Bible Discussion PAGE 192

  • Chris - in Reply on Genesis 6
    Sometimes we're given a little more information about those that lived between Adam & Noah, but not a lot which would require volumes more to include details of their lives, their marriages, exploits, religious observances or diversions, etc. The Bible does focus on the generations leading up to the birth of Jesus Christ so one can track His lineage all the way back to Adam: Luke 3:23-38.

    However, post Flood, God's chosen (Israel) came through the line of Shem, Noah's eldest son.
  • Chris - in Reply on Psalms 23
    There are four types of love (in Greek) given in the Bible which is more useful than the single word we have in English.

    a. Agape: this is the highest form of love that one can give or receive; it implies an everlasting, sacrificial love. 1 John 3:16, 4:8, 1 Corinthians 13:4-8 are few examples.

    b. Storge: the love that shows familial deep care & concern between members of a family. Obviously, agape can also be experienced in families, but storge is that general love that family care & devotion applies to. Storge is not a word seen in Scripture, though its opposite is seen, e.g. Romans 1:31 "astorgous" & 2 Timothy 3:3.

    c. Phileo: the love, warmth & affinity shared by close friends. John 11:36, Romans 12:10.

    d. Eros: a romantic, sexual love, made especially lovely within marriage. This word is not used in Scripture, though implied in the reading of Song of Solomon & warnings of unrestrained love (porneia) going beyond the bounds of morality.
  • Chris - in Reply on Deuteronomy 5
    Deuteronomy 22:5 was a command about this given to the children of Israel: "The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God."

    However, this Scripture does not give a warrant for us these days, as 'pants' are made for both genders & their acceptability in society. In those early days, this matter about clothing would have been more meaningful as they were not only gender-specific but more likely, amongst the heathen, the exchange of clothing in temple worship was common in honour of their god or goddess. So, Israel was not to imitate the heathen in this practise.
  • Rick - in Reply on Matthew 16
    Andy G van den Berg>> You sound a little arrogant with that comment. Do you really believe that you know all there is to know? The Bible actually tells you that neither you nor ANYBODY else does. NO man knoweth the times or the seasons. Who can know the heart of man, for it is wicked and evil above ALL else! The Bible also DEMANDS that you "try the Spirits" to see whether they be of God. The Bible also DEMANDS that you STUDY to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed. Yes, you need to question everything and ask God for guidance. BTW...God put Preachers on earth to help with that guidance. Maybe you should start with your Preacher if you have access to one. Right now, I don't. If not, seek discussion panels like this one, but you should NEVER bounce in here proclaiming to know everything and tell everyone that all the questions have already been answered...because they haven't; and even the Bible tells us this.
  • Chris - in Reply on Daniel 9
    Yes, Daniel 9:26 was accomplished at the coming of the Messiah and then in AD 70, Emperor Titus marched into Jerusalem & destroyed it. Verse 27 is also attributed to this invasion though some see it as a picture of the future Anti-Christ who comes to 'bring peace' in the middle east conflicts, yet mid-week through his reign breaks any covenant he makes with Israel, & indeed goes against her. From hereon, Israel's sorrows multiply.
  • Rick - in Reply on Matthew 16
    I'm came here today because, for the very first time of being a Christian for 50+ years, I saw the same thing in that scripture. I know the Catholic Church uses the "upon this rock I build my Church" to maintain that Peter was the first Pope, and no I am not Catholic; and no I do not believe that. However, Jesus DOES plainly say that whatsoever is loosed on earth by Peter (and supposedly the Church) will be loosed in HEAVEN. THAT means that if He said that adultery was good for the Church...then it was good for Heaven. Now I know you're going to rant and rave, but READ IT. That is EXACTLY the implication there; and as near as I can tell, there is no additional clarification to that statement--ANYWHERE. To be honest...I'll have to pray over this for the next 50+ years....
  • Chris - in Reply on Psalms 76
    A great commentary for these uncertain times. As wickedness becomes more rampant & the hearts of folk growing weak & fearful for the future, getting on our knees & weeping for our nations & those overcome, is the only resort we have. God sees what we don't see - He understands even when we are perplexed & in sorrow. Maybe He wants to see how much we really care for our countries & for one another in times such as these. Opportunities abound.

    And, welcome back Patty.
  • Chris - in Reply on Revelation 16
    Are you referring to Asherah? If so, this word is not the King James Bible, but in other Bible versions it is translated as 'Asherah'.

    Asherah (plural, Asherim) refers to 'grove' in the KJV, and these groves were essentially the trunk of a tree that was hewed down & then carved into an image for the purpose of worship that image. The origin of this was the Canaanite goddess Astarte whose image may have been carved into the trunk.

    You may remember that God's people, Israel, were commanded to go into the land of the Canaanites, Hivites, Hittites, etc. to conquer them & this land would be Israel's future possession. However, throughout the history of Israel, they started off well to serve the true & living God, but ended up taking on the worship of the idols of the heathen around them. You can look at these references: 1 Kings 16:33, 2 Kings 21:7, Exodus 34:13, Judges 6:25 for a few occurrences of this idolatry. So whenever you see 'groves' or 'asherah', they refer to idolatry that was practised by heathen nations & for which Israel often also did & suffered under God's Hand.
  • Adam - in Reply on Matthew 5
    Actually grace doesn't prevent you from sinning, but God's grace may forgive you for your sins you choose to commit. It's your own choice whether you sin or not. Your own choice whether you choose good or evil. God doesn't force you to be one or the other. God will never allow you to be tempted beyond what you can bear. God has not taken away anyone's freewill whether Christian or not. People often pretend like they have no self control and make up excuses to justify sins they enjoy. Jesus commanded us to sin no more so we should not. Even satan an angel had freewill to sin in heaven and will suffer the consequences.
  • Chris - in Reply on Revelation 16
    Richard, if we look at the Commandments of God, whether given only to Israel as they were, or in a general way to us, of knowing & attending to God's requirements, then there can be no fault found in the Law.

    The issue that comes up, whether known or unknown to the Law-keeper, is a theological one & in a very real way impacts on our view of the Scriptures & our view of our relationship to the Godhead. The Word declares that God's Law "is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good." (Romans 7:12) so there's nothing wrong with the Law & its eternal purity & accuracy. But the problem comes up when Jesus Christ appeared on the scene & gave His Life for mankind. Something happened to that Law - it didn't change in its character & condition - it changed in its 'use by date' hence, its usefulness. (Hebrews 8:6,7): "But now hath he (Jesus) obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises. For if that first covenant (the Law) had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second."

    And so, if the Law remained without fault in as far as giving us direction in life & keeping us acceptable to God, then there was no need for a Saviour - the Law was doing a good job, or was it? But that was never in God's Plan as the 'expiry date' had come when Jesus came: "For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh, that the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit." (Romans 8:3,4). So here we have the decision: are we righteous before God by keeping the letter of the Law, or by the righteousness of the Law which comes from the Spirit? If we choose to 'keep' the Law & tick off the list to show how we're doing in our eyes or before God, then our righteousness comes from the Law & not by faith in Jesus Christ.
  • Bendito Palavra - in Reply on Matthew 5
    You have voiced legitimate concerns, yet the law cannot keep us from sinning; the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ is necessary for that.
  • Trevor Stone - in Reply on Acts 1
    Thanks for the answer to my question re Theophilus. Interesting. Shalom Trevor
  • Chris - in Reply on Revelation 12
    David, it is true that Isaiah 14:4ff refers to the king of Babylon, yet it appears that his wickedness was likened to Lucifer (= the shining one). And that not only his rule, but also his destiny would be as assigned to Lucifer. The King probably entertained such thoughts in his heart also, as 'exalting himself above anyone else on Earth or in Heaven even to be equal to God', which he was considered during his rule. So the reference is to the king, but clear allusion to Lucifer, the spirit that controlled the king, both in his mental aspirations & wickedness as a regent.

    As further support, we have Ezekiel chapter 28, where a similar wicked prince is taken over the coals: the Prince of Tyrus. He too made similar claims (v2). Then Ezekiel took up a lamentation over him (vv 12-19) with words that clearly show that the prince could not possibly be the one that is only referred to here (vv 13-16) & that there is another one that perfectly fulfilled this, indeed was instrumental in the prince's behaviour. Words such as 'anointed cherub' & 'perfect in the ways from the day thou was created' can't be applied to the prince, rather strongly reveals Satan who was once pure & holy 'until iniquity was found in thee' who was the prince's influence.

    So the question comes back to your thoughts: 'if angels have no will of their own, how can they then sin'? Herein, our understanding ceases as we're not told how this can happen. But because it happened, we should not remove all references to Satan/Lucifer as one who was never in Heaven as a cherub. And, we're not required to be 'sinless to enter Heaven': we are still saved & sanctified sinners who will be renewed in every way, outfitted for life in Eternity. Only Jesus is seen as a sinless Man now glorified in Body & in worship, at His Father's right Hand.
  • Adam - in Reply on Matthew 5
    Jesus fulfilled the law and Christians who follow Jesus are subject to grace. Those who don't follow Jesus or are lukewarm and only trying to pretend to be a Christian to abuse grace to enjoy committing sin will not be saved and should be afraid of going to hell, in my opinion. Jesus did not abolish the law and if people love Jesus then they are to try hard to avoid sin. God hates sin. Just because someone has grace does not mean a Christian should enjoy committing evil and not worry about avoiding sin. Look at Paul's struggle. Look at Jesus's many many teachings to Christians to avoid sin. Some people are spreading lies claiming sin doesn't even exist. Some are saying its even ok for Christians to kill, commit adultery, fornication, blaphemy, lust, and all kinds of evil, with intention to enjoy it, and no intention to avoid it. The Bible already said that's untrue and sin the the devils temptations and lies we need to put our armor and stay strong to avoid. Romans 6:1. John 14:15
  • Dwight on Genesis 1:1
    Thanks. An odd word, but yes, I looked it up and you're absolutely right.
  • Chris - in Reply on Daniel 5:9
    Astonied does mean Astonished (surprised, wonder, amazed), & is an archaic word from the 14th Century.
  • Stanjett - in Reply on Exodus 2
  • Stanjett - in Reply on Genesis 37
    The antichrist.
  • Bendito Palavra - in Reply on Matthew 5
    Jesus fulfilled the law in his sinless life and obedience unto his sacrificial death on the cross as substitute for sinners, being then raised from the dead for our justification:

    Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life. For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous. (Romans 5:18-19)

    I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain. (Galatians 2:21)

    For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. (Romans 6:14)

    Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God. For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death. But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter. (Romans 7:4-6)

    Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law? For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman. But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise. Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar. For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children. But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all. (Galatians 4:21-26)

    Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage. (Galatians 5:1)

    Also, please read Romans 8.
  • COOL smith on Matthew 24:40
    How could there be a 3 days of darkness, and during the darkness, Christians will be raptured? And 2 in the field , one will be taken, the other left?
  • Cohen on Psalms 91:13
    He shall appoint viceroys. First puts you through some fire though. Sort out the rough edges.

    Powerful stuff :)
  • Jay - in Reply on Daniel 5:9
    danel 10:6 that how the most high look
  • Jay - in Reply on Matthew 6
    what you nationally
  • Johnnie mae thurman where on Psalms 23
    where is agape located in the bible? does agape means love? where are the differ types of love located in the bible.?
  • Linda on Genesis 6
    Why is there never any story told about the sons of God and the daughters of men in chapter 5 v 2 It seems to me that this should be expanded on determining Gods chosen people through Adam.
  • Kenero Brown on Matthew 6
    i want to lean more from this bible, And I want to start over And be baptize in the name of Jesus and the son of god...
  • Dwight Tuinstra on Daniel 5:9
    Is the last word of Daniel 5:9 really "astonied", or should it be "astonished"?
  • WESLEY J BARNARD - in Reply on Ephesians 6
    Sister Shelia,

    I would like to add something to your initial question: Is it not flesh and blood (people) that runs these principalities?

    The answer is yes. Satan the devil has a 'seed', in both the spiritual and physical realms. Remember the conversation Christ had with Satan in the wilderness. Satan displayed for Christ all the kingdoms of this world and offered them to Christ in exchange for one act of worship. He also stated that he has the authority to give it to whomever he chose.

    Thus, we should be aware that this world we live in today is ruled by Satan and he puts in positions of power whomever he chooses. Also he is called 'the god of this world'. (2 Corinthians 4:4) Therefore, the need for the 'spiritual armor' The Most High encourages us to wear for protection in this world - Satan's world.

    Now, your second question: So is it useless to pray for this world?

    The answer is yes and no. Yes, we constantly pray that those we have occasion to speak with might 'hear' our words and withdraw from this wicked world. As Christ said: We are no part of the world, as he was no part of the world. So yes we should pray that some might join us in turning our backs on this dying wicked world we live in today. It is doomed and will be replaced by the Kingdom of God. (Daniel 2:44)

    On the other hand, NO, we do not pray for Satan's continued dominion over the earth. He and his 'seed', visible and invisible must be removed to make room for the Kingdom we were taught by Christ to pray for. Amen.
  • Adam - in Reply on Revelation 12
    Thanks for sharing your thoughts, David, but I disagree with nearly everything you wrote. God bless.
  • David W Black - in Reply on Revelation 12
    You make some good points on fearing God and that there are those that do end up in Hell. However, Angels in Heaven did not sin, nor were the Angels of God cast out of Heaven. Satan was not in Heaven where God dwells and where those saved from sin spend eternity.

    Angels have no will of their own, making it impossible for them to sin. Satan was not an Angel of God that rebelled and was then cast out. Yes there are areas in the Bible that talk about Satan in heavenly places such as in Job, where Satan and God were discussing or debating, whatever we want to call this interaction in consideration of Job. But Satan was never in the Heaven talked about as in Heaven vs Hell, places souls spend eternity.

    The probable area that seems to indicate Satan was in Heaven and cast out is represented in Isaiah 14 starting in verse 4 "...take up this proverb against the king of Babylon..." Here the description of Babylon's king Nebuchadnezzar and his fall from power and being turned into a beast as depicted in Daniel 4 begins. Another depiction of what would happen to the king as told by 2 accounts in 2 different ways. In Isaiah 14:12 we read "How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!" Isaiah 14 is still talking about a man, the king of Babylon. In verse 16 it confirms that a man is still being discussed. "...Is this the man that made the earth to tremble..." Would you call Satan a man? Satan and Lucifer are not the same; Lucifer was an alternate name, a nickname maybe, of Nebuchadnezzar.

    If Angels in Heaven can sin, and you or I can be thrown out of Heaven, does it sound like such a great reward as we otherwise think it to be? Why are we required to be sinless to enter Heaven, yet after arriving we can sin again once there? Isn't part of the reward of gaining Heaven to not be in or around sin, sinful things, and the temptation to sin? Sin and the sinful cannot enter Heaven.

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