Bible Discussion PAGE 30

  • SC - in Reply on Psalms 91
    Yes, God Is Spirit!

    The "Love Covenant" of God The Father is with His Wife, God The Mother first, then to their Spiritual Children.

    Gender starts in the Spiritual-Realm of God The Father, and God The Mother first, and that's not a bad thing, so accept it, and get over it!

    Genesis 1:26,27, Galations 4:26

    The perfect-order of a family is, Father, Mother and Children, spirit ually first, then physically. To be a true Child of God, you need to know your Spiritual Parents, and accept Them.

    However, because of "the fall", the sin of Adam+Eve, an evil spiritual-realm of darkness now exists, and too many men are rejecting the perfect-order of God, MelquisedecLisbet.

    In the Spirit-Realm every thing exists before it exists in the physical-realm; like houses, cars, animals, plants, spices, men, women, male, female and all the details, design and spiritual engineering that go along with these things.

    The Spiritual Light of God, Jesus Christ(The Holy Spirit in the flesh, God The Spiritual Mother), and God The Spiritual Father, with Their Spiritual Children, will eventually totally eliminate the spiritual-realm of darkness of this world.
  • CARLOS RAMIREZ TREVINO - in Reply on Matthew 24:38
    Jesse, Good try, but consider this. Is there a logical transition in Matthew 24:16, that turns the conversation to the Jews? The discourse begins with Jesus and his followers (disciples), which Mark 13 says included Peter, James, John and Andrew. The message of Christ is to Believers. To His followers. Mention of Judea, which happens often in the NT, is not enough.

    The Pulpit Commentary might shed some light on this.

    "Christians seem to have taken this advice when the city was attacked by Costius Gallus, about A.D. , some three or more years before the siege under Vespasian. Gallus had appeared before the walls, and apparently had every hope of taking the city, when, for some reason not certainly known (either owing to a supposed defeat, or ignorance of his own success, or the advice of his generals), he suddenly withdrew his forces (Josephus, 'Bell. Jud.,' 2:19, 6, 7). The Christians, bearing Christ's warning in mind, and having, as we may conjecture, seen the predicted sign, took the opportunity of flight from the doomed city, and made their escape to Pella."

    I don't know why prophecies have historical "shadows" of what is to come, but clearly, mention of Judea does not mean the message was for the Jews. We can't argue in favor of something, from silence. At best, we can say Christ mentioned Judea because He was in Judea. Matthew 4:25 says, "Large crowds from Galilee, the Decapolis, Jerusalem, Judea and the region across the Jordan followed him."

    As most likely with you, I was taught a dispensationalist view of Scripture. And there are things in that that make sense. But, Christ is warning all of us that the Coming and our gathering up to Him will be Immediately After the Great Tribulation. That's why He goes on to warn us to be prepared, in Chapter 25. There is no Pre-Trib Rapture. As Bob Hilt pointed out, if there were, then there would have to be more than 2 resurrections. Two are mentioned. One at the Coming and Rapture of Christ and then the 2nd.
  • Jes - in Reply on Matthew 1
    Matthew 1: 16 says Jacob is the father of Joseph, not Jesus. Matthew 1:20 tells us that Joseph comes from the generation of David.
  • Carl - in Reply
    Hi Michael,

    Yes I will pray, and I wish you courage in the battle! God will help you win!

    I don't know your personal situation, but if it's ok, I'd like to share a little thot based on my own experience...

    Sometimes we can pray and work hard to fight off the devil / negative thots and feelings. Sometimes tho, there is amazing victories when we start looking for, and doing good and positive things. (This in itself is not salvation; that only comes thru Jesus' blood.) But there are many positive things we can do to overcome the devil's negativity, and God turns the tide of the battle for us.

    Some simple things could include: finding someone on this website who needs an encouragement; if you have a family - bend over a little extra for each one of them; if you leave your house - make a conscious effort to smile or have a friendly chat with those you interact with; etc, etc the list could go on for days!

    Please pardon me if these thots are not applicable to you at this time; I only mean the best, and wish you every success in your Christian life!

    Carl
  • Madalyn Hemphill on Psalms 8
    There has been many different commentators explaining as to whether or not we will know each other in heaven. I am searching the truth, what the KJV scriptures of the Holy Bible says. As I understand it, we will not know each other. I want the truth according to what God/Jesus says in the Bible.
  • Carl - in Reply
    Hi Diane,

    Thanks for sharing your heartache...it is so hard when young people who have chosen God's way, become discouraged and lose heart in their Christian lives. And when they express themselves thru anger, it makes it even sadder and hard to know how to help them! But there is so much power in a mother's prayer, and I can sense that you love him and pray a lot for him. Keep that up, we also will pray for him. And for you too, that you can keep your faith while God keeps working in your son's life.

    I love today's verse of the day, and it is so fitting here "Commit thy way unto the LORD; trust also in him; and he shall bring it to pass." Psalms 37:5

    God bless!

    Carl
  • CARLOS RAMIREZ TREVINO - in Reply on Genesis 10
    Chris, following up on where I left off. As you point out, Hebrews 10:5 "speaks of the temporary, deficient & incompleteness of the sacrificial system & that only God's offering would accomplish God's Purposes." So, the logical conclusion is that if:

    1. God prepared a body for Christ

    2. And He prepared that human body before creation (2 Timothy 1:9)

    3. And God created mankind in His image

    4. Then, can we conclude God created man so Christ could have a human body in His image?

    Or was it accidental? God either created man in His image on purpose and with a purpose, or the body for Christ was a convenient accident. Wasn't the Law, to include sacrifices, set up by God as a Shadow of what was to come? If the Law was a Shadow, what was it a Shadow of? For there to be a Shadow, there has to be a real object that casts that Shadow. And which comes first, the shadow or the object that casts that Shadow? Colossians 2:17. And if a Shadow, when was that Shadow cast? When God used an animal to clothe Adam and Eve? When Abel offered a better sacrifice than Cain? Or when Abraham offered his son on the altar?

    We see from these Scriptures, I hope, the Shadow of Christ's Sacrifice was cast prior to anything being created. Hebrews 8:5. Consequently, is it fair to conclude that both the Shadow and the object that casts that Shadow, Christ, were for Christ to enter the world as the True Sacrificial Lamb? Colossians 2:17, Isaiah 49:6, 51:5.

    Isaiah 40:3 sounds the call to prepare the way for the Lord. You said, "It does not speak of man being created to open the way for Christ to come & be his Sacrifice." But if the call is not to man, who is the call to? Who was to come? A man. Why did God make man in His image? Because an animal could not meet the needs only the Man Christ could satisfy.

    And when did Christ start casting the Shadow? He started casting the Shadow back to the beginning of time, from the 1st Century Cross, to before creation. John 8:58. Which came 1st, Man, Shadow or Christ?
  • DaLanie - in Reply on Revelation 7:9
    I am not aloud to go visit him, even if I wanted to which I do, I can't due to the COVID-19 outbreak. But another thing that I seem to be struggling with when it comes to this situation is that my whole family prayed constantly because we have been told that God will answer all of our prayers, but they weren't answered. And it is really disappointing.
  • Obbie Beal on Luke 19
    41 And when he was come near, he beheld the city, and wept over it,42 saying, If thou hadst known, even thou, at least in this thy day, the Things which belong unto thy PEACE! but now they are hid from thine eyes. 43 For the days shall come upon thee, that thine enemies shall cast a trench about thee, and compass thee round, and keep thee in on every side, 44 And shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the TIME of thy visitation.

    Note: 41 JESUS wept over the city/the people. 42 There was Things the people of the city should have known which was directly connected to their PEACE, never-the-less 43 because the people failed to know those Things, the hour would arrive when the city /people would be completely surrounded by their enemies 44 and completely destroyed because the people /city failed to know the TIME of Visitation..... fast forward 2 thousands years and a repeat of 41-44 above is at the door of a city /people again. This repeat is liken unto 8-months, 3-weeks, 6-days, ready or not it shall come forth............... Thank GOD for SALVATION through John 3:16-21, other Bible verses also.
  • Josephine jossy on James 2
    Comment* after reading this chapter, i have come to realise that faith alone cannot give us salvation but faith wit work.
  • Mountain Preacher on Ezekiel 13
    Thank you Chris . I still find this to be a strange saying .
  • Mishael to Robert - in Reply on Genesis 10
    Only God the Father knows the time. Jesus is seated at Gods right hand making intercession for the saints. When it is time God will announce its time. Jesus (our Bridegroom) will stand and call up His saints (His Bride). We all will attend a wedding feast. At the end of that...I believe that Revelation goes into 2nd gear. Part is happening now: the oceans are dying. The stars are dimming. The earth is heating up. The Holy Spirit said it's not global warming. We have fire, floods, drought. It affects our economy. We now have an illness no one knows how to cure. Wormwood is out there on its way here.

    Israel is being pushed to accept a two state solution. God gave the land to Israel. Israel is back in their land and now LOVE their land and intend fully to defend it. There is a lot to look for the heartbeat of scripture.

    Nite yall
  • Luis - in Reply on 1 Corinthians 6
    Would Jesus smoke or have tattoos?
  • Luis - in Reply on 1 Corinthians 6
    Praise the Lord!
  • Chris - in Reply on Revelation 7:9
    DaLanie, you've presented a very sad situation that so many also face, & there are no simple answers to it since the legal processes have been at work, however, erroneous they may have appeared to be. As Mishael said, you can get legal aid to find out your options & also to have a second hearing (hopefully it will proceed properly).

    You can also visit with your loved one in prison, attend to his needs, phone calls, encouraging words from the Bible, & all these under girded with much prayer, that the Lord Who sees all things, will turn the hearts of men in power. Your loved one must never feel abandoned & he should use his time in prison wisely, whether in work there as an inmate, or volunteering help to the prison system, or even having spiritual discussions with others (if he is allowed to). The authorities will notice the different person that he is, & no doubt his behaviour & submission to authority, may just lessen the sentence given. Most importantly, your loved one needs to keep his faith strong & not succumb to Satan ploys & to daily seek to use God's Love & Wisdom to minister to others. Blessings all round will surely be seen.
  • Chris - in Reply on Genesis 10
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    And as I'm about to send this off, I see another comment from you, re: the two trees. And now I focus on: "The Genesis account of the Garden is clearly allegorical." Taking a deep breath & staying focussed, I believe that I can now in truth, understand how you are perceiving Scripture. To say that the Garden of Eden & subsequent events were an allegory, leaves a great chasm between us that can never diminish. If that Garden was an allegory, what about when Jesus was led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil? One could allegorize this as well quite easily. Therefore, I feel that I now have a handle on your thoughts about all we discussed, and that is, we are basically viewing the Scriptures in quite different ways. Again, thank you for your time Carlos, & I will attend to other points that you might raise, but of course with a better understanding of your perceptions.
  • Chris - in Reply on Genesis 10
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    You said: "I repeat my previous assertion that, corruption was an inevitable consequence of creation. Were that not true, God would not have created an existence susceptible to corruption." So the other aspect I see here (in a similar thought to 'Planning' & 'Foreknowledge'), is that you are possibly viewing God's Plans from the end & working backwards; so working backwards: God's Plan was to have a perfect restoration of all things since creation would undoubtedly be corrupted (i.e. the end of the Plan), but to get there, Satan had to be locked away for good, Christ had to come for sin, corruption of man & His other creation had to happen, Satan had to come into the picture, & therefore, God had to make a creation susceptible to that end (the beginning of the Plan). I realize you may not see it this way, indeed I may be quite wrong, but it's the only way I can make sense of your views.

    My view (with the Foreknowledge of God) works from the beginning: Creation of all things is perfect, Satan entered, man sinned, corruption of man & creation occurred, Christ had to come, Satan would be locked away, & God's Plan for a perfect restoration of all things realized. Anyway, as I said, this type of view (of Planning or Foreknowledge) does help me understand. (onto Page 4)
  • Chris - in Reply on Genesis 10
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    The word that I find is better suited is 'Foreknew'. Using the same scenarios of a world created perfect but would ultimately be corrupted, that man would fall into sin of his own choosing, that Satan would undoubtedly tempt him to do so, etc., are what I see as God's Foreknowledge, rather than His Planning. Even after studying your detailed explanation on these matters, I cannot fathom a Holy God planning to engineer certain things (which would necessarily include sin) from Creation to the full restoration of all things in the future, so that His Plans & Purposes would be realized. I rather see that He foreknew all things, that even in Creation, he knew man would corrupt himself, that Satan would not be far away, that the sacrificial system given to Israel was only temporary & a shadow of the True, that Christ must needs come to deal with the sin issue, that Satan would be finally be locked away & full restoration of all things be accomplished. Now how this 'foreknowledge' of God relates to His 'Planning' to accomplish all things, maybe a 'fine line' of interpretation. But I see that God's Foreknowledge determined His Plan to accomplish His Purposes, & that nothing would take Him by surprise, for He already knew all about all events. I agree, that He knew beforehand that His perfect Creation would one day succumb to corruption, but I see that He also continued on with creating, knowing that through man's knowledge of his sinfulness & need of a Saviour (which man couldn't provide), that the love the man lost because of sin & separation to God, would now be restored in full measure in the knowledge of God's Love for him in Jesus. (onto Page 3).
  • Chris - in Reply on Genesis 10
    Page 1.

    Carlos, I had replied to the first page you posted in your lengthy response to me, but I don't see it anywhere, so I'm going to try & deal with the crux of these matters, though appreciating the time you've taken in your detailed response. As well, I'm now inundated with your further postings, finding myself quite buried & gasping for air. I have looked at all of them, but I don't think I have the capacity & fortitude to deal with each matter. So with apologies for dealing so briefly as opposed to the time you've kindly expended to me, I write the following:

    The two key words used here is 'Planned' & 'Foreknew'. You have used the word 'Planned' often & I think that I'm not seeing the meaning in your way. Planning, for me, is when (in human terms), one sits down & sets a Plan on paper which brings in all manner of aspects for consideration, including possibilities for the proposed Plan to go one way or the other, hurdles, time lines, etc. When I apply it to God planning for certain things to happen (e.g. creation of man so that Christ could come to save him; planning the future so that certain things could happen & God Himself would be subject to it, etc.), I think of just that: God has laid out a Plan for events, good & bad, to happen & so His Purposes are fulfilled. That man was created into corruption, so Christ could enter that world of corruption to rid man & the world of it, was His Plan, causes me to gasp at such a thought. (onto Page 2)
  • DaLanie - in Reply on Revelation 7:9
    Yes, I am a christian and so is the family member of mine. I love and believe in God, but I haven't known him very long sadly. And my family is currently trying to get a public offender know to see what we can do. And I also like to believe that the person will win there case before God 100%. But, Thank you so much for your help Mishael I appreciate it. Stay safe and take care and God Bless you. :)
  • Bob Hilt - in Reply on Matthew 24:38
    If Jews are all of Israel and they are the chosen people...then why did the Lord DIVORCE THEM?

    Jeremiah 3:8 "And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of DIVORCE divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also."
  • Bob Grove on 2 Timothy 3
    A thought on corona virus , it's a man made problem , and out of control . Man can not understand Gods creation because God hid it from man . The covid 19 is an example of how destructive man can be . But it's effect is not really as bad as the fear it produced .
  • Bob Hilt - in Reply on Genesis 10
    Good question. is there a 1 1/2 coming and then a 2nd coming? Jesus told us how the order of events are as

    Jesus tells us plainly in Matthew 13:24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:

    25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed (weeds) tares among the wheat, and went his way.

    26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.

    27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?

    28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?

    29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.

    30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together FIRST first the TARES (WEEDS) tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn. (first the tares WEEDS get gathered, then wheat last) could it be any more plain than this?

    Matthew 13:36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.

    37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;

    38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;

    39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.

    40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
  • Bob Grove on 2 Timothy 3
    The verses 15,16,17, are so important to fully grasp . It been a foundational truth to me , I thank The lord for giving this truth to me , it has helped me trust Scripture more than anything else . Years ago and more today . Ask God for wisdom and understanding. And get it too . Doing brings blessings that last for eternity.
  • Adam - in Reply
    Congratulations Freda! May God bless you in this new career path.
  • Joe - in Reply on John 19
    Please read John 19 vs 26 - the disciple standing by whom he loved This disciple is John, the brother of James both of whom were of the 12 apostles. No where in the scriptures is John Mark referred to as the disciple whom Jesus loved.

    John Mark was a traveling companion of Paul and Barnabas; in fact it is generally thought that John Mark was related to Barnabas (as a cousin or nephew). Paul and Barnabas has a very big disagreement over John Mark causing them to part ways at Pamphylia.
  • Mishael - in Reply on Revelation 7:9
    All I know is that Jesus is your Advocate;

    Your attorney who speaks for you when Satan accuses you before the throne.

    1 John 2:1

    If the defendant is innocent; then he should win his case before God.

    I'm not an attorney.

    I'm going to note that you have not said if this person is a born again Christian. Are you a Christian? Meet with legal aid and find out if evidence can be reviewed. Write everything down.
  • CARLOS RAMIREZ TREVINO - in Reply on Genesis 10
    Chris, You state your points clearly, convincingly and succinctly. I wish I had that talent. And I wonder if saying the same thing a different way will move the conversation so those that read it will benefit. And although you grasp much of what I say, I wonder if there's more I haven't said or haven't said well. So I will outline my understanding below.

    Before God created anything, He Planned His creation

    Christ, as Savior, was included in that Plan

    The Plan also included Redemption

    The eradication of Wickedness (corruption)

    Vanquishing Death

    Establishing Eternal Perfection

    Creation of Mankind

    A Material creation as a parenthesis in eternity, With a beginning and an end

    At some point in time or before time Lucifer and other Angels rebelled

    The devil was banished to the Garden of Eden

    Man was created and placed in the Garden

    God Planted 2 Trees in the Garden before the Fall

    The devil tempted Adam and Eve

    They sinned and all mankind was imputed with the penalty

    Does the Bible say God knew Adam would to disobey Him? No. It implies He was not aware Genesis 3:11

    If God did know, why didn't He stop them? God had a Plan called His "Eternal Purpose" Ephesians 1:4-11, 3:11, Isaiah 46:10-11

    Why did God create man, knowing man would disobey? For Christ Colossians 1:16, Romans 11:36

    Why did God get rid of everyone but Noah? His Promise and Covenant Genesis 3:15

    Why did God create man in His image? To prepare a body for Christ. Psalms 40:6, Hebrews 10:5

    Why did God Plant the Tree of Life in the Garden, before the Fall? We don't know Genesis 3:22, 24

    Who is the Tree of Life? Jesus? Revelation 22:2

    Who is the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil? The devil Ezekiel 31, Matthew 12:33-34

    Were Adam and Eve given a choice on whether to eat from the Tree of KGE or others? No. Genesis 3

    Why did God include Christ in His Pre-creation Plan? To rescue all things created from perdition Ephesians 1:10, Colossians 1:20

    What was God's pre-creation Purpose? To reconcile all things in heaven and earth to Himself Colossians 1:13-20, Ephesians 1:10
  • Mishael to Krysta - in Reply on Acts 9
    God gave all this information to Holy men of God to publish Bibles for this generation. He is NOT a man. He has given man and woman every opportunity to love Him and learn of Him. His son Jesus became all God and son of Man to come to earth to save all mankind. Not willing that ANY should perish but that ALL would come to repentance....to be born again.

    He gave us 10 simple guidelines to live our lives. Jesus gave us 2 commandments, which take the place of the 10. If we love each other...we'll fulfill the 10. Simple.

    I don't know about you but plenty of people were unfair to me; let me down. I was bleeding out so-to-speak When I came to Jesus. I was crouched on a chair with a vision of hell in my floor and an invisible Hand extended to me, above my head. I grabbed the Hand!! For me that was when life began.

    He's not being mean to people. What is it when people ignore their Creator and choose to be spiritually blind and deaf?

    I'll show you some mercy...all the babies and little children will be taken to heaven at the rapture of the church, world wide. God will not let them suffer. Read all of the book of John. No skipping around. Is Jesus mean?

    Don't be clueless like I was. Just take the Hand of God and walk with Him.

    I asked my mother once why she didn't read the Bible. She countered with being baptized as a child and believing in heaven. I asked her why wouldn't you want to know every thing possible about Someone you want to spend eternity with? She began reading her Bible every day. She died 6 months later. I miss her. I'll see her again.

    Receive Jesus. Let Him have your past and you take His future.
  • Mishael on Revelation 7:9
    Someone needs to be brave and just get it down to bare bones about the Rapture; and the Second Coming. Two separate events.

    The bare bones is this: quit waiting for some big sign post in the sky that says it's going to be tonight or next week. Our time for sin is done. Quit wondering and open up the door of your heart that Jesus is knocking on.

    Give your life to Jesus Christ... and take His Life. Accept him as your Savior and Lord.

    Take yourself OFF of the throne of your heart....and PUT Jesus on that throne. Do it now!

    End your fleshly, worldly lifestyle and begin to live for Jesus only. If the Holy Spirit cringes in your home....get rid of the idols.

    You cannot learn the Bible with media all over your home. Stop now and read this passage: it's about the media!! Isaiah 8:18-22. Wizards that peep and mutter are computers that are hooked up to internet, Facebook, evil Twitter of voices of heartless hell bound people. Verse 20, because there is NO LIGHT in them! People feed themselves on garbage every day. No wonder there is no sense of stability in their christian walk.

    We're living in Bottom Line days here! The moment Jesus speaks COME UP, we are gone. The door is shut.

    Avoid all the confusion of varying opinions. BE BORN AGAIN NOW. Then you won't have to wonder when THE MOMENT will be. Your ticket is punched. You are ready to board!!

    We are surely going to see Matthew 24 bloom and spread out across the world. Time for lively debates has passed. If you care so much, go next door and see if your neighbor is ready....and to others on the street. Romans chapter one.

    If other people are not saved; do not want to be saved; ask you to leave (Romans 1)

    They are dead already. Noah's world drowned. This world is going by fire.

    It blows my mind that people are not one bit curious about New Jerusalem? Are not highly excited about meeting the Son of God. Beloveds, look forward. Be ready. Keep your eyes on Jesus.


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