, in short refer to the end times when the reconstituted time is no longer required. "That God may be all in all" explains that the Son had fulfilled His will to perfection.(1 Co.15:24-28)
"There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling" (Ep.4:4) God is a Spirit which sets the Law of the body. It is thus the statement need to be interpreted, "Word was God ( John 1:1) so when God framed worlds by his word this unity sanctified both body and the Spirit as one. Consequently the world made to appear can be said thus, "The Word was with God." From this unity of the Spirit the word of God has a source in the voice of the Lord; so has the sign. The earth abideth forever (Ec.1:4) is as eternal as the word settled forever in the heaven.(Ps.119:89) In this context we shall appreciate the Law of the Spirit that governs every atom, micro cosmos as well as cosmos. The Son in whom all the fulness of God dwells therefore would claim, "I and My Father are one." He is the visible image of the invisible God.
Let us consider the speaker. Jesus Christ is the brightness of the glory of his Father and upholding all things by the word of his power. When he came to the earth his human likeness spelled out what qualified any man who would be admitted in the Fellowship of God and Man. "I am the Way". So the body prepared for him before the worlds began was a spiritual body glory of which was the one covered Adam. It is God who gives the seed a body as He did with Adam. As a result he was sanctified, so felt he no shame because pure conscience of power and glory of the Fellowship dwelt on him as well. This is a spiritual body.
"For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren," (He.11:2) Adam was created in 'our image and after our likeness' but we see a complete turn: Having to cover his nakedness with an apron of fig leaves indicates the Law of sin became his master instead.
Hello Oseas. I've been following this thread & like Adam, am somewhat confused by your claim that the Names of God we read in the Hebrew we have (& what Israel has), are incorrect, indeed satanic.
You've just written, "Tell me: What Scripture is more accurate? The original Hebrew Scriptures, or the copies of the Hebrew Scriptures that were transcribed in a lot and different translations?" If this is so, i.e. you are quoting from the "original Hebrew", then could you supply your references where you learnt this so I may research this as well? Because it certainly is a serious matter if both Jews & Christians (then and now) are reading corrupt copies of the original.
As an example, when speaking with Muslims, I learned that they claim that our Bibles are corrupt, as Jews & Christians (the people of the Book), have changed verses, even removed or added some, making the Bible untrustworthy. So naturally I asked them to show me those changes that were made, & unfortunately but expectedly, they weren't able to, simply because they were parroting what they were told by their imams. In fact, the Qur'an also states that God can remove, change or replace a verse in the Qur'an (2:106; 16:101), but no Muslim can tell us whether what they read presently are true words or false since they might be reading words that have gone through revisions or deletions. Likewise, it is important to know the original, which you refer to, so that we may understand the matter & your belief in it. Thank you.
Oseas, thank you for the response. It seems you wrote a lot of words on the general topic but still I don't see any evidence of your claim being true.
Your first paragraph, you said the evidence is the Word of God, but the Word of God says God's name is Jehovah and it sounds like you don't like that translation of that verse. The original Hebrew says it too. You said His name isn't there, but it is there. I noticed you used a different English translation- you wrote: "for the strength and praise of the Eternal the Lord was my salvation." This is why I mentioned Strongs that identifies that specific original Hebrew word. Even anti-God, anti-Christian sites like wikipedia agree YHWH is the "the proper name of the God of Israel in the Hebrew Bible".
The second paragraph you wrote is quite a scary sounding belief and I would be very careful what words you use about God especially on a public forum that may affect others. Some might perceive this attacking God as a heresy or blasphemy of the holy spirit. That sure would be scary to call God a bad name and spread anti-God information and put your eternity at risk because of some false assumptions.
Thanks for the interaction, but it seems there's nothing more to discuss on this topic. That's an outrageous claim against God with no evidence to support it. Trying to discredit the KJV on a KJV site is bold and I wonder if there a reason you read the KJV if you don't believe it?
Pardon me for not remembering your beliefs, but do you consider yourself a Christ follower or affiliate yourself with a certain denomination?
I repeated the original evidence because there is not greater EVIDENCE than the everlasting Word of GOD, is there? The Word is GOD, the invisible, the Omnipotent, and Omniscient and Omnipresent GOD, for me it is He Who is "the Strong's identifier". The Word is self-executing / executable because the Word is GOD, understand? Psalm 33:9 - He -the Word- spake, and it was done; He commanded, and it stood fast.
Yes,I stated that the added name Jehovah(a demonic name of Satan)is not in the original Scriptures as being GOD,Father of my Lord JESUS, but as Lucifer,the son of perdition,father of the Jews as said my Lord JESUS- John 8:44-,transfigured as God- Isaiah 14 combined with 2Thes.2:2-3 among other biblical references, and no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. 2Corinthians 11:14. Be careful, for Satan is wiser than Daniel; there is no secret that can be hidden from him, understand? How can the believers fight against the devilish traps and strategies of the Devil if are not knowing so well the depths of Satan?
You said that If I think there's holes,how am I believe and trust the rest of it and where I draw the line,so I must say that the
limit of the line is in Genesis 2:16-17 and 3:1 combined with Matthew 16:23.Take a look.By the way,his throat is an open sepulchre
You said that I'm using a different translation, and asked so how I know its more accurate and not less accurate.Well,well, I used and am using the same source you used to quote Isaiah 12:1-2,right? Tell me:What Scripture is more accurate?The original Hebrew Scriptures,or the copies of the Hebrew Scriptures that were transcribed in a lot and different translations?
Furthermore, answer your question if I have any more evidence, so let me ask: Is there evidence more truer than the true Word of GOD? The evidence is the Word of GOD. The testimony of GOD is greater.
As you know,the Word of GOD is from everlasting to everlasting,the Word is GOD
Here are some corrections. in the first para:first line
please read as "God is a Spirit while Jesus Christ is the visible image of the invisible God." the last two lines, "The ground was cursed by sin so all the evil of our earthly existence owes to it. Without God, they are under judgment."
Third para: "Moses would want to avoid taking up the onerous task of leading a nation of stiff-necked people and use the excuse of having impediment in speech."
"Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself."
God is a Spirit while Jesus Christ is the visible image of the invisible body. This is made distinct by two worlds framed by the word of God by which DNA of a believer is determined by faith.(He.11:3) The first man is earthy and Adam is fashioned from dust of the ground. The Lord from heaven is the Son whose glorious body is manifested by the power of God the Father. Proof of it was that death could not hold him back. Adam represents the earthy more so by his sin of obedience provides a body under curse. The ground was cursed by sin so all the evil of our earthly existence owe to it. Without God stopping it it is under judgment.
St Paul speaks of those who are under no condemnation because the Law of the Spirit has set them free. On one hand we have MTP, malformed babies, LGBTQ which are all part of the collateral damage of the fall of man.
Moses would want to take up the onerous task of leading a nation of stiff-necked peopl and use the excuse of having impediment in speech. Oh no He who made mouth of a man was there to prove it had nothing to do with His holiness. Holy is His name. His Son saw to that the glorious body of Moses overcame all physical challenges.
In short in the world of the Spirit we are surrounded by the glorious spiritual body of the Son,"according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself."Evangelicalst who cause division for pro-Life and anti-Abortion laws say they have faith in Jesus Christ but deny the power thereof. They serve Satan in causing divisions.. "Beware of dogs" St Paul calls them. They traduce the disenfranchised people of color and other ethnicities as slackers and free loaders. It is thus we have children of light and children of wrath. ( 1 John 3:8)
Dear Heavenly Father, take Mike in Your arms and help him be positive as to this situation following the seizure. Bring healing to his body, especially his brain that caused the seizure to occur. Give Mike confidence, peace, and the faith to go forward after this event. May You surround him with Your powerful healing and restoration in HIs body and soul that He may praise You and lay His life before You with trust and hope in You always. We ask this of You Father, in the name of Jesus, Amen.
As you know, the Bible is about two Covenants- The OT and NT.
What we are commenting is about the OT, not about the NT, for there is not that NAME or nickname in the NT. Remember: You quoted Isaiah 12:1-2.
Isaiah 16:-1-2 in the OT -Nevin'im(Prophets) Yeshayahu(Isaiah) is written as follow:
1 And you shall say on that day, I will thank You, O Lord, for You were wroth with me, may Your wrath turn away and may You comfort me.
2 Here is the God of my salvation, I shall trust and not fear; for the strength and praise of the Eternal the Lord was my salvation.
In fact that name was added in the translations inadvertently, but the name you have mentioned it is not the only fictitious name or nickname added in the OT (not added in the Bible as a whole-OT&NT), there are several others: I have listed YHWH, Yahweh, Yehovah,Elohim, Adonai, HaShem, Yahusha, YEHshia, Jehovah, YEHvah, these names are not NAMES of GOD, quite the opposite, all these names listed are strictly the names of the father of the Jews- John 8:44 combined with Revelation 12:3-4.
JESUS in His prayer to the Father, said: John 17:6 - I have manifested thy NAME unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: ... -->What's NAME?)
"Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?"
Baptism for the dead, there is nothing to be afraid of and dying daily is not a sacrament but comes under the department of works. What is baptism but an act of faith? Faith without works is dead. So what shall we make of the doctrine of man which Evangelical refers to their activism? On one hand they repudiate 'works' the labor of love done in Christ but with both hand embrace Christian nationalism, Pro-life movement and 'prosperity'? "For God is not unrighteous to forget your work and labour of love, which ye have shewed toward his name," (He.6:10-15) so works done toward his name must be done with "the same diligence to the full assurance of hope unto the end." This inheritance of promises is unlocked by his name than 'active' faith preached by imposter religion to loosen the tight fist of God. It is thus Satan has deceived them and their prosperity theology is a classic example.
If you died to the world of sin and the world you are as St Paul says,"I protest by your rejoicing which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily." (1 Co.15:30-31). The Nicene creed says, "I acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins." For those children of disobedience who fight for faith but in works do the devil's business, stoke cultural wars and help as one famous preacher in the late 60s helped the US President's Southern agenda by publicly stating that all rapists should be castrated merely shows the malaise of the mainstream Christianity feeding upon the Pagan Rome for its growth. Where death worked for saints in the time of St Paul we have now a pastor, here is the quote, "We know that Scripture does not teach that baptism regenerates a person. We are saved by grace alone through faith alone ( Eph. 2:8-9). Nor does Scripture indicate that water baptism is required for a person to be saved." Faith+works
"And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham."(Matt.3:9)This reference though indirect tells us of the spirit of foreknowledge that laces human speech, a manifestation of the grace of God. John the Baptist knew it well what holiness of God entailed. Moses pleaded because of his slowness in speech but what did God tell him? Aaron was his older sibling yet "And thou shalt be to him instead of God." God made him as he was and in his Son he shall be to Aaron an angel, in place of God. It is thus God gave the revelation of Jesus Christ which was revealed to John by his angel. (Re.1:1;Ex.4:18) This cloud of witnesses are names, and spirits of believers called in his Son. How we live in our earthly tabernacles as St Paul exhorts us has direct bearing."Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord."(2 Co.5:6) Holiness of God is in terms of the body so spitting of Christian pilgrims on the streets by ultra-Orthodox Jews is part of Apartheid that goes on even now.Children of Belial shall never understand then as now. Jeering at baldness of Elisha broughtpunishment on the 42 and now what happens to the lawless Jews is a token of God's wrath. How shall man play with moral imperatives keeping of which is one manner of giving glory to God. St Paul here refers of his spiritual body which is present before the Lord.
1 Co.15 "For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive." Here we see the resurrection rendered representational in Christ. When we are dead to sin should we not live in heavenly places than seeking praise of man? Our lives are as many branches to the true Vine.
Whether in body or in spirit Jesus showed obedience as the key verse tells us "that God may be all in all."
"And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
In De.6:4-6 we have Moses addressing the nation of Israel in particular. Failure of Israel was that their hearts were not right before God. "Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord:/And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might./And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart"
When God fed them with the angel's food they lusted after meat. When God presented the bread from heaven they would not receive him. It was thus their heart remained like reprobate silver only fit for slag heap.
St Paul in the key verse speaks of the unity of the Spirit, ""That God may be all in all." God is a Spirit and Will of God sets His holiness in its several modes so in his Son the same Fullness circulates to draw analogy from water cycle how water is exchanged (cycled) through Earth's land, ocean, and atmosphere but water always exists in all three phases., and this unity of God shall be maintained. When Jesus Christ was manifested it was for this purpose. "He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil."( 1John 3:8)
In His Son we we were blessed and by the same token when God prepared a body for his Son we all were foreseen in this spiritual body, a building of God eternal in heavens. So St Paul kept this and walked in faith. (2 Co.5:1). This is called the cloud of witnesses. John the Baptist alluded to it . "And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham."(Matt.3:9). This reference though indirect tells us of the spirit of foreknowledge that laces human speech,
Thank you Ronald, indeed a brother in Christ. Certainly, no offence taken at all. You have shared what you clearly believe from the Word, as I have also done (and btw not from tradition). Actually, I oppose 'tradition' as a basis for belief or action in matters spiritual; so it takes much study & prayer on my part in either accepting or rejecting what is generally accepted by the Church to what is actually given in the Bible. Maybe, that is why I never 'perfectly fit' into any congregation - but again, does anyone if they're honest?
So, in one sense, it becomes a personal matter until the Spirit sheds His Light to bring us understanding. And as I mentioned earlier, we may, even with our differences on this subject, might still be closer in agreement than we realize. After all, you do believe, I trust, that it was God Who placed His Holy Seed in Mary, so immediately we know that this was no ordinary human birth. The matter then surrounds whether this Seed was first in another Form within God's Person Who was also involved in creation & very likely in other Works of God, or not. As you wrote, we will know all these things "at the end of the road". Blessings to you & yours, in Christ Jesus and thanks again for a good lively discussion.
I thank you for even discussing this and whether you consider me a brother I consider you one. All I have replied to you is the truth from my understanding of Scripture. In your reply, I feel I have offended you and that was not my goal. Like I said from the beginning is to convey my understanding of the Scripture. Your understanding is for your conscience. If you choose one road and I choose another we will find the answer at the end of the road. But if we are not willing to empty our minds as we know nothing, in prayer study, we choose tradition over truth.
You posted that ''when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the ALMIGHTY GOD (El Shaddai); walk before me, and be thou perfect".
Who is the Almight GOD? My Lord JESUS said: I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty- Revelation 1:8.
JESUS is the Lord, understand? JESUS is the Almighty, not other name except JESUS is the Almighty- Matthew 28:18
My Lord JESUS and GOD the Father are One. The Word is GOD, GOD Himself, when He was made flesh around 2000 years ago, GOD called Himself of JESUS, don't you know? JESUS /JOSHUA is the true NAME of GOD.
If you believe the name of the I AM is El Shaddai you are believing the Devil.
Cris, be careful and don't fall in the Devil traps.
I'm a disciple of JESUS, who said from He himself " I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning( Genesis 1:1) and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the ALMIGHTY.
My Lord JESUS in His pray to the Father, said: John 17:5-6
5 Now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the WORLD was.
6 I have manifested thy NAME unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy Word.
Chris, what GOD's NAME was manifested by my Lord JESUS?
As you and all can see, Satan contamined and corrupted the environment of the heavenly place established by my GOD here, in fact the environment of the first heavenly place, the first Covenant, the Old Testament, and the Jews of the synagogue of Satan, the killers of the prophets of GOD, yeah, by these disguised Jews GOD's Name was forbidden(by breaking the 3rd Commandment,thus the use of HaShem in substitute), yeah, HaShem, another name of Devil to substitute, to replace the true name of GOD,whose NAME they never wanted to hear speaking.
HaShem and the gold calf are the same, idolatry and sorcery of the Jews of the synagogue of Satan
Stephen in His preaching to the Jews said unto them: Acts 7:53-58
53 Israel have received the law by the disposition of angels, and they have not kept it.
54 When they heard these things, they were cut to the heart, and they gnashed on him with their teeth.
55 But Stephen,being full of the Holy Spirit,looked up stedfastly into heaven,and saw the glory of GOD,and JESUS standing on the right hand of GOD,(not on the right hand of HaShen, Jehovah, Adonai, YHWH, Yahveh, or other DEMONS)
56 And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of GOD.
57 Then they cried out with a loud voice, and stopped their ears, and ran upon him with one accord,
58 And cast Stephen out of the city, and stoned him:
After their hardness and impenitent heart treasured up unto themselves wrath in this Day of wrath and revelation of the righteous Judgment of GOD;
6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds
But after their hardness and impenitent heart, they treasured up unto themselves wrath against this Day of wrath and revelation of the righteous Judgment of GOD; Unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the Truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
Get ready
Re: Exodus 6:2,3. As I re-read it again, I believe that God Himself is telling Moses (& all who read His Word), that His Name is Jehovah but this Name was not known to Abraham, Isaac, & Jacob. They knew Him as "God Almighty" (El Shaddai: the Almighty God) as seen in Genesis 17:1:
"And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the ALMIGHTY GOD (El Shaddai); walk before me, and be thou perfect".
God here in Exodus is stating Who He is to His people under this special Covenant. If you believe that this is not what God said, then I can't go further with it, because I read it with plain understanding. All I can see, is that these names, which you find detestable & demonic, are Hebrew words of God showing Himself in His fullness. But where we have God's compound Names (e.g. Jehovah-Jireh/Ropheka/Nissi/Shalom/Sabaoth/and others) these I will admit are Names that are given when Israel saw their God at Work in their presence but most certainly NOT Satan-inspired names. If anything is debatable or problematic, then we need to search for proof.
What matters and prevails is the Truth,GOD is Truth,and the Truth is only One,The Word Himself is GOD.
You just confirmed by quoting that in original source of Scriptures there is not Yahweh(see,Satan is behind this name,and in his devilish strategy he introduce himself in short as a demonic tetragram YHWH),but the point is also Jehovah,this is another name of the father of the Jews,the father of lie- John 8:44-says it be GOD's name.
But the Devil,father of the Jews,as my Lord JESUS said- John 8:44- father of the lie,he invented another names,you just brings more one fictitious name of GOD invented by the man of sin-the Devil-it is ADONAI,the Devil as a God.Those which invoke Jehovah, Yahweh, YHWH, Adonai.among other fictitious names given by Satan to my GOD,father of JESUS, in fact they are invoking the Devil, CAN YOU SEE? This miscellany/ hodgepodge of names invented by the Devil as if they were names of GOD is a satanic strategy to replace or to erase he NAME of JESUS. Now, the command of the Lord JESUS is to cast down the Devil from heaven to the bottomless pit, chaining him with a great chain. The dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the Devil and Satan will be chained and threw into the bottomless pit, locked and sealed, so that he could not deceive the nations no more.
Exodus 6:2,3(KJV),CJB and Tanack:
The Word, GOD Himself, GOD in Person,He never said His name is Jehovah,and ADONAI,and YHWH,and Yahweh, among other names.In fact Satan invented the names trying to corrupt the Holy Scriptures, the true Word of GOD, the Word is GOD, self-executing, understand?You can see how the Devil, the father of the Jews, father of the lie,has corrupted the original Scriptures through corrupted translations,the Devil always corrupted the nation of Israel through his false prophets and with his idolatries and sorceries, and has also done the same within the Church of my Lord JESUS sowing his tares. The time now is of harvest. Get ready
God bless you both.
So, I think you will notice the differences between the KJB & these other translations (even when looking at the 'modern' English translations). What are your thoughts on this?
Can we then say that Jehovah, Adonai, etc. are spurious, satanic names, or rather, it is how the translators have understood the texts & translated them. And not forgetting, to some Jews, the uttering of God's Name was forbidden (by breaking the 3rd Commandment, thus the use of HaShem in substitute).
When we have so many different renderings of these verses, I believe it is safer & wiser to state that the Name that God proclaimed to His people Israel ( Exodus 6:3: the proper personal Name given to those in a Covenant relationship with Him), was indeed Jehovah. And the other Names used of Him are also valid (which describe God's Nature & Work as manifested to Israel); used or not used for pure reasons & motives, and I believe, not for evil reasons.
Thank you Oseas, that was helpful to me & I did pursue research into what you shared. I first looked at the Complete Jewish Bible & then the Tanakh, and read Isaiah 12:1,2 as follows:
1. On that day you will say: "I thank you, ADONAI, because, although you were angry at me, your anger is now turned away; and you are comforting me.
2. See! God is my salvation. I am confident and unafraid; for Yah ADONAI is my strength and my song, and he has become my salvation! (These verses are a little different to what you've given from the CJB & I wasn't able to easily find online a CJB that read exactly as yours).
Then in the Tanakh, Isaiah 12:1,2 reads:
1. And you shall say on that day, "I will thank You, O Lord, for You were wroth with me; may Your wrath turn away and may You comfort me.
2. Here is the God of my salvation, I shall trust and not fear; for the strength and praise of the Eternal the Lord was my salvation. (So in the Tanakh as well, even though the wording is different, you are correct, Yahweh is not given).
Now let's look at another example: Exodus 6:2,3 (KJV):
2. And God spake unto Moses, and said unto him, I am the LORD:
3. And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.
In the CJB:
2. God spoke to Moshe; he said to him, "I am ADONAI.
3. I appeared to Avraham, Yitz'chak and Ya'akov as El Shaddai, although I did not make myself known to them by my name, Yud-Heh-Vav-Heh [ADONAI].
And in the Tanakh:
2. God spoke to Moses, and He said to him, "I am the Lord.
3. I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob with [the name] Almighty God, but [with] My name YHWH, I did not become known to them. (you may want to re-check these against your readings).
This discussion started for myself when Adam quoted Isaiah 12:1-2, and appeared the pseudo name of Jehovah, which was inadvertently added into the translation from the original source.
Comparing what Adam quoted from Isaiah 12:1-2 in the translations of Scriptures, with the Complete Jewish Bible, here's the difference:
Adam quoted: Is.12:1-2:
1- And in that day thou shalt say, O Lord, I will praise thee: though thou wast angry with me, thine anger is turned away, and thou comfortedst me.
2 Behold, God is my salvation; I will trust, and not be afraid: for the Lord JEHOVAH is my strength and my song; he also is become my salvation.
From Complete Jewish Bible-Is.12:1-2: (Comparison-see the difference)
1And you shall say on that day,"I will thank You,O Lord,for You were wroth with me;may Your wrath turn away and may You comfort me.
2Here is the GOD of my salvation,"I shall trust and not fear;for the strength and praise of the Eternal the Lord was my salvation."
So, Isaiah didn't cited the name of Devil when he preached the message to the people of Israel.Isaiah had the Spirit of Christ, understand?He was a messianic prophet,you know of this.By the way,JESUS still was in the bosom of the Father- John 1:18
You said I should supply my references that you may research this too,I agree,but I did not still do this because the site doesn't accept to post links.My assertions were based from a source called chabad,try to find it: It's Tanakh, the Hebrew Bible, Ketuvin(Scriptures).
As you said, it certainly is a serious matter if both Jews and Christians(then and now)are reading corrupt copies of the original.
Between both Scriptures above quoted,which of them is approved by the Holy Spirit?Only one is true,and approved by the Spirit of Truth.In my vision is the original source,but I'm referring strictly to this portion of Scriptures- Isaiah 12:1-2.
Therefore with joy shall we draw water out of the wells of salvation.
"Even as ye are called in one hope of your calling" (Ep.4:4)We were called before the foundation of the world. St Paul anchors our calling 'in one hope' which is compared to an anchor. "But hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?"(Ro.8:24) St Paul is referring to salvation so hope is well grounded on two worlds of the Spirit and body,- the body prepared for the Son to be precise. Thus we shall read the key verse more precisely as 'In one hope of your profession'. Upon what our hope revolves about? Is it not faith which is one. "Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus." (He.3:1)
He.11:3 lays down the relative positions of the two worlds where faith is one signifying how anyone may be considered as his brethren. "For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren." How can an imposter religion cobbled by a Council be elevated to the body of Christ? The body is perfect because both physical body and spiritual body of the Son set off one other to perfection on account of the obedience. It is what faith with works means, pure and simple. It falls under the divine Will of the Father. "For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings." (He.2:10) What glory can anyone show in the manner the Council of Nicaea settled upon their creed by way of compromise in 325? Instead of falling in line with the Word and the Word become flesh, the will to prevail over each other became the order. Instead of the Son whose mind was to reveal the glory of his Father by obedience we have this slogan "Athanasius contra mundum" as monument to heresies ever since. "Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord," (2 Co.6:17-18)
Adam
It's a pleasure to hear from you and from other brothers in Christ. We know that we are living in the last days, days of perilous times- 2Timothy 3:1. Yes, I have assert my evidence is the everlasting Word of GOD, the Word is GOD Himself, understand? And He never said His name is Jehovah, The original Hebrew says it not, this name was surreptitiously added in the translations of Scriptures by the Devil, even in the current translations of Hebrew Bible, the Torah. By the way, not only the satanic name/nickname Jehovah, but also other devilish NICKNAMES like YHWH, Yahweh, Yehovah,Elohim, Adonai, HaShem, Yahusha, YEHshia, Jehovah, YEHvah.
Well, my GOD is a devouring / consuming fire, understand? As you know, Satan was/is the more subtil than any Beast of the field(the world is the field) which the Lord GOD had made. Satan is the tree of good and evil -the figtree- , so when Satan said unto Adam and Eve they were naked, they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons, indeed they put on the clothes that the Devil gave them. This satanic event occurred around 6000 years ago. Terrible, very terrible.
I understand you and probably others are astonished with these revelations, but what matters and prevails is the righteous Judgment of GOD- Romans 2-, isn't it?
Oh no, I'm not against the true GOD as you are saying here, quite the opposite, I know Him and His Son JESUS, my older brother. The true believers know that whosoever is born of GOD sins not against Him. He that is begotten of GOD keeps himself, and the Wicked one touches him not.
1John 5:19-20
19 And we know that we are of GOD, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.
20 And we know that the Son of GOD is come,and has given us an understanding,that we may know Him that is true,and we are in Him that is true, even in His Son Jesus Christ.This is the true GOD and eternal life(not the satanic Jehovah, YHWH, Yahweh, Yehovah,Elohim, Adonai, HaShem, Yahusha, YEHshia, YEHvah)
Adam is a representational figure. When God put enmity between law of the Spirit against law of sin we see the seed of woman coming under the Law of sin and a world of the flesh, seed of it is under the same curse, " and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel."(Ge,3:15) This word of the flesh creates a body of evidence marked by death. Our wretchedness comes from this realization, "Who shall deliver me from this body of death?" (Ro.7:24)
Jesus became the word become flesh in order to destroy the works of the devil.
Unity of the Spirit brings one Spirit one body under the divine Will of the Father. Thus glory of God is in not only spiritual shadow but is with reference to the body, the spiritual body it is called. It gives each seed divine impetus so to every seed its own body, holiness of which is determined in its association with the Son. Thus in the creation account, where 'seed in itself' speaks of this holy family, (Ge.1:11) God commanded and the effect we read thus: "And it was so." Heaven signifies the will of God and the earth represented by the Son, (the visible image of the invisible God-Col.1:15) sets forth a chain of sequences that we call the church, or in whom is the seed of truth. The new heaven and the new earth, in short refer to the end times when the reconstituted time is no longer required. "That God may be all in all" explains that the Son had fulfilled His will to perfection.(1 Co.15:24-28)
"There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling" (Ep.4:4) God is a Spirit which sets the Law of the body. It is thus the statement need to be interpreted, "Word was God ( John 1:1) so when God framed worlds by his word this unity sanctified both body and the Spirit as one. Consequently the world made to appear can be said thus, "The Word was with God." From this unity of the Spirit the word of God has a source in the voice of the Lord; so has the sign. The earth abideth forever (Ec.1:4) is as eternal as the word settled forever in the heaven.(Ps.119:89) In this context we shall appreciate the Law of the Spirit that governs every atom, micro cosmos as well as cosmos. The Son in whom all the fulness of God dwells therefore would claim, "I and My Father are one." He is the visible image of the invisible God.
Let us consider the speaker. Jesus Christ is the brightness of the glory of his Father and upholding all things by the word of his power. When he came to the earth his human likeness spelled out what qualified any man who would be admitted in the Fellowship of God and Man. "I am the Way". So the body prepared for him before the worlds began was a spiritual body glory of which was the one covered Adam. It is God who gives the seed a body as He did with Adam. As a result he was sanctified, so felt he no shame because pure conscience of power and glory of the Fellowship dwelt on him as well. This is a spiritual body.
"For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren," (He.11:2) Adam was created in 'our image and after our likeness' but we see a complete turn: Having to cover his nakedness with an apron of fig leaves indicates the Law of sin became his master instead.
You've just written, "Tell me: What Scripture is more accurate? The original Hebrew Scriptures, or the copies of the Hebrew Scriptures that were transcribed in a lot and different translations?" If this is so, i.e. you are quoting from the "original Hebrew", then could you supply your references where you learnt this so I may research this as well? Because it certainly is a serious matter if both Jews & Christians (then and now) are reading corrupt copies of the original.
As an example, when speaking with Muslims, I learned that they claim that our Bibles are corrupt, as Jews & Christians (the people of the Book), have changed verses, even removed or added some, making the Bible untrustworthy. So naturally I asked them to show me those changes that were made, & unfortunately but expectedly, they weren't able to, simply because they were parroting what they were told by their imams. In fact, the Qur'an also states that God can remove, change or replace a verse in the Qur'an (2:106; 16:101), but no Muslim can tell us whether what they read presently are true words or false since they might be reading words that have gone through revisions or deletions. Likewise, it is important to know the original, which you refer to, so that we may understand the matter & your belief in it. Thank you.
Your first paragraph, you said the evidence is the Word of God, but the Word of God says God's name is Jehovah and it sounds like you don't like that translation of that verse. The original Hebrew says it too. You said His name isn't there, but it is there. I noticed you used a different English translation- you wrote: "for the strength and praise of the Eternal the Lord was my salvation." This is why I mentioned Strongs that identifies that specific original Hebrew word. Even anti-God, anti-Christian sites like wikipedia agree YHWH is the "the proper name of the God of Israel in the Hebrew Bible".
The second paragraph you wrote is quite a scary sounding belief and I would be very careful what words you use about God especially on a public forum that may affect others. Some might perceive this attacking God as a heresy or blasphemy of the holy spirit. That sure would be scary to call God a bad name and spread anti-God information and put your eternity at risk because of some false assumptions.
Thanks for the interaction, but it seems there's nothing more to discuss on this topic. That's an outrageous claim against God with no evidence to support it. Trying to discredit the KJV on a KJV site is bold and I wonder if there a reason you read the KJV if you don't believe it?
Pardon me for not remembering your beliefs, but do you consider yourself a Christ follower or affiliate yourself with a certain denomination?
Adam
I repeated the original evidence because there is not greater EVIDENCE than the everlasting Word of GOD, is there? The Word is GOD, the invisible, the Omnipotent, and Omniscient and Omnipresent GOD, for me it is He Who is "the Strong's identifier". The Word is self-executing / executable because the Word is GOD, understand? Psalm 33:9 - He -the Word- spake, and it was done; He commanded, and it stood fast.
Yes,I stated that the added name Jehovah(a demonic name of Satan)is not in the original Scriptures as being GOD,Father of my Lord JESUS, but as Lucifer,the son of perdition,father of the Jews as said my Lord JESUS- John 8:44-,transfigured as God- Isaiah 14 combined with 2Thes.2:2-3 among other biblical references, and no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. 2Corinthians 11:14. Be careful, for Satan is wiser than Daniel; there is no secret that can be hidden from him, understand? How can the believers fight against the devilish traps and strategies of the Devil if are not knowing so well the depths of Satan?
You said that If I think there's holes,how am I believe and trust the rest of it and where I draw the line,so I must say that the
limit of the line is in Genesis 2:16-17 and 3:1 combined with Matthew 16:23.Take a look.By the way,his throat is an open sepulchre
You said that I'm using a different translation, and asked so how I know its more accurate and not less accurate.Well,well, I used and am using the same source you used to quote Isaiah 12:1-2,right? Tell me:What Scripture is more accurate?The original Hebrew Scriptures,or the copies of the Hebrew Scriptures that were transcribed in a lot and different translations?
Furthermore, answer your question if I have any more evidence, so let me ask: Is there evidence more truer than the true Word of GOD? The evidence is the Word of GOD. The testimony of GOD is greater.
As you know,the Word of GOD is from everlasting to everlasting,the Word is GOD
Thanks for the reply but it seems you just repeated your original claim without any evidence for it.
You said JEHOVAH isn't there, but you're just using a different translation, so how do you know its more accurate and not less accurate?
Do you have any more evidence?
Here are some corrections. in the first para:first line
please read as "God is a Spirit while Jesus Christ is the visible image of the invisible God." the last two lines, "The ground was cursed by sin so all the evil of our earthly existence owes to it. Without God, they are under judgment."
Third para: "Moses would want to avoid taking up the onerous task of leading a nation of stiff-necked people and use the excuse of having impediment in speech."
"Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself."
God is a Spirit while Jesus Christ is the visible image of the invisible body. This is made distinct by two worlds framed by the word of God by which DNA of a believer is determined by faith.(He.11:3) The first man is earthy and Adam is fashioned from dust of the ground. The Lord from heaven is the Son whose glorious body is manifested by the power of God the Father. Proof of it was that death could not hold him back. Adam represents the earthy more so by his sin of obedience provides a body under curse. The ground was cursed by sin so all the evil of our earthly existence owe to it. Without God stopping it it is under judgment.
St Paul speaks of those who are under no condemnation because the Law of the Spirit has set them free. On one hand we have MTP, malformed babies, LGBTQ which are all part of the collateral damage of the fall of man.
Moses would want to take up the onerous task of leading a nation of stiff-necked peopl and use the excuse of having impediment in speech. Oh no He who made mouth of a man was there to prove it had nothing to do with His holiness. Holy is His name. His Son saw to that the glorious body of Moses overcame all physical challenges.
In short in the world of the Spirit we are surrounded by the glorious spiritual body of the Son,"according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself."Evangelicalst who cause division for pro-Life and anti-Abortion laws say they have faith in Jesus Christ but deny the power thereof. They serve Satan in causing divisions.. "Beware of dogs" St Paul calls them. They traduce the disenfranchised people of color and other ethnicities as slackers and free loaders. It is thus we have children of light and children of wrath. ( 1 John 3:8)
Dear Heavenly Father, take Mike in Your arms and help him be positive as to this situation following the seizure. Bring healing to his body, especially his brain that caused the seizure to occur. Give Mike confidence, peace, and the faith to go forward after this event. May You surround him with Your powerful healing and restoration in HIs body and soul that He may praise You and lay His life before You with trust and hope in You always. We ask this of You Father, in the name of Jesus, Amen.
Adam
As you know, the Bible is about two Covenants- The OT and NT.
What we are commenting is about the OT, not about the NT, for there is not that NAME or nickname in the NT. Remember: You quoted Isaiah 12:1-2.
Isaiah 16:-1-2 in the OT -Nevin'im(Prophets) Yeshayahu(Isaiah) is written as follow:
1 And you shall say on that day, I will thank You, O Lord, for You were wroth with me, may Your wrath turn away and may You comfort me.
2 Here is the God of my salvation, I shall trust and not fear; for the strength and praise of the Eternal the Lord was my salvation.
In fact that name was added in the translations inadvertently, but the name you have mentioned it is not the only fictitious name or nickname added in the OT (not added in the Bible as a whole-OT&NT), there are several others: I have listed YHWH, Yahweh, Yehovah,Elohim, Adonai, HaShem, Yahusha, YEHshia, Jehovah, YEHvah, these names are not NAMES of GOD, quite the opposite, all these names listed are strictly the names of the father of the Jews- John 8:44 combined with Revelation 12:3-4.
JESUS in His prayer to the Father, said: John 17:6 - I have manifested thy NAME unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: ... -->What's NAME?)
"Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?"
Baptism for the dead, there is nothing to be afraid of and dying daily is not a sacrament but comes under the department of works. What is baptism but an act of faith? Faith without works is dead. So what shall we make of the doctrine of man which Evangelical refers to their activism? On one hand they repudiate 'works' the labor of love done in Christ but with both hand embrace Christian nationalism, Pro-life movement and 'prosperity'? "For God is not unrighteous to forget your work and labour of love, which ye have shewed toward his name," (He.6:10-15) so works done toward his name must be done with "the same diligence to the full assurance of hope unto the end." This inheritance of promises is unlocked by his name than 'active' faith preached by imposter religion to loosen the tight fist of God. It is thus Satan has deceived them and their prosperity theology is a classic example.
If you died to the world of sin and the world you are as St Paul says,"I protest by your rejoicing which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily." (1 Co.15:30-31). The Nicene creed says, "I acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins." For those children of disobedience who fight for faith but in works do the devil's business, stoke cultural wars and help as one famous preacher in the late 60s helped the US President's Southern agenda by publicly stating that all rapists should be castrated merely shows the malaise of the mainstream Christianity feeding upon the Pagan Rome for its growth. Where death worked for saints in the time of St Paul we have now a pastor, here is the quote, "We know that Scripture does not teach that baptism regenerates a person. We are saved by grace alone through faith alone ( Eph. 2:8-9). Nor does Scripture indicate that water baptism is required for a person to be saved." Faith+works
"And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham."(Matt.3:9)This reference though indirect tells us of the spirit of foreknowledge that laces human speech, a manifestation of the grace of God. John the Baptist knew it well what holiness of God entailed. Moses pleaded because of his slowness in speech but what did God tell him? Aaron was his older sibling yet "And thou shalt be to him instead of God." God made him as he was and in his Son he shall be to Aaron an angel, in place of God. It is thus God gave the revelation of Jesus Christ which was revealed to John by his angel. (Re.1:1;Ex.4:18) This cloud of witnesses are names, and spirits of believers called in his Son. How we live in our earthly tabernacles as St Paul exhorts us has direct bearing."Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord."(2 Co.5:6) Holiness of God is in terms of the body so spitting of Christian pilgrims on the streets by ultra-Orthodox Jews is part of Apartheid that goes on even now.Children of Belial shall never understand then as now. Jeering at baldness of Elisha broughtpunishment on the 42 and now what happens to the lawless Jews is a token of God's wrath. How shall man play with moral imperatives keeping of which is one manner of giving glory to God. St Paul here refers of his spiritual body which is present before the Lord.
1 Co.15 "For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive." Here we see the resurrection rendered representational in Christ. When we are dead to sin should we not live in heavenly places than seeking praise of man? Our lives are as many branches to the true Vine.
Whether in body or in spirit Jesus showed obedience as the key verse tells us "that God may be all in all."
"And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
In De.6:4-6 we have Moses addressing the nation of Israel in particular. Failure of Israel was that their hearts were not right before God. "Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord:/And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might./And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart"
When God fed them with the angel's food they lusted after meat. When God presented the bread from heaven they would not receive him. It was thus their heart remained like reprobate silver only fit for slag heap.
St Paul in the key verse speaks of the unity of the Spirit, ""That God may be all in all." God is a Spirit and Will of God sets His holiness in its several modes so in his Son the same Fullness circulates to draw analogy from water cycle how water is exchanged (cycled) through Earth's land, ocean, and atmosphere but water always exists in all three phases., and this unity of God shall be maintained. When Jesus Christ was manifested it was for this purpose. "He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil."( 1John 3:8)
In His Son we we were blessed and by the same token when God prepared a body for his Son we all were foreseen in this spiritual body, a building of God eternal in heavens. So St Paul kept this and walked in faith. (2 Co.5:1). This is called the cloud of witnesses. John the Baptist alluded to it . "And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham."(Matt.3:9). This reference though indirect tells us of the spirit of foreknowledge that laces human speech,
So, in one sense, it becomes a personal matter until the Spirit sheds His Light to bring us understanding. And as I mentioned earlier, we may, even with our differences on this subject, might still be closer in agreement than we realize. After all, you do believe, I trust, that it was God Who placed His Holy Seed in Mary, so immediately we know that this was no ordinary human birth. The matter then surrounds whether this Seed was first in another Form within God's Person Who was also involved in creation & very likely in other Works of God, or not. As you wrote, we will know all these things "at the end of the road". Blessings to you & yours, in Christ Jesus and thanks again for a good lively discussion.
I thank you for even discussing this and whether you consider me a brother I consider you one. All I have replied to you is the truth from my understanding of Scripture. In your reply, I feel I have offended you and that was not my goal. Like I said from the beginning is to convey my understanding of the Scripture. Your understanding is for your conscience. If you choose one road and I choose another we will find the answer at the end of the road. But if we are not willing to empty our minds as we know nothing, in prayer study, we choose tradition over truth.
Love you brother.
God bless,
RLW