Bible Discussion PAGE 23

  • Fred Scanlan - in Reply on Matthew 24:9
    The holy spirit can perform many missions in the preaching and teaching of Christs kingdom. When we give our self solely to him (the holy spirit), He will say and do what we could never imagine! It is impossible to serve in His kingdom without serving all three! The Father, The Son, and Holy Spirit. Thank you for response!
  • Fred Scanlan - in Reply on Matthew 24:9
    The law and gospel are what the church are not teaching. We cannot fulfill the law nor even begin to comprehend what it means to keep it . In your reply, you focus mostly on the law and sin that separates us from God the Father. No where did you mention Jesus Christ, or the love He has for all mankind, even those that believe on His name. I hope that even tho, you don't mention his name, this is what you want us to assume.Right? This same preaching is what is prevalent in the church today! Law with no gospel. The law is "a schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ". "Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal". As a matter of fact, correct me if I'm wrong,every bible verse you quoted does not mention the Lord Jesus Christ. The world wants nothing more than to take Christ out of the word of God. Even if it means using His own words to do it. This you have accomplished, while making me believe that I am justified before God the Father, without the deeds of our Lord Jesus Christ. Which is easier to say, thy sins be forgiven thee, or take up thy bed and walk?
  • Adam - in Reply on Luke 12:10
    Hello, I agree with everything you typed except your paragraph starting with "If we continue our old practice..." Your scripture references don't relate to the claim that Christians are suddenly never Christians- almost like pretending to erase history. Who are you to say a person isn't a Christian if they're following Christ and who are you to say they don't have freewill to turn and make bad choices later on in life. What's your criteria on what a Christian is? Judas betrayed Jesus and is probably in hell. Peter denied Jesus and he was a devout Christ-follower (a Christian), so is your belief that Peter was never a Christian, even though he literally was a Christ follower? There's an ex-Christian forum online that has 71,000+ members. Where they 'never' Christians, but they were and maybe they will be again. I know you didn't answer the previous questions and that's your own choice to not not consider another point of view or not. God bless.
  • Joshua - in Reply on Luke 12:10
    Hello Adam,

    Yes, I am a servant of the Lord Jesus Christ.

    The standard I only desire to use is God's Word, and this is the only standard anyone can use regarding the truth(John 17:17).

    Whether we, still imperfect in our sinful flesh, can "know" if we are saved or not is a good question. God tells us to examine ourselves, to see if we are in the faith(2 Cor. 13:5). We examine if we are walking in agreement with God.

    The whole of God's Word shows us that once we are born again, we become a new creature(2 Corinthians 5:17). We are to be dead to our old ways. Dead to the ways of the world, because the world is wicked(1 John 5:19). We are not to continue practicing sin(Titus 2:12, James 1:27).

    We will still sin because we are still imperfect. (Romans 7:23-24, Philippians 3:12, Ephesians 4:13). The difference is we do not continue PRACTICING sin, or WILLFULLY sinning. God does not judge by appearance, but by the TRUE state of our HEARTS(Luke 16:15, John 7:24).

    If we continue our old practice - our dead in our sins way of living AFTER we become saved, we were never saved/born again to begin with(Hebrews 10:26, Hebrews 10:38-39, 1 John 2:15, 2 Peter 2:20-22).

    We are still in the world but we are not of the world(John 17:16, Romans 12:2). On the contrary, we are tasked by the Lord to be examples & witnesses to the world(Philippians 2:15, Matthew 5:14, Romans 10:9-11, 13-15, 2 Corinthians 4:13).

    This, I believe, is the "key" to knowing whether or not we are truly saved. If we truly believe.
  • Sj - in Reply on Genesis 3:22
    Because of Satan's beguiling.

    Watch what you hear.

    John 16:33 These things have I spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.
  • Adam - in Reply on Matthew 26
    Earl, thanks for the reply. It appears you avoided the questions being asked and instead used a straw man fallacy. I think the Bible does not support the information you have provided here and I shared ample scriptures supporting the opposite view. The fact is it's easy to become a Christian, but continuing to follow Christ for the duration of ones life is another matter. There are many documented cases of real Christians choosing to leave the faith. The ex-Christian forum on Reddit has 71,000+ members. People claiming they weren't Christians in the first place might be a cop out to explain the reality they don't want to face- that Christians can indeed lose their salvation. Jesus preached to fear the Lord and put effort and strive to avoid sin. 'go and sin no more'- if people were incapable of sinning Jesus wouldn't have kept saying that to his followers over and over and kept warning them through parables over and over. So, I believe the scripture shows this is a big deception to believe that Christians can't sin. This is surely from satan, because he loves to get Christians to believe it's ok to sin, and they sure do. They do regularly, even intentionally, because they believed the lie that they can live in the world and follow the world instead of following Jesus with no consequences. One of us is wrong. I don't believe God has stripped anyone of their freewill when they follow Him. If this were true then it would have been impossible for an angel in heaven like satan to rebel and be cast out. This is important enough to pray and ask God what the real truth is. Salvation is very important. Jesus didn't die so people can abuse his grace and slap Him in the face while they follow the world in sin. Unfortuantely, some luke warm Christians will go to hell- God is the judge. Matthew 7:14. Grace covers Christians who actively follow Christ, not those who follow evil. And all, incuding Christians, have the ability to do evil. I know you disagree and think this is a lie, but this is all comes direct from the Bible. May God bless you.
  • Frankye charles on Matthew 24:9
    What is the Wilderness of Sin?
  • Earl Bowman - in Reply on Matthew 26
    Adam, I do not think you understand what it means to be born again. How did Christ not sin. He was born of God and the Father keep him from sinning. The Holy Ghost came upon Mary (woman) and she conceived and birthed a child (Christ, the first born Son). The Holy Ghost comes upon us (we are impregnated) and after gestation (spending hours in Gods word and being graced with the Holy Spirit) you (woman, Revelation 12:1) give birth to a child (us, the first fruit of Christ). The same Holy Ghost that Fathered Christ, Fathers you, the same God that kept Christ from sinning keeps you from sinning. I Timothy 2:14-15 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman (symbolic of us) being deceived was in the transgression. (vs) 15 Notwithstanding she (woman, us, the woman in Revelation 12:1) shall be saved in childbearing (new child of the Holy Ghost), if they (women,us) continue in the faith (in Christ) and charity (in Christ) and in Holiness (in Christ) with sobriety (in Christ).
  • Chris - in Reply on Psalms 72
    Thank you again Bro. Dan for your comments. And I agree that this discussion is not only beneficial to us & others but also very important in how we see ourselves before God & how God looks at us in Christ. In my understanding of the Scriptures, the Law & the Grace of God through His Son are clearly opposed to each other: "for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain." Galatians 2:21. That is, the given Law of old could never make a person righteous before God, thus any obedience to it to justify our standing or even to 'please' God in our efforts or satisfy our consciences, will always fail.

    Rather than rehash earlier presentations of my understanding, if I might direct you to a Site that I feel would more fully explain what I'm trying to write here in such a small space. As well, I would hope that the others (including Richard, Dibro & We don't need the 10 Commandments) who kindly offered their views would also take time to go through it. I thank them also for submitting their thoughts on this matter & apologize for not replying to each one. I know it's better etiquette to respond from one's heart & to each one who has taken the trouble to write, but I feel this Site will explain the matter more fully & make this already long thread on KJBO not more cumbersome.

    If Trent would allow my submitting this external Site, I would appreciate it.

    gci dot org/articles/should Christians keep the law of moses what about the ten commandments

    (you may need to reinsert these details in their Search Box).

    Blessings to you brother & to the other dear ones.
  • Born Again Believer in Christ Jesus Praise be the LORD on Leviticus 18:22
    Those are the words of the LORD, that homosexuality is ABOMINATION.

    Christian should instill homosexuals to repent of their sins, turn away from such abomination and accept the Lord Jesus Christ as their Personal Savior.

    We cannot tolerate homosexuality because it doesn't please the LORD.
  • D Robbins on Acts 4:12
    John 1:1, 1:14, and John 3:16

    summed up, Jesus is the Word, the Word is God, so Jesus is my Lord & my God, the Lord, God incarnate, died for me, because I believe in Him, I am saved!!! Praise the Lord God Almighty, who was, and is, and is to come!!! I look forward to the Blessed Hope & Appearing of Jesus Christ!!!

    Titus 2:13, 1 Corinthians 15:51-53, and I Thessolonians 4:13-18

    I invited Jesus Christ into my heart in 1984, and love him more today than ever, he's my 1st love!!!
  • Submitting to the Lord on Matthew 6:29
    Deuteronomy 28:1 - 28:68

    Blessings from submitting to the Lords known will, and

    The curses for not submitting.

    Use the Search Box to find all o the New Testament scriptures on the word, Submit.

    This is Not me trying to put you under the law. This is simply knowing how God feels about obedience...that brings with it, blessings.

    Michael.
  • Damien on 1 John 5:7
    Hello, the KJV and NKJV has 1 John 5:7 "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."

    Other bible translations left that out.

    So, which translation is correct??? I'm lost...REALLY LOST!
  • Norman R Cherry on Mark 1
    Mathew 3:17 reads, "And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased." In Genesis the writer indicates that God thinks that what He has accomplished is good, but in this verse of the book of Mathew and in no where else in the bible does God speak and say He is well pleased. Is that true?
  • Temple of God - in Reply on Psalms 33
    Hi there,

    In answer to your question, I can only say what I've learned so far. Firstly, that the spirit you were born with remains your spirit and stays with you. But when you become born again, your spirit gets 'upgraded', in that Jesus gets connected to it, and through Him (as He's got connections in High Places), the Holy Spirit (after you get baptised) also dwells with you in your spirit.

    So, having two spirits is actually:

    1. Your own spirit that is connected with Jesus and,

    2. The Holy Spirit.

    The goal of the believer is to strive to be the kind of person that God needs you to be, because once His Holy Spirit lives in you, your body and soul become His 'Temple' in a sense, so you need to get it to be holy. God knows that when we start out with Him we're a mess, but His grace is so great that He puts up with all that while we learn and renew our minds to His ways of being - learning to love and forgive etc.

    A person's spirit is eternal, so that should never perish after this life. There are only 3 options regarding what happens after this life for a person:

    Heaven, hell or reincarnation.

    Hell is reserved for the very wicked only.

    Your (good but unsaved) 'average Joe' would simply be reincarnated and get another shot at bettering himself in his next life, and hopefully finding salvation this time.

    If a person is born again and has a real relationship with God (they'll know it if they do!), they should be able to confidently believe they'll go to heaven as long as they've been faithful to God and have lived a life that's pleasing to Him, and have not rebelled against Him. God is a faithful God, and they'd experience that with Him. If He's faithful in this life, why wouldn't He be faithful in the next? It also says somewhere in the Old Testament that there is a special place in heaven which is guarded by God, in which are preserved the souls of His saved, and has gates - which Christians refer to as 'the pearly gates'. I believe this. See next comment.
  • Adam - in Reply on Matthew 26
    Earl, thanks for your response.

    If you believe it's impossible for a Christian to sin, does that mean tonight your or I can commit any sin we'd like and it wouldn't be sin? I'm a Christian and just like Paul have struggles of the flesh and part of me would really like to commit a fleshly sin tonight. Is your belief that I can proceed to do that and not be sinning? What if I do the same tomorrow and the next day for the rest of my life and add more sins too, do you truly believe there be no consequence? At what point does a Christian suddenly become 'was never a Christian'?

    Did you hover over any of the verses above and do you feel they are consistent with what you're saying here, like Hebrews 10:26?
  • Earl Bowman - in Reply on Matthew 26
    Adam, it is not possible for us (carnal man) to not sin. When you are born of the Spirit you no longer have a carnal mind, but you are given (graced) with the mind of Christ. This grace was bestowed on us by the power of the resurrection. Coming to this truth takes hundreds and hundreds of hours in Gods word and the gracing of the Holy Spirit. I John 3:8-9 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested (revealed), that he (Christ) might destroy the works of the devil (carnal mind). Whosoever is born of God doth not sin; because his (Christ) seed remaineth in him: and he (child of the resurrection, birthed by the woman: Revelation 12:1) cannot sin, because he is born of God. Philippians 2:5-6 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: (vs) 6 Who, being in the form (image of God) thought it not robbery to be equal with God: John 5:18 Therefore the Jews sought to kill him, because he not only healed on the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father (who is your Father) making himself equal with God. Does God sin. Ephesians: 4:13 Till we all come into the unity of the faith (Christ), and or the knowledge (mind of Christ) of the Son of God, unto a perfect (mature) man, unto the measure of the fulness of Christ:
  • Sharon on John 15
    Truly I am not worthy
  • D.J. - in Reply on Psalms 72
    Dibro,

    Right on!

    Well presented.

    The 10 Commandments are still fully in force.
  • D.J. - in Reply on Matthew 24:9
    Fred Scanlan,

    Well spoken.

    Love God, Love your neighbor

    We all need to find more love, tolerance, and patience in our lives for others.

    John 15:13
  • Sampson Suicide - in Reply on Zechariah 5
    Bob Hilt,

    Not sure if it is a fact that Sampson committed suicide.

    Sampson was captured, chained, and had his eyes plucked out.

    Could it not be said that he died in battle?
  • Patrick Monaghan on 2 Esdras 5:1
    Luke 18:8 poses the question ," When the Son of man comes, will he find on this earth anyone of faith?

    it seems to me that 2 Esdras 5:1 answers this question:

    "Nevertheless as coming the tokens, behold, the days shall come , that they which dwell upon earth shall be taken in great number, and the way of truth shall be hidden , and the land shall be barren of faith.

    it seems like that last days will be a very dark time. Not many people will have any type of faith of knowledge of biblical teachings. It seems to me , that when this occurs, the arrival of the son of man, Jesus, will be close at hand.

    there seems to be no comment on this scripture anywhere that I can find. I am speaking of Luke 18:8. what do you think or believe on this
  • Adam - in Reply on Luke 12:10
    Hi Joshua,

    Do you believe that Christians physically cannot deny Christ? If so, do you think that God denies them their freewill?

    Are you a Christian currently? If so, if you chose to deny Christ, would that mean you were somehow never a Christian?

    So, what do you think qualifies someone to be a Christian then? If someone prays and asks for forgiveness and says he believes Jesus is the son of God and is Lord and wants to follow him and is baptized is that enough?

    Christians turn from the faith and deny Christ too often, so all these Christians were never Christians? by the Bible's standards or someone else's? Can anyone be certain they're a true Christian then, because you don't know what you'll say or do in the future, right?
  • Joshua on Luke 12:10
    Look at the context of this verse. The one sin that won't be forgiven is to blaspheme against the Holy Spirit. Right before Jesus said this, he said that those who deny Him (Jesus) before men will be denied eternal life. To deny Jesus is to blaspheme against the Holy Spirit, and that sin will not be forgiven.

    If we deny Christ, we were never saved to begin with, and we are denied eternal life.

    "For whosoever will save his life shall lose it; but whosoever will lose his life for my sake, the same shall save it." Luke 9:24, Matthew 16.25, Mark 8:35, Luke 17:33
  • Andy G van den Berg on Matthew 26
    To FRED SCANLAN

    Also, please read Zechariah 7::11 and Hebrews 12:25.

    Seek, and ye shall find (Matthew 7:7).

    Greetings from Nova Scotia.

    Andy & Dianne van den Berg
  • Andy G van den Berg - in Reply on Matthew 24:9
    To FRED SCANLAN

    Please consider the following, as you refuse to accept God's 'Life' giving message (John 18:37).

    God unites His people (the believers) by His Spirit (John 4:24; Ephesians 4:3-6,13).



    Luke 9:56. For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them.

    Matthew 11:6. And blessed is he, whosoever shall not be offended in me (Isaiah 8:14; Matthew 13:57; 24:10; 26:31; Romans 9:32; 1 Cor. 1:23; 2:14; Galatians 5:11; 1 Peter 2:8).

    John 3:19. And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

    Luke 11:22. But when a stronger than he shall come upon him, and overcome him, he taketh from him all his armour wherein he trusted, and divideth his spoils.

    1 John 4:4-6. Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he than is in the world. They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them. We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

    Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice ( John 8:47; 18:37).

    You search the scriptures for in them ye think that ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life (John 5:39,40).

    He that is spiritual judgeth (discerneth) all things, yet he himself is judged by no man (1 Corinthians 2:15).

    There are two ways to be fooled. One is to believe what isn't true; the other is to refuse to believe what is true (Proverbs 1:7; 10:8,21; 12:15; 13:20; 14:9; 16:22; 18:2; 20:3; 29:11; Luke 18:10-14; Cor. 1:20; 2:14; 15:36).

    We regret that you are not able to understand any of the above (1 Corinthians 2:14; 2 Cor. 7:10). Notwithstanding: Seek and ye shall find (Matthew 7:7).

    Don't let your self-righteousness stand in the way of your salvation (Romans 10:2-4).

    In His Service.

    Andy & Dianne van den Berg
  • John Okoh on Revelation 1:18
    We as Christians don't die we only sleep in the lord. He gave back this His conquest of Satan to us.
  • Richard - in Reply on Psalms 72
    Great reply brother. I don't find your examples strange at all. They are perfect. Just as you stated that there are countless things that go on in our everyday lives. That the Ten Commandments may not shed light on. As bringing up examples or "parables", just as Jesus did, helps people understand which way is the right way. It truly is a help to other people that may not understand things in the Bible.

    One thing I wanted to share with you is last night it came to me to check a couple passages and put them to the Ten Commandments. In Mark 7:21-23 where Jesus is teaching about evil thoughts from within that "defile a person". The other is Galatians 5:19-23 where Paul states of the "works of the flesh" and "fruit if the Holy Spirit". With these two lists you can match up all the Ten Commandments. The seven of things to veer away from and the three things that God wants us to do. Just looking at those two list there is much more detailed information of things to repent from and things to seek after or focus on. Like you stated about many examples, there still are more things than just those written. Also just another guideline, to help us, from the Lord.

    It is so true that we will be faced with things, in this life, that no person has spoken of. Or is written about. It is also true that not everyone is to be Blessed to receive the Holy Spirit in this life. As the Comforter and teacher for us from the Lord. I still believe God to be in all of us as He knows everything about everyone. It is truly a great treasure, and gift, to have the Spirit of Christ reside in us. A wonderful teaching, as all are, of Jesus Christ is Luke 6:27-38. Also the simple but "golden" rule of "Do unto others as you would want them to do to you."

    Hope you have a great weekend Chris. God Bless my brother.
  • Alex on Matthew 26
    My Commants to Earl Bowman thank you and GBU
  • Adam - in Reply on Matthew 26
    Hi Earl,

    I believe the opposite of what you stated, because of what I see in the scriptures. God forgiving our sin and cleaning us is different than claiming someone cannot sin- that it's impossible. That's a logical leap into a whole different territory in which there's a mountain of scripture warning us against sin (including Christians) and no scriptures saying it's impossible for us to sin. It's also different than God 'not seeing sin' due to grace covering us as long as we're following Christ (a Christian). The old testament verses above do not mean someone cannot sin. If no one can sin, what's the point of asking for forgiveness? If no one can sin, what's the point of avoiding sin and striving to be perfect like Jesus said? If no one can sin, what's the point of spreading the gospel? If no one can sin, then you can ignore the Bible and just follow the world and do whatever sin you want with no consequence? The Bible already said that's not the case. Paul wrote about his fleshly struggles to sin- if there was no sin would it make sense that he would write that? If no sin, does that mean you can't blaspheme the holy spirit, either? Why would Jesus preach and challenge his followers with all these instructions if they couldn't sin and their actions were irrelevant. Satan is the father of lies and one of these teachings is truth and one is a lie. They are not both true. So, if satan was going to deceive someone is it likely they would deceive someone into being 'gooder' than they need to be or to be 'badder'- to convince them it's ok to sin, that you will surely 'not' be punished for it. To me that sounds like the same being behind the 1st temptation in the garden of eden- the father of lies is always not far away from any false teaching. Once saved, always saved is another teaching people often distort in order to justify sinning and blaspheming against God.

    Here's what the Bible actually says:

    James 2:17

    Romans 6:15

    Hebrews 10:26

    Romans 7:22

    Matthew 7:21

    John 14:15

    Matthew 5:13

    Matthew 7:26-27

    Ephesians 5:5-6

    Romans 11:19-23

    God bless...


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