I too have what is called spiritual discernment. I thought it would be prudent to differentiate between someone who is very sensitive to emotions; and someone who is able to sense both good and evil which is a spiritual gift.
Normally; of course there is some crossover; I believe the Lord often uses someone who is very open and instills the spiritual gift.
The danger here is that when we sense evil we are overwhelmed quite often; I assume it isn't the presence of God around someone that causes too much of your distress. That can be overwhelming though as well.
First off; if someone is truly being driven by a demon you need to be able to stand on the authority of the Lord; and become wise as to when to say something and when to remain silent and in a prayer mode. The Lord likely will make that clear to you if for instance; someone starts manifesting then you need to take charge and perhaps do a deliverance. That involves several things; such as getting a person to want to repent of strongholds that are giving a demon legal authority to torment them.
There are some out there openly worshipping the Devil; and others who are influenced that way who want nothing to do with God. God of course gives us a spirit of boldness; not fear. It is helpful to understand common sins that bind people and also be cautious that you yourself aren't tempted. The enemy will give you many doubts but if you are called for deliverance ministry others will be there to guide you in what to do.
What is another factor here is sensing these things in the congregation; again when there are problems often sin has entered the camp so to speak. What we don't know right away are the physiological and other issues that give us a more complete picture of what's going on until we get to know somebody better. I find it helpful when I sense the Lord strongly around someone to find out why; and hopefully learn something from them. I pray you can balance your gifts with others.
Whenever I feel the ay you describe I remind myself of how Elijah felt when he had run from Jezebel to the cave in I Kings 19 feeling as though he alone was zealous for God and His ways. God told Elijah that He had set apart 7000 in Israel that have not bent their knee to Ba'al nor kissed the image with their mouths. God spoke to Elijah in His still small voice, reassuring Elijah that he was not alone in following God whole heartedly and lifted up the prophet's spirit into being hopeful and courageous to go from the cave and do just as God told HIm to do.
We. too, can trust that God is able to keep those who are His and bring them to hope and assurance of having many brethren that are like you and I and many on this site. The world is full of strong Christians who are fighting the good fight of faith and obedience, many facing martyrdom. But in the U.S. and Europe, much complacency, as you state. Like you, I hate those whose witness is so shallow that any demand of discipleship is seen as too much for them to pursue and the commands of Christ in his recorded words in the gospels and what He spoke through Paul and other apostles are seen as an impingement on their "freedom in Christ".
Indeed, we are free in Christ, to do what is good and right, not to continue in evil ways and worldliness. Perhaps many people who live carnally for themselves, for their comfort, and for their preferred sins have been ill-taught, but anyone who truly searches the Scriptures knows that we are to live godly lives in this wicked generation, fight against the sinful nature that we all have up until our body dies, and resist the lies and deceptions of the wicked one who wants to woo us into complacency, desensitize us to our own sinful ways and that of the community we live in (socially and society wise), and have us believe that right is wrong and wrong is O.K. for believers as well as unbelievers. He will lull any who are not diligent and careful.
I hope you are doing well these past few weeks. Miss having you posting here, but sometimes we all need a little break. I am thinking of you and, of course, keeping you in my prayers.
"Those things, which ye have both learned, and received, and heard, and seen in me, do: and the God of peace shall be with you." Philippians 4:9 KJV
Those things which you do...
"I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus." Philippians 3:14 KJV
press toward the prize
"Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers, beware of the concision." Philippians 3:2 KJV
But beware
"Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus." Philippians 3:12 KJV
Has hasn't yet attained the prize and has not been perfected yet, but strives to (v15).
"For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:" Philippians 3:20 KJV
What stood out to me about these verses is:
1. Paul gives a series of challenges and leads by example. He writes that Christianity is something that is practiced, involves effort, is an action, by doing, like running a race to receive a prize. Not that he's earning it by works. This is clarified many times. But genuine and not a 1-minute prayer someone made 30 years ago where nothing changed and nothing was practiced since.
2. Paul says he hasn't yet attained the salvation. He has hope for salvation, but doesn't say he was already "saved" and finished and can just sit around watching Seinfeld reruns.
The reason for sharing: I think it might help someone, because what I hear in sermons and the way people talk, it seems Christians don't take Christianity very seriously. There's little to no transformation. Paul says to become a slave of righteousness, and people are like, "no thanks, I didn't sign up for that." They're acting like they got a golden entry ticket and they're done. They assume they don't have to change, can continue to deeply enjoy sin, enjoy flesh, and enjoy the benefits of satan. Though they don't realize who they're actually following.
You are giving a great highlight about JESUS's work, and quoted John 10:16, that says: Other sheep I have, which are not of this fold (the Gentiles): them also I MUST bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd. In my vision, JESUS was speaking of His Universal work bringing the Gentile people to salvation according the plan of GOD the Father in to create one Universal fold and one Universal Shepherd.
There is an wonderful and wise interpretation of Paul Apostle, saying to the Church of Ephesians 2:12-18
12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without GOD in the world:
13 But NOW in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
14 For He is our peace, who hath MADE BOTH ONE, and hath BROKEN DOWN the middle wall of partition between us;
15 Having abolished in His flesh the enmity, even the Law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in Himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
16 And that He might reconcile both unto GOD in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
17 And came and preached peace to you which were afar off (the Gentiles), and to them that were nigh(the Jews).
18 For through Him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father. - Hallelujaaaah!!!
This psalm is set from two standpoints. "The Lord said unto my Lord," refers to the Father Son relationship which is how we ought to approach this reverential psalm so God a Spirit represents the world of the Spirit. (Ps.110:1) In the night vision of Daniel the Ancient of days fit that part and the one like unto the Son of man (he came with the clouds of heaven-Dan.7:13)presented before him has this cloud in attendance. (He.12:1)
These witnesses are called by God before the worlds began and given to the Son. "And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand." ( John 10:28). This cloud refers to a flock and it is to which David refers. The Ancient of days works from his fiery throne (7:9)so the Psalm 110 can be now put in proper perspective. "Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool./TheLordshall send the rod of thy strength out of Zion: rule thou in the midst of thine enemies." (vv.1-2) When he sent his only begotten Son to the world the fiery wheels of his throne of flaming fire did not stop turning. "My Father worketh hitherto, and I work."( John 5:17) explains a continual action. The word of God is in control.
The fiery wheels of God ever turn slowly so the Son may ever rule in the midst of thine enemies. In this context the message to the church of Philadelphia promises them an open door."behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it." While the churches are persecuted,- there were broadly ten persecutions, Jesus Christ assures them deliverance so they could every one of them say, "The Lord is my shepherd; I shall not want."(23:1) Before we study the doors in heaven vis a vis heart as a door this psalm shall fit our purpose to study two worlds of the spiritual bodies and of our vile bodies subject to evil of our times.
In transition we shall study this psalm verse by verse. (To ne continued)
You say "JESUS used the NAMES you have listed here in your prior posts speaking with His disciples or the people", but it is not true, it's fake of course. Actually you are stealthy preaching a false interpretation, your preaching is not different such it occurred in ancient event- Genesis 3:1-,a stumbling block for them which unfortunatelly may come to "eat" from you false testimony- Matthew 15:19.
The Word of GOD says not what you are saying. Now, now, the Word is GOD Himself, and He has only one NAME, ONLY AND ONLY ONE NAME,and His only NAME is not any of those which you have surreptitiously listed here as NAMES of GOD. Your thinking is from a human perspective, a stumblingblock- Genesis 3:1-, not from GOD's perspective- Matthew 16:23.
DIALOGUE BETWENN THE JEWS AND JESUS-Jo.8-41-45KJV
41 - The Jews said unto JESUS: We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.
42-44 -> 42 -JESUS said to the Jews:- If GOD were your Father ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God;neither came I of myself, but he sent me. (If??? hum!)
43 - JESUS said to the Jews: Why do ye not understand my speech? 44- JESUS openly and emphaticaly said to the Jews: Ye are of your father the Devil.
Every names you have listed are NAMES of the God of the Jews, NAMES od their father (as they said he is- John 8:41). But JESUS claried unto them their father is the Devil, whose NAMES you listed before:
By the way, in Re.12:9, JESUS said:And the great Dragon(the red Dragon)was (will be)cast out, that old serpent,called the Devil,and Satan,which deceiveth the whole world:he was cast out into the earth,and his messengers were cast out with him.
By the way,"red Dragon" is the new name of the Devil in this current time of Apocalypse.
Isa.9:6-For unto us a child is born, unto us a Son is given: and the government shall be upon His shoulder: and His NAME shall be called THE MIGHTY GOD -JESUS-, Wonderful, Counsellor, The everlasting FATHER, The Prince of Peace.
"My meat is to do the will of him that sent me, and to finish his work." If Jesus says he has to finish his work we can be certain how he does it shall be to perfection to which we are in full agreement. This is what faith with works would mean.
"Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father." ( John 14:12) We know that Jesus ascended to his Father for a reason and His promise of a helper was to enable us to do much more by abiding in him. "And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd."(10:16)
Jesus sets an open door before the church of Philadelphia. Similarly he is seated on the right hand of God so what he says is as,"he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth;"(3:7). It evokes his promise as the Son of man, "Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."(Matt.18:18). This is how we ought to view of our authority as abiding in our Savior Lord. Our Faith with works is to say Amen to His sovereignty over our bodies, both spiritual bodies as well as mortal bodies So what Jesus meant by finishing his works is it not feeding our spiritual bodies as well? Only when Christ seated on the throne says, "It is done" his works shall be finished.(Re.21:6a)
He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.(v.22). All his promises are for saints called to be overcomers. "And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd."( John 10:16) This is also part of his work.
Lastly in v.21 we have two thrones mentioned referring to the throne of God and of the Lamb.(Re.22:1)
The knock mentioned here is different from this verse."Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:"(Matt.7-8) Jesus here mentions the door to salvation. " and to him that knocketh it shall be opened." The next verse sets this in context. "Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone?" Jesus is referring to his Father who is in heaven while what Jesus refers in the key verse is the door to the heart of a believer who is saved but is yet to be counted as an overcomer.
The Lord is my shepherd (Ps.23:1) In the Gospel of John we see the same idea put in context of the Father Son relationship. Jesus as the Word become flesh is the Good Shepherd so when he claimed, "I am the way" it explains why his Father sent him to the world. "But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep."( John 10:2). So his authority is as that of the legitimate, the only one whose actions are taken in truth."I am the truth" explains this aspect As the faithful witness and true he promises to all seven churches, where he stands. He demands his rightful place in their heart, a spiritual space, representing the face upon which the Spirit moved before the commencement of the creation. "And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.(Ge.1:2b)
"if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me." (3:20)
In the Matthew quote, salvation dealt with ask, seek and knock. The door accordingly opened a straight and narrow path for the seeker to find his pasture. Here Jesus Christ in his majesty offers a supper set in an intimate one to one basis."I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture." This pasture is doing the will of God so meat and drink refers a life in heavenly places. "My meat is to do the will of him that sent me, and to finish his work."
"I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door,"
Here Jesus spells out to the church at Philadelphia what he means by works. Jesus in his majesty refers to the word of my patience. One we can speak with authority. He is shown having the key of David. It is a hint to the church his message is as the king of kings so the temporal powers cannot prevail upon them. "These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world."( John 16:33).Persecution of the church from the Jewish brethren (synagogue of Satan), as as from the Imperial Rome must be set in context of his words of comfort. Jesus addresses them of an open door set before them. It is open and in the context of his assertion,"I am the way" we can rest assured that the door shall never be closed since it is according to the Scriptures. His usage, "Behold" also helps us understand he is the Word become flesh and he is now speaking as the overcomer. What he has opened no power on earth shall close it. He is the Savior of the world.
"Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth."
While speaking of patience we have another word of comfort, "In your patience possess ye your souls."( Luke 21:19) Of what worth is your soul and what does the earthly tabernacle signify for you are pendent upon patience which as made manifest in Jesus Christ. It is part of works while you are dead in Christ and abide in him. This is Christian Living. There is no cultural osmosis with the world required. It is a simple question whether one takes the open door. "I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture./The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life."
Oseas. Your question: "from your knowledge you said here the names mentioned above are NAMES of GOD, so I wanted to know which of these NAMES of GOD my Lord JESUS would have manifested to the men?"
My answer is as given earlier. When Jesus spoke of God, or His Father, or the Lord, those are the Names Jesus used when speaking with His disciples or the people. I have still not been able to discern a straight answer from you regarding God's Name. The closest I see from your response, is that Jesus manifested God's Name as the "Word". I agree, that Jesus was God's Word in the Flesh which clearly implies that both the Word & the Spirit are within the Godhead & sent out from God, but did Jesus ever proclaim/manifest God's Name to the people as "The Word" (Logos)? No. He brought out God's Word & taught it, but never said that the Word was God's Name. The Apostle John did declare in John 1:1, that "the Word was God", but Jesus never proclaimed it as God's Name. If anything be said about the Word, it is Jesus' Name, the Word of God. And if the Name of God (Theos) is Logos, then it must also be Hagion Pneuma (Holy Spirit). Here then is the One God, Theos.
So, I assume that you have no answer to give me, whether Jesus is seated at the right Hand of the Father, or there is only Jesus present in Heaven. Your answer should be: 1. Yes, Jesus is seated at the Father's right Hand, or 2. No, only Jesus is there. Is this too difficult to answer, rather than going into a tirade that the evidences of God's Name in the OT are kabbalistic, devilish names?
Proverbs 29:1 KJ21 He that, being often reproved, stiffeneth his neck shall suddenly be destroyed, and that without remedy.
This is the fate of all the unregenerate who do not repent. A prime example is Pharoah during Moses' extensive dialogue with him warning of his fate defying God's will when it came to the sacrifice that his people desired in the desert. One should note that it was only requested for a short trip for this ceremony at first but eventually Pharoah drove them out and yet once again attempted to capture them to enslave them before his armies were destroyed in the Red Sea. Pharoah himself may not have been there but it seems his fate was sealed.
We see evidences such as 2 Chronicles 13:10-13 where Manasses repented after doing horrible abominations in the land; but we also see verses that state that even though they pray to God those devoted to destruction will not be heard ( Jeremiah 11:11 and Micah 3:4).
In seeing these examples; we ought to not test God as they were warned in the wilderness. We are warned not to rebuke a fool either ( Prov. 9:8). We should listen to God the first time; and realize that He chastens all He loves; and the opposite therefore indicates that without that discipline we are not His own as we see comparing Peter in the Bible to Judas Iscariot. All of us have a death sentence due to sin; but some choose to come to their end sooner through particularly evil lifestyles and behaviors.
No amount of pride brings joy; and our minds can only find solace in being left alone in our state once we have lost all pleasure in worldly things due to aging. Proverbs 5:14 talks about being almost in ruin in the congregation due to sins; but that is preferable to pining away alone; for Solomon saw this reality also in Ecclesiastes seeing that all things apart from God were vanity. In short; a saved man sees His old life crucified; new life in Christ and the Body of believers his adopted family (see Ephesians 1:23).
Chris, my belief regarding JESUS sat at the right hand of the Father, it is not by your very poor testimony of Him, but by the Word of GOD, the Word is GOD Himself, GOD the Father, understand? Hebrews 1:1-3 among other biblical references.Take a look. The testimony of the Word -the Word is GOD - it is greater than yours, understand? Or isn't it?
You called God "(Theos); Father (Patter;Abba-more intimate); Lord(Kurios), well, by the Word of GOD, the Word is GOD, you are saying nothing, your testimony about GOD in your post is irrelevant, insignificant, it was not by the Spirit of Christ, and it was not by the Spirit of Truth and John 16:12-15 confirm / endorse what I am just saying. Unfortunately you keep snaking in devilish doctrines and tares sowed by the Wicked one. --> By the way, "It is GOD that sitteth upon the circle of the Earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers- Isaiah 40:22. Indeed, this revelation which GOD did give to Isaiah explains or suggests why there is not Life in whole Universe except in the Earth, I mean out of the Earth there is not in whole Universe the variety of Life that there is in the Earth, because GOD is sat upon the circle of the Earth.
To finish, you have cited in your posts the NAME of GOD as being the esoteric, and kabbalistic, and spiritist JEHOVAH, YAHWEH, YHWH, ADONAI, EL SHADAI, HaSHEM, so I quoted John 17:6 where my Lord JESUS in His prayer said to the Father that He had MANIFESTED His NAME to the MEN that He, GOD the Father, had given to Him, So I asked UNTO you: What is the GOD's NAME my Lord JESUS MANIFESTED to the men?
Now, now, from your knowledge you said here the names mentioned above are NAMES of GOD, so I wanted to know which of these NAMES of GOD my Lord JESUS would have manifested to the men? The question is mine, not yours, I'm waiting you response.
You've started a new thread, so I trust you've seen the answer I gave you in the other thread. And my answer was: "I can only think of how Jesus spoke about the One Who sent Him. Of course, Jesus called Him, God (Theos); Father (Pater; Abba - more intimate); Lord (Kurios)."
You've repeated here what you've written previously. So waiting in suspense, I would like to know 'what Name did Jesus manifest of God to men?' I also asked whether you believe that in Heaven right now, the risen Christ sits at the right Hand of God, or whether Jesus is alone in Heaven & God within Him (as I seemed to have understood one of your comments). Thank you.
Let's speak of the Word of GOD, the Word is GOD, the Word is GOD Himself, understand? I quoted to you and to ALL what my Lord JESUS said in His PRAYER to the Father. JESUS said to GOD the Father: John 17:6 - " I have MANIFESTED thy NAME unto the MEN which thou GAVEST me out of the WORLD: thine they were, and thou gavest them me;and they -the MEN- have kept thy Word.
In fact JESUS MANIFESTED the NAME of GOD to the MEN. Your answer is an announcement, a declaration, or even clearly leaves a CONFESSION that you DO NOT KNOW the NAME of GOD the Father, NAME MANIFESTED unto the MEN by my Lord JESUS.
So, in a defensive position because you don't have an answer within the Scriptures, you come in unpolished manner to tell me that I "cannot be more in the know of Name than the Son". What you said is fake. What matters and prevails is what my Lord JESUS said: Matthew 11:27 - "No MAN knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any MAN the Father, save the Son,and he to whomsoever the Son will REVEAL Him. As you and ALL can see, it is by REVELATION,not by speculations, presumptions, and so on.
Your answer is an announcement, a declaration, or even clearly leaves a CONFESSION that you DO NOT KNOW the NAME of GOD the Father, NAME MANIFESTED by my Lord JESUS unto the MEN.
Furthermore, you cited the esoteric, and kabbalistic, and spiritist NAMES of GOD (this is a blaspheme), such as JEHOVAH, YAHWEH, YHWH, ADONAI, EL SHADAI, HaSHEM as if were the NAMES OF"GOD",but there are more esoteric and kabbalistic names of"GOD" besides these, according the devilish esoteric and kabbalistic and spiritist Judaism,and you believe in this satanic doctrine and testify and spread their idolatries and sorceries here.
My Lord JESUS said: "No MAN knoweth the Son,but the Father; neither knoweth any MAN the Father,save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will REVEAL Him. As you and ALL can see, it is by REVELATION only, exclusively.
You ought to know the Bible as it is intended to be understood. You ask "what GOD's NAME was manifested by my Lord JESUS?"
You cannot be more in the know of Name than the Son. My Father and I are one" DNA of the Father was in his Son so he obeyed him which is what you ought to be doing than nit-picking. We are concerned with holiness of God no amount of your name calling shall help if you do not abide in the Son and learn of him.
Well Oseas, I can only think of how Jesus spoke about the One Who sent Him. Of course, Jesus called Him, God (Theos); Father (Pater; Abba - more intimate); Lord (Kurios).
The will of God is complete so His calling is for every one who is set in context of his Son who is the firstborn of all creation. Who has heard the call and lives in lockstep with him is a double for the Son. Joseph was one. He was the last but one among his brethren but it is he who serves as a stand-in for his Son. He became the savior of a nation despite of his being vilely treated by his older siblings. Even so when he presented his sons who were born in Egypt Jacob bypassed the firstborn."And when Joseph saw that his father laid his right hand upon the head of Ephraim, it displeased him: and he held up his father's hand, to remove it from Ephraim's head unto Manasseh's head."(Ge.48:17-18)
Esau was the first born,- and yet he despised his birthright. He let go blessings of God which are as special as God's gifts and called are beyond recall, yields the clearest evidence behind the theological term of predestination. As Jesus Christ is established as the firstborn of every creature when God promised His blessings to Abraham, he was seeking co-heirs of promise with his Son. (Ge.12:3; Ro.8:17.) Jacob struggled with Esau who had no sympathy for spiritual gifts and the Holy Ghost provides a concrete imagery in the mess of pottage to explain his least regard for things of God.
" Was not Esau Jacob's brother? saith the Lord: yet I loved Jacob. And I hated Esau,(Mal.1:2-3)
"For ye know how afterward, when he would have inherited the blessing, he was rejected; for he found no place of repentance, though he sought it diligently with tears." (He.12:17-KJ21). Here we have a commentary by divine revelation that contrition without works is useless.
Now from two examples of Esau and Manasseh they being firstborn did not pass muster with the divine Will. Predestination explains why anyone is blessed in his Son. He is the Father of mercies. But becoming firstborn is to be led by the same Spirit of Christ. Joseph showed the same spirit to counted as the double.
Grace and truth came with Jesus Christ. He became poor in order to make us rich. St Paul speaks of being complete in him. "And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power." (Col.2:10). This being the case what this world can counteroffer and Satan tempted Jesus with "all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;/And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me./ Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve." (Matt.4:8-9). When we are complete in him it is not merely of a state of being with senses giving certain cues of a world that changes ever subtle shifts so whosoever builds his hopes shall be like the foolisher builder who built his house upon the sand. He offered instead everlasting life in which God is one, "that God may be all in all." This is what the Spirit of God establishes as holiness to which man shall only enter through his Son. This is the spirit of Christ or grace operates upon all without exception so the same DNA of faith has its perfect working.
"Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?"(He.10:29)
Envy is the sum total of false estimation of one's worth. Revolt of Korah was against God's administration. Earlier Miriam murmured, "Has he not spoken through us also?" Miriam envied Moses as Korah would later show. He and sons of Levi led a faction, Miriam and Korah were punished for it. They were moved by the spirit of Satan who is the father of lies. In short envy in to divide and bring damage to the working of divine Will.
Well Oseas, from reading of your beliefs, I'm unable to place where you exactly are with this. You were first dealing with the Name of God in Isaiah. You've now quoted Acts 7:53-58, particularly verse 55, "But he (Stephen), being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God". In the NT, Koine Greek is the language used. If you believe that the Hebrew 'Yahweh' written of God in the OT is a devilish name, does this also apply to the Greek word for God: 'Theos'?
You asked, "what GOD's NAME was manifested by my Lord JESUS?" Yet, reading the rest of your comments, it appears to me that you hold to an "only Jesus is in Heaven" position, that when Jesus was made flesh, "GOD called Himself Jesus.." Really!!! So, as not to be mistaken, are you in that camp, that says 'that since God is in Christ that only Jesus is now in Heaven'? I'm hoping that I've misunderstood you, as we know most assuredly that when Jesus ascended into Heaven, He went back to the Father & is seated at His right Hand ( John 20:17, Acts 2:32,33, Romans 8:34, Hebrews 1:3, 1 Peter 3:22, etc.). So, NOT two Gods, but the One God, with Jesus His Son Who came forth out of God now distinct from Him through the incarnation. Thus He rightly fully claims the eternity of the Godhead (the Alpha & Omega), & also receives the worship of all. So your comments are troubling, if that is your position.
You posted that ''when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the ALMIGHTY GOD (El Shaddai); walk before me, and be thou perfect".
Who is the Almight GOD? My Lord JESUS said: I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty- Revelation 1:8.
JESUS is the Lord, understand? JESUS is the Almighty, not other name except JESUS is the Almighty- Matthew 28:18
My Lord JESUS and GOD the Father are One. The Word is GOD, GOD Himself, when He was made flesh around 2000 years ago, GOD called Himself of JESUS, don't you know? JESUS /JOSHUA is the true NAME of GOD.
If you believe the name of the I AM is El Shaddai you are believing the Devil.
Cris, be careful and don't fall in the Devil traps.
I'm a disciple of JESUS, who said from He himself " I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning( Genesis 1:1) and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the ALMIGHTY.
My Lord JESUS in His pray to the Father, said: John 17:5-6
5 Now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the WORLD was.
6 I have manifested thy NAME unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy Word.
Chris, what GOD's NAME was manifested by my Lord JESUS?
As you and all can see, Satan contamined and corrupted the environment of the heavenly place established by my GOD here, in fact the environment of the first heavenly place, the first Covenant, the Old Testament, and the Jews of the synagogue of Satan, the killers of the prophets of GOD, yeah, by these disguised Jews GOD's Name was forbidden(by breaking the 3rd Commandment,thus the use of HaShem in substitute), yeah, HaShem, another name of Devil to substitute, to replace the true name of GOD,whose NAME they never wanted to hear speaking.
HaShem and the gold calf are the same, idolatry and sorcery of the Jews of the synagogue of Satan
Stephen in His preaching to the Jews said unto them: Acts 7:53-58
53 Israel have received the law by the disposition of angels, and they have not kept it.
54 When they heard these things, they were cut to the heart, and they gnashed on him with their teeth.
55 But Stephen,being full of the Holy Spirit,looked up stedfastly into heaven,and saw the glory of GOD,and JESUS standing on the right hand of GOD,(not on the right hand of HaShen, Jehovah, Adonai, YHWH, Yahveh, or other DEMONS)
56 And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of GOD.
57 Then they cried out with a loud voice, and stopped their ears, and ran upon him with one accord,
58 And cast Stephen out of the city, and stoned him:
After their hardness and impenitent heart treasured up unto themselves wrath in this Day of wrath and revelation of the righteous Judgment of GOD;
6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds
But after their hardness and impenitent heart, they treasured up unto themselves wrath against this Day of wrath and revelation of the righteous Judgment of GOD; Unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the Truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
Thanks for your response Oseas. Actually, what I did present was that "Yahweh" IS seen elsewhere in the Word. In John 8:44, Jesus is deriding the Jews for holding onto lies instead of believing Jesus' Words of Truth to them; this verse doesn't suggest that Satan initiated these supposed lies of the Names of God - here was Satan playing with their minds & hearts against Christ & not against what was written in the Word of God, which even Satan cannot deny. So we cannot assume that the 'father of lies' has forced upon us these 'false' Names of God; what we do need to do to prove it, is to ascertain if the original writings didn't have these Names. So far, we have gone back to the CJB & Tanakh: would there be any older genuine Hebraic writings available to us that show us differently? If not, we simply can't speculate or assume, for that in itself would lead us in error.
Re: Exodus 6:2,3. As I re-read it again, I believe that God Himself is telling Moses (& all who read His Word), that His Name is Jehovah but this Name was not known to Abraham, Isaac, & Jacob. They knew Him as "God Almighty" (El Shaddai: the Almighty God) as seen in Genesis 17:1:
"And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the ALMIGHTY GOD (El Shaddai); walk before me, and be thou perfect".
God here in Exodus is stating Who He is to His people under this special Covenant. If you believe that this is not what God said, then I can't go further with it, because I read it with plain understanding. All I can see, is that these names, which you find detestable & demonic, are Hebrew words of God showing Himself in His fullness. But where we have God's compound Names (e.g. Jehovah-Jireh/Ropheka/Nissi/Shalom/Sabaoth/and others) these I will admit are Names that are given when Israel saw their God at Work in their presence but most certainly NOT Satan-inspired names. If anything is debatable or problematic, then we need to search for proof.
What matters and prevails is the Truth,GOD is Truth,and the Truth is only One,The Word Himself is GOD.
You just confirmed by quoting that in original source of Scriptures there is not Yahweh(see,Satan is behind this name,and in his devilish strategy he introduce himself in short as a demonic tetragram YHWH),but the point is also Jehovah,this is another name of the father of the Jews,the father of lie- John 8:44-says it be GOD's name.
But the Devil,father of the Jews,as my Lord JESUS said- John 8:44- father of the lie,he invented another names,you just brings more one fictitious name of GOD invented by the man of sin-the Devil-it is ADONAI,the Devil as a God.Those which invoke Jehovah, Yahweh, YHWH, Adonai.among other fictitious names given by Satan to my GOD,father of JESUS, in fact they are invoking the Devil, CAN YOU SEE? This miscellany/ hodgepodge of names invented by the Devil as if they were names of GOD is a satanic strategy to replace or to erase he NAME of JESUS. Now, the command of the Lord JESUS is to cast down the Devil from heaven to the bottomless pit, chaining him with a great chain. The dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the Devil and Satan will be chained and threw into the bottomless pit, locked and sealed, so that he could not deceive the nations no more.
Exodus 6:2,3(KJV),CJB and Tanack:
The Word, GOD Himself, GOD in Person,He never said His name is Jehovah,and ADONAI,and YHWH,and Yahweh, among other names.In fact Satan invented the names trying to corrupt the Holy Scriptures, the true Word of GOD, the Word is GOD, self-executing, understand?You can see how the Devil, the father of the Jews, father of the lie,has corrupted the original Scriptures through corrupted translations,the Devil always corrupted the nation of Israel through his false prophets and with his idolatries and sorceries, and has also done the same within the Church of my Lord JESUS sowing his tares. The time now is of harvest. Get ready
So, I think you will notice the differences between the KJB & these other translations (even when looking at the 'modern' English translations). What are your thoughts on this?
Can we then say that Jehovah, Adonai, etc. are spurious, satanic names, or rather, it is how the translators have understood the texts & translated them. And not forgetting, to some Jews, the uttering of God's Name was forbidden (by breaking the 3rd Commandment, thus the use of HaShem in substitute).
When we have so many different renderings of these verses, I believe it is safer & wiser to state that the Name that God proclaimed to His people Israel ( Exodus 6:3: the proper personal Name given to those in a Covenant relationship with Him), was indeed Jehovah. And the other Names used of Him are also valid (which describe God's Nature & Work as manifested to Israel); used or not used for pure reasons & motives, and I believe, not for evil reasons.
Thank you Oseas, that was helpful to me & I did pursue research into what you shared. I first looked at the Complete Jewish Bible & then the Tanakh, and read Isaiah 12:1,2 as follows:
1. On that day you will say: "I thank you, ADONAI, because, although you were angry at me, your anger is now turned away; and you are comforting me.
2. See! God is my salvation. I am confident and unafraid; for Yah ADONAI is my strength and my song, and he has become my salvation! (These verses are a little different to what you've given from the CJB & I wasn't able to easily find online a CJB that read exactly as yours).
Then in the Tanakh, Isaiah 12:1,2 reads:
1. And you shall say on that day, "I will thank You, O Lord, for You were wroth with me; may Your wrath turn away and may You comfort me.
2. Here is the God of my salvation, I shall trust and not fear; for the strength and praise of the Eternal the Lord was my salvation. (So in the Tanakh as well, even though the wording is different, you are correct, Yahweh is not given).
Now let's look at another example: Exodus 6:2,3 (KJV):
2. And God spake unto Moses, and said unto him, I am the LORD:
3. And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.
In the CJB:
2. God spoke to Moshe; he said to him, "I am ADONAI.
3. I appeared to Avraham, Yitz'chak and Ya'akov as El Shaddai, although I did not make myself known to them by my name, Yud-Heh-Vav-Heh [ADONAI].
And in the Tanakh:
2. God spoke to Moses, and He said to him, "I am the Lord.
3. I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob with [the name] Almighty God, but [with] My name YHWH, I did not become known to them. (you may want to re-check these against your readings).
This discussion started for myself when Adam quoted Isaiah 12:1-2, and appeared the pseudo name of Jehovah, which was inadvertently added into the translation from the original source.
Comparing what Adam quoted from Isaiah 12:1-2 in the translations of Scriptures, with the Complete Jewish Bible, here's the difference:
Adam quoted: Is.12:1-2:
1- And in that day thou shalt say, O Lord, I will praise thee: though thou wast angry with me, thine anger is turned away, and thou comfortedst me.
2 Behold, God is my salvation; I will trust, and not be afraid: for the Lord JEHOVAH is my strength and my song; he also is become my salvation.
From Complete Jewish Bible-Is.12:1-2: (Comparison-see the difference)
1And you shall say on that day,"I will thank You,O Lord,for You were wroth with me;may Your wrath turn away and may You comfort me.
2Here is the GOD of my salvation,"I shall trust and not fear;for the strength and praise of the Eternal the Lord was my salvation."
So, Isaiah didn't cited the name of Devil when he preached the message to the people of Israel.Isaiah had the Spirit of Christ, understand?He was a messianic prophet,you know of this.By the way,JESUS still was in the bosom of the Father- John 1:18
You said I should supply my references that you may research this too,I agree,but I did not still do this because the site doesn't accept to post links.My assertions were based from a source called chabad,try to find it: It's Tanakh, the Hebrew Bible, Ketuvin(Scriptures).
As you said, it certainly is a serious matter if both Jews and Christians(then and now)are reading corrupt copies of the original.
Between both Scriptures above quoted,which of them is approved by the Holy Spirit?Only one is true,and approved by the Spirit of Truth.In my vision is the original source,but I'm referring strictly to this portion of Scriptures- Isaiah 12:1-2.
Therefore with joy shall we draw water out of the wells of salvation.
Normally; of course there is some crossover; I believe the Lord often uses someone who is very open and instills the spiritual gift.
The danger here is that when we sense evil we are overwhelmed quite often; I assume it isn't the presence of God around someone that causes too much of your distress. That can be overwhelming though as well.
First off; if someone is truly being driven by a demon you need to be able to stand on the authority of the Lord; and become wise as to when to say something and when to remain silent and in a prayer mode. The Lord likely will make that clear to you if for instance; someone starts manifesting then you need to take charge and perhaps do a deliverance. That involves several things; such as getting a person to want to repent of strongholds that are giving a demon legal authority to torment them.
There are some out there openly worshipping the Devil; and others who are influenced that way who want nothing to do with God. God of course gives us a spirit of boldness; not fear. It is helpful to understand common sins that bind people and also be cautious that you yourself aren't tempted. The enemy will give you many doubts but if you are called for deliverance ministry others will be there to guide you in what to do.
What is another factor here is sensing these things in the congregation; again when there are problems often sin has entered the camp so to speak. What we don't know right away are the physiological and other issues that give us a more complete picture of what's going on until we get to know somebody better. I find it helpful when I sense the Lord strongly around someone to find out why; and hopefully learn something from them. I pray you can balance your gifts with others.
Whenever I feel the ay you describe I remind myself of how Elijah felt when he had run from Jezebel to the cave in I Kings 19 feeling as though he alone was zealous for God and His ways. God told Elijah that He had set apart 7000 in Israel that have not bent their knee to Ba'al nor kissed the image with their mouths. God spoke to Elijah in His still small voice, reassuring Elijah that he was not alone in following God whole heartedly and lifted up the prophet's spirit into being hopeful and courageous to go from the cave and do just as God told HIm to do.
We. too, can trust that God is able to keep those who are His and bring them to hope and assurance of having many brethren that are like you and I and many on this site. The world is full of strong Christians who are fighting the good fight of faith and obedience, many facing martyrdom. But in the U.S. and Europe, much complacency, as you state. Like you, I hate those whose witness is so shallow that any demand of discipleship is seen as too much for them to pursue and the commands of Christ in his recorded words in the gospels and what He spoke through Paul and other apostles are seen as an impingement on their "freedom in Christ".
Indeed, we are free in Christ, to do what is good and right, not to continue in evil ways and worldliness. Perhaps many people who live carnally for themselves, for their comfort, and for their preferred sins have been ill-taught, but anyone who truly searches the Scriptures knows that we are to live godly lives in this wicked generation, fight against the sinful nature that we all have up until our body dies, and resist the lies and deceptions of the wicked one who wants to woo us into complacency, desensitize us to our own sinful ways and that of the community we live in (socially and society wise), and have us believe that right is wrong and wrong is O.K. for believers as well as unbelievers. He will lull any who are not diligent and careful.
I hope you are doing well these past few weeks. Miss having you posting here, but sometimes we all need a little break. I am thinking of you and, of course, keeping you in my prayers.
Those things which you do...
"I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus." Philippians 3:14 KJV
press toward the prize
"Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers, beware of the concision." Philippians 3:2 KJV
But beware
"Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus." Philippians 3:12 KJV
Has hasn't yet attained the prize and has not been perfected yet, but strives to (v15).
"For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:" Philippians 3:20 KJV
What stood out to me about these verses is:
1. Paul gives a series of challenges and leads by example. He writes that Christianity is something that is practiced, involves effort, is an action, by doing, like running a race to receive a prize. Not that he's earning it by works. This is clarified many times. But genuine and not a 1-minute prayer someone made 30 years ago where nothing changed and nothing was practiced since.
2. Paul says he hasn't yet attained the salvation. He has hope for salvation, but doesn't say he was already "saved" and finished and can just sit around watching Seinfeld reruns.
The reason for sharing: I think it might help someone, because what I hear in sermons and the way people talk, it seems Christians don't take Christianity very seriously. There's little to no transformation. Paul says to become a slave of righteousness, and people are like, "no thanks, I didn't sign up for that." They're acting like they got a golden entry ticket and they're done. They assume they don't have to change, can continue to deeply enjoy sin, enjoy flesh, and enjoy the benefits of satan. Though they don't realize who they're actually following.
Bennymkje
You are giving a great highlight about JESUS's work, and quoted John 10:16, that says: Other sheep I have, which are not of this fold (the Gentiles): them also I MUST bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd. In my vision, JESUS was speaking of His Universal work bringing the Gentile people to salvation according the plan of GOD the Father in to create one Universal fold and one Universal Shepherd.
There is an wonderful and wise interpretation of Paul Apostle, saying to the Church of Ephesians 2:12-18
12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without GOD in the world:
13 But NOW in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
14 For He is our peace, who hath MADE BOTH ONE, and hath BROKEN DOWN the middle wall of partition between us;
15 Having abolished in His flesh the enmity, even the Law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in Himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
16 And that He might reconcile both unto GOD in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
17 And came and preached peace to you which were afar off (the Gentiles), and to them that were nigh(the Jews).
18 For through Him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father. - Hallelujaaaah!!!
This psalm is set from two standpoints. "The Lord said unto my Lord," refers to the Father Son relationship which is how we ought to approach this reverential psalm so God a Spirit represents the world of the Spirit. (Ps.110:1) In the night vision of Daniel the Ancient of days fit that part and the one like unto the Son of man (he came with the clouds of heaven-Dan.7:13)presented before him has this cloud in attendance. (He.12:1)
These witnesses are called by God before the worlds began and given to the Son. "And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand." ( John 10:28). This cloud refers to a flock and it is to which David refers. The Ancient of days works from his fiery throne (7:9)so the Psalm 110 can be now put in proper perspective. "Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool./TheLordshall send the rod of thy strength out of Zion: rule thou in the midst of thine enemies." (vv.1-2) When he sent his only begotten Son to the world the fiery wheels of his throne of flaming fire did not stop turning. "My Father worketh hitherto, and I work."( John 5:17) explains a continual action. The word of God is in control.
The fiery wheels of God ever turn slowly so the Son may ever rule in the midst of thine enemies. In this context the message to the church of Philadelphia promises them an open door."behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it." While the churches are persecuted,- there were broadly ten persecutions, Jesus Christ assures them deliverance so they could every one of them say, "The Lord is my shepherd; I shall not want."(23:1) Before we study the doors in heaven vis a vis heart as a door this psalm shall fit our purpose to study two worlds of the spiritual bodies and of our vile bodies subject to evil of our times.
In transition we shall study this psalm verse by verse. (To ne continued)
You say "JESUS used the NAMES you have listed here in your prior posts speaking with His disciples or the people", but it is not true, it's fake of course. Actually you are stealthy preaching a false interpretation, your preaching is not different such it occurred in ancient event- Genesis 3:1-,a stumbling block for them which unfortunatelly may come to "eat" from you false testimony- Matthew 15:19.
The Word of GOD says not what you are saying. Now, now, the Word is GOD Himself, and He has only one NAME, ONLY AND ONLY ONE NAME,and His only NAME is not any of those which you have surreptitiously listed here as NAMES of GOD. Your thinking is from a human perspective, a stumblingblock- Genesis 3:1-, not from GOD's perspective- Matthew 16:23.
DIALOGUE BETWENN THE JEWS AND JESUS-Jo.8-41-45KJV
41 - The Jews said unto JESUS: We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.
42-44 -> 42 -JESUS said to the Jews:- If GOD were your Father ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God;neither came I of myself, but he sent me. (If??? hum!)
43 - JESUS said to the Jews: Why do ye not understand my speech? 44- JESUS openly and emphaticaly said to the Jews: Ye are of your father the Devil.
Every names you have listed are NAMES of the God of the Jews, NAMES od their father (as they said he is- John 8:41). But JESUS claried unto them their father is the Devil, whose NAMES you listed before:
By the way, in Re.12:9, JESUS said:And the great Dragon(the red Dragon)was (will be)cast out, that old serpent,called the Devil,and Satan,which deceiveth the whole world:he was cast out into the earth,and his messengers were cast out with him.
By the way,"red Dragon" is the new name of the Devil in this current time of Apocalypse.
Isa.9:6-For unto us a child is born, unto us a Son is given: and the government shall be upon His shoulder: and His NAME shall be called THE MIGHTY GOD -JESUS-, Wonderful, Counsellor, The everlasting FATHER, The Prince of Peace.
"My meat is to do the will of him that sent me, and to finish his work." If Jesus says he has to finish his work we can be certain how he does it shall be to perfection to which we are in full agreement. This is what faith with works would mean.
"Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father." ( John 14:12) We know that Jesus ascended to his Father for a reason and His promise of a helper was to enable us to do much more by abiding in him. "And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd."(10:16)
Jesus sets an open door before the church of Philadelphia. Similarly he is seated on the right hand of God so what he says is as,"he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth;"(3:7). It evokes his promise as the Son of man, "Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."(Matt.18:18). This is how we ought to view of our authority as abiding in our Savior Lord. Our Faith with works is to say Amen to His sovereignty over our bodies, both spiritual bodies as well as mortal bodies So what Jesus meant by finishing his works is it not feeding our spiritual bodies as well? Only when Christ seated on the throne says, "It is done" his works shall be finished.(Re.21:6a)
He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.(v.22). All his promises are for saints called to be overcomers. "And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd."( John 10:16) This is also part of his work.
Lastly in v.21 we have two thrones mentioned referring to the throne of God and of the Lamb.(Re.22:1)
The knock mentioned here is different from this verse."Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:"(Matt.7-8) Jesus here mentions the door to salvation. " and to him that knocketh it shall be opened." The next verse sets this in context. "Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone?" Jesus is referring to his Father who is in heaven while what Jesus refers in the key verse is the door to the heart of a believer who is saved but is yet to be counted as an overcomer.
The Lord is my shepherd (Ps.23:1) In the Gospel of John we see the same idea put in context of the Father Son relationship. Jesus as the Word become flesh is the Good Shepherd so when he claimed, "I am the way" it explains why his Father sent him to the world. "But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep."( John 10:2). So his authority is as that of the legitimate, the only one whose actions are taken in truth."I am the truth" explains this aspect As the faithful witness and true he promises to all seven churches, where he stands. He demands his rightful place in their heart, a spiritual space, representing the face upon which the Spirit moved before the commencement of the creation. "And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.(Ge.1:2b)
"if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me." (3:20)
In the Matthew quote, salvation dealt with ask, seek and knock. The door accordingly opened a straight and narrow path for the seeker to find his pasture. Here Jesus Christ in his majesty offers a supper set in an intimate one to one basis."I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture." This pasture is doing the will of God so meat and drink refers a life in heavenly places. "My meat is to do the will of him that sent me, and to finish his work."
"I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door,"
Here Jesus spells out to the church at Philadelphia what he means by works. Jesus in his majesty refers to the word of my patience. One we can speak with authority. He is shown having the key of David. It is a hint to the church his message is as the king of kings so the temporal powers cannot prevail upon them. "These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world."( John 16:33).Persecution of the church from the Jewish brethren (synagogue of Satan), as as from the Imperial Rome must be set in context of his words of comfort. Jesus addresses them of an open door set before them. It is open and in the context of his assertion,"I am the way" we can rest assured that the door shall never be closed since it is according to the Scriptures. His usage, "Behold" also helps us understand he is the Word become flesh and he is now speaking as the overcomer. What he has opened no power on earth shall close it. He is the Savior of the world.
"Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth."
While speaking of patience we have another word of comfort, "In your patience possess ye your souls."( Luke 21:19) Of what worth is your soul and what does the earthly tabernacle signify for you are pendent upon patience which as made manifest in Jesus Christ. It is part of works while you are dead in Christ and abide in him. This is Christian Living. There is no cultural osmosis with the world required. It is a simple question whether one takes the open door. "I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture./The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life."
My answer is as given earlier. When Jesus spoke of God, or His Father, or the Lord, those are the Names Jesus used when speaking with His disciples or the people. I have still not been able to discern a straight answer from you regarding God's Name. The closest I see from your response, is that Jesus manifested God's Name as the "Word". I agree, that Jesus was God's Word in the Flesh which clearly implies that both the Word & the Spirit are within the Godhead & sent out from God, but did Jesus ever proclaim/manifest God's Name to the people as "The Word" (Logos)? No. He brought out God's Word & taught it, but never said that the Word was God's Name. The Apostle John did declare in John 1:1, that "the Word was God", but Jesus never proclaimed it as God's Name. If anything be said about the Word, it is Jesus' Name, the Word of God. And if the Name of God (Theos) is Logos, then it must also be Hagion Pneuma (Holy Spirit). Here then is the One God, Theos.
So, I assume that you have no answer to give me, whether Jesus is seated at the right Hand of the Father, or there is only Jesus present in Heaven. Your answer should be: 1. Yes, Jesus is seated at the Father's right Hand, or 2. No, only Jesus is there. Is this too difficult to answer, rather than going into a tirade that the evidences of God's Name in the OT are kabbalistic, devilish names?
This is the fate of all the unregenerate who do not repent. A prime example is Pharoah during Moses' extensive dialogue with him warning of his fate defying God's will when it came to the sacrifice that his people desired in the desert. One should note that it was only requested for a short trip for this ceremony at first but eventually Pharoah drove them out and yet once again attempted to capture them to enslave them before his armies were destroyed in the Red Sea. Pharoah himself may not have been there but it seems his fate was sealed.
We see evidences such as 2 Chronicles 13:10-13 where Manasses repented after doing horrible abominations in the land; but we also see verses that state that even though they pray to God those devoted to destruction will not be heard ( Jeremiah 11:11 and Micah 3:4).
In seeing these examples; we ought to not test God as they were warned in the wilderness. We are warned not to rebuke a fool either ( Prov. 9:8). We should listen to God the first time; and realize that He chastens all He loves; and the opposite therefore indicates that without that discipline we are not His own as we see comparing Peter in the Bible to Judas Iscariot. All of us have a death sentence due to sin; but some choose to come to their end sooner through particularly evil lifestyles and behaviors.
No amount of pride brings joy; and our minds can only find solace in being left alone in our state once we have lost all pleasure in worldly things due to aging. Proverbs 5:14 talks about being almost in ruin in the congregation due to sins; but that is preferable to pining away alone; for Solomon saw this reality also in Ecclesiastes seeing that all things apart from God were vanity. In short; a saved man sees His old life crucified; new life in Christ and the Body of believers his adopted family (see Ephesians 1:23).
You called God "(Theos); Father (Patter;Abba-more intimate); Lord(Kurios), well, by the Word of GOD, the Word is GOD, you are saying nothing, your testimony about GOD in your post is irrelevant, insignificant, it was not by the Spirit of Christ, and it was not by the Spirit of Truth and John 16:12-15 confirm / endorse what I am just saying. Unfortunately you keep snaking in devilish doctrines and tares sowed by the Wicked one. --> By the way, "It is GOD that sitteth upon the circle of the Earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers- Isaiah 40:22. Indeed, this revelation which GOD did give to Isaiah explains or suggests why there is not Life in whole Universe except in the Earth, I mean out of the Earth there is not in whole Universe the variety of Life that there is in the Earth, because GOD is sat upon the circle of the Earth.
To finish, you have cited in your posts the NAME of GOD as being the esoteric, and kabbalistic, and spiritist JEHOVAH, YAHWEH, YHWH, ADONAI, EL SHADAI, HaSHEM, so I quoted John 17:6 where my Lord JESUS in His prayer said to the Father that He had MANIFESTED His NAME to the MEN that He, GOD the Father, had given to Him, So I asked UNTO you: What is the GOD's NAME my Lord JESUS MANIFESTED to the men?
Now, now, from your knowledge you said here the names mentioned above are NAMES of GOD, so I wanted to know which of these NAMES of GOD my Lord JESUS would have manifested to the men? The question is mine, not yours, I'm waiting you response.
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You've repeated here what you've written previously. So waiting in suspense, I would like to know 'what Name did Jesus manifest of God to men?' I also asked whether you believe that in Heaven right now, the risen Christ sits at the right Hand of God, or whether Jesus is alone in Heaven & God within Him (as I seemed to have understood one of your comments). Thank you.
Let's speak of the Word of GOD, the Word is GOD, the Word is GOD Himself, understand? I quoted to you and to ALL what my Lord JESUS said in His PRAYER to the Father. JESUS said to GOD the Father: John 17:6 - " I have MANIFESTED thy NAME unto the MEN which thou GAVEST me out of the WORLD: thine they were, and thou gavest them me;and they -the MEN- have kept thy Word.
In fact JESUS MANIFESTED the NAME of GOD to the MEN. Your answer is an announcement, a declaration, or even clearly leaves a CONFESSION that you DO NOT KNOW the NAME of GOD the Father, NAME MANIFESTED unto the MEN by my Lord JESUS.
So, in a defensive position because you don't have an answer within the Scriptures, you come in unpolished manner to tell me that I "cannot be more in the know of Name than the Son". What you said is fake. What matters and prevails is what my Lord JESUS said: Matthew 11:27 - "No MAN knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any MAN the Father, save the Son,and he to whomsoever the Son will REVEAL Him. As you and ALL can see, it is by REVELATION,not by speculations, presumptions, and so on.
Your answer is an announcement, a declaration, or even clearly leaves a CONFESSION that you DO NOT KNOW the NAME of GOD the Father, NAME MANIFESTED by my Lord JESUS unto the MEN.
Furthermore, you cited the esoteric, and kabbalistic, and spiritist NAMES of GOD (this is a blaspheme), such as JEHOVAH, YAHWEH, YHWH, ADONAI, EL SHADAI, HaSHEM as if were the NAMES OF"GOD",but there are more esoteric and kabbalistic names of"GOD" besides these, according the devilish esoteric and kabbalistic and spiritist Judaism,and you believe in this satanic doctrine and testify and spread their idolatries and sorceries here.
My Lord JESUS said: "No MAN knoweth the Son,but the Father; neither knoweth any MAN the Father,save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will REVEAL Him. As you and ALL can see, it is by REVELATION only, exclusively.
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You ought to know the Bible as it is intended to be understood. You ask "what GOD's NAME was manifested by my Lord JESUS?"
You cannot be more in the know of Name than the Son. My Father and I are one" DNA of the Father was in his Son so he obeyed him which is what you ought to be doing than nit-picking. We are concerned with holiness of God no amount of your name calling shall help if you do not abide in the Son and learn of him.
The will of God is complete so His calling is for every one who is set in context of his Son who is the firstborn of all creation. Who has heard the call and lives in lockstep with him is a double for the Son. Joseph was one. He was the last but one among his brethren but it is he who serves as a stand-in for his Son. He became the savior of a nation despite of his being vilely treated by his older siblings. Even so when he presented his sons who were born in Egypt Jacob bypassed the firstborn."And when Joseph saw that his father laid his right hand upon the head of Ephraim, it displeased him: and he held up his father's hand, to remove it from Ephraim's head unto Manasseh's head."(Ge.48:17-18)
Esau was the first born,- and yet he despised his birthright. He let go blessings of God which are as special as God's gifts and called are beyond recall, yields the clearest evidence behind the theological term of predestination. As Jesus Christ is established as the firstborn of every creature when God promised His blessings to Abraham, he was seeking co-heirs of promise with his Son. (Ge.12:3; Ro.8:17.) Jacob struggled with Esau who had no sympathy for spiritual gifts and the Holy Ghost provides a concrete imagery in the mess of pottage to explain his least regard for things of God.
" Was not Esau Jacob's brother? saith the Lord: yet I loved Jacob. And I hated Esau,(Mal.1:2-3)
"For ye know how afterward, when he would have inherited the blessing, he was rejected; for he found no place of repentance, though he sought it diligently with tears." (He.12:17-KJ21). Here we have a commentary by divine revelation that contrition without works is useless.
Now from two examples of Esau and Manasseh they being firstborn did not pass muster with the divine Will. Predestination explains why anyone is blessed in his Son. He is the Father of mercies. But becoming firstborn is to be led by the same Spirit of Christ. Joseph showed the same spirit to counted as the double.
My Lord JESUS / JOSHUA manefested the name of GOD.
Chris and all, what GOD's NAME was manifested by my Lord JESUS?
Grace and truth came with Jesus Christ. He became poor in order to make us rich. St Paul speaks of being complete in him. "And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power." (Col.2:10). This being the case what this world can counteroffer and Satan tempted Jesus with "all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;/And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me./ Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve." (Matt.4:8-9). When we are complete in him it is not merely of a state of being with senses giving certain cues of a world that changes ever subtle shifts so whosoever builds his hopes shall be like the foolisher builder who built his house upon the sand. He offered instead everlasting life in which God is one, "that God may be all in all." This is what the Spirit of God establishes as holiness to which man shall only enter through his Son. This is the spirit of Christ or grace operates upon all without exception so the same DNA of faith has its perfect working.
"Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?"(He.10:29)
Envy is the sum total of false estimation of one's worth. Revolt of Korah was against God's administration. Earlier Miriam murmured, "Has he not spoken through us also?" Miriam envied Moses as Korah would later show. He and sons of Levi led a faction, Miriam and Korah were punished for it. They were moved by the spirit of Satan who is the father of lies. In short envy in to divide and bring damage to the working of divine Will.
You asked, "what GOD's NAME was manifested by my Lord JESUS?" Yet, reading the rest of your comments, it appears to me that you hold to an "only Jesus is in Heaven" position, that when Jesus was made flesh, "GOD called Himself Jesus.." Really!!! So, as not to be mistaken, are you in that camp, that says 'that since God is in Christ that only Jesus is now in Heaven'? I'm hoping that I've misunderstood you, as we know most assuredly that when Jesus ascended into Heaven, He went back to the Father & is seated at His right Hand ( John 20:17, Acts 2:32,33, Romans 8:34, Hebrews 1:3, 1 Peter 3:22, etc.). So, NOT two Gods, but the One God, with Jesus His Son Who came forth out of God now distinct from Him through the incarnation. Thus He rightly fully claims the eternity of the Godhead (the Alpha & Omega), & also receives the worship of all. So your comments are troubling, if that is your position.
You posted that ''when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the ALMIGHTY GOD (El Shaddai); walk before me, and be thou perfect".
Who is the Almight GOD? My Lord JESUS said: I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty- Revelation 1:8.
JESUS is the Lord, understand? JESUS is the Almighty, not other name except JESUS is the Almighty- Matthew 28:18
My Lord JESUS and GOD the Father are One. The Word is GOD, GOD Himself, when He was made flesh around 2000 years ago, GOD called Himself of JESUS, don't you know? JESUS /JOSHUA is the true NAME of GOD.
If you believe the name of the I AM is El Shaddai you are believing the Devil.
Cris, be careful and don't fall in the Devil traps.
I'm a disciple of JESUS, who said from He himself " I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning( Genesis 1:1) and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the ALMIGHTY.
My Lord JESUS in His pray to the Father, said: John 17:5-6
5 Now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the WORLD was.
6 I have manifested thy NAME unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy Word.
Chris, what GOD's NAME was manifested by my Lord JESUS?
As you and all can see, Satan contamined and corrupted the environment of the heavenly place established by my GOD here, in fact the environment of the first heavenly place, the first Covenant, the Old Testament, and the Jews of the synagogue of Satan, the killers of the prophets of GOD, yeah, by these disguised Jews GOD's Name was forbidden(by breaking the 3rd Commandment,thus the use of HaShem in substitute), yeah, HaShem, another name of Devil to substitute, to replace the true name of GOD,whose NAME they never wanted to hear speaking.
HaShem and the gold calf are the same, idolatry and sorcery of the Jews of the synagogue of Satan
Stephen in His preaching to the Jews said unto them: Acts 7:53-58
53 Israel have received the law by the disposition of angels, and they have not kept it.
54 When they heard these things, they were cut to the heart, and they gnashed on him with their teeth.
55 But Stephen,being full of the Holy Spirit,looked up stedfastly into heaven,and saw the glory of GOD,and JESUS standing on the right hand of GOD,(not on the right hand of HaShen, Jehovah, Adonai, YHWH, Yahveh, or other DEMONS)
56 And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of GOD.
57 Then they cried out with a loud voice, and stopped their ears, and ran upon him with one accord,
58 And cast Stephen out of the city, and stoned him:
After their hardness and impenitent heart treasured up unto themselves wrath in this Day of wrath and revelation of the righteous Judgment of GOD;
6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds
But after their hardness and impenitent heart, they treasured up unto themselves wrath against this Day of wrath and revelation of the righteous Judgment of GOD; Unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the Truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
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Re: Exodus 6:2,3. As I re-read it again, I believe that God Himself is telling Moses (& all who read His Word), that His Name is Jehovah but this Name was not known to Abraham, Isaac, & Jacob. They knew Him as "God Almighty" (El Shaddai: the Almighty God) as seen in Genesis 17:1:
"And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the ALMIGHTY GOD (El Shaddai); walk before me, and be thou perfect".
God here in Exodus is stating Who He is to His people under this special Covenant. If you believe that this is not what God said, then I can't go further with it, because I read it with plain understanding. All I can see, is that these names, which you find detestable & demonic, are Hebrew words of God showing Himself in His fullness. But where we have God's compound Names (e.g. Jehovah-Jireh/Ropheka/Nissi/Shalom/Sabaoth/and others) these I will admit are Names that are given when Israel saw their God at Work in their presence but most certainly NOT Satan-inspired names. If anything is debatable or problematic, then we need to search for proof.
What matters and prevails is the Truth,GOD is Truth,and the Truth is only One,The Word Himself is GOD.
You just confirmed by quoting that in original source of Scriptures there is not Yahweh(see,Satan is behind this name,and in his devilish strategy he introduce himself in short as a demonic tetragram YHWH),but the point is also Jehovah,this is another name of the father of the Jews,the father of lie- John 8:44-says it be GOD's name.
But the Devil,father of the Jews,as my Lord JESUS said- John 8:44- father of the lie,he invented another names,you just brings more one fictitious name of GOD invented by the man of sin-the Devil-it is ADONAI,the Devil as a God.Those which invoke Jehovah, Yahweh, YHWH, Adonai.among other fictitious names given by Satan to my GOD,father of JESUS, in fact they are invoking the Devil, CAN YOU SEE? This miscellany/ hodgepodge of names invented by the Devil as if they were names of GOD is a satanic strategy to replace or to erase he NAME of JESUS. Now, the command of the Lord JESUS is to cast down the Devil from heaven to the bottomless pit, chaining him with a great chain. The dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the Devil and Satan will be chained and threw into the bottomless pit, locked and sealed, so that he could not deceive the nations no more.
Exodus 6:2,3(KJV),CJB and Tanack:
The Word, GOD Himself, GOD in Person,He never said His name is Jehovah,and ADONAI,and YHWH,and Yahweh, among other names.In fact Satan invented the names trying to corrupt the Holy Scriptures, the true Word of GOD, the Word is GOD, self-executing, understand?You can see how the Devil, the father of the Jews, father of the lie,has corrupted the original Scriptures through corrupted translations,the Devil always corrupted the nation of Israel through his false prophets and with his idolatries and sorceries, and has also done the same within the Church of my Lord JESUS sowing his tares. The time now is of harvest. Get ready
God bless you both.
So, I think you will notice the differences between the KJB & these other translations (even when looking at the 'modern' English translations). What are your thoughts on this?
Can we then say that Jehovah, Adonai, etc. are spurious, satanic names, or rather, it is how the translators have understood the texts & translated them. And not forgetting, to some Jews, the uttering of God's Name was forbidden (by breaking the 3rd Commandment, thus the use of HaShem in substitute).
When we have so many different renderings of these verses, I believe it is safer & wiser to state that the Name that God proclaimed to His people Israel ( Exodus 6:3: the proper personal Name given to those in a Covenant relationship with Him), was indeed Jehovah. And the other Names used of Him are also valid (which describe God's Nature & Work as manifested to Israel); used or not used for pure reasons & motives, and I believe, not for evil reasons.
Thank you Oseas, that was helpful to me & I did pursue research into what you shared. I first looked at the Complete Jewish Bible & then the Tanakh, and read Isaiah 12:1,2 as follows:
1. On that day you will say: "I thank you, ADONAI, because, although you were angry at me, your anger is now turned away; and you are comforting me.
2. See! God is my salvation. I am confident and unafraid; for Yah ADONAI is my strength and my song, and he has become my salvation! (These verses are a little different to what you've given from the CJB & I wasn't able to easily find online a CJB that read exactly as yours).
Then in the Tanakh, Isaiah 12:1,2 reads:
1. And you shall say on that day, "I will thank You, O Lord, for You were wroth with me; may Your wrath turn away and may You comfort me.
2. Here is the God of my salvation, I shall trust and not fear; for the strength and praise of the Eternal the Lord was my salvation. (So in the Tanakh as well, even though the wording is different, you are correct, Yahweh is not given).
Now let's look at another example: Exodus 6:2,3 (KJV):
2. And God spake unto Moses, and said unto him, I am the LORD:
3. And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.
In the CJB:
2. God spoke to Moshe; he said to him, "I am ADONAI.
3. I appeared to Avraham, Yitz'chak and Ya'akov as El Shaddai, although I did not make myself known to them by my name, Yud-Heh-Vav-Heh [ADONAI].
And in the Tanakh:
2. God spoke to Moses, and He said to him, "I am the Lord.
3. I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob with [the name] Almighty God, but [with] My name YHWH, I did not become known to them. (you may want to re-check these against your readings).
This discussion started for myself when Adam quoted Isaiah 12:1-2, and appeared the pseudo name of Jehovah, which was inadvertently added into the translation from the original source.
Comparing what Adam quoted from Isaiah 12:1-2 in the translations of Scriptures, with the Complete Jewish Bible, here's the difference:
Adam quoted: Is.12:1-2:
1- And in that day thou shalt say, O Lord, I will praise thee: though thou wast angry with me, thine anger is turned away, and thou comfortedst me.
2 Behold, God is my salvation; I will trust, and not be afraid: for the Lord JEHOVAH is my strength and my song; he also is become my salvation.
From Complete Jewish Bible-Is.12:1-2: (Comparison-see the difference)
1And you shall say on that day,"I will thank You,O Lord,for You were wroth with me;may Your wrath turn away and may You comfort me.
2Here is the GOD of my salvation,"I shall trust and not fear;for the strength and praise of the Eternal the Lord was my salvation."
So, Isaiah didn't cited the name of Devil when he preached the message to the people of Israel.Isaiah had the Spirit of Christ, understand?He was a messianic prophet,you know of this.By the way,JESUS still was in the bosom of the Father- John 1:18
You said I should supply my references that you may research this too,I agree,but I did not still do this because the site doesn't accept to post links.My assertions were based from a source called chabad,try to find it: It's Tanakh, the Hebrew Bible, Ketuvin(Scriptures).
As you said, it certainly is a serious matter if both Jews and Christians(then and now)are reading corrupt copies of the original.
Between both Scriptures above quoted,which of them is approved by the Holy Spirit?Only one is true,and approved by the Spirit of Truth.In my vision is the original source,but I'm referring strictly to this portion of Scriptures- Isaiah 12:1-2.
Therefore with joy shall we draw water out of the wells of salvation.