Bible Discussion PAGE 184

  • Bob Hilt - in Reply on Genesis 10
    Good question. is there a 1 1/2 coming and then a 2nd coming? Jesus told us how the order of events are as

    Jesus tells us plainly in Matthew 13:24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:

    25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed (weeds) tares among the wheat, and went his way.

    26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.

    27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?

    28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?

    29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.

    30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together FIRST first the TARES (WEEDS) tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn. (first the tares WEEDS get gathered, then wheat last) could it be any more plain than this?

    Matthew 13:36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.

    37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;

    38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;

    39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.

    40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
  • Bob Grove on 2 Timothy 3
    The verses 15,16,17, are so important to fully grasp . It been a foundational truth to me , I thank The lord for giving this truth to me , it has helped me trust Scripture more than anything else . Years ago and more today . Ask God for wisdom and understanding. And get it too . Doing brings blessings that last for eternity.
  • Adam - in Reply
    Congratulations Freda! May God bless you in this new career path.
  • Joe - in Reply on John 19
    Please read John 19 vs 26 - the disciple standing by whom he loved This disciple is John, the brother of James both of whom were of the 12 apostles. No where in the scriptures is John Mark referred to as the disciple whom Jesus loved.

    John Mark was a traveling companion of Paul and Barnabas; in fact it is generally thought that John Mark was related to Barnabas (as a cousin or nephew). Paul and Barnabas has a very big disagreement over John Mark causing them to part ways at Pamphylia.
  • Mishael - in Reply on Revelation 7:9
    All I know is that Jesus is your Advocate;

    Your attorney who speaks for you when Satan accuses you before the throne.

    1 John 2:1

    If the defendant is innocent; then he should win his case before God.

    I'm not an attorney.

    I'm going to note that you have not said if this person is a born again Christian. Are you a Christian? Meet with legal aid and find out if evidence can be reviewed. Write everything down.
  • CARLOS RAMIREZ TREVINO - in Reply on Genesis 10
    Chris, You state your points clearly, convincingly and succinctly. I wish I had that talent. And I wonder if saying the same thing a different way will move the conversation so those that read it will benefit. And although you grasp much of what I say, I wonder if there's more I haven't said or haven't said well. So I will outline my understanding below.

    Before God created anything, He Planned His creation

    Christ, as Savior, was included in that Plan

    The Plan also included Redemption

    The eradication of Wickedness (corruption)

    Vanquishing Death

    Establishing Eternal Perfection

    Creation of Mankind

    A Material creation as a parenthesis in eternity, With a beginning and an end

    At some point in time or before time Lucifer and other Angels rebelled

    The devil was banished to the Garden of Eden

    Man was created and placed in the Garden

    God Planted 2 Trees in the Garden before the Fall

    The devil tempted Adam and Eve

    They sinned and all mankind was imputed with the penalty

    Does the Bible say God knew Adam would to disobey Him? No. It implies He was not aware Genesis 3:11

    If God did know, why didn't He stop them? God had a Plan called His "Eternal Purpose" Ephesians 1:4-11, 3:11, Isaiah 46:10-11

    Why did God create man, knowing man would disobey? For Christ Colossians 1:16, Romans 11:36

    Why did God get rid of everyone but Noah? His Promise and Covenant Genesis 3:15

    Why did God create man in His image? To prepare a body for Christ. Psalms 40:6, Hebrews 10:5

    Why did God Plant the Tree of Life in the Garden, before the Fall? We don't know Genesis 3:22, 24

    Who is the Tree of Life? Jesus? Revelation 22:2

    Who is the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil? The devil Ezekiel 31, Matthew 12:33-34

    Were Adam and Eve given a choice on whether to eat from the Tree of KGE or others? No. Genesis 3

    Why did God include Christ in His Pre-creation Plan? To rescue all things created from perdition Ephesians 1:10, Colossians 1:20

    What was God's pre-creation Purpose? To reconcile all things in heaven and earth to Himself Colossians 1:13-20, Ephesians 1:10
  • Mishael to Krysta - in Reply on Acts 9
    God gave all this information to Holy men of God to publish Bibles for this generation. He is NOT a man. He has given man and woman every opportunity to love Him and learn of Him. His son Jesus became all God and son of Man to come to earth to save all mankind. Not willing that ANY should perish but that ALL would come to repentance....to be born again.

    He gave us 10 simple guidelines to live our lives. Jesus gave us 2 commandments, which take the place of the 10. If we love each other...we'll fulfill the 10. Simple.

    I don't know about you but plenty of people were unfair to me; let me down. I was bleeding out so-to-speak When I came to Jesus. I was crouched on a chair with a vision of hell in my floor and an invisible Hand extended to me, above my head. I grabbed the Hand!! For me that was when life began.

    He's not being mean to people. What is it when people ignore their Creator and choose to be spiritually blind and deaf?

    I'll show you some mercy...all the babies and little children will be taken to heaven at the rapture of the church, world wide. God will not let them suffer. Read all of the book of John. No skipping around. Is Jesus mean?

    Don't be clueless like I was. Just take the Hand of God and walk with Him.

    I asked my mother once why she didn't read the Bible. She countered with being baptized as a child and believing in heaven. I asked her why wouldn't you want to know every thing possible about Someone you want to spend eternity with? She began reading her Bible every day. She died 6 months later. I miss her. I'll see her again.

    Receive Jesus. Let Him have your past and you take His future.
  • Mishael on Revelation 7:9
    Someone needs to be brave and just get it down to bare bones about the Rapture; and the Second Coming. Two separate events.

    The bare bones is this: quit waiting for some big sign post in the sky that says it's going to be tonight or next week. Our time for sin is done. Quit wondering and open up the door of your heart that Jesus is knocking on.

    Give your life to Jesus Christ... and take His Life. Accept him as your Savior and Lord.

    Take yourself OFF of the throne of your heart....and PUT Jesus on that throne. Do it now!

    End your fleshly, worldly lifestyle and begin to live for Jesus only. If the Holy Spirit cringes in your home....get rid of the idols.

    You cannot learn the Bible with media all over your home. Stop now and read this passage: it's about the media!! Isaiah 8:18-22. Wizards that peep and mutter are computers that are hooked up to internet, Facebook, evil Twitter of voices of heartless hell bound people. Verse 20, because there is NO LIGHT in them! People feed themselves on garbage every day. No wonder there is no sense of stability in their christian walk.

    We're living in Bottom Line days here! The moment Jesus speaks COME UP, we are gone. The door is shut.

    Avoid all the confusion of varying opinions. BE BORN AGAIN NOW. Then you won't have to wonder when THE MOMENT will be. Your ticket is punched. You are ready to board!!

    We are surely going to see Matthew 24 bloom and spread out across the world. Time for lively debates has passed. If you care so much, go next door and see if your neighbor is ready....and to others on the street. Romans chapter one.

    If other people are not saved; do not want to be saved; ask you to leave (Romans 1)

    They are dead already. Noah's world drowned. This world is going by fire.

    It blows my mind that people are not one bit curious about New Jerusalem? Are not highly excited about meeting the Son of God. Beloveds, look forward. Be ready. Keep your eyes on Jesus.
  • Chris - in Reply on Revelation 7:9
    Suresh, Frankincense is similar to Incense, in that it too can be used for providing aroma & also of have some medicinal value. Of course, we note that Frankincense was brought as a gift by the Magi to the new born baby Jesus, usually understood as a symbol of Jesus' future priestly role (as Gold was for His Kingship & Myrrh, prefiguring His death).

    Whereas, Incense in Hinduism, though similar in providing a sweet odour, is essentially used in the performance of puja & prayers to a deity in an offering made in love to the deity. And incense is used in other religions as well for similar purposes, other than to given a sweet smell in a house, generally used today. In pure Christianity, incense is not used, as we believe that the God Whom we worship delights in His people coming to him anywhere, anytime & without the need of any paraphernalia to bring Him any further delight or acceptance. We come to God in simple love & faith & believing He hears & answers our prayers to Him.
  • Chris - in Reply on Revelation 14
    Carlos, in answer to you, my sense is that, like most things about us, God just leaves us alone & we go about our daily lives, whether in the midst of problems in the home, Church, or society. To believers, it serves to remind us to get back to His Word, to reacquaint ourselves with God's Standards & Requirements, thus a 'spiritual' Church should take note & rectify problems & divisions. The 'carnal' Church will still go on about their business doing what they believe is right & God-honouring, giving little regard to what the Scriptures actually teach.

    I think that 'denominations' were inevitable as the Church moved further away from apostolic teaching. Interpretations of Scripture, even the fusing of OT practices into the Church (incense, robes, chants, etc.), would undoubtedly creep in as men looked to their own wisdom rather than the Wisdom in the Word. Looking at the Church with human eyes, one could wonder why the Lord would have any further dealings with us anymore. Except for that singular fact: His Own Son's Blood was shed for the Church & only faith in that finished Work alone, would secure the desperate soul to salvation & glorious eternity. Thus it is heartening to understand that ultimately God can only be our Judge, & that judgement based on one's saving faith in His Son, & nothing else.

    Carlos, I still have our other 'unfinished' matters before me - don't despair!
  • Chris - in Reply on Genesis 10
    Robert, 1 Thes 4:15, 17 refer to this phrase you are sharing here. We understand this phrase to actually speak about the Rapture of the Church, i.e. when Christ comes for us, the dead in Christ will rise first & then we who are alive & on Earth will then go to be with Him. The apostle Paul gave these comforting words to the believers there, because some were despairing that those Christians alive would get translated & the dead believers' bodies would not. So, Jesus will take into account all who have been saved by faith - sadly many who think that they were saved, will be left behind to face the wrath of God upon mankind.
  • KRYSTABELLE on Acts 9
    Why does he like to persacute people?
  • Nsamba Vincent on Deuteronomy 22
    The word of God Chengs not as it is stated in the Bible so it will be on the day of judgement. (Deuteronomy 22:5 ) *NB Only those that are lead by the Holy Spirit are true sons of God.
  • Peter - in Reply on Genesis 3:1
    Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field.

    I don't see any problem with this statement. There were animals in the garden and some were beast of the field and some beasts of the woods and plains maybe etc. and the serpent was the most subtil of all the beast that were in the field. He was in the garden just as Eve was.
  • Word on Daniel 8
    From verse 23 and on we see the end time prophecy where the anti christ comes in and it's not what they preach in the churches these days because antichrist in Greek is instead of Christ and Satan shows up as a false messiah in peace as Revelation 12 tells us he is kicked to earth to deceive the whole world.
  • Jesse - in Reply on John 16:28
    Robert,

    Jesus was preparing His disciples for the things which were about to come, His crucifixion, death, resurrection, and His ascension up to heaven to prepare a place for us until He comes back at His second coming.

    Verse 32, Jesus says they will scatter, every man to his own way. There will come a time when Jesus is crucified, and the horror of that sight, and the disappointment and discouragement that will come upon them, they will all scatter! Jesus didn't say it was wrong. He said this is what you're going to do. Every man to his own, that is, his own house or place. They will scatter and go back to their own homes discouraged and disheartened. They are going to leave Him up on the cross to die alone, and yet Jesus says I am not alone because the Father is with me.

    Verse 33, Jesus says these things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world. Jesus is telling them what to expect after He leaves. But He tells them that they will overcome, as He overcame. He says that in Him, they would have peace.



    Peace is not a tranquil feeling that God gives us to make us feel good. Our peace is in Christ. In Ephesians 2:14, Paul says about the Jew and the Gentile who have been separated that in Christ, He is our peace. Peace is a person!

    He is our peace who has made both one, Jew and Gentile, and has broken down the middle wall of partition between us and brought us all into one. In the Greek text, EIRENE for peace means to unite, to become one.

    For me to find my peace in Christ, it means that in all of my situations I lineup with Him, I unite with Him, and I keep my focus on Him. He will be my peace, my unity with Him.

    Paul said in 1 Cor. 1:30-31 that Christ is our sanctification, Christ is our righteousness. I'm clothed in His righteousness. I've not gained any for myself. He went on to say Christ is our wisdom. Now we're told that Christ is our peace!
  • Mishael - in Reply on Revelation 14
    Doesn't the variety of religions remind us of the Tower of Babel, sorta, kind of?

    God confused the one language into Many. Everybody moved away so they could hear only their language?

    See that's humans for you. They all want some unique way to hold Church and attract new visitors. All people want to have it their way.

    Anyone can go online now and read the tenets of that Church's faith. What they believe. If it doesn't match up to the Bible, don't go there. If the church has skinny "sheep" then they aren't being fed on the Word of God. If they don't have wool, then they're being fleeced by false shepherds.

    We have a grave responsibility to search these things out!

    We attend church to obey God.... because we love Him and He wants us to learn about him. Somewhere it says that if the stall is "full", that's a happy barn; a balanced diet.

    Don't put the full responsibility on the Pastor to feed you!

    We are to be having family Bible night at home too. Kids will never walk away from God if his love and nurturing is at home. There are many "justice league" kind of heroes in scripture. Jesus slipped in and out of crowds when it was necessary; being chased by Pharisees & legalists. Paul is running from them, Romans and all manner of hazards. What does that teach? Saul chased King David for years and couldn't kill him. If you are hidden in Christ you can achieve amazing victories.

    Children know none of these amazing stories, these days. The Bible was removed from schools in 1962. Jesus was kicked out, along with the 10 commandments. LOOK AT WHAT OUR SOCIETY HAS BECOME.

    One old lady atheist did that.

    Does anyone have a testimony of what Jesus did for them this week???

    Maybe God would like to hear it too??

    The kids love tunes by Carman on youtube, like: Yahweh; Yo Kids album; he loves ministering in song to kids :D. I used to go to the same church he went to. Kids set on fire for Jesus. It can happen again folks.
  • David - in Reply on Revelation 1:8
    God is one and JESUS CHRIST is God manifestation in the flesh.
  • Larry B on Revelation 12
    Hi first of all I respect your opinion and if you truly believe that Jesus is God almighty that your belief, but try to read the very verse that you site until you see its real meaning . But just to help,it means that God almighty manifest himself to all first in jesus then the churches ,me and you. This is the very purpose why God send his son , to give the world a chance to really know him the power that the Christians enjoy. But all this were immediately gone because they were killed and immediately a new person a was initiate d by catholic and john Calvin. The word is really very simple but , God. Send his only begotten son. I will repeat, GOD SEND HIS ONLY Begotten SON yet the world were led to believe differently, that's the work of the devil to bring confusion, and God let him prevail for now until jesus returns , and it's not gonna be far. Take note of what 1John 4;3 and every spirit that confessed not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of god;he is that spirit of the Antichrist. What spirit are you carrying. The true spirit are those that declares that jesus come in the flesh.
  • Robert Marino on Genesis 10
    How can i be alive and remain at the second coming, if i have already been raptured and gone in some pre-tribulation rapture?
  • Jesse - in Reply on Matthew 24:38
    (Part-2)

    Tim,

    In Verse 30, the word "tribes" would show us that Jesus is talking about Jews. And then again in Verse 31, the gathering of the elect, that word "elect" is referring to Jews. It starts getting interesting beginning at Verse 33. Jesus says, So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors. In Verse 34, the word "generation" is referring to a race of people. He's talking about Jews.

    Now Verses 37-41 give us the preconditions to the coming of Christ. I find Verses 37-39 to be quite interesting, and I think this might tie in to what you are talking about. 37) But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 38) For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, 39) And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

    After God shut the door on the ark, how long was it until it started raining? One week! I see that as prophecy. After the door was shut on the ark, the unbelievers still didn't know the judgment was coming. But they were warned. Noah and His family were closed up and safe in the ark for a week before the judgment came upon the non-believing world. That is why it says they didn't know it until the flood came. The flood came and took them all away. It was life as usual until it came, and it was sudden, and it was quick, and it was unexpected.

    For me, I see the parallel between the ark and Daniel's 70th week. I see believers being caught up to be safe with the Lord for that final week (7 yr. period) while the unbelievers are carrying on as usual until the judgment hits them, just like in the days of Noah being safe in the ark for 7 days until the flood came.

    Well, I know I've rambled a lot here, but I just wanted to share my perspective and understanding of Matthew 24.
  • David Ward - in Reply on 2 Samuel 24
    To often it is not the act of repetitiveness that causes our pain. But the act of pride. David realized his error in numbering the men immediately. We need not depend on our own might when we belong to God. The battle is not ours to glory in but it is that God has delivered us. So we give the glory to God in spite of our on military might.
  • Jesse - in Reply on Matthew 24:38
    (Part 1)

    Tim,

    I would like to share with you my understanding of Matthew Chapter 24. Matthew Chapters 24 and 25 deal with the end-time prophecies. There are four sections in Chapter 24 that represent the 70th week of Daniel.

    Section 1: "The Pains of Birth" Verses 4-14. Section 2: Matthew 24:15 is "The Pivotal Point." Section 3: Matthew 24:16-28, "The Perils of Tribulation." And then fourthly, Verses 29 to 31 is "The Promise of His Coming," given to us in Isaiah 13:10 and 34:4, Joel 2:10 and 3:15, 7:13, Isaiah 27:13, and Zechariah 12:10.

    Beginning at verse 3 of Chapter 24, the disciples are looking for answers as to when these things are going to happen. Jesus then begins answering, and from Verses 4-14, He gives the details of the first 3-1/2 years of the tribulation, known as the pains of birth. In Verse 15, we have the pivotal point, the abomination of desolation.

    Then in Verse 16, we see that Jesus is talking to Jewish believers. Actually, I believe the entire Chapter is given to Jewish believers. But Jesus tells them to flee. Verses 16 to 28 talk about the perils of tribulation, the last 3-1/2 years of the 7 year Tribulation period. It's going to be a very severe time.

    Verse 22 is showing us that if God did not have a time period when He says okay I am going to stop, everybody would be wiped out.

    But for the sake of the elect, a special word brought over from the O.T. as a title for the Jewish people. They are His elect people. It doesn't mean they are all saved but they are His chosen people. He realizes there are 144,000 of them out there, plus all the others who believed, and this is something that is going to happen in the last part of the tribulation period.

    Verses 29-31, we have the promise of His coming. I recently shared the actual 7 Steps of a Jewish Wedding. If we understand those 7 steps, it helps to understand the coming of Christ and some of the Jewish views about when Christ is coming back. Those steps are fascinating!
  • Adeenah on Revelation 17:5
    i have been praying for this day to come
  • Ric - in Reply on Revelation 19:20
    Try this for your question on the temple rebuilt.

    Jesus' prophecy that the pride of the Jewish nation, the temple, would be destroyed inspired the most intense rejection of His teachings. (See Matthew 24:1, 2.) In John 2:19, Jesus says, "Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up." Of course, Jesus is speaking of rebuilding a temple-not of stone and nails, but of living stones (1 Peter 2:5). Yet many refused to grasp this teaching (John 2:20, 21). They even mocked Jesus on the cross regarding His prophecy (Matthew 27:40).

    Yet when Jesus died, the veil in the earthly temple ripped in two from the top to bottom, signifying that the temple no longer held meaning. A temple for sacrifice today would be as useless as it was then, and it would not be the house of God.

    The New Testament is replete with the idea that the temple is the body of Jesus. Ephesians 2:19-22 says, "Ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God: And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit." (See also 1 Peter 2:5.)

    you also, like living stones, are being built into a spiritual house to be a holy priesthood, offering spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. 1 Peter 2:5

    Even after God provides all this clear evidence that His temple is a spiritual one, many Christians are waiting for the Jews to receive a construction permit to rebuild a physical temple on the site where a Muslim mosque now sits. However, there is no prophecy, promise, or commandment in the Bible that says the physical temple would ever be rebuilt after the Romans razed it nearly 2,000 years ago.
  • Jesse - in Reply on Romans 2:5
    Mattie,

    In 2 Corinthians 5:10, it says For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

    For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; That is what is called the Bema seat. This is not the Great White Throne Judgment. We are told in 1 Corinthians Chapter 3, as well as Romans 14:10 "Why do you judge your brother, or why do you set at nought your brother? For we shall all stand before the judgment seat, the Bema seat of Christ."

    The Bema seat was the platform that some of the Roman officials would sit on as they were meting out judgment. But it's more known for the stand in which you come to at the Olympic games after you run your race to get your prize.

    We see in the Olympics, the first, second, and third-place athletes, they get up on this stand and they give them a medal. And they stand up there and play the anthem of the person that came in first place.

    That is the Bema seat. It's not the judgment of heaven and hell. We are already assured of heaven in Christ. But we will be judged and that judgment is described for us in 1 Corinthians Chapter 3.

    There will be a type of fire that we will pass through and that which is not of Christ will burn, and whatever is left is the reward. Only the things of Christ will last!

    So he says I do things here that will be well-pleasing to the Lord because someday I'm going to stand before Him just like we (All true believers) will. And as he says in 1 Corinthians Chapter 9, he runs the race to win the prize. He says run to receive the prize because one day you're going to stand before Christ.
  • Robert DePaula on John 16:28
    What did Jesus mean when he said that He was leaving the world again?
  • Carl - in Reply on Psalms 8
    Hello, cherry picked verses can often lose context. For example: John 10:28, if you read before it, in verse 25 Jesus says his own works bears witness (fruit) of Him (same as with Christians), verse 27 says his sheep hears His voice and follow Him- that's an active pursuit requiring action on the part of the followers, just like to follow Jesus it requires action as a Christian. And 28 He will give them eternal life. Eternal life is given after judgment, but some are claiming they have eternal life BEFORE they're even judged regardless of their fruit or blasphemy, etc. Matthew 12:32 clearly says anyone who commits blasphemy will not be forgiven, not only on earth now, but in the future.
  • Jesse - in Reply on Psalms 11
    Mild Bill,

    Thank you so much for bringing this out. The 1,000 year reign is another beautiful example of how gracious God is. Out of His grace and mercy, He gives so many opportunities for people to come to Him, and yet some will continue to have hearts of stone. Satan will be bound up in the bottomless pit for the entire 1,000 years and no longer have any influence on the lives of people. But then he is loosed after the 1,000 years for a short season to deceive, and some will go right back to following him.

    After the thousand years, we leave with Christ. And the people on the earth who are left over from the tribulation, who still are not saved, but they've been given this one thousand year opportunity to live under the rule of Christ with Satan bound, when Satan is let loose, they will go back to Serving Satan again.

    I think it's a tragedy, but we have to understand that when a person is a rejecter of Christ, you could send him to heaven for a thousand years and say "Look how nice it is here," and when he comes back he's going to reject it. Nothing's going to impress him to be saved.

    Again, thank you so much for bringing this out. God's grace is so powerful and unending!
  • Christine Moore - in Reply on Matthew 28:19
    Amen!!!In the Name of Jesus


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