Bible Discussion PAGE 174

  • Yasser Davin - in Reply on Isaiah 66
    Why are the letters of Paul included in the gospel? when it was his personal letter intended for a different type of people...So I personally disagree that the letter of Paul included in the gospel because it is not a word of God but a word of man
  • Alicia on Psalms 75:10
    What exactly does the HORN mean in Psalms 75:10? Strength??
  • Yasser Davin - in Reply on Isaiah 66
    Colossians has only 4 chapters, and 1 Timothy 4:2 is out of topic
  • Johnson on Matthew 13:25
    Matthew 13v.25. While men slept the enemy came and sowed tares. Kindly explain the meaning of this verse and leasons for the christian of today.
  • Theo - in Reply on Leviticus 19
    Snopes' material is misleading, luciferase is a real enzyme that produces bioluminescence and the Microsoft patent relating to commerce is WO2020060606A1 (the mark of the beast also relates to commerce). Robert F. Kennedy Jr recently alleged that Bill Gates' vaccination programme has resulted in the maiming or death of many children.
  • Pamela Hirsch - in Reply on Colossians 3
    Hi Cindy, so according to your religion, Jesus would have said to the woman found in adultery, 'neither do I condemn you, go your way and sin all you like, because I'm going to die on the cross to pay the price for all your sins, past, present and future, so because of my death on the cross, you can sin all you want and still get to heaven, as long as you believe in me. that's a horrible religion. Who needs it?
  • Josephine on 1 Peter 1
    Comment* i find it hard to understand kjv. i believe the lord will intervain and give me spiritual interpretation
  • Chris - in Reply on 1 Chronicles 6
    Maria, Uashni, or Vashni (in the modern KJV) was the son of Samuel. Where did you learn that his name changed to Joel? The only Joel I can find, is the author of the same book, Joel, the son of Pethuel.
  • Chris - in Reply on Matthew 24:38
    Jesse, I think this thread, & its many comments, have gone so far South, that we are actually starting to head North again. So hang in there, if you're still with us.
  • Chris - in Reply on Hosea 4:6
    Very true indeed. Most of those Christians are either immature, or have been led to believe: 'that now that I've been saved, I have my ticket to Heaven, so behaving as the world does, doesn't matter'. Tragic!!
  • Chris - in Reply on Matthew 24:38
    Jesse, excuse the intrusion as I don't want to join/add to the thread, but just wanted to comment on that excellent piece you've shared (over two pages). That was to the point & inspiring - thank you. I was particularly interested to learn of your 'proficiency' in Greek, which undoubtedly is standing you in good stead. And if your great ability in English is clearly seen, then we can take confidence in your reading & understanding of Greek.

    As well, apart from our divergent views on, say, the Rapture, then we also have to add the type of manuscript being referred to & to non-Greek readers, which Lexicon is being used. I think of JWs & their understanding of John 1:1: we understand, from Textus Receptus as "..and the Word was God". JWs read in their New World Translation: "..and the Word was a god"; thereby removing the Deity of Christ. What an incorrect use of an article can do!! Blessings as you feed on the Word.
  • Ruby on Matthew 24:21
    What happeneds when someone dies
  • Chris on Isaiah 59
    I think that the chapter, taken as a whole, imposes some social responsibility on us to challenge evil practices like war, to become "intercessors."

    If we don't, the blood is on our hands (v 3), because "None calleth for justice, nor any pleadeth for truth.." v 4.

    "None," therefore, doesn't only include the wrongdoers, it includes all of us who should call for justice and plead for truth.

    "The way of peace they know not, and there is no judgment in their goings: they have made them crooked paths: whosoever goeth therein shall not know peace." v 8.

    Because we haven't pleaded for truth or called for justice, "Therefore is judgment far from us, neither doth justice overcome us." v 9.
  • Chris - in Reply on Leviticus 19
    Bob, Jesse is correct. Recently, Bill Gates was interviewed about this very matter on Stephen Colbert's show. In that interview, he vehemently denied being involved in any such implant research/work. In fact, Bill laughed off such a suggestion as ridiculous & which smacked of ultra-right wing propaganda.

    However, the technology is there & so such an implant could in fact be 'ushered' in for a completely different reason. Remember, how Christians became suspicious with the introduction of the Credit Card? Many refused then, & some today I suspect, of using a 'satanic inspired medium' for business. Or, even the Bar Code we see on all our products, that all have the 666 digits evenly spaced in the code line? Nothing happened, but I see that these are all steps to more development & worse still, society's acceptance of what is 'normal, acceptable progression in the modern world'. Once accepted by society as a much needed tool for achieving a purpose, then it becomes a small matter for the Anti-Christ to use existing technology to promote his brand of despotism & control over all governments & their citizens. We have a choice now to use credit cards, the internet, & others ways for governments & others to access all the information they want about us, but the day will come, when there won't be a choice: it will be, "receive the mark & live or die as an outcast from society".
  • Chris - in Reply on Exodus 21
    Andreas, it was God indeed who gave these rules. The list begins in Exodus chapter 20 verse 1. If you find anything mentioned there troubling, we must remember that God gave these laws to not only deal with any sin that might come to His people, but also as a testimony to the nations around, who had no such laws from God.

    Unfortunately, the laws in today's society bear little resemblance to those original laws given to Israel, though they are based on Judaeo-Christian laws, where law makers now generally go according to societal expectations, treatment of criminals as equal to law-abiding citizens, or even in fear of passing a sentence that may be erroneous. Some Christians readily accept such laws as good, others know that one day we will all have to stand before our Great Judge, even the judges of this earth will stand before Him, & give an answer to God about our lives & to those whom we have charge over.
  • Chris - in Reply on Matthew 24:38
    Thanks Bob for your comments, but am unsure whether you are in agreement with Carlos, that Ezekiel 31:8, 9, refer to the trees of Eden being synonymous with other human creations beside Adam & Eve, or if you're concurring with me.

    Either way, if I can state my understanding of Ezekiel 31 briefly: Ezekiel's prophecy of indictment was against Pharaoh, king of Egypt. Pharaoh was proud that there was none like him in his greatness, his army & his strength. So God directs Ezekiel to tell Pharaoh to consider the king of Assyria, also great, whose monarchy continued from Nimrod. Sennacherib was a mighty one in that monarchy but it soon fell as Nebuchadnezzar then built upon or grafted from its ruins. So now in Ezekiel 31, the Assyrian King is pictured as a cedar in Lebanon, the greatest of all trees compared to anything around him. So great he was that even when compared to the 'cedars in the Garden of God', the botany of Eden also envied him for his greatness, which they couldn't match. And this was the prophecy against Pharaoh, & of course we see further his prophetic destruction in chapter 32.

    So, "Was the Assyrian in the garden of Eden with Adam and Eve?" Clearly not. The picture painted in Chapter 31 was of a great Cedar (king of Assyria) whose greatness not only surpassed that of Pharaoh, but also of all the trees in Eden, from which one would expect to find nothing else excelling in height, strength & beauty. But even, in comparison, Eden's botany failed. Do we here see other people in Eden? I can't see them no matter how hard I look, nevertheless, God has indeed given us the gift of imagination, so maybe we can believe there were others beside A & E at the same time in Eden, to support our views.
  • Scott on Luke 1
    I have been a Christian for many years but not lived as I should, I am now in my fifties and recent health issues have compelled me to study the bible. I picked the first chapter of Luke out of thin air-not even knowing the content. Looking forward to getting closer to my savior JESUS CHRIST!
  • Mishael - in Reply on Matthew 24:38
    I drew a picture for my son when he was young. He didn't understand the soul.

    God formed (mould) Adams body out of the dust: to get his sustenance from the earth (food, water, shelter). That's why dust returns to dust at death.

    Made in Gods image, so connected spiritually. Enabled to receive Gods direction. (Name the animals, etc)

    God breathed into his nostrils the breath of life and man became a living soul: that reasons, feels emotions, solves problems, needs love.

    I believe Adam and Eve were unprepared to meet the subtil (deceptive) Satan. I think the devil studied them to find an entrance.

    Satan introduced doubt. She countered with what God had told them about the Garden.

    Satan is evil & had the knowledge: he tells her she will surely not die and 3 more reasons. Tempted with the curiosity of the food and knowledge, she tastes it and shares it with Adam.

    God could have had Satan hurled elsewhere but He didn't. It would have negated the FREE WILL he had given to Adam and Eve.

    God had to send them out of the Garden and move the Tree of Life, because if they ate of that they would live eternally in a good or evil state of being with free will. Adams status as a son of God was over! He was human, just like we are.

    If we accept Jesus as Savior, in our fallen status; our souls will live Eternally with our Lord in heaven. Our transformed bodies will be returned to us at the instant we are CAUGHT UP to become the Bride of Jesus Christ, our Bridegroom. We have a wedding to attend.

    Even more exciting if you are alive at that moment!

    One of Jesus's names, is the Tree of Life.
  • Chris - in Reply on Matthew 24:38
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    Onto Perfection: I just don't see that A & E's inability to discern between good & evil either weakened or limited them. Perfection (as I perceive it here), is His Creation of man to be pure/perfect in mind & body, & that purity involved total obedience to their Creator in perfect love & trust. There was no need for them to know what was good or evil, for their goodness & flow of spiritual energy lay in their unquestionable & in-dissolvable relationship to their Creator. Why then did they have the ability to choose? Maybe, & not just a Character of God, this was what gave them the 'humanness' of the creative Work & not just a robotic response, or a blind obedience, to God. So, we see a Perfect Creation, with the power to choose, but they would only choose obedience to God because of a pure heart & mind towards Him. Satan then enters in to 'work' on that opening to make them consider otherwise.

    "What did the devil say to Eve? You will be like God. And what did God say? They are now in our image. They are like us; with knowledge they didn't have." (Genesis 3:22). Fully agree - that's what transpired. So this confirms that God had this knowledge (of good & evil), & correctly so, but A & E were prevented from it for the sake of innocence (for it seems that in God's definition, Innocence is a state where knowledge of good & evil or right from wrong, is not evident at all). I think of a baby: brought into this world in innocence (notwithstanding with a sin nature), but has the trait of 'choice'. Then there comes a time in that little one's life, where the need to choose arrives. It can make the right choice, but its sin nature dictates that soon the wrong one will also be made. What choices are made by the child? Wilful behaviour, coveting another child's toy, disobedience, are a few that come to mind. A & E, even in their unfallen 'youth', did not disobey, covet, or behaved wilfully. They used they God-given trait of choice & then, that's when it all fell apart.
  • Chris - in Reply on Matthew 24:38
    Page 2.

    Nice description of "me building a mansion, etc." I agree, it would be very foolish of me to expend so much to have it all destroyed. I should have built it as far away as possible from this enemy (fortunately, I had insurance!) or made the mansion impregnable & unable to be destroyed, which I couldn't humanly do. Do you know why I still persisted in building this doomed mansion? I firstly wanted a beautiful home for my family to live in & to which my friends would be pleased to see & visit (i.e. I fulfilled my lifelong dream). I would protect it the best I could (alarms, cameras, etc). But my enemy came in with bulldozers in the night to do his evil deed. He succeeded, I was grieved but I knew my dream could not be thwarted. I rebuilt that which was broken, knowing full well that my enemy was lurking about with his bulldozer to strike again. However, this time, I did what many Americans do, have an arsenal of weaponry that makes an Iraqi army look like an ill-equipped bunch of boy scouts. If you get my drift Carlos, I speak of the coming of Christ & the spiritual weapons His Spirit has endued us with to fight the powerful, spiritual Enemy we face daily. So hopefully, my earthly enemy will take note & either back off, or if he is emboldened, the use of my armoury will strike where it hurts: his pride & spirit of hatred. (onto Page 3).
  • Chris - in Reply on Matthew 24:38
    Page 1.

    Carlos, to your questions 1, 2, 3, 4: I don't know why Satan was banished to the Earth & not to another planet or star. God's creation was perfect (I emphasize: in its MAKING), so whatever evil was near to it, was of no consequence - evil would have no influence on it. But you will say, 'Evil did have an influence'. Why? Because this perfect creation chose to disobey their Creator. It is all about CHOICE. To deal with your point properly, I would say that God should have created A & E without the power of choice (thus, unlike their Creator) or make them using a set program written in their minds (= robotic), or as you suggest, keep them out of Satan's reach altogether. God, for His Own reasons, chose not to employ any of MY suggestions, & do this HIS Way. No risk in ruining His Creation: A & E were created in perfection, they chose to sin, Satan was successful, & God's ultimate Plan for bringing mankind back to Him was in action. Did God know all this? Of course. Then why bother? Maybe, just maybe, all this is a beautiful expression of His Character of Love, both in creating & redeeming. (onto Page 2)
  • Andres Donet on Exodus 21
    Was it God who provide those detailed rules? Looks like more as if was some law enforcing people .
  • Sara K on Ephesians 1
    Dear Douglas Russel Jr., Oh, how I hope since you've reached out here, that you have come to understand The Good News of Christ's Love and what it means to be saved by God's Amazing Grace :)

    1 Corinthians 15:1-4 "...I declare unto you the GOSPEL...By which also ye are saved...How that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures. :)

    *Because of what God says in His Word, the Bible, I believe*:

    that man is saved from eternal punishment and is justified freely by grace through faith in the sacrificially shed blood of Jesus Christ on the cross of Calvary

    (Romans 3:21-26, Ephesians 2:8-9, 1 Corinthians 15:1-4).

    that Salvation is a completely undeserved free gift bestowed upon all who simply believe (Romans 5:12-21, 4:5).

    during this dispensation of grace, every person who believes the gospel of the grace of God (Acts 20:24) is eternally saved from God's wrath.

    All saved people during the dispensation of grace are eternally saved and complete in Christ (Romans 5:1, Colossians 2:10).

    Salvation is the work of God and not the work of man. Therefore, it is impossible for anyone who has trusted in Christ to ever be lost again. AND ...We are sealed by the Holy Spirit and are not our own -- we are bought with a price

    (Colossians 3:1-4, Romans 8:29-39, Ephesians 1:13-14, 4:30, 1 Corinthians 6:19-20).

    Space here is running low. I hope to share more in another comment if allowed.

    As the Apostle Paul repeatedly said:

    " Grace unto you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ " ... Amen.
  • Bob Hilt - in Reply on Matthew 24:38
    Ezekiel Chapter 31 (was Adam and Eve really alone in the garden?)

    1 And it came to pass in the eleventh year, in the third month, in the first day of the month, that the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,

    2 Son of man, speak unto Pharaoh king of Egypt, and to his multitude; Whom art thou like in thy greatness?

    3 Behold, the Assyrian was a cedar in Lebanon with fair branches, and with a shadowing shroud, and of an high stature; and his top was among the thick boughs. (Assyrian a Cedar figure of speech family tree)

    4 The waters made him great, the deep set him up on high with her rivers running round about his plants, and sent out her little rivers unto all the trees of the field.

    5 Therefore his height was exalted above all the trees of the field, and his boughs were multiplied, and his branches became long because of the multitude of waters, when he shot forth.

    6 All the fowls of heaven made their nests in his boughs, and under his branches did all the beasts of the field bring forth their young, and under his shadow dwelt all great nations.

    7 Thus was he fair in his greatness, in the length of his branches: for his root was by great waters.

    8 The cedars in the garden of God could not hide him: the fir trees were not like his boughs, and the chesnut trees were not like his branches; nor any tree in the garden of God was like unto him in his beauty.

    9 I have made him fair by the multitude of his branches: so that all the trees of EDEN Eden, that were in the GARDEN garden of GOD God, envied him. (Trees IN EDEN envied him? Trees have emotions or family trees figure of speech?)

    Was the Assyrian in the garden of Eden with Adam and Eve?
  • Eric Aguero - in Reply on John 11
    I make my choice while I am alive. It's out of my hands when I die.
  • Jesse - in Reply on Leviticus 19
    Bob, I just checked on Snopes and it says this is a false conspiracy theory that is going around about Bill Gates. I don't know how much you trust Snopes, but they are saying this is false. I Just thought I'd share that with you.
  • Mishael - in Reply on Matthew 24:38
    I read something once that 'this generation' had something to do with the fig tree blooming. I'll have to study that again. I don't think it has to do with Jesus's generation.

    It has something to do with the Return. Israel gained Statehood in 1948. Gained freedom in the 6 day War. I'm not sure if there's an official date of the Jews returning from the dispersion?

    I remember something about 1918 too. I was trying to pray about that date.

    I do know that Israel's flag was adopted and displayed first time in 1948. I googled that. The emblem is about the Shield of David.

    (Not Moloch/Molech)
  • Jesse - in Reply on Matthew 24:38
    Part 2)

    Well, it looks like we have a dilemma. God has convinced you without a doubt of a post tribulation rapture, and He's convinced me of a pre-tribulation rapture. Now what? We're both convinced, and we both believe we are convinced by God's word, so now what? That's a question that no one seems to be able to answer. Have you ever been convinced that God showed you something, and then later find out it was wrong? I have.

    I don't think there is any proof on who wrote Hebrews. It wasn't until the 3rd century that the council of Carthage added Paul's name to the letter. But they had no proof of that. There are theories out there as to who it might be, and Paul's seems to be the most popular. But no one knows for sure. I don't see it being Paul. It was written too eloquently. It was not Paul's style of writing. Paul seemed to be all over the place in his letters. Plus, Paul usually attached his name to all his letters.

    Hebrews had to have been written by a second generation Christian because of what the writer stated in Hebrews 2:3. "How shall we escape if we neglect so great a salvation, which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard Him. So whoever wrote Hebrews did not hear the Lord directly, nor did he receive from the Lord directly, but received and was confirmed and established for us, he being one of them, by those that heard Him.

    Paul himself, as stated in Galatians 1:11-12 said, but I certify to you brethren that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man, for I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ. So Paul is not a second generation Christian. And whoever wrote Hebrews is a second generation Christian.
  • Jesse - in Reply on Matthew 24:38
    I was just curious if you read Greek. I read koine Greek. It's helped me a lot in my studies. Who knows, I might be one of those people you describe as knowing just enough to be dangerous. I own a copy of the Textus Receptus and I read it from time to time. There's no English at all in it, and you may already know that. I'm no master of the Greek language by any means but I can read it. For that matter, I'm no master of the English language either.

    English is such a general language, much like Hebrew. That's why I believe people can't agree with each other on what the English text is saying, because the English language can be interpreted in different ways. Greek is probably the most exact language there is. I think God chose that language for the New Testament for a reason. I wish they would have made it a requirement for everyone going into the ministry that they would have to master the Greek language before they would be able to teach from the pulpit. It's almost impossible to come up with different meanings from the Greek.

    Well, I'm not sure how a Greek scholar can confuse Apostasy with Rapture. I would have called him out on that one.

    The reason I asked you about the word generation used in Matthew 24:34 is because you brought up a point about the time frame 1948-1988, and people looking for the rapture in 1988. Many people thought that since Israel became a nation in 1948, and to them, generation meant 40 years, so the rapture must be 1988. But actually, the word generation itself has no association with years at all, unless you put the years with it. The word generation means race or kind of people. GENEA is the word, and it means a race or kind of people.
  • Chris - in Reply on Matthew 24:38

    1. "A & E ate the figurative fruit by participating in and associating with people and Angels God told them to stay away from." How does one eat a 'figurative' fruit? What were they then supposed to be doing/partaking of, or indeed, what was Satan meaning when he referred to the fruit? This interpretation is meaningless to me. This example brings to mind a certain group of believers I knew who also found some 'deeper or hidden meaning' in many biblical references. One such was of young David's preparation to meet Goliath & his collecting of five smooth stones (1 Samuel 17:40). Can a normal proper reading of this Scripture intimate some further meaning? This group believed that each of those stones had a spiritual representation, viz. Faith, Obedience, Service, Prayer, & Gift of the Holy Spirit. That with these stones in mind, we can be better equipped to deal with the 'goliaths' in our lives. Anything wrong with this? No, the teaching of Faith, Obedience, etc. are essential for us, so there's no problem. But I ask, why the need to use David's stones as representations/associations to Christian living & victory, undermines natural use of Scripture.

    2. "Were Adam and Eve the only people alive at the time of their infraction? Was Lucifer the only Angel in Heaven when he became corrupt?" To these, I say, YES, & NO. The Bible gives no hint that any other human was there with A & E at the time of their infraction.

    3. "The images presented in these verses are of the devil being banished to the earth and more specifically the Garden of Eden." I will have to leave off this one: I just cannot find these 'images' in the light of the Scriptures you cited. They don't make sense, unless exposition is given to each one of those verses.

    4. "Satan successfully ruined God's perfect creation, but I don't see that in the Bible." That creation of humans, not machines, was given a free will; they chose wrongly. I'll also leave off this one: I've given my thoughts earlier.

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