Bible Discussion PAGE 254

  • Mishael - in Reply on Deuteronomy 30
    If you read a little wider, people can produce spiritual children. Search 'spirit of adoption'.

    Psalms 27:10, When my father and mother forsake me, then the Lord will take me up.

    Romans 8:15. For ye have not received the spirit of bondage, again, to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of Adoption, whereby we cry, ABBA FATHER. God becomes your Daddy, and your mother.

    If you need a hug, lift your arms and receive it. He's not mean, too busy, Absent; He has his eye on you.

    A lot of people don't preach this. America has often let the kids raise themselves. Facebook isn't going to nurture you with love and acceptance. Father God, brother Jesus, comforter Holy Spirit, WILL love you. Give your tragic life to them, and take into yourself, all the love you ever dreamed about.

    If you're single; no prospects in view yet... consider "adopting" some real kids, in a friendly way (not literal). Give a ride to Church, a students study Bible. Organize a movie night at the youth hall at church.

    Well we gotta keep them coronavirus safe. Little things mean a lot. It's called ministry.
  • Chris - in Reply on Matthew 24:38
    Page 2.

    2. Genesis 3:16 tells us that Cain went to dwell in the land of Nod. We're not told whether there was a city or people there. I'm using the same principles as I would for the above comment.

    3. The account of Job. Did Satan get God's permission to harm Job? I don't agree from the normal reading of that passage. It states that it was God who initiated the discourse with Satan, asking him, "Where have you been" & "Have a look at my perfect & upright man, Job". Satan questioned Job's uprightness & God said, "all that Job has is in your power, etc". I can't see that Satan got God's permission, why should he, Satan has free rein to influence each of our lives - but God sets the limits. And the same with A & E, no permission received from God. I just can't see how you are viewing these Scriptures; are you seeing something in the Word that I'm blinded to? Maybe, I need a fresh anointing in reading them.
  • Chris - in Reply on Matthew 24:38
    Page 1.

    Carlos, to your points:

    1. True, there are somethings to be taken literally & others, not. The examples you cited are great, for they make sense from the natural reading of them. However, in the specific account of creation, if it should not be taken literally (& remembering, all of Scripture hangs on these facts), then almost all subsequent Scripture would have to be modified, or at least, reinterpreted to conform to it. E.g. in your view in another comment: "the possibility that from those that existed at the time, Adam and Eve became the 1st to sin?" I note the word 'possibility', since if there were others that existed before or during the creation of A & E, the further possibility arises as to the possible dual race we could have at present (i.e. descendants from them), that Satan never got to & hence are sinless. Can we presume that such a pure race are walking amongst us now & are therefore never in need of the Cross? So, it is possible that such a situation could exist, but common sense, by considering all of Scripture, tells us that this is impossible & therefore, why unnecessarily muse over such things? So then, isn't wiser to just stay with what the Bible reveals & if it doesn't & raises questions in our minds, then we ought to disregard those thoughts, accepting that the limits of our knowledge have been reached? Yes, there is much we don't know or even understand, but what is clearly revealed should be enough to satisfy us for now.

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  • Robert Marino - in Reply on Matthew 24:38
    Hi Jesse,

    They were supposedly onfire people. So onfire that they (1844 incident; known as the Millerite Movement and this day was called The Great Disappointment) quit their jobs and sold their belongings. Didn't you ever hear of this? This is only 14 or so years AFTER pre-trib began being taught. Only God knows if some had a false conversion but I highly doubt they were all false converts. Pastor William Miller was a Baptist preacher.

    The Bible does teach that there will be a falling away (apostasy) in the end times. Jesus also gave warnings at the time of the 7 churches of Asia Minor that everyone wants to ignore especially the one where He talks about blotting names out. Here you go. You can reinvent the verse if you want. I am not. It says what it says and plain as day.

    Revelation 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

    Revelation 3:6 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

    It's what Jesus taught. I ignore what most pastors teach when they teach the opposite of what Jesus taught. This is a very clear verse and it is given to people who DID come to Christ and this warning was also given (verse 6) to the other churches. I don't try to reinterpret 'clear' verses. These churches DID exist. They existed in the first two centuries. They are not an extra 7 dispensations on the other 7 to 10 dispensations. Some pre-tribbers actually believe in 14 to 17 dispensations if they add these churches as extra dispensations. It still doesn't change what it says.

    Blessings!

    Some are already converting to Judaism in the Hebrew Roots Movement.

    We had the Emergent Church Movement rise up and really take hold over the last 15 years.

    Purpose Driven Movement.

    Seeker Friendly Movement.

    Just to name a few movements. Got any Pepto Bismol? If there are any more movements, I might need some.
  • Patty Tozi on Matthew 24:38
    We all need to learn to talk to the Lord in private about whatever concerns us.

    Sometimes our inner room becomes our war room as we fight our battles with sin, conflicts, decisions, and difficullties until we fully surrender in obedience to our God!!!
  • Patty Tozi on Matthew 24:38
    What do we do with our trials, heartaches, and burdens?

    Although you try to bear them on your own, Jesus has given us the solution in His passage from His Sermon on the Mount. He says to go into an inner room, close the door, and pray to our Heavenly Father.

    We all need to learn how to tslk
  • Patty Tozi on Matthew 24:38
    Years ago l had a dream how heaven would be. then four of my people l cared for, died within 2 months- all of a sudden. now the days of corvid 99 is here, and only god knows what will be. it will get to be a silent killer of all ages. the start of a ending of people and life we once took for granite. so l wrote this for my 4 people as they waited for the lord to take them- from my dream:

    " i had a glimpse of heaven-"

    twas in a dream one night-

    such splender overwhelmed me-

    it was a beautiful sight:

    i dreamed i saw the angels-

    and heard them sweetly sing-

    and saints had gathered all around-

    to worship christ the king:

    and then i saw my loved ones-

    who entered heaven's door-

    and they appeared so joyful-

    that i hoped to see much more:

    and then 1 day- i remembered- what i had dreamed-

    for i now stood at heaven's door-

    what a beautiful sight to me:

    :
  • Robert Marino - in Reply on Matthew 24:38
    This is our real family, not our earthly blood family. That is how Jesus taught it. Always compare what anyone says with the scriptures and never forget the three rules to proper Biblical exegesis- CONTEXT., CONTEXT. CONTEXT. I wish someone had taken me under their wing my first ten years.
  • Jim on Psalms 55
    No, wonder David said; I looked to the hill which cometh my help, my help cometh from the Lord. After reading Psalms 55. How death was all around him, and he couldn't trust anyone: so he hid himself and prayed too the Lord for help. Even his own son took it upon himself with a few people he convinced that he should be king. What doe a king do?. He pray and when God delivered him. He found out that he had more friends and people that cared about him then he could ever image.God can do anything but fail.
  • Bob Hilt - in Reply on Psalms 148:2
    Vicki here you go: Matthew 13:57 And they were offended in him. But Jesus said unto them, A prophet is not without honour, save in his own country, and in his own house.

    Mark Chapter 6:2 And when the sabbath day was come, he began to teach in the synagogue: and many hearing [him] were astonished, saying, From whence hath this [man] these things? and what wisdom [is] this which is given unto him, that even such mighty works are wrought by his hands?

    3 Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, the brother of James, and Joses, and of Juda, and Simon? and are not his sisters here with us? And they were offended at him.

    4 But Jesus said unto them, A prophet is not without honour, but in his own country, and among his own kin, and in his own house.

    5 And he could there do no mighty work, save that he laid his hands upon a few sick folk, and healed [them].
  • Cole - in Reply on Psalms 70
    She isn't my wife, we were close that way though. :(

    I kept messing up over and over...

    I seek to have another chance.

    The pain I feel is never-ending.
  • Jesse - in Reply on Revelation 16:3
    Jmonyae,

    I would read through 1 John Chapter 5. John speaks about the doctrine of salvation. He brings together in summary form all that he has talked about in order to give assurance to those who believe, but also to give caution to those who think they are saved but they're really not. But this is a great chapter to read. I would encourage you to read the entire chapter. But look Verse 13. "These things have I written unto you that believe upon the name of the Son of God; so that you might know that you have eternal life, and that you may believe on the Son of God." So John is telling them, I'm giving you proof so that you can know assuredly that you belong to Christ.

    In 2 Corinthians 13:5, Paul says "Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?" So we are to examine ourselves, whether we be in the faith;

    That's not a religious term about the faith. The word faith in the New Testament is a word speaks of literally being under the persuasion of God's Spirit. That's what the word faith means. It means persuasion. So are you under the influence of God's Spirit? Are you in the faith?

    Secondly, we are to prove our own selves. We do our own testing, not of somebody else, but we test ourselves. And then Paul presents the criteria. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except you be reprobates? Reprobate means rejected.

    The criteria is that Christ be in you. It doesn't say anything about the right and wrong doctrine, or what church you go to or don't go to. Is Christ in you? Have you experienced a Spiritual birth and now Christ lives in you?

    Paul said in Colossians that Christ in you is the hope of glory. You have no other hope other than Christ in you. If Christ is not in you, you have no hope. If Christ is in you, you will have a hunger and desire for Him because His Spirit will give you that hunger to continue on.
  • Robert Ryan Olea on Genesis 4
    If only cain and able were on earth how did cain know his wife? sounds like a fairytale.
  • Bob Hilt - in Reply on Matthew 24:38
    Revelation 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not BLOT blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

    this seems plain that our names can be blotted out of the book of life. If it was already written in, it can be blotted out it seems.

    Psalms 69:28 Let them be blotted out of the book of the living, and not be written with the righteous.

    Moses pled for the Children of Israel in this instance

    Exodus Chapter 32:30 And it came to pass on the morrow, that Moses said unto the people, Ye have sinned a great sin: and now I will go up unto the LORD; peradventure I shall make an atonement for your sin.

    31 And Moses returned unto the LORD, and said, Oh, this people have sinned a great sin, and have made them gods of gold.

    32 Yet now, if thou wilt forgive their sin--; and if not, blot me, I pray thee, out of thy book which thou hast written.

    33 And the LORD said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book.

    Revelation 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are NOT not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

    Seems not all names are in the book of life.

    Revelation 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not BLOT blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.
  • Neil - in Reply on Deuteronomy 30
    Explain the Bible term

    Double minded

    How do we become Dm?
  • Neil - in Reply on Deuteronomy 30
    If seeds have only natural power to reproduce, and not supernatural, how can all the singles out there produce anything if they have no children? Offspring is not the only way to interpret seed
  • Vicki on Psalms 148:2
    Where in the New Testament does it speak of how even Jesus' own family did not receive him as Savior, while he was living?
  • Mishael - in Reply on Matthew 24:38
    I can honestly say that I love everyone in this room. It's like a Real family. You all work very hard to help others understand the scripture and the history. I've been googling and reading there too; although I view it with reservation unless someone with more Bible experience shows it to be accurate. Thanks for your hard work.
  • Jesse - in Reply on Genesis 5:24
    Melva,

    That is a great question. From my understanding, Enoch was taken by God to be with Him in heaven. But John 3:13 says no man hath ascended up to heaven, but He that came down from heaven. I have never heard your question asked before but I can see where it might be raised (No pun intended). In John 3:13, Jesus is giving Nicodemus an answer to his question in Verse 9.

    Jesus is saying that I am the only one that has come down from heaven, but if I tell you earthly things and you don't get it, and you are the master teacher, how will you understand spiritual things? Nicodemus should have associated the Lord's teaching to Ezekiel Chapter 37 Verses 1 through 15.

    This is where God takes the prophet and He shows them a valley of dead bones and says this is Israel. Spiritually dead! And He says to him, prophecy over these bones that flesh would come on them. And the bones came together and the flesh came on the bones. And then He says prophecy to the wind that the wind would blow on them and breathe life in them. And he prophesies and the wind blows and they are filled with life and spirit.

    And so God's promise to His people Israel is that you are spiritually dead until my Spirit gives you life. But right now you are spiritually dead! And He tells Nicodemus, you should have known what I was talking about. How can you be the master teacher in Israel and you don't know anything about being born from above? You don't know anything about the wind blowing, and how the spirit moves!

    I guess if I were trying to see the difference between Enoch being taken to heaven, and Christ ascending into heaven, I would look at as God took Enoch. Enoch did not ascend up to heaven on his own. But Jesus did. He rose from the grave Himself. And He ascended up to heaven Himself. No man can do that, not even Enoch.
  • Robert Marino - in Reply on Matthew 24:38
    Amen. All good brother. Stay in the Word. EAt. Eat. Eat. Pray while eating. I've been in many churches where very little spiritual food was given. Than God we have His Word in our hands today. Never take that lightly. I still don't know why you thought I didn't like or love you. I do. Get the gospel out while we can. I think things are going to get tough.

    God Bless!
  • Jesse - in Reply on Isaiah 66
    Betty,

    Luke says in Acts 1:12, "Then returned they unto Jerusalem from the mount called Olivet, which is from Jerusalem a Sabbath day's journey." A Sabbath day's journey is approximately 1,000 yards. On the Sabbath day, you can walk anywhere you want to, but you cannot exceed 1,000 yards during the day. If you do, you have to sit down right where you are at. You cannot go beyond 1,000 yards or you have broken the Sabbath day. That was for the Jews.

    That's why Jesus said "Pray that your flight out of Israel, during the tribulation, is not on the Sabbath day. Why not on the Sabbath day? It's because they are going to be bound by the law, and all of a sudden you see all these Jewish people sitting outside of town on the road saying "We can't go anywhere. We are not allowed to go over 1,000 yards!"
  • Jesse - in Reply on Matthew 24:38
    Bob,

    Thanks for that piece of scripture. Part of my question was about a person losing their soul, not falling away from the faith. Is 2 Timothy 2:16-18 talking about someone losing their soul for believing something that is false (after) being born of God's Spirit?
  • Bazuula Enock Aaron - in Reply on 1 Maccabees 1
    *ATTENTION.*

    Greetings to you!

    *The two God's promised Witnesses, Prophets and Forerunners are out on Earth's surface* .

    *II MOSES GODFREY "MOSES* "

    *BAZUULA HARRIET "ELIJAH")*

    Understand God's Visitation in your days.

    ( *Revelation 11:3, Mathew 23:38, Isaiah 18:3, Malachi 3:1)*

    Run swiftly to them so that u may save ur life from God's anger, wrath and judgement which has come.

    *(Zachariah1:3)*

    Run away from the Evil religious ruling spirit of Jezebel.

    ( *Isaiah 60:2)*



    Please, please let all ur friends, workmates, church mates, Neighbors and your beloved family know and understand the Visitation.



    *Do Ur assignment as I have did mine when we are still in this 1st phase of Calling and warning people before the worst part comes in where their will be no mercy to those all who rejected the two witnesses of God.*

    * THE NATION OF UGANDA*

    I speak to you Oh *Uganda* "My chosen".......

    That open the door for me to get out and take me out.

    For those who have a bride in their house are the one who are supposed to open the doors for Him.

    Listen to me and do such to have life in me.

    Kiss and bless the son not to grief anger nor fall sad, lest to leave you and you all go astray { *Scatter &* *Perish* }.

    Know and understand that *I am* *the One* and no any other after Me.

    Therefore take me out, present Me now everywhere and glorify Me in all.

    Forward all your power and authority to me and give me thy right hand and arise me to nations.

    This is only the latter End time *church*, listen to it, follow it and *rest* in it.

    Behold, I came with it, and it is *mine* not any body else *( I AM THE LORD WHO SPEAKS UNTO YOU, SO LISTEN TO ME IN ALL*)

    I am the One who came and I have come *(Now)*

    I am a Father to all nations.

    I am the fulfiller of all *God's spoken a
  • Betty Godwin on Isaiah 66
    Why does Luke write " a Sabbat s day journey away' asopposed to any day'sJourney
  • Jesse - in Reply on Isaiah 66
    (Part 2 of 2)

    What an awesome provision for God's people! There are several places in scripture that tell us that the things of God are past finding out as far as human research goes. In 1 Corinthians Chapter 2, Paul says that only the Spirit of God reveals the things of God. He's the only one that knows the things of God. Again it is beyond human research ability to research spiritual things. But when God sends His Spirit, He guides us into all truth!

    Again, there is no place in John Chapter 16 that speaks about the events of Christ's second coming, only the coming of His Spirit. I cannot agree with you that Paul was a liar or that he fabricated any truth. If you believe that Paul was a liar or fabricated truth, do you trust in Paul's teachings at all?
  • Jesse - in Reply on Isaiah 66
    (Part 1 of 2)

    Yasser,

    There is nothing in John Chapter 16 that describes any of the events that take place at Christ's second coming. I am not sure how you come to that conclusion. All throughout Chapter 16, and in fact, beginning at Chapter 15 Verse 26, Jesus is talking about the Holy Spirit coming, not His second coming. He uses the word "Comforter" in Chapter 15, and then again in Chapter 16. This word comforter refers to the Holy Spirit coming, not Jesus' second coming. John 16:8 speaks of the comforter (Holy Spirit) coming.

    In Verse 8, Jesus says "And when he is come, he will reprove, and it is literally the word convict. It is a judiciary term that means to present evidence to bring about conviction. That is what the Holy Spirit does. That is his ministry. He will convict the world of three things. He will convict the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: Jesus is not talking about His second coming. He's talking about sending His Spirit.

    You ask that "If Jesus has something to say then why he didn't tell his disciples before his ascension? Well, if you look at Verse 12, Jesus says "I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. The word "cannot" is the word ability. You don't have the ability to bear what I'm about to tell you. And then you go down to Verse 13, and Jesus says, Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

    Jesus is telling them that the Holy Spirit will reveal things that will later come. You see, Jesus knows our hearts. He knows what truth we can and cannot handle, and He only reveals to us the things He knows we are ready for. He knew that His disciples would not be able to handle what He had to say to them.
  • CARLOS RAMIREZ TREVINO - in Reply on Matthew 24:38
    Chris and all.

    My take is that Adam and Eve, just like Cain and Abel, were not the only people in existence at the time. Adam and Eve, and this is my personal assumption, were the two people that eventually corrupted after God created man.

    God Created mankind, expressed as Adam and Eve. We are told how God created them from the earth. They procreated, as instructed and began to populate the earth. So, WHAT IF, it was at some point in pre-history, that Adam and Eve disobeyed God? (Nothing to do with prehistoric Neanderthals).

    The Genesis record says God walked in the Garden with them. Can that mean God was known to mankind, somehow, but not necessarily in person? Is it possible that from those that existed at the time, Adam and Eve became the 1st to sin?

    Genesis 1-3 is not a detailed chronology of everything that happened in History. Is it acceptable to believe Adam's age as recorded, is possibly a starting point to history, not an indication of his age since creation? That is, could Adam have lived a thousand years before he ate the fruit?

    And could his corruption, leading to disobedience have increased over time? Could it have been initiated by delving into divination and seeking guidance from spiritual beings (Idolatry)?

    Eve had to know what it meant to give birth, to feel the pain of childbearing. They had to have experienced death in animals, though not in mankind, to know the meaning of death and an increase of pain. Neither was a foreign concept to them.

    Your response on Christ's use of Parables and why He didn't go public after the Resurrection needs more thought.
  • Margaret Hope - in Reply on Genesis 9:3
    In Genesis 9:3 it is written that: "I have given them to you for food, just as I have given you grain and vegetables." But you must never eat any meat that still has the life blood in it. If a wild animal kills a human-being, that animal must die. I hope this answer helps you to better understand. God Bless!
  • CARLOS RAMIREZ TREVINO - in Reply on Matthew 24:38
    That is a moving testimony, Mishael. One important thing to keep in mind is that when we study, read and discuss the Bible, we should do it for edification. That is what you are doing. Sometimes people will disagree with our point of view, and that is alright. Take it all in stride. It is all for good. It is important that we talk and share our views. I am learning more now about what I didn't know or thought I knew, than ever. It is all thanks to conversations like this. Thank you.
  • CARLOS RAMIREZ TREVINO - in Reply on Matthew 24:38
    Chris, your defense of theories you have been taught highlight the issues we deal with.

    1. There is no "Free Will". But there is Choice.

    2. Adam and Eve did not have the capacity, even with a Free Will, to choose between Good and Evil. How could they? They hadn't eaten of the Fruit that imparted that knowledge. So, did they Choose, on the basis of Free Will, between Good and Evil? Or did they choose, on the basis of free will, to disobey God? What was their Choice? Between Right and Wrong? How could that be, if they didn't know the difference until After they ate the fruit?

    3. You haven't answered where the Bible tells us we have a Free Will. I won't tell you where it is found, so you can find it for yourself.

    4. Your response that you think we will have Free Will in heaven needs further exploration.

    5. You misunderstand. God didn't create man with a flaw or inherent sin. God created man whole. God created man to be what He wanted man to be. God created man perfectly suited to accomplish His purpose and for a body for Christ. But man was created limited in scope and ability. So was everything else. However, man was susceptible to decay, corruption, evil. Just like a perfect sheet of metal left out in the open rusts, man, exposed to the elements, rusted, decayed, sinned.

    Let me say it this way. Man was the Victim of the environment he was created in. He was the victim of the limits of creation. But that limit was imposed by God, for His Purpose.

    6. Evil did not exist before God or even at the same time as God. Evil is a consequence of creation. Evil does not exist on its own. Evil exists as a deterioration of what exists. Evil is a dependent quality, not a self-sustaining, pre-existent entity.

    7. Spirit, body and soul are all programmed by the one that created them.


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