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  • M - in Reply on John 1
    To the best of my understanding, it seems to be that God can be understood as 3 entities(God the Father, God the Son, The Holy Spirit) who are 1 in heart, so they are the same in the sense that they would make the same decisions, and feel the same way. I find it difficult to fully grasp as well, but I suppose we won't fully grasp it until we go to heaven, but maybe someone can do a better job explaining it than I did.
  • M - in Reply on 2 Timothy 3
    Most people who don't believe in God believe science holds all the answers people seek, and that people came up with the ideas of gods or God to help explain things that they didn't understand.

    Also, it would be very inconvenient for them if they suddenly came to realize God is real, and that they've been doing things that are very wrong.

    All their friends believe all that spiritual stuff is a stone age myth, and they wouldn't want to be the odd man out.

    2Thessalonians 2:10-13

    2Timothy 2:25-26

    2Timothy 4:4

    Romans 1:25
  • M - in Reply on John 3:4
    Through focus and prayer, you can obtain understanding. Ask God to help you understand.
  • M - in Reply on Luke 12:10
    It seems to mean the one unforgivable sin is not having the Holy Spirit, because those without the Holy Spirit people don't have their debts paid by the blood of the Lamb. So rejecting God and Jesus's sacrifice in their place is unforgivable because forgiveness is through the blood.

    Once someone accepts Jesus's sacrifice in their place, and puts their faith in Him, that condition no longer exists, and all can be forgiven.
  • Claudia McCall - in Reply on Matthew 5:9
    Thank you,Chris,you are very kind. I will meditate on what you have said!
  • M - in Reply on Habakkuk 2:9
    Deuteronomy 18:21-22 might be what you're looking for.
  • M - in Reply on Leviticus 3
    To the best of my understanding, it's because the sin has to be paid for. The payment for sin is blood because the wages of sin is death. There's some kind of connection between the physical things going on in this world and the spiritual world.
  • Claudia McCall - in Reply on Matthew 5:9
    Hello:

    I want to thank everyone who responded to me. You have all given me alot to think about.

    I apologize, I see that some of my comments may have offended or misled some, so I want to clarify. I had no intention to attempt to contradict or discredit the Bible or Christianity. I only was trying to say that at this time and place in my life, it was not for me. I wasn't trying to come onto a Biblical site and criticize the Bible, Christianity or Christians. I was at one time, a Christian. I am no longer because that particular religion was not compatible for me and so I left. And because I was not treated well back in tbe day by some who identified as Christians.

    I came on this site because I saw it advertised on television as a place where people could come together and talk about issues that divide us and find reconciliation. I was trying to figure out if it was possible to salvage a friendship that had been heartbreakingly fractured by some of the events of the day, especially racism. I mentioned my sexual orientation to give the context that this friend did not just come out with a prejudice randomly; she had a history of prejudicial behavior and this was part of why I was upset. I received some very helpful responses and some understanding and I thank those who gave them. Thank you very much and God bless.
  • Suzanne - in Reply on Psalms 41
    This can b a tough question ,in my life i have had a very serious illness and i did not hesitate 2 take the medical treatment offered ,i belive that all good things come from God and that he has given people the knowledge to cure and treat illnessess ,all through my treatment i prayed 2 God and asked him that i might continue 2 live ,i wasnt afraid 2 die i just didnt want 2 yet as i wanted 2 b with my loved ones longer ,i believe u should do what u believe is right 4 u ,if God wants u 2 continue living u will and if God wants u 2 die u will die ,we have 2 accept His decision and trust in His righteousness and mercy ,i thank God that He allowed and allows me 2 continue living .Please do what u think is right 4 u without worrying about it ,we r all always in His hands and there is no better place 4 us 2 b .
  • M - in Reply on Deuteronomy 18
    I think I get what you mean, but it's not that simple. These were the armor(or armour, as it's spelled in kjv) pieces:

    helmet of salvation (protects your most vital part)

    breastplate of righteousness (righteousness protects your heart from evil)

    loins girt with truth (having a base of truth gives you the center on which to build on)

    feet shod with preparation of the gospel of peace (to run away quickly from temptations)

    shield of faith (to withstand all of satan's fiery darts)

    sword of the spirit (the only offensive weapon, prayer)

    You can't exactly put on the armor of God without studying the word of truth and growing your relationship with Him. You have to sharpen your sword and repair your shield and armor before going into battle. This is done by growing in understanding and faith, which comes from studying the word of God.
  • Rick Mentzer - in Reply on Jeremiah 5:1
    Biblically give to God First and that believing he will give you increase and supply all your need. In the law it was ten percent or first fruits whether animals or crops but you gave your best first, thats the tithe and purpose of it. Now how and where you give is your call, understand this your responsibility if possible is to give and it must not be grudgingly God loves a cheerful giver, also the receiver is responsible for what he does with it. So who do you trust. The apostle Paul talks about it to the church of corinth. Once you give Let Go And Let God. Thats believing!
  • Rick Mentzer - in Reply on Deuteronomy 18
    Putting on the whole armour of God is learning and walking on His word that sir is a lifelong deal because we who are imperfect ate endeavoring to put on perfection Gods word, remember Jesus Christ respose to the devil during the temptations in Luke 4 everytime it is written handing over the authority to His Father and our Father.
  • Rick Mentzer - in Reply on Deuteronomy 18
    i'm trying to understand your point Robert and why so angry.
  • M - in Reply on Genesis 6
    I've heard that before as well, but we have no clue on the nature of spirits and angels, and what they exactly can and can't do. Also, Genesis 6:4;

    "There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown."

    It differentiates "sons of God" and "daughters of men", implying that the sons of God mentioned are not men. I also heard the phrase "sons of God" in the original texts in this context were specifically used for referring to angels.
  • M - in Reply on James 2
    Are you wondering about James 2:2-4? The way I understand that verse is don't look at the outside of a person and treat them based on that. Instead, you should look at the heart of a person.
  • Chris - in Reply on Matthew 5:9
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    So a life in Christ is not a "try, see if you like it, then accept or reject Christ" type of association - that is merely religion, whereby one can choose to find a belief system or philosophy that fits in with our beliefs. Christianity - pure Christianity from the Bible speaks of a complete inward change that then pursues the things of God in spite of personal conflicts & challenges along the way. So Claudia, please don't give up on Christ - in spite of your past & even distresses of the present, Christ is your (& our) only Hope for this life & that which is to come. As Jesus is ready to forgive us completely,without partiality or condemnation, it is my hope & prayer that you will find both this Love of Christ in your heart & life & also the love & full acceptance of your friend.
  • Chris - in Reply on Matthew 5:9
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    I hope the responses you've received so far have been useful & I thank you for yours to me giving further detail to the most recent 'outburst'. Of course, not hearing your friend's side of this sad account, I can only discern from what you have shared here. Your friend appears to be somewhat 'highly strung' in her changing moods & rhetoric. As others have shared or intimated, Christians may be a forgiven people but certainly God has still to do a lot more work in us. I'm only sad that you're not seeing a better example of Christ-likeness & by your forgiving her & God's Work in her, she may be able to see herself more clearly.

    We have a relative (a lady about your age) who is gay, though never suffering childhood abuse as you have. Her story sounds similar to yours, in that she once was quite a vibrant Christian, but was 'put off' by the attitudes & hypocrisies she saw in her family & Christians generally & felt better served to follow her sexual orientation & indeed go right over to the other side & pursue the Hindu philosophy. She is now quite an active Hindu & turned completely away from anything of Christ. Of course, I can't comment on your 're-birth' experience, as it's something personal between God & yourself, but I do know that if we are born again, then it's a complete spiritual change (not physical) done by God for all time. If one such as yourself should also then have to 'fit in' your sexual orientation in that Work of God, then God certainly will speak, guide & counsel you about it. It will be a struggle, as there are struggles in each of us who may have been given over to behaviour that is inconsistent with God's requirements, but we pursue godliness to please the One Who has brought light into our once dark souls.
  • Eric on Exodus 18
    Was Moses literally judging them? Or was it more like confession at a church?
  • Adam - in Reply on Matthew 5:9
    Just so everyone knows, this is a Bible website where people can come and read it, discuss it, and those who choose to follow its teachings are called Christians who follow Jesus Christ as a role model.

    If someone comes to a Bible site and publicly posts that they disagree with its teachings or think the Bible is wrong for this or that reason, then that can be offensive and judgmental to the many who respect its teachings. One must question the true motives of someone coming to a Bible website who then tries to discredit the Bible.

    The Bible says the act of homosexuality is a sin. That isn't an opinion. That is what the Bible says in its text in several places: Link - is someone a Bible follower or a Bible-denier? Is someone a Christ follower (Christian) or a Christ denier?

    So, the act is morally wrong and a sin. Just because someone has desires for something doesn't mean he must act on it. People regularly have all kinds of desires for sin, because sin is made attractive. Satan loves to dangle sin in front of our faces, but that doesn't mean we must engage in that sin. People also make a logical fallacy of identifying oneself as this or that, as if that somehow justifies sin. No, identifying oneself as a certain label doesn't make sin ok. i.e. I'm a robber, so robbing others is ok. I'm a player, so having affairs is ok, etc. on and on. It's all the same old, tired tricks that satan plays over and over, but they keep working to deceive people.

    God calls everyone to be loving. Love people, despite their flaws. Loving doesn't mean to condone sin and it doesn't mean an excuse to commit sin, however. That's a logical fallacy, false assumption and a deception from satan. Sin is sin. God will judge our actions. Sometimes people pretend to be a victim for being called out on sin. Sometimes that feeling is actually guilt from deep-down knowing what one is doing is morally wrong and evil in God's eyes. The Bible is very clear on this subject and it will not be watered down to make someone feel better about their own sin.
  • Rick Mentzer - in Reply on Matthew 5:9
    Claudia don't get me wrong sin is sin but something to keep in mind sin is broken fellowship with God which all people commit, the challenge is if you want the deliverance and to experience His love and power and healing then it has to be done His way. Its like trying to build a house for someone without looking at their blueprint ain't gonna happen, also the more you do for God the more he will do for you its just the way it works. You wouldn't give a totally disobedient child great rewards or responsibility same with God people want Him to work their way and trust me we all make that mistake because we don't fully trust and obey.
  • Claudia McCall - in Reply on Matthew 5:9
    Thank you for your response, Bendigo

    I did learn of those things you mentioned. I was a Born-Again Christian in my 20's.

    Ironically, some of the rest of your response is why I am no longer a Christian.

    But I certainly agree that my friend and I are going in different directions and perhaps nothing I can do can change that, and perhaps I should move on and leave her in Greater Hands.
  • Patty Tozi on Habakkuk 2:9
    God is King right now. You will know Him and His Son before this virus is over. The world will end all of a sudden. Where will you be? The Light of God will Brighten the Darkness that is playing mind games with the world's way of people. Watch..Be Ready...
  • Claudia McCall - in Reply on Matthew 5:9
    Page 2 to Andrew

    But anyway, I do believe in God, and I can and indeed have prayed for her. I want to forgive, and that is my intention, but I have not gotten there yet. I have not spoken to her since October because I do think that she did feel guilty, and rather than disavow, or at least take time to mull it over, she blamed me, and later doubled down when I tried to reach out a little. I don't relish being treated like that again. It's a shame, because I love and miss her. But I can't stomach this part of her.

    But anyway, Andrew, I thank you for your thought-provoking and kind response to me.
  • Claudia McCall - in Reply on Matthew 5:9
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    Thank you for your reply, Andrew, I actually replied some of what I wanted to say to you, to Chris.

    I used to actually be Born Again. But that was not a good fit for me, for many reasons, including my sexual orientation, and a long history of abuse with my stepfather. Nonetheless, I am very familiar with Christianity, and did study the Bible in my 20's when I identified as Born Again. This was the 80's and many Christians I had experience with were very offensive to me as a gay woman, a real turnoff.

    I still struggle with the amount of animus that is directed at gay people by some people who identify as Christians. I understand that Christianity considers homosexuality as a sin. And I recognize that to Christians all sin is sin. But it is hard for me to look at it that way. To me, it is strange. Two consenting adults loving one another is "bad", but it is OK for some to rationalize slavery. My friend said to me, "Well, Claudia, do you know that back in the day, black people had slaves? Do you know black people sold one another into slavery? At one time or another, all races have had it bad (!). Are you aware of Morgan Freeman's views on racism?" Now, back in the day, my friend made homophobic statements such as "Homosexuality is a gross sin in the eyes of God and AIDS is the punishment.". That statement was circa 1986. She has disavowed her homophobia and apologized for saying those kind of things to me, and we did quite well for five years. But the above racist/apologist statements are things she said to me this fall, after the summer of BLM protests. When I read them, I just ask myself what the point was of her disavowing the homophobia, when it doesn't seem like she learned anything from it? And when I told her how much her racist/apologist statements offended me, she apologized, but when I pointed out those same statements would offend POC, she not only didn't apologize, she doubled down on them!
  • Ricky D Mentzer - in Reply on Philippians 2
    Fred Adam and eve were not innocent they both believed and acted on the serpent lie. and spiritually lost their connection with God also all the authority that Adam had was handed over to Satan Read Luke 4:5-7 it's says it was handed to him that's how cataclysmic the fall of Genisis was which is why The Devil is called God of this world. God by his only begotten son not only delivered us from the power of darkness but also spiritually now we are in the body of Christ i.e. Saints eventually to be going to our Father who delivered us in perfect bodies for all eternity.
  • Marsha Dixon on Psalms 109
    My take on Psalms 121very powerful David is actually telling is enemies about is GOD and how powerful he's so David is saying because of my obedient to GOD and is command, when I pray

    to the GOD who made the HEAVEN and the EARTH he will be a watchman for you, whatever you do. he will not let you, to be a shame, you will not fail he will not let your foot be weak

    and assuring them that he's a GOD that do not slumber he do not sleep he watches over is

    children's he's the GOD of the Day and the GOD of the night no harm will come near you

    when you go out and you come in this's a promise he made. if GOD made a promise he will surely keep it. remember when JESUS said in Matthew I will never leave you nor for sake you he will be with you to the very end that's a promise. and he's still with us saints of GOD.
  • Earl Bowman - in Reply on Luke 12:10
    Rebecca, may the Spirit grace you with his understanding.

    Most things in God's word have to be discerned by applying multiple scriptures and all applied against:

    1 John 2:27 But the anointing (Holy Ghost in you) which ye have received (by grace) of him (Holy Ghost) abideth in you, and you NEED NOT THAT ANY MAN TEACH YOU; but as the same anointing (the Holy Ghost) teacheth you ALL things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it (the Holy Ghost) hath taught you, ye shall abide (become one) in him (the Holy Ghost).

    Ephesians 4:21 If so be that ye have HEARD him (the Holy Ghost), and have been taught by him (the Holy Ghost), as the truth is in Jesus (THE WORD OF GOD).

    Romans 10:17 So then faith cometh by HEARING, and HEARING by the WORD OF GOD (studying, meditating).

    The scriptures were written by men under the influence of the Holy Ghost.

    Revelation 19:10 .... for the testimony (words) of Jesus (THE WORD) is the spirit of prophecy.

    2 Peter 1:21 For prophecy came.....as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

    Now to your question, what does it mean to blaspheme the Holy Ghost. Since the WORD (truth) was written by the Holy Ghost, you blaspheme when you call his WORD a lie. Example:

    1 Timothy 2:3-4 For this is GOOD AND ACCEPTABLE in the sight of God our Saviour; who WILL HAVE all men to be saved, and come to the KNOWLEDGE of the truth.

    Matthew 6:10 Thy kingdom come, thy WILL BE DONE in earth, as it (HIS WILL) is in heaven.

    1 Timothy 4:10-11 .....who is the SAVIOUR OF ALL MEN, specially those that BELIEVE.

    (vs) 11 These things COMMAND AND TEACH.

    Psalms 22:27 ALL the ends of the world shall REMEMBER and TURN unto the LORD: and ALL KINDREDS OF THE NATIONS SHALL WORSHIP BEFORE THEE.

    1 Corinthians 15:28 And when ALL THINGS shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him (Father) that put ALL THINGS under him (Son) that GOD MAY BE ALL IN ALL.

    WE all blaspheme on our journey to TRUTH just REPENT and TURN to the new found TRUTH.
  • Robert Malit - in Reply on Deuteronomy 18
    Continuation of my comments

    english standard version = changed contradicts truth

    John 1-3 english standard version (esv) 1 in the beginning was the word, and the word was with god, and the word was god. 2 he was in the beginning with god. 3 all things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made.

    what are the consequences of following false teachers, according to our god/lord jesus?

    here is what our lord jesus is saying in the bible

    is there danger in rejecting the "trinity doctine"?

    the bible has no record whatsoever of any danger rejecting the trinity doctrine. however, the danger lies in "accepting & believing it, because it blasphemes god!

    our names will be taken away from the "book of life" believers going to heaven, eternal life with god.

    we, you & i go to hell to burn forever

    following false teachers - accepting & believing what they preach as the truth & doing it or practicing it - you blasphemed god.



    here is what god is saying

    Revelation 22:18 context 18for i testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, if any man shall add unto these things, god shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: 19and if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, god shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

    Deuteronomy 4:2 2ye shall not add unto the word which i command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the lord your god which i command you.
  • Robert Malit - in Reply on Deuteronomy 18
    Continuation of my comments

    JUSTIFICATION OF GOD'S USED OF PLURAL PRONOUNS "US & OUR" = HE IS SURROUNDED BY CHERUBIMS AS MESSENGERS

    Ezekiel 10:19 Context 19And the cherubims lifted up their wings, and mounted up from the earth in my sight: when they went out, the wheels also were beside them, and every one stood at the door of the east gate of the LORD'S house; and the glory of the God of Israel was over them above. 20This is the living creature that I saw under the God of Israel by the river of Chebar; and I knew that they were the cherubims. 21Every one had four faces apiece, and every one four wings; and the likeness of the hands of a man was under their wings.

    1.TAKES AWAY FROM = preposition "by"

    2.ADDS = preposition "through" and replaced preposition "by"

    3.PURPOSE OF THIS CHANGE = justifies there is a Triune God or Trinity (God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit)

    4.CHANGE CONTRADICTS THE TRUTH = there is no biblical truth to support the Trinity in the Bible

    5.NULLIFIES = these subtle changes nullify the written word of God or truth in the Bible - BLASPHEMES GOD = AN UNPARDONABLE SIN

    THIS IS THE TRUTH - TRUE GOSPEL OF GOD

    KING JAMES VERSION BIBLE = MOST ACCURATE VERSION

    John 1:1-3 KJV 1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2The same was in the beginning with God. 3All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

    THIS IS WHAT THE FALSE TEACHERS HAD DONE TO JUSTIFY THEIR TRINITY DOCTRINE - 3 persons in 1 God, (God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit)

    NEW KING JAMES VERSION = CHANGED - CONTRADICTS TRUTH

    John 1:1-3 NKJV 1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was in the beginning with God. 3All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.

    WHAT THEY DID IS BLASPHEMED GOD - AN UNFORGIVEABLE SIN. BY USING FLOWERY WORDS, THEY DECEIVED THEIR FOLLOWERS.
  • Robert Malit - in Reply on Deuteronomy 18
    THIS IS THE SMALL CHANGE THAT CHANGED, NULLIFIES THE TRUTH, CHECK YOUR BIBLE. FROM NOW ON, GOD HAS WARNED YOU AND I. CHANGE OR REMAIN DISOBEDIENT TO GOD.

    Definition of words or prepositions:

    "through" = (KJV Dictionary) by means of, by the agency of. (Mirriam Webster Dictionary) by way of, by means of, by virtue of.

    "by" = (KJV Dictionary) as an adverb, by denotes a noun (JESUS) is understood performed the actions.

    HERE ARE BIBLE VERSES AS PROOFS

    Genesis 1:4 Context 1In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.26And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. 27So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

    TO SUPPORT THE EXISTENCE OF THE TRINITY

    1.False Teachers claimed this statement of God proved it using plural pronouns (us & our): Verse 26 "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:"

    2.TRUTH EXPOSED "False Teachers" CLAIM = notice used of singular pronoun (he & his)= Verse 27 "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them."

    JUSTIFICATION OF GOD'S USED OF PLURAL PRONOUNS "US & OUR" = HE IS SURROUNDED BY CHERUBIMS AS MESSENGERS

    Ezekiel 10:19 Context 19And the cherubims lifted up their wings, and mounted up from the earth in my sight: when they went out, the wheels also were beside them, and every one stood at the door of the east gate of the LORD'S house; and the glory of the God of Israel was over them above. 20This is the living creature that I saw under the God of Israel by the river of Chebar; and I knew that they were the cherubims. 21Every one had four faces apiece, and every one four wings; and the likeness of the hands of a man was under their wings.

    1.TAKES AWAY FROM = preposition "by"

    2.ADDS = prepo


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