Bible Discussion PAGE 201

  • Chris - in Reply on Psalms 49:12
    Hi Eri. Thank you for that great message & reminder to all of us to reset our focus, not on the Earthly, but Heavenly. Colossians 3:1,2. And to stir the Spirit's Fruit in us (Galatians 5:22-26) that we might be a sweet savour unto Him (2 Corinthians 2:15,16).
  • Mishael - in Reply on Ephesians 4:5
    My reason for being water baptized was a statement to God and the devil. I was an astrologer and I had no clue how much spiritual warfare was going to follow me.

    If we don't fill our house (me) with Gods Word; the demons will stop by frequently to see how it's going and if you're serious about following Jesus.

    I wanted the water baptism to show God I am serious and that I belong to Him, forever. And I wanted to show Satan that I love God and fully intend to follow Jesus.

    I was done going to church: and when the church would corporate pray for the demons to leave the service. Well those demons would say to me, you better get up and come with us. It was very disturbing.

    I believe for me that the baptism was a beautiful experience just between me and my Lord. It wasn't a lot of scripture that made me do it. I know the Holy Spirit was helping me get from just survive mode to conquering mode. I expect that Water baptism is different for everybody. It's really personal. We should consider what our statement is before going under the water and say it to God.
  • Chris - in Reply on Mark 13:18
    Ted, you have read the account of Lazarus in John 11. After Lazarus died, it was the custom to entomb the body, just as Jesus was after He was crucified. A tomb was a cave-like structure, whether natural or hewn into the side of a hill, so after burying the dead, a large stone was rolled at the opening to prevent people & animals from entering. The dead body was wrapped in grave clothes, which was an elaborate binding from head to foot, maybe to preserve something of the body form during the decaying process. Lazarus was in the tomb for four days already so decay had already begun. But when Jesus came to the opened tomb, he called for dead Lazarus to rise from the dead. So here we have a dead man just come to life, probably having difficulty breathing & with blinking eyes, so (in answer to your question), Jesus ordered that he be released from those binding grave clothes so he could get up & come to him & his family. And Lazarus was alive for the rest of his appointed days, though the Jewish leaders later on wanted to kill him & Jesus because of this miraculous act by Jesus. So Lazarus had to face the prospect of death again, which he finally did at old age. A man acquainted with dead, in very truth!
  • Mishael - in Reply on Luke 21
    I appreciate your kindness. There's so many scriptures that point at the rapture but no date. Closest thing I've found is following Israeli news about the 2-state thing and about their need to build new homes. I know the Land covenant is a sure deal. I just watch. I keep a finger on the Pulse earthquakes every day. There's so much daily virus news that no one is reporting the big ones.
  • Peter - in Reply on Acts 22
    I was notified that someone replied to my comment to you but I could not find any comment but I did notice this reply on testing for DNA. That's rather short sighted, ain't it. David No need of a test; save your hundred dollars; but don't embarrass yourself if u are an adult or teenager by asking your mother father or grand parents; but on the second thought; why not' they will probably not take you serious as seniors are probably wiser and of course they can tell you a lot; You can learn from them but they may laugh if you ask them that thing; and of course you know if they had your mom or dad when they were babies; they never really found them under rocks and or the stork never really delivered them or me, the doctor did; and so you know the rest, if you are over 5 as they even learn it in kindergarden, David, no need of testing unless u can test Adam and eve or their descents as they say that there were only 10000 left 6000 years ago and we all descended from them. I don't know what happened to the rest; probably wars or disaster or something, maybe pollution and ecological disaster and or a collapse of the economy seems to be most likely and maybe space men drawings in caves shows that; and that we were here maybe many times before.
  • Bob Hilt - in Reply on Revelation 11
    Bride of Christ. Elijah and possibly Moses or Enoch will be of the 2 witnesses in Revelation.

    Malachi 4:5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:

    then they get killed and this is proof of a pre trib rapture?

    Revelation Chapter 11:3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

    4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.

    5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.

    6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

    7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

    8 And their dead bodies [shall lie] in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. (our Lord Jesus was crucified in Jerusalem which is called spiritually SODOM)

    so murdered prophets is proof of a pre trib rapture?
  • Chris - in Reply on John 18
    Geoff, we certainly can't argue against the 'Truth' you have shared there. Thank you. Praise God for sending the One Who is "the Way, the Truth, and the Life".
  • Bob Hilt - in Reply on Luke 21
    Mishael - God himself has to bring ISRAEL to the land, not the godless antichrist United Nations, whose printer used to be called Lucifer Publishing and now is Lucis publishing.

    Jeremiah 30:3 For, lo, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will bring again the captivity of my people Israel and Judah, saith the LORD: and I will cause them to return to the land that I gave to their fathers, and they shall possess it.

    God promised Abraham he would be the Father of MANY NATIONS.

    Genesis 17:5 Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of MANY NATIONS have I made thee.

    If the "Jews" are all of Abraham, then where are all these MANY "jewish nations".

    There is only one and it was created by the antichrist United Nations and one is not many.

    Either God lied (impossible) or the Jews are not all of Israel.

    Where are the MANY JEWISH NATIONS of Abraham?

    Besides Judah and Israel were not the same people. God divorced Israel and not Judah. One tribe does not equal many

    Jeremiah 3:8 - And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also.

    Israel and Judah had wars and different kings with different capitols. Samaria was capitol of Israel.

    Galatians 3:29. - And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

    Does this mean that those in Christ ARE Abraham's seed?

    Micah 3:10 - They build up Zion with blood, and Jerusalem with iniquity.
  • R oseannn on Genesis 1:1
    Thank you we will read the scriptures every day
  • Chris - in Reply on Ephesians 4:5
    (from previous comment)

    d. does it make sense to baptize a person sometimes weeks, months, years down the road (of Christian living)? Does biblical baptism allow for this time scale? Does it not make it somewhat meaningless & only serves to satisfy obedience to the command to appease the conscience? Also, to whom is the command given? To the baptizer or baptizee? Yet, so often we see that the baptizee is the one requesting to be baptized? Very strange.

    e. and lastly, were Christ's apostles ever baptized in water, bearing in mind, that Paul was baptised, as he was not present with them at Pentecost? There is no mention of it, that I'm aware of, of any of the apostles speaking of their baptism in their letters, as important an event it is for any believer. Does the fact that they were baptized with the Holy Ghost only, exclude the necessity for water baptism? And there would be some today, who are baptized with the Spirit without the intervention of a preacher/evangelist.

    References cited: Acts 2:37-41; 8:26-39; 9:1-18; 10:44-48; 16:27-33. Given to highlight that churches for the most part, are not staying true to the biblical warrant & pattern. Baptism should be a part of a believer's salvation - today we detach it to suit our terms & make a solemn event almost meaningless. So just offering this up for your thoughts & discussion, if needed.
  • Chris - in Reply on Ephesians 4:5
    Leigh, you've given some pertinent Scriptures on Water Baptism. What I find that churches today fail in (& I of course, refer to full immersion baptism) are the following:

    a. why doesn't the person leading a lost soul to the Saviour, also baptize the person? I realize sometimes this would happen, but in most cases these days, the baptizee (one being baptized) is baptized by someone not connected to leading the soul to repentance. So who, from the biblical perspective & responsibility, should baptize the sinner? Is the Church fundamentally wrong in this, to allow another to baptize who was not a witness to the sinner's repentance?

    b. why does the Church usually require the baptism enquirer to undergo a series of studies and/or interviews to ensure he knows the step he is about to take? Is this biblical? If the Pastor or Elder is unsure about the authenticity of the believer's testimony, can he in all good conscience baptize him?

    c. why do we generally baptize within the Church building or property, when the other aspect of baptism is a public witness to a decision made & a changed life? I wouldn't say that fellow believers are true witnesses, rather they need to be the public or unsaved friends/relatives.

    (see ongoing comment)
  • Bride of Christ on Revelation 11
    Enoch was raptured (taken up) representing the Bride in the last days. The Bride of Christ (includes those sleeping) is raptured. They are chosen/predestined to leave before the tribulation. Those that reject God's Word or fail to live according to His Word (includes the church, who would rather follow their own beliefs instead of the true Word) will go through the tribulation. God has an elect group of Gentiles that He chose to use as representation of Himself to fulfill Revelation. Therefore, Moses and Elijah are the two witnesses who will preach to the 144,000 for 3 1/2 years... then killed. Why Moses/Elijah...not Enoch? The Jews are waiting for the fulfillment of this prophecy. Judaism
  • Jesse - in Reply on Luke 21
    Thanks for sharing this interesting post. It looks like the verses you are sharing are referring to the Mid-Tribulation time frame, the last 3-1/2 years of the 7 year tribulation period known as the Great Tribulation. I see this as the time God will spare His elect people, the Jews, from the events during those last 3-1/2 years of His wrath being poured out. Since there are 144,000 Jews who are sealed during the first 3-1/2 years, God is going to spare them from having to endure the final 3-1/2 years of His wrath, or "Shorten those days for them." You do make a great point that we cannot agree on the timing of the rapture, whether it is Pre/Mid/or Post Trib. That's been one of the most heated debates for quite some time. Again, thanks for sharing this.
  • Kat - in Reply on Romans 8:34

    About 10 years ago, I went through the same things you described. However, I was able to recognize that this was a side effect/ evil invitation because I had for the first time in my life just been prescribed antidepressants. The antidepressant that I was prescribed, actually given free samples of, caused all your mentioned symptoms.

    Not many days after taking the pills every day the symptoms began. Every night I had the worst nightmares of my life, dreaming that I was being chased by a serial killer and this would cause me to wake up sweating and panting rapidly.

    This would occur every single night without fail. I truly believe big pharma to be in coercion with satan. As well, whenever I saw or heard something sad happened, for instance someone dying, I had absolutely no emotions towards it. I was completely numb. No sympathy or empathy. Just nothingness. These symptoms really frightened me to the core. I knew this was not how God intended me to live.

    All my symptoms ended completely after discontinuing taking the antidepressants.

    Even if you aren't taking drugs prescribed or street drugs, this is obviously demonic attacks on you and you need to try to determine if there is something you can do to stop it like I was able to or if you need divine intervention through spiritual cleanliness. Stay in the faith.

    God and Jesus work through unwavering faith/ your belief. If you even second guess that God and Jesus cannot deliver you from evil, then you will not be delivered from it. But if you believe 100% and stay in the faith, your healing will come.

    I pray the best for you and your healing.
  • Jesse - in Reply on 1 Corinthians 5:11
    Amen! I think we could all benefit by taking an honest look back and asking ourselves "How did they conduct themselves?" and where did we go wrong? It sure seems like we've gotten ourselves in such a huge mess today!

    I was humored about the whole starting another church thing For a second, I thought "Hey, great idea," but then reality soon set in, and the thought over arguing over the color of the carpet, paint on the outside of the building, cushions on the pews, or no cushions, etc. etc. etc. Good grief!

    As always, thank you so much for your kind and encouraging words. God Bless!
  • Mishael - in Reply on John 5:4
    Angela: I Googled Revelation Time Charts. Lots and lots. Pick one from a preacher that you trust. Most likely each one varies from the other.

    A great teacher was Grant Jeffreys
  • Mishael - in Reply on Psalms 37
    Jesus said pray for your enemies. I used to pray for mean bosses and co-workers to be Promoted and guess what? Everyone of them was. :D
  • Mishael on Luke 21
    John the Baptist, baptized Jesus in water.

    Why should this be so heavily disputed? It is an act of obedience (ie. if it was good enough for Jesus it's good for me too)

    When you receive Jesus as your Lord and Savior(born again), you are Sealed by the Holy Spirit; baptized in the Spirit. He is so gentle that if you aren't sure about His gifts (can I say it? Tongues) you don't have to say anything; He already knows it. Most important HE IS YOUR TEACHER. He can't teach you very much if you do not study the Bible for yourself!!! How do you feel when you have to spoon feed baby food, year after year. Jesus wants us to rely heavily on Him. Receive the Holy Spirit, His Gifts, His Ministry, everything.

    One of the Psalms is totally about Jesus. Maybe someone here can remind me which one? All I know is that there are 150 Psalms. Psalms 91 is a real keeper. Psalms 51 is for repentance (I use it a lot)

    Goodnight beloveds
  • Kevin Mack on 1 John 5
    Last verse, made me think that someone should destroy, blow up, Moloch the horned owl idol statute in bohemian grove California. Ever notice that when a man of God in old testament times destroyed an Idol a great move of God fallowed. I believe if Moloch the idol was destroyed in bohemian grove California, the great evil clutches of Satanists all across our nation would be defeated, including coronavirus.
  • Mishael on Luke 21
    I'm just going to throw this in the comments about the time of the Rapture.

    This may be why we are told to be Looking for Jesus 2 Peter 3:10-12.

    Matthew 24:22 says...and except those days be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elects sake those days shall be shortened.

    Mark 13:20 says basically the same thing.

    That's why churches are not able to agree. And that's why I believe that's why Peter said what he did. Jesus said for us to keep our lamps filled with oil. Be ready now!

    It's not going to be until the two State solution for Israel ends up tossed out. The land is DEEDED to Israel and I don't think God is going to allow that to happen. Ya gotta read all those OT covenants. The land is needed for The Return: which is happening now.

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  • Jesse - in Reply on Ephesians 4:5

    Thank you for sharing your thoughts. I'm okay with agreeing that water baptism matters, just not for salvation.

    You are very wise for wanting to take God's word for what it says. I think deep down, that is the desire of us all. We all want to take the word for what it says. But what happens when we all take the same approach that you take and we take it for what it says and then we disagree with each other on what it says? What then? How would you explain that?
  • Mishael in Daniel chapter 9 - in Reply on Daniel 10
    In my Bible, at the top of the page, it lists the chapter speaking on: The Messiah Fortold.

    The portion you question goes from Daniel ch 9 verses 16-37 are talking about the destruction of the temple and the end of sacrifices. Jesus is our sacrifice.

    Chapters 10-12 begins the prophesies concerning latter days, the Antichrist 11:37
  • Jesse - in Reply on Ephesians 4:5
    Paul, please believe me when I say I'm not trying to be rude, but I only asked four simple questions. If you are only going to answer one at a time, and each answer comes with another question for me to answer, it could take several days to answer those four questions. You can please disregard the remainder of my questions as I am beginning to sense that I'm being played. Since I have failed to figure out exactly what you are looking for and my responses have not been sufficient enough, I hope someone here can do a better job helping you understand, if understanding is truly what you're seeking.
  • J39Londa - in Reply on Psalms 37
    I have been having problems in a new department that is hostile. I am the target and I laid awake two nights ago restless and prayed. God led me to Psalms 37 & 38 also! Today, I have peace with the situation know that God is with me through it all. Hang in there!
  • Angela Dick - in Reply on John 5:4
    Help me to understand the seals in revelation chapter 6
  • Geoff on John 18
    Pilate ask "what is truth?" The bible is written for all generations, not forgetting those yet to come. Jesus is being searched by Pilate for understanding on who he is. It's for different reasons than others may search for Jesus. So, when Pilate is asking what is truth, we too may be asking what is truth? Who is Jesus? What are the teachings and examples of Jesus? Asking for learning to be more like Jesus. As we read the bible aren't we searching for understanding and lesson to be learned? The point is, that's not just Pilate asking what is truth, but everyone seeking to know Jesus better asking. The truth is the light of God. "in Him was life, and life was the light of men." Jesus just prayed for us in the previous chapter to be within Jesus and within God, and for Jesus to be within us and God to be within us. So, everyone that hears or in our cases reads his voice is of the truth,we are within Jesus and God.We have the parables explained to us. Let us have ears to hear, eyes to see and hearts to receive. So, truth is God who never lies, and asking what is truth is also us trying to be closer to Truth and hear and know and understand Truth in our own Asking, Seeking and Knocking. And, to be filled with God, Jesus his son our savior and the Holy Spirit our guidance and comforter till Jesus comes again in which is he promised and never lies. And, that's the truth.
  • Trycina P Jackson-Thomas - in Reply on Psalms 91
    Thanks for sharing those were great words from!!
  • Chris - in Reply on 1 Corinthians 5:11
    Jesse, no misunderstanding at all. My remark, "However, this wasn't the case in the early Church..." was simply an affirmation to what you stated. Your points were very clear & appreciated. Thank you.

    Your understanding of the Mustard Seed parable was interesting though. I had never looked at it in that light, rather by the usual meaning: that the Word of God/Gospel being scattered/planted, & it would continue to spread out (grow) to the point of being a tree (i.e. a small tree/bush: wherein people that will become part of it, the Church) & the birds will lodge in its shadow (others will benefit by the Church, whether to hear God's message or receive comfort).

    But I can see your understanding in view of the infiltration of evil into the Church. Indeed, the Church has become quite deformed today & increasingly lacking in its original design & beauty. Even though some adaptation to today's world needs to be made, I do also question to how far we have removed ourselves from her original design & purpose. But how do we get back to it? Start (another) Church? God forbid! Maybe, just to have a quiet influence in her through careful & methodical Biblical teaching & prayer.
  • Ted Thomas on Mark 13:18
    In St. John 11, what did it mean when Jesus say loose him and let him go.
  • Chris - in Reply on John 5:4
    (from previous comment)

    And I could add another verse that could give more support to those who believe that our salvation could be lost: Hebrews 6:4-6. As you know, it refers to the 'believer' who falls away (turns his back to God) having once partook of Salvation, the Word & the Holy Spirit. When we examine this portion (& hopefully using the light given & not diluting with human logic), we understand that after the Hebrews writer rehearsed with the believers the things they had learned, he wanted them to go onto 'perfection' = greater maturity, leaving behind the "milk of the Word & to receive strong meat" (Hebrews 5:12).

    The writer adds verses 4-6 (I suggest, in parenthesis) reminding them of those who MAY have been a part of their company (this group's presence there is not certain, from the reading), who had received the Light from the Word, partaken of all that was taught to them or given to them & behaved nobly, but afterwards chose to reject all that they heard & received, they had placed themselves (by choice) in a position of no further opportunity for salvation (v 8). One might think that this understanding is an attempt to force the Eternal Security belief. However, the Writer goes on in v 9, "But beloved (the Hebrew Church), we are persuaded better things of you, & things that accompany salvation, though we thus speak": i.e. "I don't believe you are fake believers as those I've just described, but are genuine, who are maturing in the knowledge of Christ". My apologies for the paraphrase, but I want to emphasize my understanding here. True believers are secure in His Love & they can never be rejected by our Loving Father, nor can they ever choose to reject Him. And sadly, the Church is filled with both types, but it is the Lord Who remains our Judge of our hearts, not us. And sadder still, the Church often fails to preach Philippians 2:12, so many enter into a false sense of security believing that "saved now means I can do whatever I like". A damnable teaching.

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