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  • Adam - 2 months ago
    Happy Sunday. Some verses that jumped out at me...

    1 Timothy 3:16

    Colossians 1:14-20

    John 14:6

    Isaiah 48:12, Revelation 22:13

    My interpretation: Jesus is a big deal. Probably bigger than we realize and He loves us and died for each of us that we may choose to follow Him. God bless.
  • Bennymkje - 2 months ago
    Ps.24:1 "Fullness of the earth"

    "The earth is the Lord's, and the fulness thereof; the world, and they that dwell therein./For he hath founded it upon the seas, and established it upon the floods."

    He has set his throne as a king, "The Lord sitteth upon the flood; yea, the Lord sitteth King for ever."(Ps.29:10) The phrase, 'forever' assures us the Word of God, the King of Kings, and lord of Lords, "And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God./And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean."(Re.19:13-14) "And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, King Of Kings, And Lord Of Lords."(v.16)

    His "vesture dipped in blood" is an emblem that is determined by the Word of God. "Who is this that cometh from Edom, with dyed garments from Bozrah? this that is glorious in his apparel, travelling in the greatness of his strength? I that speak in righteousness, mighty to save."(Is.63:1) Here we have Jesus Christ riding out ,the rider on the white horse to conquer and conquering. Before the worlds began we have him fulfilling the determined Will of his Father followed by the cloud of witnesses, 'and in the fulness thereof ' indicate we have no way of knowing by our own intellect. The Word of God determines how and where. He is none other than the Word become flesh, "Jesus Christ the same yesterday, today and forever.:(He.13:8)

    Neither can we conceive foundations for the earth. Hannah referred to it. "He raiseth up the poor out of the dust, and lifteth up the beggar from the dunghill, to set them among princes, and to make them inherit the throne of glory: for the pillars of the earth are the Lord's, and he hath set the world upon them."(1 Sa.2:8)

    In the light of the above, how shall we interpret this verse? "And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth."(Rev.12:16).
  • GiGi - In Reply - 2 months ago
    Hi Momsage,

    I wanted to get back to you about my ultrasound on my thyroid. The radiologist said to keep a watch on it by redoing an ultrasound in a year. So, that is good news! No fine needle biopsy needed or any further testing other than a recheck next January. Happy, Happy, Happy!

    Been making more soup this week to bring to those who like to have single serve soup in a variety of types. I love doing that and it is very hard to make just a small amount of soup. Made chicken vegetable and chicken tortilla soup this week.

    Next, I will make a beef and cabbage soup that is so good and a great mushroom soup I love. then I will stop for awhile since my freezer is getting crowded.

    Today when I was washing a handful of grapes to have for a snack, I just stopped and thanked God for providing me with fresh fruit to eat.

    The remodel of our bathrooms began on Thursday. I am glad they are starting with the baths because there are five adults living here. We can take a shower in the tub now. And when the master bath is done with the walk in shower, then they will do the other bath with replacing the bath surround and flooring and painting. The wall is patched where they had to access the plumbing. When those things get done, then they will seat the toilet and set the vanities and sinks. It is good to see progress.

    Thank you Jesus!
  • Carleton - In Reply - 2 months ago
    Thank you Ronald! The family is well! How are you and your family doing? I am glad with you for this nice website that we can freely write back and forth with one another.

    Hope you have a nice rest.

    Carleton
  • Adam - In Reply - 2 months ago
    RLW, I'm happy to discuss further if its a fair discussion. I asked if your use of trinity "doctrine" was to demean, and I'm gathering from your response that it was unintentional and not a tactic, correct?

    This word was used to characterize our believing scripture like 1 John 5:7. You called it a trinity "doctrine" but I just call it reading the Bible as written. So, if you think my belief is a doctrine then I suppose your belief is a doctrine- that would only be fair. Just want a level playing field for whatever is discussed.

    I think believing the Bible as written is important without distortion or bias, but I believe many things discussed in forums like this, such as the trinity, are not salvation issues. I've never met another Christian who has ever believed this, either. There are more that believe baptism, tithing or taking communion are higher on the essentials list than believing in trinity. Some churches have pastors that don't agree on the trinity. It is admittedly a confusing concept that humans cannot easily relate to, because we don't have 1 be 3 things and also 3 be 1 in our world.

    God is greater than our comprehension and I trust that when God's Word says things like John 1:1 or 1 John 5:7 that it is true. I am aware of your objection with the translation, but I believe it is already accurately translated and other scriptures support it too. I also think there's a tendency to target the translation for verses people don't like, but often the verses people do like aren't equally dissected. This leads to a distorted understanding in my opinion.

    I'm curious what you think about the last two verses shared about Jesus being the Alpha and Omega. To me that says that Jesus is God, but I'm sure you've read this before and have reconciled this with your belief somehow, so I'm open to hearing that. But if you want to save it for another day that's fine too. God bless.
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 2 months ago
    "It is true, that Jesus' love for sinners was His prime motivation to give up His Life in redemption; but if it was also God's Love for all people that caused Him to provide a sacrifice, can we measure or understand that Love, by Him just creating a suitable sacrifice or by giving up His Own Life for us? An earthly perspective: is real love & salvation seen by someone calling out to another to help a child caught in a rip, or should not that the man himself go out & risk his life to save? It's easy to get someone else, but true love is by doing the job yourself. And God did that in the Incarnation."

    Very good point here Brother Christ.

    Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.

    Matthew 20:28.

    This love was displayed to us while we were yet sinners.

    God bless
  • Ronald Whittemore - In Reply - 2 months ago
    Adam,

    Thanks, I understand the passion this subject brings. What you said, you may have thought I had a goal to demean Christians believing what the Bible says is when I felt it was going the wrong way. I hope you understand. Maybe we can have other discussions?

    God bless,

    RLW
  • Adam - In Reply - 2 months ago
    RLW, that's your choice, but its unfortunate that after all the effort to narrow down differences and beliefs that those still remain unknown. I don't know what emotions you are assuming. Most people don't even know what their own spouse is feeling so to imagine and assume what someone you've never met is feeling by a few words typed on the internet would seem like quite a superpower. God bless.
  • Jema - 2 months ago
    Goodbye and may God bless you all , especially Mishael , Skip , Fred , Bennymkje , Richard , Alex and Earl . Looking forward to seeing you in Our Father's Kingdom . In my heart always .
  • Jema - In Reply - 2 months ago
    Goodbye Ronald , you have said so many things perfectly :) , I hope you continue to do so . Much love to you in Christ .
  • Jema - In Reply - 2 months ago
    Goodbye Momsage , I hope you find someone else to ' discuss ' with :) .
  • Jema - In Reply - 2 months ago
    May God continue to keep you busy :) .
  • Bennymkje - In Reply - 2 months ago
    In the 80s I woke up in the wee hours with a voice and a verse. Immediately I woke up and referred the passage, " And of Benjamin he said, The beloved of the Lord shall dwell in safety by him; and the Lord shall cover him all the day long, and he shall dwell between his shoulders."(De.33:12) I am the youngest son so named Benjamin. "And he shall dwell between his shoulders"I took it as "I am in his will." I have three other younger sisters. How did my father think that I' m the yougest son. But looking back I can see that I was foreknown. So let us say, each child of God shall find there was no coincidence or luck but His grace.

    On Dec.28 2021 while I dressed up for the day I heard a small voice prompting me to begin a dictionary, comparing the spiritual with spiritual. Straightaway I began the day with entries. OnMay 8,2022 I finished the entire work which since then went through editing and I took it up lately knowing that my work was not in void but blessed by the Lord. He that has begun a good work shall see to it whether I am still around or not. I have not put my name as the author since God is the author and finisher of it.
  • Ronald Whittemore - In Reply - 2 months ago
    Hi Jena,

    Thank you, sometimes we need to step back but I must say there is love on this site. You stay strong in your faith, we know He is with us.

    God bless,

    RLW
  • Jema - In Reply - 2 months ago
    It's hard work shaking off those old chains :) . Our parents can load us with baggage but Christ takes it off us and shows us a better way , I'm glad he found you , I can't imagine what would have become of me if he hadn't dragged me out of the fire . He's worked wonders for you , keep up the good work .
  • Jema - In Reply - 2 months ago
    You are important to God . Stick with Him , He won't ever let you down .
  • Momsage - In Reply - 2 months ago
    "I have another comment about the KJV . I think the reason that MANY ascribe an almost mythical status"

    A true believer does not believe the bible is mythical, which means made up, they love it in all it's truth and glory. It could have been penned by anyone under God's anointing, but He decided to use king James for the very reasons you give.

    "It seems quite a reasonable arguement to me , but it's one that I'm staying out of as of now :)."

    You speak your opinion and give what you believe is a reasonable argument but then tell people you won't discuss what they have to say with them. That's your right, of course, but it seems a little unfair to others here because, after all, this is a discussion forum.



    DISCUSSION

    Consideration of a subject by a group; an earnest conversation.

    A formal discourse on a topic; an exposition.

    "I learned a long time ago that the chances of me ever being able to change anyone's opinion about anything are almost nil , so I don't often try . MATTHEW 28: 16-20

    I hope and pray all goes well with you and God blesses you mightily and I will honor your wishes. God Bless :)
  • Ronald Whittemore - In Reply - 2 months ago
    Adam,

    I do not have a goal, and I have never tried to demean anyone on this site. I feel this conversation is causing emotions that should not be and I am sorry, I never wanted that and to reply to you would be wrong. Out of love and respect, I will end this discussion.

    God bless,

    RLW
  • Adam - In Reply - 2 months ago
    Powerful.
  • Adam - In Reply - 2 months ago
    Great point. That must have been utterly shocking, terrifying, and maybe humiliating for Saul / Paul to hear Jesus like that.
  • Adam - In Reply - 2 months ago
    I'm sure you know this went off topic of my original question, but am happy to discuss as long as this is genuine and respectful.

    I did some searching online and couldn't yet find any church that believes what you said. A website for Orthodox Christians also said you don't have to believe in trinity to be saved, so I question the validity of this belief.

    Is the goal of this is to demean Christians who believe what the Bible says about God in John 1:1, 1 John 5:7? Believing what the Bible says is not a doctrine, but denying it or twisting it can be considered a manmade doctrine.

    "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty." Revelation 1:8 KJV

    The Alpha and Omega is the Lord Jesus.

    "And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son."

    Revelation 21:6-7

    This says the Alpha and Omega "will be his God". Do you agree?

    Does this not plainly say that the Lord Jesus is God?

    If Jesus was not God, then why would the Bible say so many times that He IS God, like in John 1:1, 1 Timothy 3:16, Isaiah 9:6, and His own name Immanuel means "God with us". One would think if God wrote a Bible to convince us that Him dying for us was not Him but someone else and to tell us that salvation is from someone else and not through Him, then why would it say so many times Jesus is God. People called Him God, His name was God, He has the power of God, and the Bible says He is God. But I'm supposed to believe that He isn't though?
  • Bennymkje - In Reply - 2 months ago
    We all have a past while God saw future in us. Growing under the rod and thumb of a stern father I know what it is having to give account for my days. So I bristled whenever my woman would want to know. Luckily it never showed up. I thought to myself, "I am a fool to reply to love as I did to my father, in defensive mode". God made me see difference so the stern attitude I learned now to apply where it require, So I would rather please God. Both ways I am content with love of being a husband and a son who ought to give glory to our Father which art in heaven. It is all how we look at things outside of ourselves. "And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose."
  • Ronald Whittemore - In Reply - 2 months ago
    Hi Carleton,

    Thank you, hope you and family are doing well. That is interesting, have not heard it put that way. I will look on this in study.

    God bless,

    RLW
  • Ronald Whittemore - In Reply - 2 months ago
    Hey Adam,

    Thank you; The statement of faith of many churches has the Trinity doctrine as a foundational belief of their faith, and you cannot join if you do not agree. I can only say what I have been told and how I was treated in some churches the denominations do not matter. The Orthodox view says if you do not believe the Trinity, you are not saved and are not a Christian. Some bible discussion sites before you go on them you must endorse the Nicene Creed. That is why I love this site and the people on it. Let's leave it at that.

    God bless,

    RLW
  • Carleton - 2 months ago
    Good morning all!

    "Who is weak, and I am not weak? who is offended, and I burn not?" 2 Corinthians 11:29 KJV

    Paul's meditations in the churches of God.
  • Jema - In Reply - 2 months ago
    I do admire your self control and determination :) , I wish I had some of those traits . Thanks for your great effort and interesting posts , keep it up please :) .
  • Jema - In Reply - 2 months ago
    :) , I do wonder what motivates people to ask a question that they already think they know the answer to , is it just to illicit different responses in order to ' debate ' or to berate ? Silence is golden in those circumstances I think ;) .
  • Adam - In Reply - 2 months ago
    Hi RLW,

    I see you didn't respond to the question, so I'll put it here again. It's important to know where you get this idea from.

    In the last 50 years or more I've attended many different Christian church denominations and I've never once heard of anyone saying you must believe in a trinity to be saved.

    Are you sure that is what someone said?

    Ronald, can you give an example of what specific Christian church denomination and location you believe said this or if it was just one person who said this to you?
  • Jema - In Reply - 2 months ago
    Oh thank you Ronald ! Once again you have explained my thoughts and put them on here :) , are you a mind reader ? No , you're not , you are a Bible reader :) :) :) .
  • Bennymkje - 2 months ago
    "Trinity" (amended)

    Please read the first paragraph as follows:

    Fellowship of God with Man is inshrined in heaven as a memorial. In Re.5:6 we have a visual transcription of the will of God and it shall never change. There must a body, is it not? The body of four and twenty elders is one. The body has its glory ordained by God."But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body." (1 Co.15:38-41). Consequently we see the four beasts and they are reflecting the glory of God and setting his Son as the firstborn of all creation: it gives us one beast having the face of a man. God created man 'in our image', and we have the last Adam represented. According to the will of God 'Let them have dominion,' refers to Adam and three beasts representing His creation.


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