Bible Discussion PAGE 265

  • Mishael - in Reply on Genesis 10
    There is a scripture that says our days are written down. I'll look for that tomorrow.

    Stephen was being stoned on Sauls orders, and it is written that Stephen saw heaven opened and Jesus standing up; which means that Jesus was going to intervene. I believe he took Stephen up right then, by an Angel.

    I think it happens. I can not make an assumption without knowing if this child had ever attended Church, or had been taught about right , wrong , sin, righteousness; Jesus.

    People I know and pray for, still refuse to come to Christ. I still pray for them, but I cannot violate their right of free will.

    The Bible says ALL of our tears are saved in a bottle. In heaven He will wipe the tears away personally. There will be no memories of tears or loss.

    My nephew died in a fiery 18-wheeler accident; same age as my son. It didn't make me feel any better to know he died instantly. But I knew he was a Christian.

    Take Jesus's Life and give Him yours. Just hang on and let Him have that ache in your heart; the anger and all the loss. Someday you will know the truth of that tragedy.

    Alot of us are waiting for that day. I will lift you in prayer tonight.
  • Jesse - in Reply on 1 Corinthians 15
    Amen Robert. We are the ones that are mentioned in Revelation chapter 19 who will be clothed in white (Wedding Garments), and we do come back with Him. I hope everyone likes white horses! Christ comes for His bride (Rapture) and this wedding takes place in heaven while the tribulation here on earth is still going on. And then Christ returns with us. I believe we are the armies that are mentioned in Chapter 19 that he brings with Him at His second coming.
  • Brian Sadler - in Reply on 2 Corinthians 7:10
    In the beginning ... God created Heaven and Earth.

    Could this also mean that the earth is millions or even billions of years old?

    Then we see the creation of 6 days and He rested on the 7th. day.

    Could this also be the creation of Paradise in which still exists today, but not on this wicked planet in which Satan is the god of? Because an Angel was station at the entrance to prevent anyone from entering. After the death and resurrection of our Lord Jesus Christ, the veil was torn open and we now have access to the throne of God and Paradise is now open for the saints and for those who hath been redeemed. The TREE OF LIFE is still in the midst.

    Is it possible that the first man Adam failed because of deception and the second man Jesus Christ was tempted just like Adam... but he defeated the accuser.

    I say this because Jesus said to the man on the cross.. today... you will be with me in Paradise.

    Then the graves were open and the saints who had died were now resurrected into Paradise.

    I hope and pray that someone could help me or prove me wrong.

    Because if Cain killed his brother Abel and he was to leave home, He went to the land of Nod, where he met his wife. This was after Adam and Eve were removed from Paradise and brought down to this OLD EARTH. Could there be 2 earths... One that is billions of years old and the other in which God created in 6 days.
  • Jesse - in Reply on Matthew 24:9
    Grace is the expression of God's character.
  • Jesse - in Reply on Genesis 10
    Yes indeed,

    This is where the Greek text gives clarification to the word good. In Matthew 19:16-17, it says And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?

    Now the word good in this verse is the Greek word AGATHOS. AGATHOS in English means good. But there are different Greek words for the term good.

    This particular word AGATHOS is the good of God. It's the good that the Holy Spirit produces. When Jesus went about doing good, He didn't do KALOS, which is humanitarian good. He went around doing AGATHOS. That is, He was touching people's souls, their spirits.

    When this man comes up to Jesus, he says, Good teacher. He didn't say KALOS, like we would use today if we were to say he or she is a good teacher.

    This man is saying AGATHOS, good. What AGATHOS, what good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?

    And He said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

    So, in Verse 17, the first thing Jesus says to him is, why did you call me AGATHOS? There is none AGATHOS but one, and that is, God.

    So Jesus is saying, do you realize you just called me God? Do you know why you called me that?

    We see the word good in English and it means one thing to us which causes confusion because we know there are good people. However, in the Greek text, the word Agathos was used which can only be applied to the good of God. Human good is Kalos. But this man called Jesus Agathos. What I notice is that Jesus didn't correct this man and say you can't call me that. Why? Because Jesus is God. Jesus said there is none Agathos but God, and you just called me Agathos. This man knew exactly who Jesus was. What a great confession!
  • Does let them who is least esteem among you making reference that since they are on 1 Corinthians 6:4
    I believe most churches will always go to the person persons who they feel is highlt esteemed/ favored. The one they feel most educated, the one with the most money.
  • Elytha on Isaiah 42

    I am concerned about you saying"it didn't matter what name I called him by" " I don't care what his name be called" many other religions apart from Christianity have their own names for their own 'gods' Their god could be Buddha, Allah, Gaia etc. and they call him / it , Lord god. would you respond if anyone call you by a name other than your own name ? No you wouldn't. Neither would The Almighty God , The Son and The Holy Spirit.

    Kat, this is not to criticize but to point out, in the love of Christ, a crucial error made by many.

    Your sister in Jesus Christ
  • Albert liboyio - in Reply on Malachi 3:10
    Look true servant of God to recieve true salvation.
  • Linda G Lewis - in Reply on Revelation 21
    Thank you for your replies. I pray Jesus takes us before long.God bless all.
  • Barbara Poe - in Reply on Numbers 24
    Hi Walter,

    I believe the only way to lose your salvation would be to do the opposite of accepting him as Lord and Savior in addition to deny him as your Lord and Savior.
  • Ervin clarke on Matthew 24:9
    Grace. What is grace?
  • Barbara Poe on Numbers 24
    In 1Samuel 15:23 God says it is better to obey him than to offer any sacrifice made to him I believe this is how we should honor him through our obedience.
  • Joel on Genesis 10
    Where in the Bible does it refer to God taking home a wayward or rebellious child earlier than he had planned for that person to live on the earth?
  • Kathryn on Psalms 103
    Psalms 103 let's us know that there is nothing that can withstand the power of God, it also humbles us reminding us that we are "dust" . He is all knowing and powerful.
  • S Benton - in Reply on John 2
    The scripture reference on my last comment is in Luke 18:19
  • S Benton on Genesis 10
    Jesus asked, Why callest thou me good? meaning, if you're going to call me good, you Must call me God, for "there is none good but God."
    It was PROPHESY. It all happened as the Godhead Wrote it. Through Jesus's suffering He set the new Covenant in motion until the mystery be completed: UNTIL the fullness of the Gentiles.

    Romans 11:11 ...have they stumbled that

    they should fall? God forbid: but rather

    through their fall...salvation is come

    unto the Gentiles (WHY?) for to provoke

    them (the JEWS) to jealousy.

    For if the casting away from them be THE

    RECONCILING of the WORLD...what shall be

    the the RECEIVING of them be...but life

    from the dead?


    Verse 27: For this is MY COVENANT unto them (Israel) , WHEN I shall take away their sins.

    Verse 28: As concerning the gospel (birth, life, death, resurrection of Jesus) They are enemies (Israeli Pharisees ) FOR YOUR SAKES (Gentiles).

    BUT as touching the ELECTION (Gentiles), they are BELOVED for the fathers sakes Deuteronomy 9:5.

    Israelis are OUT now, and Gentiles are IN. This is the Word of God! It is an unfulfilled prophesy; in progress of being fulfilled.

    Romans 11:8. According as it is written, God hath given them a SPIRIT OF SLUMBER

    Eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear, UNTO THIS DAY.

    Romans 14:11-12. Everyone is going to give an account for every idle word that has come out of the mouth. You are opposing yourself! Opposing Gods written plan for Gentiles and Jews. No born again person can call Jesus accursed; or His Father.

    God is dealing with Israel. He doesn't need Gentile help. We should be grateful, because us Gentiles are being blessed huge because God has Israel off in a corner wondering why so many Gentiles are in love with Jesus, and follow him around like a flock of sheep.

    BUT Soon, God is going to bring them in to Himself again. Then He will have ONE whole flock. That's His recorded purpose.

    I do not see scripture that supports daily RAILING against the blind and deafened Jews of today Israel. Let God do as he said.
  • Jesse - in Reply on Revelation 21:3

    From what I understand, the Lord will will come for His church before the tribulation period, and we will be with Him in heaven while those people on this earth who have rejected Him will go through a judgment period that very few will survive.
  • Chris - in Reply on Matthew 7:1
    Louie, No, the sins of your grandparents nor of your parents or anyone else, can ever be held against you. We are all accountable to God for the sins we commit.

    "The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him. But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die." Ezekiel 18:20,21.

    And even though "the wages of sin is death" (Romans 6:23), "the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."

    We are all guilty before God for our own sins & it's only by our faith in His Son, Jesus Christ, that we can be saved from its awful penalty. However, the genes that are passed on to us from our parents, etc. can include characteristics that are not always wholesome. Other times, it's not just the genes, but also what children see & learn from their parents that cause them to err later in life. What a great responsibility parents have: they can't remove the genes they pass on, but they can demonstrate good living & teach their children to do so, especially according to the Bible. Yet, we still have to deal with our weaknesses & failings in these areas, in the Power that Christ has given us.
  • ALBERT LIBOYIo on Zechariah 8
    Only Jesus,is the way the truth to eternity,let's believe his works.
  • Chris - in Reply on Revelation 12:14
    It seems that "from the face of the serpent" is being understood as being nourished "by" the face of the serpent. Whereas, it should be understood as "away from (Gk. apo) the face of the serpent".
  • Chris - in Reply on Genesis 10
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    So, it seems that the word "he" is the critical word in verse 27, rather than the rest of that verse, as the substance of the verse can go either way if the "he" is not agreed on. With discussions I've had in the past, my mind, once securely closed, has opened to the possibility that "he" could indeed be referred to Jesus, but then I ask: is the "ceasing of the sacrifices/oblations" done by His Sacrifice or by the work of the Anti-Christ, seeing that the word "cause" implies a causative action rather than a resulting action?

    Jesus didn't physically go out there & destroy their altars (there weren't any at that time), it was done by virtue of His Sacrifice negating its value & currency. But the one who would physically cause its cessation could be seen as the wicked one. Of course, we know that Israel has not restarted the sacrificial system even though it has been under pressure to do so, but it could well be that Anti-Christ's initial concessions to Israel, will include reinstalling the sacrificial system, that which he will later demand an end to. And, I did read your other good comments to this end, but as said, the debate on the "he" is not just because of my ignorance, but some very fine scholars who see it as Jesus & others, as Anti-Christ.

    So, as much as I would like to read your other 'pages', I think that this verse 27 is the point of contention that has to be surmounted. As well, I'll be out of 'circulation' for a month as I will be travelling on holidays in remote areas of Australia (without phone/internet). Though Robert, rest assured, I do value your comments immensely & thank you for them, as they give me good things to 'chew' on & only the Lord can confirm these things to our hearts. I ever wait on Him for His Light & He does indeed use folk like you to help bring this about.
  • Chris - in Reply on Genesis 10
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    I began drafting a response to your previous comments yesterday, but got bogged down with trying to calculate the weeks (of years) in Daniel 9. I got up to the 62 weeks (crucifixion) but just couldn't get past that with the coming of Titus & the destruction. So, I will leave it at that as my time could better be spent on dwelling on other, clearer matters. Though, to comment on the following:

    You: "But none of that is in the actual verse. it is being read into the verse. that is what a presupposition is."

    Me: True, the Anti-Christ is not directly shown there in v 27, however, I understand that 2 Thes 2:3,4: "and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God." This is the passage that is commonly referred to as a reference to the Daniel 9:27 prophecy about him.

    Concerning the Covenant made in verse 27 (referring to your most recent comments):

    I understand how this verse is understood when the "he" is seen as Jesus (i.e. it is Jesus Who confirms the Covenant (that which was first made in Genesis); it is Jesus through His Sacrifice that cancels out the need for sacrifices/oblations, etc.; & this will be the case until He returns).

    Then looking at the same verse with 'other' eyes: i.e. it is Anti-Christ confirming the Covenant (for the 7 years) that he first makes with Israel so as to garner their support for his position & work of peace on their behalf; & after 3 1/2 yrs, he breaks his (the) covenant (= support/promises) & then proceeds to desecrate the Jewish temple (which we assume will be re-built again), put a stop to the sacrifices & in so doing sits in the temple as God demanding worship. And of course, the rest of that account is seen in his treatment of the Jews, his powers, obedience to him by all, death/martyrdom, etc.
  • Robert Mann on 1 Corinthians 15
    I hope that Christians are not expecting Jesus' 2nd Coming but instead expecting the Rapture. 1 Corinthians 15-51. The bible says that Christ will return with his bride (The Church) at his 2nd coming because we (The Church) left before in the RAPTURE. If you miss the RAPTURE you are here to be judged.
  • Jason hall on Luke 7:23
    What does Ecclesiastes 10:7 mean
  • JOHN Wells Jr on Luke 7:23
    is the wife to listen to the husband if he is a christian
  • Greg - in Reply on James 1
    Chris, Enoch Calendar

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    For example, 1 En 1 is a midrash of Deuteronomy 33. The content, particularly detailed descriptions of fallen angels, would also be a reason for rejection from the Hebrew canon at this period - as illustrated by the comments of Trypho the Jew when debating with Justin Martyr on this subject:

    "The utterances of God are holy, but your expositions are mere contrivances, as is plain from what has been explained by you; nay, even blasphemies, for you assert that angels sinned and revolted from God.

    Christianity- By the 4th century, the Book of Enoch was mostly excluded from Christian canons.

    The Dead Sea Scrolls are not the Apocryphal books.

    From all that I know and read concerning the DSS, they only reinforce (and in some cases shed new light on) the various Books of the Bible.
  • Greg - in Reply on James 1
    Chris, Book of Enoch worth taking a look at.

    The 7th day Sabbath that I try to follow generally concerns 1) No servile work 2) not buying or selling / 3) resting 4) doing good works 5) honoring God.

    3 and 4 I try to do every day.

    I realize that I could be totally wrong about all of this. I don't think that God will fault me for trying though?

    I am in the favorable position of being able to adjust for the (generally) yearly shift of the 7th day due to the Gregorian calendar.

    Just as our birth day shifts every year, why would people think that the 7th day or the 1st day or whatever day they

    follow would not change also?

    More information concerning the Book of Enoch:

    Paraphrased from Wikipedia:

    The Book of Enoch covers topics on the solar priestly calendar, origins of demons and giants, why some angels fell from heaven, an explanation of why the Great Flood was morally necessary, and the thousand-year reign of the Messiah.

    The Book of Jude speaks of these fallen angels and Enoch is mentioned as having prophesied against them (Jude 1: 14-15).

    Various Aramaic fragments found in the Dead Sea Scrolls, as well as Koine Greek and Latin fragments, were proof that The Book of Enoch was known by Jews and early Christians.

    This book was also quoted by some 1st and 2nd century authors as in the Testaments of the Twelve Patriarchs.

    Judaism- Although evidently widely known during the development of the Hebrew Bible canon, Enoch was excluded from both the formal canon of the Tanakh and the typical canon of the Septuagint and therefore, also from the writings known today as the Deuterocanon.

    One possible reason for Jewish rejection of the book might be the textual nature of several early sections of the book that make use of material from the Torah;
  • Carleton - in Reply on John 14
    Thank you for your thought. Worldly politics will have no effect on the Lord of the Harvest's return. The Lord's return will be sudden while some virgins are securing their oil supplies.

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