> Isaiah 62:5 For as a young man marrieth a virgin, so shall thy thy sons (both men and women) >MARRY THEE
Isaiah 62:5 (KJV) For as a young man marrieth a virgin, so shall thy sons marry thee: and as the bridegroom rejoiceth over the bride, so shall thy God rejoice over thee.
Isaiah 62:5 is indeed a poetic and metaphorical passage that compares the relationship between God and the people of Israel to that of a young man marrying a virgin and a bridegroom rejoicing over the bride. It emphasizes the joy and love that God has for His people. This passage is often cited to illustrate the intimate and loving nature of the relationship between God and His people.
However, it's important to note that this passage, like many in the Bible, is metaphorical and symbolic in nature. It uses the imagery of a marital relationship to convey the idea of God's deep love and care for His people. It is not meant to be taken as a direct instruction for individuals to view themselves as the "wife of Christ" in the same way that human marriages are understood.
> Rev 21:9 .... I will show you the bride (both men and women), the Lamb's WIFE .......
Revelation 21:9 uses metaphorical language, likening believers to Christ's bride to convey a close spiritual relationship, not a literal marriage. Not to be used in support of Ephesians
>Repent means to change ones BELIEFS.
One may ask for forgiveness from sin and obtain it, but that doesn't mean they truly repented from that sin. TRUE repentance is like a burning house you don't go back to it!
Please don't insinuate I need to "repent" as I am not the one who wrote blasphemous statements such as the one below in your original post below.
Jorydn wrote:
>The word of God cuts both ways, a two edged sword.
>How many husbands love their wives as CHRIST loves the church ..... probably NONE.
>The word says you are the WIFE of Christ, so these scripture of a wife submitting to her >HUSBAND apply as much to you as to any earthly wife.
As a added nail to the Scriptural Truth & confimation of the doctrine of perfection in this present life
1Pet 4:1
we must be still in our mortal flesh, to suffer in the flesh, & to cease from sin
its the working of Grace / Cross in denying ungodliness & worldly lust that the carnal minded, which is in enmity against God that must be crucify & the learning of righteousness is the suffering described here,
As we continue in well doing, ever increasing in the measure of His Spirit
we come to Psalms 40:8
I spoke to Chris once about this, but it's worth saying it again, my present measure is in the state of man before he fell, yet still capable of falling, & I have ! I found that in humility, 'Truth in the inward parts" & confessing the least motions of His convictions within my conscience is the key to growing in Grace. I learn to love it when He nails me, its His judgment of lovingkindness drawing me closer to Him, instilling in me the fear of the Lord & by continuing in this state of brokeness I receive strenght to overcome all the wiles of the devil, thus far 1 Thessalonians 5:24
What God requires is that we walk according to the Truth that we know, as we abide in it, it cleanses us through the continuing exercising of the Grace received, once we mature in that present measure, God gives the increase & the process of sanctification of the Spirit unto obedience & Sprinkling of the Blood/Life of Jesus within us increases, until that final day of Luke 3:16,17 refer to Rom 6:3-52Pet 1:19 "not I, but Christ
Folks, awake to Righteousness & Christ will give you Life
with all that be open on the subject, those who willful choose not to believe, will have no excuse when they stand before a Holy Holy Holy God to give an account of the Light that's has been reveal to them, folks please consider.
Another thought, in light of the whole of Scriptures, only the devil influnence upon mankind would plead to remain in unbelief & sin, this doctrine come only from Rev 17:5
"In the beginning God created the heaven(s) and the earth." Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the Word of GOD(the Word is GOD, self-executing), so that things which are seen WERE NOT MADE of things which do appear.
In the beginning-in JESUS- GOD the Father created the 1st,2nd,and 3rd heavens(this is the next to be established- Luke 20:35-36, combined with 2Corinthians 12:1-4, and Revelation 11:15-18), and the heaven of the heavens. By the way, "the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same Word are kept in store, reserved unto FIRE against the Day of Judgment (this Day arrived, that is the seventh and last Day, or seventh and last millennium) and perdition of ungodly men. NOTE: The heavens which will be burned from now on is the 1st and 2nd heavens, the 3rd will be established, and "unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath"- Matthew 25:29.
Furthermore, GOD revealed the creation to Moses around 2.500 years after Adam or 1500 years BC. JESUS, the Greater Light- Genesis 1:16- came in the fourth Day, around 4.000 years after Adam. John 5:17 - JESUS said: My Father worketh hitherto, and I work. According Chistian calendar from JESUS until the present time passed more around 2.000 years, so we are living in the beginning of first century of the seventh and last millennium or seventh and last Day, the LORD's Day. Therefore, GOD RESTS DOWN FROM HIS WORKS FROM NOW ON.
"In the beginning-IN JESUS- GOD -the Father - created the heaven(s) and the earth - earth here is Israel, still in the embryo, and not the planet Earth where GOD sits Himself - Isaiah 40- ,for Israel as a nation was created around 2500 years after Adam.
John 1:3-5
The light shineth in darkness;and the darkness comprehended it not. All things were made by JESUS; and without Him was not any thing made that was made.
You said"Babylon fell when Christ died on the cross.Creation was married to Christ at his resurrection".
You are saying that, but does not fit together the Word of GOD. What matters and prevails is the Word of GOD,the Word is GOD,self-executing,undersntand?What does the Word of GOD say for you and all? Come out of Babylon, MY PEOPLE, that you be not partakers of her sins,and that you receive not of her plagues.
Wake up, wake up, it's midnight.And the sins of Babylon have reached unto HEAVEN, and GOD has remembered her iniquities.
Therefore shall her plagues come in one Day(in the seventh and last Day, it is now, even now, from now on, understand?),death, and mourning,and famine;and she shall be utterly burned with fire:for strong is the Lord GOD who Judges her.
Remember Revelation 18:20-23
20Rejoice over Babylon, thou heaven, and ye holy apostles and prophets; for GOD has avenged you on her.
21And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying,Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all.
22And the voice of harpers,and musicians,and of pipers,and trumpeters,shall be heard no more at all in thee;and no craftsman,of whatsoever craft he be,shall be found any more in thee;and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee;
23And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee:for thy merchants were the great men of the earth;for by thy sorceries were ALL NATIONS deceived.
There will be a War(Rev.12 combined with Revelation 16:13-15)against Babylon.
Get ready
1Corinthians15:24-27
24 The END cometh, when JESUS shall have delivered up the Kingdom to GOD, even the Father; when He shall have PUT DOWN all RULE, and ALL AUTHORITY, and POWER
25 For He must reign, till He hath put all enemies under His feet
In Rom 6 Holy Spirit describes the certainty of God expectation of not continuing in sin & reveals the working of Grace as the divine power to accomplish the command. Peter says, God gives His Grace to the humble, meekness of heart, lowliness of mind is the pathway to receiving the power of Grace that we desperately need & it is Merciful kindness of God who will work this within us if we acknowledge the Truth about ourselves concerning growing in godliness, Jesus says, "without me you can do nothing". A love for God must be cutivated, for faith worketh by love & Gal 3:2 so obedience to the hearing of the Word of God "Grace" in our hearts we receive ever increasing measures of His Spirit, this is the faith that purifies the heart & will eventually be held in a pure conscience in the working out of our perfect salvation.
In Rom 7 Holy Spirit reveals the interworking of Paul struggles, now that He found himself without the righteousness of the law, now having to die to this self efforts, what a struggle he had. At the end of 7 Holy Spirit starts to open to us, the Righteousness that is by faith, the hearing of the Word of God in the heart. the Grace of God that appears to all mankind bringing salvation Rom 7:25 picking up the Cross & denying the motions of the carnal minded flesh. Rom 8:2 reveals His Grace is the Law, & goes on to declare Rom 8:14 Revealing 1John 3:6, abiding in His Grace/Spirit/Light/Cross. For the Spirit of God will never lead us into sin. As we continue in the exercise of Grace, putting Christ on, 2Cor 4:6 we're in the working of Titus 3:51Pet 1:2 unto the new creature, Col 3:10 where 2Cor 5:17. Rom 8:29 reveals this sonship, the divine nature implanted being Rom 8:15-17 & in Him there is no sin or 1John 1:5,6 we're sinless
All a free gift from our Father, yet must be appropriated by Faith, God causing us to will do of His good pleasure, for His own Name sake. Ezekiel 36:21-23Isa 55:3
Jordyn, I thank you for replying to my question. I have read your material and I find it very interesting. I will continue to study both of the subjects do what you suggested and ask the Holy Spirit to help me with an answer. I will take all my questions before the Lord. Again thank you for your help.
According to the GOD's Word,what needs to happen first?Exactly what is written in Revelation 18:1-5,i.e.the Judgment of the Great Whore,as follows:
1 And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory.
2 And he cried (will cry) mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.
3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.
The Antichrist was born and rose up from the own Church.Yes, the birthplace or the cradle of Antichrist, was the own Church, unfortunately. 1John 2:19- They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us:but they went out,
4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
5 For her sins have reached unto heaven,and GOD hath remembered her iniquities.
Just after the fall of Babylon the marriage of the Lamb will be celebrated, yes, the marriage of the Lamb comes and the wife of the Lamb will make herself ready,the Bride will make herself ready for this wonderful event,Hallelujah! And to her was granted that she be arrayed in fine linen,clean and white:for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.
AFTER THE JUDGMENT OF BABYLON- Revelation 19:1-10
1-I heard a great voice of much people in heaven,saying,Alleluia; Salvation,and Glory,and Honour,and Power,unto the Lord our GOD:
2 For true and righteous are His Judgments: for He hath Judged the Great Whore, which did corrupt the earth with her fornication, and hath avenged the blood of His servants at her hand.
1.>The word of God cuts both ways, a two edged sword.
2.>How many husbands love their wives as CHRIST loves the church ..... probably NONE.
3.>The word says you are the WIFE of Christ, so these scripture of a wife submitting to her
4.>HUSBAND apply as much to you as to any earthly wife.
" 2 Peter 3:16 (KJV) 16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
All of Christendom is part of Christ's CHURCH, it is no mere building. All saints are part of his church. The church is the wife of Christ but does not lower the husband's position to that of wife. God's divine order is revealed in 1 Corinthians 11:3 (KJV) 3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
Having the husband being in the corpus of the church does NOT make him the WIFE of Christ as you stated in 3. & 4. above and then the order for wifely submission would then apply to him as you also stated. This is utter blasphemy!
You have in your past wrested with scripture to make it say what you wanted in the past and it has affected your exegesis. You have mingled the Word & Self in a dangerous way for yourself.... "which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction."
Repent before it is too late and you go down the road of apostacy!
Dec. 31, 2022 the world press announced the death of Benedict XVI.Pope Francis is also on the brink of death.The last Pope will be elected,the husband No.266 of the Great Whore,the RCC,(excluding Peter Apostle).By the way,would be his religious nickname Paulus VII?I think so,because at the same time must manifest also another Beast,the Beast of earth-Rev.13:11-a false lamb with two horns-(a false messiah/prophet,master of Torah),as was prophesied by Paul,saying in 2Thes.2:v.3-5 & 9-12 & Jn 5:43-47, as follow:
3 Let no MAN deceive you by any means(Pastors,and Bichops,Evangelists,among others,fallen angels of the Churches):for that Day(this Day arrived)shall not come except there come a falling away first,and that MAN of sin be revealed,the son of perdition;
4 Who(will)opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God,or that is worshipped;so that he as God(he will)sitteth in the temple of God,shewing himself that he is God
11... God shall send them strong delusion,that they(the Jews)should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the Truth(believed not in JESUS)but had pleasure in unrighteousness
With the election of the last Pope in the current decade,and manifestation of a false and ruthless messiah in Israel as is above described,and according Jn 5:43-47combined with Rev.13:11-18 and Ez.21:25,among other biblical references-,then will start the last week,week 70th Dan.9:27,until the total destruction of the current world of the Devil-Rev.11:18
GET READY. THE 5th UNIVERSAL AND SATANIC KINGDOM,THE ANTICHRIST's KINGDOM,IT WILL BE ESTABLISHED IN THE EARTH FROM NOW ON-Dan.2:41-45
Is.26:20-21
20 -Come,my people,enter thou into thy chambers,and shut thy doors about thee:hide thyself as it were for a little moment,until the indignation be overpast
21-For, behold,the Lord cometh out of His place to PUNISH the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity:the earth also shall disclose her blood,and shall no more cover her slain
This was in regard to your original blasphemous post!
>The word of God cuts both ways, a two edged sword.
>How many husbands love their wives as CHRIST loves the church ..... probably NONE.
>The word says you are the WIFE of Christ, so these scripture of a wife submitting to her HUSBAND apply as much to you as to any earthly wife.
In NO WAY shape or form is the Christian HUSBAND the WIFE of CHRIST in any regard or in any kind of sense or parallel.
">The word says you are the WIFE of Christ, so these scripture of a wife submitting to her HUSBAND apply as much to you as to any earthly wife." Is utter blasphemy! A first-year theological student could see that.
You seem to have an unrepentant nature. That doesn't address what you wrote. Instead of admitting it and asking for forgiveness you press on. In NO WAY shape or form is the Christian HUSBAND the WIFE of CHRIST in any regard.
>The word of God cuts both ways, a two edged sword.
>How many husbands love their wives as CHRIST loves the church ..... probably NONE.
>The word says you are the WIFE of Christ, so these scripture of a wife submitting to her HUSBAND apply as much to you as to any earthly wife.
Paul urges all those claiming to be spiritually saved to "examine yourselves to see whether you are in the faith; test yourselves"
2 Corinthians 13:5 (KJV) 5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?
Luke 20:36 And THEY (who are they) CAN DIE NO MORE (they DIED on the cross of Christ):for they are EQUAL unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the CHILDREN of the RESURRECTION.
If you are the children of the RESURRECTION, you had to literally died to be resurrected.
Revelation 20:6 Blessed and Holy is he that hath part in the FIRST RESURRECTION ......
Isaiah 26:19 ... together with my dead body shall they arise ......
God spoke the words before you were ever born of woman, that you would be raised as ONE with Christ.
The carnal mind is ENMITY against the words of God.
The Spirit of TRUTH was SENT to destroy the WORKS of Satan, our carnal mind.
Philippians 1:29 For it is GIVEN TO YOU on the behalf of Christ (the Spirit of TRUTH) TO BELIEVE ......
"Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord." Romans 6:11 KJV
I'm not aware of any scripture saying you're dead. I assume you believe this is a metaphor and not literal.
If in Christ it says you're alive in Christ. Not dead. Scripture does say dead to sin, but that's different I haven't seen any scripture saying you're flat out dead, have you?
The church IS NOT a building made of brick and mortar,where earthy husbands and wives go, those churches are were the DEAD worship the works of their hands.
Revelation 21:22 And I saw no CHURCH therein, because the LORD God Almighty and the LAMB are the CHURCH ......
The DEAD attend church 2 hours a week, the LIVING are IN CHURCH 24/7.
The carnal mind is ENMITY against GOD.
God BLESS YOU, as the Spirit of truth destroys your carnal mind
Yes, "Excellent exegesis (of) Brother Giannis, yet terriffying subject matter" , but there are more also very terrifying things said by our Lord Jesus Christ for happening in this current time, simultaneously and sequencially after this current period of sorrows that is running, as follow:
Matthew 24:9-15
9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
13 But he that SHALL ENDURE unto the END, the same shall be saved.
14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then SHALL THE END come.
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) --->2Thes. 2:3-4 -> 3 Let no man deceive you by any means:for that Day (referring to this current Day, the seventh and last Day) shall not come,except there come a falling away first,and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth (will opose)and exalt(eth) himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth (shall sit- John 5:43-47) in the temple of God(JERUSALEM, spiritually called Sodom and Egypt- Revelation 11:8), shewing himself that he is God. Furthermore we will see not so far from this present time, the son of perdition shall give to the Vicarivs Filii Dei
his Power, and his Seat(in Jerusalem), and great Authority- Revelation 13:2.
And there was (there will be) given unto him (unto the Beast of sea)a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
>The word of God cuts both ways, a two edged sword.
>How many husbands love their wives as CHRIST loves the church ..... probably NONE.
>The word says you are the WIFE of Christ, so these scripture of a wife submitting to her HUSBAND apply as much to you as to any earthly wife.
What you wrote in your original post "you are the WIFE of Christ" was bordering on blasphemy. In NO WAY shape or form is the Christian HUSBAND the WIFE of CHRIST in any regard. While this passage Ephesians 5:22-24 draws parallels between the relationship of Christ and the Church and the relationship between a husband and wife, it at no time places the husband on equal footing with the wife. As if the husband being in the "church" makes him the wife of Christ because the Church is the wife of Christ. That mishandling of scripture could be used to justify same-sex marriages and homosexual relations. It is one of the grossest mishandling of scripture I've encountered.
Several scriptures 1 Peter 3:1, 1 Peter 3:5-6, Col 3:18, Eph 5:22-24 and the common thread running through the entire bible support Christian women to submit to their Christian husbands.
I usually get an enormous amount of pushback on this subject by both Christian men and women. If they can not even do this how will they do the weightier things of scripture? It is the sad state we find Christendom in today.
1 Peter 4:17 (KJV) 17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?
Judgement starts in the house of God and so many of our churches are out of order that it is no wonder why!
Then it was nonsensical to bring it even up to help support your original position regarding wives submitting to their husbands. If he wasn't saved then it doesn't even apply to the subject at hand. It was presented as he was saved and beating his wife in a sense impugning the notion of Christian wives submitting to husbands. Then you brought up another exception a husband commanding his wife to sin. Again a true man of God is not going to do any of these things.
I'm also always amazed by the amount of pushback this topic gets from both men and women in Christendom...
Paul urges all those claiming to be spiritually saved to "examine yourselves to see whether you are in the faith; test yourselves" 2 Corinthians 13:5 (KJV) 5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?
1 John 3:9, "Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God."
The above is an example of a misunderstanding that may occur when a scripture is not translated precisely. Well there is an excuse here since in this case there isn't a respective English term for the grk verb "amartano". It is translated "commit sin" but unlike the Engl. the grk indicates a continuous action, a continuous situation. This means that what the verse says is that whosoever is born of God does not keep sinning or living a sinful life because the seed/Word of God lives inside him. This doesn't mean that he never sins but he never lives a sinful life any more.
Similarly 1 John 3:6, "Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him." That "sinneth not" is not right, it shpuld be "sining not", a continuous condition.
See 1 John 1:8-9, "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness."
What makes you think that I didn't realize that that husband who was openly beating his wife wasn't a true Christian ? The disappointing aspect of this episode is that none of the other brethren did anything to help this poor sister . They sat in the same congregation as her and her husband year after year , looking at her bruises and doing nothing . The situation came to an abrupt end when he , went to bed one night and didn't wake up the next morning . The sense of relief among our congregation was enormous . Sadly this whole episode changed the way many of us sisters felt about our brethren who had done nothing at all , for years , to help this poor sister . Thankfully God Himself intervened where they refused to .
After reading two threads, which stated that "we could never love like God loves" I felt compel by Holy Spirit to correct this belief, that's unscriptural.
Paul states 2Cor 5:14
The love of God that flowed through him, he states in Gal 2:20 it was Christ that dwelling within him, living, moving & having His being within Paul, having His mind, heart & spirit. & where Christ dwells He brings His Father with Him John14:23 & God is love, he became an living expression of the Godhead, there's no way that in this abide abode that God love was not known, felt, displays in his life. Have you ever tried keeping your human love in? What about God ?
Jesus states in John15:10 "abide in His love"
We must believe that we can Ephesians 3:19 as we continue to grow in Grace in the knowledge of His will that
Hebrews 10:10 for faith Gal 5:6
1 John 1:14 perfect love experienced, is what John the beloved "tasted, seen & handled" 1John 4:12
1 Thessalonians 4:9 God taught them how to love as He loves
John 13:14 "as I have love you"
Folks,
To my understanding, Jesus prayer in John 17:21-23 reveals a union between the Spirit & Soul of our Creator & his creatures that unites us in such an wonderous way, that it took Divinity to imagine it, & the Son accomplish all His Father's heart desire. Matt 17:5
In addition to my previous post about SOUL and SPIRIT, I would like to comment on the magnitude / greatness of distinguishing the offering that pleases GOD and what does not.
Genesis 4:3-5
3 And in process of time it came to pass, that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground(Inanimate things, i.e. lifeless, without SOUL) an offering unto the Lord.
4 And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock (a being that has a SOUL) and of the fat thereof. And the Lord had respect unto Abel and to his offering(the offering of Abel was from GOD's perspective): 5 But unto Cain and to his offering GOD had not respect. (Why? Because the offering of Cain was inanimate things, without soul, i.e. lifeless, like the dead letter of the Law that kills, it is mortal, a human offering by the spirit of man, not by the Spirit of GOD.)
JESUS said to Satan: your thinking is from a human perspective(the offering of Cain was from a human perspective), a stumbling block, and not from GOD's perspective. Matt.16:22-23.
And GOD said through Isaiah: Cease ye from man, whose breath is in his nostrils: for wherein is he to be accounted of ? Is.2:22
Maybe Matthew 6:14-15 can be applicable to such a situation, "For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses"
What about Matthew 5:8, "Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.". If in our heart dwells bitterness, hostility, passions, ...?
Some thoughts about the unpardonable sin. Firstly in general all unrepentant sin is unpardonable. But there are cases in a christian life that a sin can become unpardonable. It seems that there is a line that if one crosses, there is no return. I would call it "a line of repentance". When one crosses that line it seems they will never repent any more whatever happens in their life
1. An individual apostasy from God that goes on and on for a long time and christians are moving further and further away from God while their heart gets more and more hardened and their conscious becomes less and less sensitive, seems they eventually cross the line of no return. It is the situation described by Paul in Hebrews 10:26-29 and Hebrews 6:4-8.
2. Blasphemy against the HS. The word Blasphemy in anc grk has the meaning of giving somebody a bad reputation, lke calling demonic the actions of the HS. It is unpardonable. Again people who do that have already crossed the repentance line. Why? Because one who in purpose and with full knowledge of what is doing(not just repeat what he heard from somebody else) fights against God, there is noway he will ever repent.
3. Lying to the Holly Spirit, like Ananias and Sapphira did. They were not given any chance to repent(apart from being questioned by Peter), they immediately fell down dead. So trying to cheat on the Holly Spirit is unpardonable.
4. As a final one that will occur in the future. Receiving the mark of the beast is also unpardonable. This indicates that people who will accept the mark will have knowledge of what they will be doing.
We need our Lord as our Savior every moment of our lives. not just at conversion. He is what keeps us alive, instead of dying physically at the point of sin. He stays the wrath of God and the condemnation of sin from us because He took our wrath for us on the cross. This is true of every person elected to salvation beginning with Adam and Eve. Otherwise, they would have died instantly when they sinned just once. Christ is our refuge every moment. He keeps us. The Father can only accept us and bring us to Himself through Jesus. Our sin is so offensive to Him and that even one sin would offend Him forever. there would never be any mercy or grace supplied to man if Jesus had not become human to be our sacrifice, substitute, ransom, propitiation, and wrath receptacle for even one sin. So, every moment of our lives, the corruption that is in us is due to the sinful nature that infects and influences all of our being. So, every moment, we need a Savior to be the righteousness God accepts on our behalf. Our righteousness is never perfect enough to be considered to have reached sinless perfection.
But I never would advocate a defeatist attitude that gives in to sin because of innate sinfulness that remains after conversion. Nor would I advocate antinomianism that teaches that since we are under grace, we can sin all we want because all of our sins are forgiven-past, present, and future. Nor would I advocate a legalism that proscribes all that we need to do to be sinless. The Pharisees thought that their self-proscribed righteous deeds could make them perfect and acceptable to God.
I hope you have a good day, Bro Dan. We can talk more on another topic, but it is ok to me if you wish to respond back to me on this topic.
I do not hold to the doctrine of sinless perfection in this life. I believe it is an error and that those who claim to have attained it are sinning due to pride and that the imagination of their mind is faulty and therefore they are not perfect in every way as Jesus was and is. Also, this doctrine is a stumbling block to those who believe this doctrine and wish to attain to sinless perfection and have not. They will feel defeated in their walk with God instead of uplifted knowing that the Holy Spirit is our helper, but not our "doer" in utilizing our will to obey God in EVERY way possible. One who has attained sinless perfection would have a perfect body that cannot die, get sick, or deteriorate. One who has attained sinless perfection would never make any mental error or act in any way that would be deemed a "mistake". One's judgements would always be correct in every circumstance and one would no longer need to learn anything new because one's mind would be perfect in the knowledge God wants us to have.
Sinless perfection involves so much more than simply not committing outward sins. For these reasons, I cannot embrace it as a true doctrine. Now that I know that you believe this doctrine, I do not think that it is fruitful to continue to discuss it between us because I will not have a change of belief on this matter.
Bro Dan. We all should be desiring and using all that comes to us from being regenerated to serve God in truth and in obedience. Jesus never had a moment that was not focused on doing the will of the Father and also in not being completely abandoned to the Father in love. Could any person honestly say that they have "attained" to this measure of sinless perfection?
I do not think so.
But, in regards to using the word "can't", I use this word because I know that I possess the sinful nature at all times until my dying moment. This nature corrupts me, body, soul, and spirit. I daily fight to overcome it....cont.
> Isaiah 62:5 For as a young man marrieth a virgin, so shall thy thy sons (both men and women) >MARRY THEE
Isaiah 62:5 (KJV) For as a young man marrieth a virgin, so shall thy sons marry thee: and as the bridegroom rejoiceth over the bride, so shall thy God rejoice over thee.
Isaiah 62:5 is indeed a poetic and metaphorical passage that compares the relationship between God and the people of Israel to that of a young man marrying a virgin and a bridegroom rejoicing over the bride. It emphasizes the joy and love that God has for His people. This passage is often cited to illustrate the intimate and loving nature of the relationship between God and His people.
However, it's important to note that this passage, like many in the Bible, is metaphorical and symbolic in nature. It uses the imagery of a marital relationship to convey the idea of God's deep love and care for His people. It is not meant to be taken as a direct instruction for individuals to view themselves as the "wife of Christ" in the same way that human marriages are understood.
> Rev 21:9 .... I will show you the bride (both men and women), the Lamb's WIFE .......
Revelation 21:9 uses metaphorical language, likening believers to Christ's bride to convey a close spiritual relationship, not a literal marriage. Not to be used in support of Ephesians
>Repent means to change ones BELIEFS.
One may ask for forgiveness from sin and obtain it, but that doesn't mean they truly repented from that sin. TRUE repentance is like a burning house you don't go back to it!
Please don't insinuate I need to "repent" as I am not the one who wrote blasphemous statements such as the one below in your original post below.
Jorydn wrote:
>The word of God cuts both ways, a two edged sword.
>How many husbands love their wives as CHRIST loves the church ..... probably NONE.
>The word says you are the WIFE of Christ, so these scripture of a wife submitting to her >HUSBAND apply as much to you as to any earthly wife.
1Pet 4:1
we must be still in our mortal flesh, to suffer in the flesh, & to cease from sin
its the working of Grace / Cross in denying ungodliness & worldly lust that the carnal minded, which is in enmity against God that must be crucify & the learning of righteousness is the suffering described here,
As we continue in well doing, ever increasing in the measure of His Spirit
we come to Psalms 40:8
I spoke to Chris once about this, but it's worth saying it again, my present measure is in the state of man before he fell, yet still capable of falling, & I have ! I found that in humility, 'Truth in the inward parts" & confessing the least motions of His convictions within my conscience is the key to growing in Grace. I learn to love it when He nails me, its His judgment of lovingkindness drawing me closer to Him, instilling in me the fear of the Lord & by continuing in this state of brokeness I receive strenght to overcome all the wiles of the devil, thus far 1 Thessalonians 5:24
What God requires is that we walk according to the Truth that we know, as we abide in it, it cleanses us through the continuing exercising of the Grace received, once we mature in that present measure, God gives the increase & the process of sanctification of the Spirit unto obedience & Sprinkling of the Blood/Life of Jesus within us increases, until that final day of Luke 3:16,17 refer to Rom 6:3-5 2Pet 1:19 "not I, but Christ
Folks, awake to Righteousness & Christ will give you Life
with all that be open on the subject, those who willful choose not to believe, will have no excuse when they stand before a Holy Holy Holy God to give an account of the Light that's has been reveal to them, folks please consider.
Another thought, in light of the whole of Scriptures, only the devil influnence upon mankind would plead to remain in unbelief & sin, this doctrine come only from Rev 17:5
"In the beginning God created the heaven(s) and the earth." Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the Word of GOD(the Word is GOD, self-executing), so that things which are seen WERE NOT MADE of things which do appear.
In the beginning-in JESUS- GOD the Father created the 1st,2nd,and 3rd heavens(this is the next to be established- Luke 20:35-36, combined with 2Corinthians 12:1-4, and Revelation 11:15-18), and the heaven of the heavens. By the way, "the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same Word are kept in store, reserved unto FIRE against the Day of Judgment (this Day arrived, that is the seventh and last Day, or seventh and last millennium) and perdition of ungodly men. NOTE: The heavens which will be burned from now on is the 1st and 2nd heavens, the 3rd will be established, and "unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath"- Matthew 25:29.
Furthermore, GOD revealed the creation to Moses around 2.500 years after Adam or 1500 years BC. JESUS, the Greater Light- Genesis 1:16- came in the fourth Day, around 4.000 years after Adam. John 5:17 - JESUS said: My Father worketh hitherto, and I work. According Chistian calendar from JESUS until the present time passed more around 2.000 years, so we are living in the beginning of first century of the seventh and last millennium or seventh and last Day, the LORD's Day. Therefore, GOD RESTS DOWN FROM HIS WORKS FROM NOW ON.
"In the beginning-IN JESUS- GOD -the Father - created the heaven(s) and the earth - earth here is Israel, still in the embryo, and not the planet Earth where GOD sits Himself - Isaiah 40- ,for Israel as a nation was created around 2500 years after Adam.
John 1:3-5
The light shineth in darkness;and the darkness comprehended it not. All things were made by JESUS; and without Him was not any thing made that was made.
You said"Babylon fell when Christ died on the cross.Creation was married to Christ at his resurrection".
You are saying that, but does not fit together the Word of GOD. What matters and prevails is the Word of GOD,the Word is GOD,self-executing,undersntand?What does the Word of GOD say for you and all? Come out of Babylon, MY PEOPLE, that you be not partakers of her sins,and that you receive not of her plagues.
Wake up, wake up, it's midnight.And the sins of Babylon have reached unto HEAVEN, and GOD has remembered her iniquities.
Therefore shall her plagues come in one Day(in the seventh and last Day, it is now, even now, from now on, understand?),death, and mourning,and famine;and she shall be utterly burned with fire:for strong is the Lord GOD who Judges her.
Remember Revelation 18:20-23
20Rejoice over Babylon, thou heaven, and ye holy apostles and prophets; for GOD has avenged you on her.
21And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying,Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all.
22And the voice of harpers,and musicians,and of pipers,and trumpeters,shall be heard no more at all in thee;and no craftsman,of whatsoever craft he be,shall be found any more in thee;and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee;
23And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee:for thy merchants were the great men of the earth;for by thy sorceries were ALL NATIONS deceived.
There will be a War(Rev.12 combined with Revelation 16:13-15)against Babylon.
Get ready
1Corinthians15:24-27
24 The END cometh, when JESUS shall have delivered up the Kingdom to GOD, even the Father; when He shall have PUT DOWN all RULE, and ALL AUTHORITY, and POWER
25 For He must reign, till He hath put all enemies under His feet
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed
As an encouragement to you,
In Rom 6 Holy Spirit describes the certainty of God expectation of not continuing in sin & reveals the working of Grace as the divine power to accomplish the command. Peter says, God gives His Grace to the humble, meekness of heart, lowliness of mind is the pathway to receiving the power of Grace that we desperately need & it is Merciful kindness of God who will work this within us if we acknowledge the Truth about ourselves concerning growing in godliness, Jesus says, "without me you can do nothing". A love for God must be cutivated, for faith worketh by love & Gal 3:2 so obedience to the hearing of the Word of God "Grace" in our hearts we receive ever increasing measures of His Spirit, this is the faith that purifies the heart & will eventually be held in a pure conscience in the working out of our perfect salvation.
In Rom 7 Holy Spirit reveals the interworking of Paul struggles, now that He found himself without the righteousness of the law, now having to die to this self efforts, what a struggle he had. At the end of 7 Holy Spirit starts to open to us, the Righteousness that is by faith, the hearing of the Word of God in the heart. the Grace of God that appears to all mankind bringing salvation Rom 7:25 picking up the Cross & denying the motions of the carnal minded flesh. Rom 8:2 reveals His Grace is the Law, & goes on to declare Rom 8:14 Revealing 1John 3:6, abiding in His Grace/Spirit/Light/Cross. For the Spirit of God will never lead us into sin. As we continue in the exercise of Grace, putting Christ on, 2Cor 4:6 we're in the working of Titus 3:5 1Pet 1:2 unto the new creature, Col 3:10 where 2Cor 5:17. Rom 8:29 reveals this sonship, the divine nature implanted being Rom 8:15-17 & in Him there is no sin or 1John 1:5,6 we're sinless
All a free gift from our Father, yet must be appropriated by Faith, God causing us to will do of His good pleasure, for His own Name sake. Ezekiel 36:21-23 Isa 55:3
Continue in His Love
Jacqueline Collier
Babylon fell when Christ died on the cross.
Creation was married to Christ at his resurrection.
God Bless YOU!
Isaiah 62:5 For as a young man marrieth a virgin, so shall thy thy sons (both men and women) MARRY THEE ...
Revelation 21:9 .... I will show you the bride (both men and women), the Lamb's WIFE .......
Repent means to change ones BELIEFS.
God Bless YOU!
1 And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory.
2 And he cried (will cry) mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.
3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.
The Antichrist was born and rose up from the own Church.Yes, the birthplace or the cradle of Antichrist, was the own Church, unfortunately. 1John 2:19- They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us:but they went out,
4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
5 For her sins have reached unto heaven,and GOD hath remembered her iniquities.
Just after the fall of Babylon the marriage of the Lamb will be celebrated, yes, the marriage of the Lamb comes and the wife of the Lamb will make herself ready,the Bride will make herself ready for this wonderful event,Hallelujah! And to her was granted that she be arrayed in fine linen,clean and white:for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.
AFTER THE JUDGMENT OF BABYLON- Revelation 19:1-10
1-I heard a great voice of much people in heaven,saying,Alleluia; Salvation,and Glory,and Honour,and Power,unto the Lord our GOD:
2 For true and righteous are His Judgments: for He hath Judged the Great Whore, which did corrupt the earth with her fornication, and hath avenged the blood of His servants at her hand.
Get ready
1.>The word of God cuts both ways, a two edged sword.
2.>How many husbands love their wives as CHRIST loves the church ..... probably NONE.
3.>The word says you are the WIFE of Christ, so these scripture of a wife submitting to her
4.>HUSBAND apply as much to you as to any earthly wife.
" 2 Peter 3:16 (KJV) 16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
All of Christendom is part of Christ's CHURCH, it is no mere building. All saints are part of his church. The church is the wife of Christ but does not lower the husband's position to that of wife. God's divine order is revealed in 1 Corinthians 11:3 (KJV) 3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
Having the husband being in the corpus of the church does NOT make him the WIFE of Christ as you stated in 3. & 4. above and then the order for wifely submission would then apply to him as you also stated. This is utter blasphemy!
You have in your past wrested with scripture to make it say what you wanted in the past and it has affected your exegesis. You have mingled the Word & Self in a dangerous way for yourself.... "which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction."
Repent before it is too late and you go down the road of apostacy!
3 Let no MAN deceive you by any means(Pastors,and Bichops,Evangelists,among others,fallen angels of the Churches):for that Day(this Day arrived)shall not come except there come a falling away first,and that MAN of sin be revealed,the son of perdition;
4 Who(will)opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God,or that is worshipped;so that he as God(he will)sitteth in the temple of God,shewing himself that he is God
11... God shall send them strong delusion,that they(the Jews)should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the Truth(believed not in JESUS)but had pleasure in unrighteousness
With the election of the last Pope in the current decade,and manifestation of a false and ruthless messiah in Israel as is above described,and according Jn 5:43-47combined with Rev.13:11-18 and Ez.21:25,among other biblical references-,then will start the last week,week 70th Dan.9:27,until the total destruction of the current world of the Devil-Rev.11:18
GET READY. THE 5th UNIVERSAL AND SATANIC KINGDOM,THE ANTICHRIST's KINGDOM,IT WILL BE ESTABLISHED IN THE EARTH FROM NOW ON-Dan.2:41-45
Is.26:20-21
20 -Come,my people,enter thou into thy chambers,and shut thy doors about thee:hide thyself as it were for a little moment,until the indignation be overpast
21-For, behold,the Lord cometh out of His place to PUNISH the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity:the earth also shall disclose her blood,and shall no more cover her slain
Get ready
>The word of God cuts both ways, a two edged sword.
>How many husbands love their wives as CHRIST loves the church ..... probably NONE.
>The word says you are the WIFE of Christ, so these scripture of a wife submitting to her HUSBAND apply as much to you as to any earthly wife.
In NO WAY shape or form is the Christian HUSBAND the WIFE of CHRIST in any regard or in any kind of sense or parallel.
">The word says you are the WIFE of Christ, so these scripture of a wife submitting to her HUSBAND apply as much to you as to any earthly wife." Is utter blasphemy! A first-year theological student could see that.
>The word of God cuts both ways, a two edged sword.
>How many husbands love their wives as CHRIST loves the church ..... probably NONE.
>The word says you are the WIFE of Christ, so these scripture of a wife submitting to her HUSBAND apply as much to you as to any earthly wife.
Paul urges all those claiming to be spiritually saved to "examine yourselves to see whether you are in the faith; test yourselves"
2 Corinthians 13:5 (KJV) 5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?
Speaking in tounges, gift of healing, prophecy, casting out demons. Etc
Read , 1st Corinthians all chapter 12.
Luke 20:36 And THEY (who are they) CAN DIE NO MORE (they DIED on the cross of Christ):for they are EQUAL unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the CHILDREN of the RESURRECTION.
If you are the children of the RESURRECTION, you had to literally died to be resurrected.
Revelation 20:6 Blessed and Holy is he that hath part in the FIRST RESURRECTION ......
Isaiah 26:19 ... together with my dead body shall they arise ......
God spoke the words before you were ever born of woman, that you would be raised as ONE with Christ.
The carnal mind is ENMITY against the words of God.
The Spirit of TRUTH was SENT to destroy the WORKS of Satan, our carnal mind.
Philippians 1:29 For it is GIVEN TO YOU on the behalf of Christ (the Spirit of TRUTH) TO BELIEVE ......
God Bless YOU!
I'm not aware of any scripture saying you're dead. I assume you believe this is a metaphor and not literal.
If in Christ it says you're alive in Christ. Not dead. Scripture does say dead to sin, but that's different I haven't seen any scripture saying you're flat out dead, have you?
The church IS NOT a building made of brick and mortar,where earthy husbands and wives go, those churches are were the DEAD worship the works of their hands.
Revelation 21:22 And I saw no CHURCH therein, because the LORD God Almighty and the LAMB are the CHURCH ......
The DEAD attend church 2 hours a week, the LIVING are IN CHURCH 24/7.
The carnal mind is ENMITY against GOD.
God BLESS YOU, as the Spirit of truth destroys your carnal mind
Greetings in Christ JESUS
Yes, "Excellent exegesis (of) Brother Giannis, yet terriffying subject matter" , but there are more also very terrifying things said by our Lord Jesus Christ for happening in this current time, simultaneously and sequencially after this current period of sorrows that is running, as follow:
Matthew 24:9-15
9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
13 But he that SHALL ENDURE unto the END, the same shall be saved.
14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then SHALL THE END come.
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) --->2Thes. 2:3-4 -> 3 Let no man deceive you by any means:for that Day (referring to this current Day, the seventh and last Day) shall not come,except there come a falling away first,and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth (will opose)and exalt(eth) himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth (shall sit- John 5:43-47) in the temple of God(JERUSALEM, spiritually called Sodom and Egypt- Revelation 11:8), shewing himself that he is God. Furthermore we will see not so far from this present time, the son of perdition shall give to the Vicarivs Filii Dei
his Power, and his Seat(in Jerusalem), and great Authority- Revelation 13:2.
And there was (there will be) given unto him (unto the Beast of sea)a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
Let's be ready,the days will be shortened
Galatians 2:20 I AM CRUCIFIED with Christ .......
I BELIEVE God's word, I'm DEAD.
..... nevertheless I LIVE ...... yet NOT I, BUT CHRIST .......
Psalms 1:2 ... his delight is the LAW of the Lord .....
Romans 8:2 For the LAW of the SPIRIT OF LIFE in Christ ......
John 14:6 .... I am the LIFE ......
Ephesians 4:4 ..... ONE body ...... ONE Spirit .....
1 Corinthians 15:38 ... to every SEED ..... his (Christ's) own BODY .....
1 Corinthians 12:27 NOW ye are the BODY of Christ .....
Colossians 1:27 .... this mystery ..... Christ in you ....
Ezekiel 36:27 And I WILL CAUSE you to walk in my statutes, and keep my judgements and DO THEM.
I'm DEAD, dead men CANNOT sin.
God Bless YOU!
>The word of God cuts both ways, a two edged sword.
>How many husbands love their wives as CHRIST loves the church ..... probably NONE.
>The word says you are the WIFE of Christ, so these scripture of a wife submitting to her HUSBAND apply as much to you as to any earthly wife.
What you wrote in your original post "you are the WIFE of Christ" was bordering on blasphemy. In NO WAY shape or form is the Christian HUSBAND the WIFE of CHRIST in any regard. While this passage Ephesians 5:22-24 draws parallels between the relationship of Christ and the Church and the relationship between a husband and wife, it at no time places the husband on equal footing with the wife. As if the husband being in the "church" makes him the wife of Christ because the Church is the wife of Christ. That mishandling of scripture could be used to justify same-sex marriages and homosexual relations. It is one of the grossest mishandling of scripture I've encountered.
Several scriptures 1 Peter 3:1, 1 Peter 3:5-6, Col 3:18, Eph 5:22-24 and the common thread running through the entire bible support Christian women to submit to their Christian husbands.
I usually get an enormous amount of pushback on this subject by both Christian men and women. If they can not even do this how will they do the weightier things of scripture? It is the sad state we find Christendom in today.
1 Peter 4:17 (KJV) 17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?
Judgement starts in the house of God and so many of our churches are out of order that it is no wonder why!
I'm also always amazed by the amount of pushback this topic gets from both men and women in Christendom...
Paul urges all those claiming to be spiritually saved to "examine yourselves to see whether you are in the faith; test yourselves" 2 Corinthians 13:5 (KJV) 5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?
The whole word of God is about Christ and his bride, the church.
The whole chapter of Ephesians 5 is speaking of Christ the husband and the woman his wife.
Ephesians 5:32 This is a MYSTERY, but I SPEAK CONCERNING Christ and HIS CHURCH.
John 9:41 Jesus said unto them, If you were blind you would have NO SIN, but because you say I SEE, you sin remaineth
God Bless YOU!
1 John 3:9, "Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God."
The above is an example of a misunderstanding that may occur when a scripture is not translated precisely. Well there is an excuse here since in this case there isn't a respective English term for the grk verb "amartano". It is translated "commit sin" but unlike the Engl. the grk indicates a continuous action, a continuous situation. This means that what the verse says is that whosoever is born of God does not keep sinning or living a sinful life because the seed/Word of God lives inside him. This doesn't mean that he never sins but he never lives a sinful life any more.
Similarly 1 John 3:6, "Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him." That "sinneth not" is not right, it shpuld be "sining not", a continuous condition.
See 1 John 1:8-9, "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness."
Blessings
After reading two threads, which stated that "we could never love like God loves" I felt compel by Holy Spirit to correct this belief, that's unscriptural.
Paul states 2Cor 5:14
The love of God that flowed through him, he states in Gal 2:20 it was Christ that dwelling within him, living, moving & having His being within Paul, having His mind, heart & spirit. & where Christ dwells He brings His Father with Him John14:23 & God is love, he became an living expression of the Godhead, there's no way that in this abide abode that God love was not known, felt, displays in his life. Have you ever tried keeping your human love in? What about God ?
Jesus states in John15:10 "abide in His love"
We must believe that we can Ephesians 3:19 as we continue to grow in Grace in the knowledge of His will that
Hebrews 10:10 for faith Gal 5:6
1 John 1:14 perfect love experienced, is what John the beloved "tasted, seen & handled" 1John 4:12
1 Thessalonians 4:9 God taught them how to love as He loves
John 13:14 "as I have love you"
Folks,
To my understanding, Jesus prayer in John 17:21-23 reveals a union between the Spirit & Soul of our Creator & his creatures that unites us in such an wonderous way, that it took Divinity to imagine it, & the Son accomplish all His Father's heart desire. Matt 17:5
Jeremiah 32:38-41 Love never fails.
"Rainwalker" and Giannis
Greetings in Christ JESUS
In addition to my previous post about SOUL and SPIRIT, I would like to comment on the magnitude / greatness of distinguishing the offering that pleases GOD and what does not.
Genesis 4:3-5
3 And in process of time it came to pass, that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground(Inanimate things, i.e. lifeless, without SOUL) an offering unto the Lord.
4 And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock (a being that has a SOUL) and of the fat thereof. And the Lord had respect unto Abel and to his offering(the offering of Abel was from GOD's perspective): 5 But unto Cain and to his offering GOD had not respect. (Why? Because the offering of Cain was inanimate things, without soul, i.e. lifeless, like the dead letter of the Law that kills, it is mortal, a human offering by the spirit of man, not by the Spirit of GOD.)
JESUS said to Satan: your thinking is from a human perspective(the offering of Cain was from a human perspective), a stumbling block, and not from GOD's perspective. Matt.16:22-23.
And GOD said through Isaiah: Cease ye from man, whose breath is in his nostrils: for wherein is he to be accounted of ? Is.2:22
Maybe Matthew 6:14-15 can be applicable to such a situation, "For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses"
What about Matthew 5:8, "Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.". If in our heart dwells bitterness, hostility, passions, ...?
Some thoughts about the unpardonable sin. Firstly in general all unrepentant sin is unpardonable. But there are cases in a christian life that a sin can become unpardonable. It seems that there is a line that if one crosses, there is no return. I would call it "a line of repentance". When one crosses that line it seems they will never repent any more whatever happens in their life
1. An individual apostasy from God that goes on and on for a long time and christians are moving further and further away from God while their heart gets more and more hardened and their conscious becomes less and less sensitive, seems they eventually cross the line of no return. It is the situation described by Paul in Hebrews 10:26-29 and Hebrews 6:4-8.
2. Blasphemy against the HS. The word Blasphemy in anc grk has the meaning of giving somebody a bad reputation, lke calling demonic the actions of the HS. It is unpardonable. Again people who do that have already crossed the repentance line. Why? Because one who in purpose and with full knowledge of what is doing(not just repeat what he heard from somebody else) fights against God, there is noway he will ever repent.
3. Lying to the Holly Spirit, like Ananias and Sapphira did. They were not given any chance to repent(apart from being questioned by Peter), they immediately fell down dead. So trying to cheat on the Holly Spirit is unpardonable.
4. As a final one that will occur in the future. Receiving the mark of the beast is also unpardonable. This indicates that people who will accept the mark will have knowledge of what they will be doing.
Blessings.
We need our Lord as our Savior every moment of our lives. not just at conversion. He is what keeps us alive, instead of dying physically at the point of sin. He stays the wrath of God and the condemnation of sin from us because He took our wrath for us on the cross. This is true of every person elected to salvation beginning with Adam and Eve. Otherwise, they would have died instantly when they sinned just once. Christ is our refuge every moment. He keeps us. The Father can only accept us and bring us to Himself through Jesus. Our sin is so offensive to Him and that even one sin would offend Him forever. there would never be any mercy or grace supplied to man if Jesus had not become human to be our sacrifice, substitute, ransom, propitiation, and wrath receptacle for even one sin. So, every moment of our lives, the corruption that is in us is due to the sinful nature that infects and influences all of our being. So, every moment, we need a Savior to be the righteousness God accepts on our behalf. Our righteousness is never perfect enough to be considered to have reached sinless perfection.
But I never would advocate a defeatist attitude that gives in to sin because of innate sinfulness that remains after conversion. Nor would I advocate antinomianism that teaches that since we are under grace, we can sin all we want because all of our sins are forgiven-past, present, and future. Nor would I advocate a legalism that proscribes all that we need to do to be sinless. The Pharisees thought that their self-proscribed righteous deeds could make them perfect and acceptable to God.
I hope you have a good day, Bro Dan. We can talk more on another topic, but it is ok to me if you wish to respond back to me on this topic.
I do not hold to the doctrine of sinless perfection in this life. I believe it is an error and that those who claim to have attained it are sinning due to pride and that the imagination of their mind is faulty and therefore they are not perfect in every way as Jesus was and is. Also, this doctrine is a stumbling block to those who believe this doctrine and wish to attain to sinless perfection and have not. They will feel defeated in their walk with God instead of uplifted knowing that the Holy Spirit is our helper, but not our "doer" in utilizing our will to obey God in EVERY way possible. One who has attained sinless perfection would have a perfect body that cannot die, get sick, or deteriorate. One who has attained sinless perfection would never make any mental error or act in any way that would be deemed a "mistake". One's judgements would always be correct in every circumstance and one would no longer need to learn anything new because one's mind would be perfect in the knowledge God wants us to have.
Sinless perfection involves so much more than simply not committing outward sins. For these reasons, I cannot embrace it as a true doctrine. Now that I know that you believe this doctrine, I do not think that it is fruitful to continue to discuss it between us because I will not have a change of belief on this matter.
Bro Dan. We all should be desiring and using all that comes to us from being regenerated to serve God in truth and in obedience. Jesus never had a moment that was not focused on doing the will of the Father and also in not being completely abandoned to the Father in love. Could any person honestly say that they have "attained" to this measure of sinless perfection?
I do not think so.
But, in regards to using the word "can't", I use this word because I know that I possess the sinful nature at all times until my dying moment. This nature corrupts me, body, soul, and spirit. I daily fight to overcome it....cont.