Bible Discussion PAGE 12

  • Sienna H on Proverbs 26
    Great website! I totally recomend for all Christians, new and old!!!
  • Emily - in Reply on Revelation 12
    Thanks for the encouragement I will keep praying for their salvation.
  • Andy G van den Berg - in Reply on Matthew 3
    To JOEL OSTEEN

    Regarding your views on Water Baptism it cannot save a person. Please read Hebrews 6:1,2. It was one of the rites of of the Jewish Religion (Numbers 19:7, Hebrews 9:10). Like circumcision, it was strictly an act of faith, and as Peter explains it is an a pledge of good conscience towards God.

    For a better understanding and the 'spiritual truth' of what it means to repent, and learn how and by whom mankind has been deceived (Revelation 12:9) and what people must do to be reunited with the true and living God, we invite you to seek Him according to the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive (Matthew 7:7; John 14:17).

    Repentance is the key principle of all the teachings of Jesus Christ and the axiom (basis) of the Word of God and a prerequisite and primary requirement for the salvation of mankind. It actually means the changing of spirits - to turn from darkness to light and from the power of Satan unto God (Acts 26:18).

    You need not that any man teach you (Isaiah 54:13; 6:45; 1 John 2:27), as mankind follows after an image of a false god and a false Christ (Matthew 24:24; Mark 13:22; Galatians 4:8; 2 Cor. 11:13-15; Revelation 12:9).

    It is only by revelation of God that people will come to know the true Christ (Daniel 12:4,9; Amos 3:7; Matthew 16:17; Luke 2:26; Romans 16:25; 1 Cor. 2:10; Galatians 1:16; Ephesians 3:3,5; Revelation 1:1), and only then will you be able to overcome the spirit of this world (1 John 5:4; Revelation 3:21) and learn what 'True Repentance' means, and how this whole world has been deceived (Revelation 12:9). It should also be remembered that it is a narrow way that leadeth unto 'Life', and few there be that find it (Matthew 7:14; Luke 13:23).

    Luke 15:10. LIKEWISE, I SAY UNTO YOU, THERE IS JOY IN THE PRESENCE OF THE ANGELS OF GOD OVER ONE SINNER THAT REPENTETH.

    Seek, and ye shall find (Matthew 7:7).

    In His Service.

    Andy & Dianne van den Berg - Nova Scotia, Canada
  • Andy G van den Berg - in Reply on Matthew 3
    To JOEL OSTEEN

    When you visit our website we invite you to review the 'Letter of Introduction' posted on the 'Introduction' page of the website. It highlights some of our work. Please note that our website was visited last year by people from over 160 countries. There are a total of 193 countries throughout the world plus the Vatican and Palestine that are listed as observer states.

    We did contact you Ministry on different occasions, along with several reporters at the Houston Chronicle to warn them of God's judgment of all the false churches and Ministries (Mega Churches).

    Seek, and ye shall find (Matthew 7:7).

    In His Service.

    Andy & Dianne van den Berg - Nova Scotia, Canada
  • Preacher man on 1 John 5:8
    By two or three witnesses, shall every word be established, 2 Corinthians 13:1
  • Preacher man - in Reply on 1 John 5:4
    Jesus explains this passage in John chapter 3 to Nicodemus. water is natural birth, showing Jesus was all man. Blood showing his bloodline, God, proving his deity. Jesus says, "I must be about my fathers business." talking about God.
  • Alex on Galatians 3:16
    Comments about Isaiah 49, Isaiah 11 and Psalms 72 We see the Gransons The King is gonna have a Son which was Solomon but Solomon is symbolic of the H.G.Thats what Solomon means is Comforter H.G. and Solomon was the Granson. Symbolic of the H.G. THE COMFORTER. There is a great judge coming which is the H.G. THE COMFORTER Christ Offspring. He BREATH on them and they received the H.G YA gotta realize his breath was his word, his Seed thats is gonna impregnate this whole world with a spirit which is the H.G. ISAIAH describes the Davidic kingdom as Jesse, David and Solomon, Father son and granson, And Solomon was the great judge like no other in the O.T. Without this Father, Son, AND GRANSON SCENARIO THERE CANNOT BE AN ISRAEL OF GOD,God swore by his very self when he made this Promise of multiplication,Thats y he told Moses my name is abraham issac and jacob this is father son and granson that became the nation of Israel,but there is an ISRAEL OF GOD COMING WHICH IS ALSO FATHER SON AND GRANSON. Just as Solomon came out of the loins of David. the H.G comes out of the loins of Christ,HE BREATH ON THEM THAT WAS HIS SEED, his Word thus the H.G CAME OUT OF HIS LOINS, His seed etc. Thats y he refers to the H.G as the promise,Its his seed etc th gransons that are gonna be as the stars of heaven.Give the King thy judgements O God and thy righteounsness UNTO THE kINGS SON THAT WAS SOLOMON BUT IS PROPHETIC OF the H.G. the Kings Son ( Christ's Sons ) The GRANSON, tHE BEGINNING OF AN Israel of God that is gonna be born in US via that good seed his word etc The new covenant. The book in the Fathers righthand. Christ is not impotent, he has a seed to sow in humanity,Which is the word the Gransons. All nations are gonna call him blessed talking bout Solomon which is prophetic of the H.G. Christ which is IMMANUEL God with us.Blessed be his Holy name forever, let the whole earth be filled with his GLORY AMEN.We will sing a new song in that day,not this old churchanity song much longer.
  • Andy G van den Berg - in Reply on Matthew 3
    To JOEL OSTEEN

    We invite you to Google the article 'False Apostles and False Christs'. It is an article listed on our website and should come up as the first Listing on Google and welcome your questions.

    It should be noted that in over 36 years of service we have never collected/received, solicited or requested donations. The gift of 'Life' was freely given and freely do we give to all those that believe (2 Kings 5:16; Matthew 6:26; 10:8).

    Seek, and ye shall find (Matthew 7:7).

    In His Service.

    Andy & Dianne van den Berg - Nova Scotia, Canada
  • George - in Reply on Numbers 12
    Hello, there's no law from God about races intermarrying so I don't know where this thought even comes from. Why assume it's wrong?

    Much of the hate and talk about racism in our world is from confirmation bias that the media amplifies to brainwash everyone about. There was slavery all over the world and the country that led to abolish it is still being demonized even though only a minority of wealthy people were the true owners of a certain political party and all of them are dead. But the other countries continue to have slavery even today are somehow ignored. Why? All races have been slaves and all races have been slave traders, unlike what the media tells people. People don't blame the today's Germans for WWII or the Japanese for WWII, because it wasn't them specifically who did it, yet, people continue to want to blame people alive today who have a certain skin pigment for all moral injustices of the past. If someone looks up the definition of racism it matches that last statement. So, people are incentivized to want to be oppressed to gain certain political capital- so much so that people even stage fake hate crimes. Some countries have many black billionaires and multimillionaires with them dominating professional sports and genras of music. Satan is alive and he wants everyone to feel divided and to think everything the media says is true and he wants you to blame others for things based on the color of their skin. That's evil.
  • Doug on Isaiah 46:4
    We forgive others for our peace not theirs that's why christ says forgive always 70 times 7 in one day. Because he wants us in peace and if we hold on to what people does to us it takes our peace. Plus there is no peace in judgement.
  • Emily - in Reply on Revelation 12
    Jeffrey say that hes a good person and Iv tried to show him that theres none righteous ,but I havent tried talking to his wife yet and my great-aunt lives 7 hours from here and sadly she thinks that she was born a christian.
  • Alex on Galatians 3:16
    Comments by Alex about the Gransons that are the result of the new covenant, The words of God, th seeds of the sower. The children of Promise, spirits as God is spirit. Christ is not impotent he has a seed to sow in humanity. But this cannot happen till the book is opened which contains the living WORDS of God, the new covenant is gonna be sown in our hearts, Christ will not sire flesh and blood children simply b/c his seed is th living word the very seed of God. His offspring is the H.G. TH GRANSON THE CHILDREN OF THE KINGDOM AS HE SAID. they are gonna be as the stars of heaven gonna be born in humanity. Ya gonna seed bumper stickers saying i am with CHILD of the H.G.I will multiply thy seed as the stars of heaven,behold me and the children, which is the H.G. the child of Promise for everyone.If i be lifted up i will draw ALL men unto me via his seed the word, that good seed that only Christ can sow in your hearts that new covenant, Our new hearts and new spirits is Christ in US.Isaiah 11 speaks of the babes and sucklings that are be in all his holy mountain they are gonna rule the world as the manchild will rule all the world. That new covenant is all inclusive. Jesus died for everybody. When he fed the multitudes he did not cull anybody . he makes his sun to shine on everybody. makes his rain to water everybody. If any man thirst let him come unto me and drink.God is no respecter of persons, he wants to impregnate this whole world with his precious seed the child is the H.G. THAT CHILD OF PROMISE. BEING BORNAGAIN OF AN INCORRUPTIBLE SEED ETC EVEN BY THE words of God the living words Just as Issac multiplied his father abraham, Christ is gona multiply his father GOD ALMIGHTY, THATS Y HE IS SAYING to whom the Word came it made them Gods and th scrip cannot be broken. meaning his word , His seeds cannot return unto him void, the church humanity is gonna have a baby,Christ is the FATHER thats y he is saying whosoever receives one child in MY NAME receives ME. GBU
  • Joseph Moore on Jeremiah 18
    Messed up but God, still has his hands on us.
  • WRA-- in reply to Unequally Yoked on Numbers 12
    Is it a sin to have a mixed marriage between black and white People? I believe there are millions of Black Believers in the world also millions of White Believers. So, What is the answer that the question is seeking. I think its maybe. How to get beyond the problem of racial issues. With these two people groups. John 13:34-35. The Lord speaks of a new commandment he is bringing to Love your fellow man. In this chapter Jesus washes the disciples feet. He lets them know that what he was doing they would understand later. I say If they were to have foot washing services in your church as they are here in Jesus day, would you wash a black persons feet or a white persons feet? I believe he was showing how seriously he takes loving our fellowman. He says He is greater that we are and he is setting an example of how far love can go. and Should go. I would really ask myself, Would I? Could I? If asked or pushed how would I feel. How would I behave. Its flippant to say I love everybody and wish well for all which shows my love of all mankind? but is this true?
  • Pastor Joel Osteen - in Reply on Matthew 3
    Amen brother!
  • Brother dan - in Reply on Psalms 72
    Brother Chris,

    I will disagree with much of your stated understanding of scripture, and your comment that you "not only would cancel the 4th commandment, but you would cancel all 10 commandments.

    I will let Jesus answer the issue in regard to the 10 commandments:

    Mathew 23:36-40 36Master, which is the great commandment in the law? 37Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 38This is the first and great commandment. 39And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 40On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

    Below Jesus himself answers the question of canceling the Law.

    Luke 16:17 But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away than for one dot of the Law to become void.

    17 "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

    If Jesus was going cancel the law and the commandments he would have said as much, as he had many chances to do so as stated above in these scriptures.
  • Vincent Calvert - in Reply on 1 Peter 4:12
    No need to get snarky there.

    Hold onto your seat Mixster...aand away we goo...

    Deborah was a Jew. I am speaking expressly on Christian matters.

    It is an easy distinction for the serious Bible student. Thank you for your question.

    "What are you going to comment, on that?..?
  • Patrick Misolo on Isaiah 61:2
    In Isaiah 61:2, Is year of the Lord the 7000th year from the creation of this world? ( my question is born from kjv comment/explanation above).

    Thanks.
  • Andy G van den Berg on Matthew 24:9
    On HOMOSEXUALITY, SAN FRANCISCO AND GOD'S JUDGMENT

    A Gallup pole of the 50 largest Metropolitan area's in the U.S. found that 6.2% of San Franciscans identify as LGBT; which is 2.6% higher than the national average. The survey was conducted between June 2012 and December 2014. The question now is: Would God be able to locate 10 people that are righteous in His eyes? We are afraid not, and please remember: he that is 'spiritual' judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man (1 Corinthians 2:15).

    We have served the true and living God of Abraham, Isaac & Jacob since 1984 and during those days have learned that this whole world has beendeceived (Revelation 12:9), and that it is a narrow road that leadeth unto 'Life' and few there be that find it (Matthew 7:14). Also, that mankind prefers darkness over light (John 3:19), as they serve after an image of a false god and a false Christ (Matthew 24:24; Mark 13:22; Galatians 4:8; 2 Cor. 11:13-15; Revelation 12:9).

    It should be remembered that God's judgment will always prevail and therefore our message remains the same: Ye must Repent.

    You can learn more about our Ministry in Christ by Googling our 'Names' or the article "False Apostles and False Christs' or 'A World Deceived'. There is also a 'Contact' page for further communication. We invite you to review the 'Letter of Introduction' posted on the 'Introduction' page of the website. It highlights some of our work. Please note that our website was visited last year by people from over 160 countries. There are a total of 193 countries throughout the world plus the Vatican and Palestine that are listed as observer states.

    It should be noted that in over 36 years of service we have never collected/received, solicited or requested donations. The gift of 'Life' was freely given and freely do we give to all those that believe (2 Kings 5:16; Matthew 6:26; 10:8).

    Seek, and ye shall find (Matthew 7:7).

    In His Service.

    Andy & Dianne van den Berg - Nova Scotia, Canada
  • Ephrem Hagos - in Reply on 2 Timothy 3:12
    There is hard proof in Christ's diacritical death on the cross as demo of "source of life", or eternal life with creative powers.
  • WRA - in reply to Ezra 9 on Ezra 9
    This verse says, ...we have not separated ourselves from the people of the land, doing according to their abominations. The land was an unclean land filled with the filthiness of the people doing abominations. These verses lists over 8 tribes here and nowhere does it say that these people are all black. Nore is the problem listed as a Racial one. The Issue is one of Sin. If we look at the book of Numbers 12:1, we see, what I believe to be God's opinion of Inter-Racial Marriage.

    Here is another scripture I would look at in this matter. Deuteronomy 4:2, Proverbs 30:6 and Revelation 22:19. The Lord himself says in John 13:34-35. The Lord speaks of Love for one another to include people not to exclude a people group for skin color that they had no part in choosing for themselves.
  • Chris - in Reply on Genesis 1:9
    You could be right at that initial creation, of establishing the dry land (a super continent) & the waters. However, we aren't told any more about the formation of continents, whether the Great Flood had an impact on this, or maybe subsequent major shifting of the tectonic plates or other factors that might cause a division of the land.

    The only other (slight) reference we have is in Genesis 10:25: "And unto Eber were born two sons: the name of one was Peleg; for in his days was the earth divided; and his brother's name was Joktan." In the lifetime of Peleg there was a division of the Earth; whether this speaks of the physical division of the land mass or the dividing of people groups into other areas as a result of the new land masses, is debatable.
  • Andy G van den Berg on Matthew 9
    On Matthew 9:16,17

    By nature every person is born in sin through the sinful seed of their natural fathers and conditioned therein (1 Peter 1:23). For that reason and in order to become a son of God, which are born of God, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God, a person must be 'Born Again' (John 1:12,13; 3:3-7; 1 John 3:9; 5:4).

    By attending a man-made institution a few hours a week (Acts 7:48; 17:24), does not mean that a person can make a claim that they are followers of Christ and 'Born Again'. That is falsehood, as in truth they follow after an image of a false god and a false Christ (Matthew 24:24; Mark 13:22; Galatians 4:8; Revelation 12:9). This is how Satan has transformed Himself into an angel of light (2 Corinthians 11:13-15).

    Only through 'True Repentance' will God be able to reveal Himself, and adopt you as His sons and daughters (Romans 8:15,23; 2 Corinthians 6:18; Galatians 4:5; Ephesians 1:5; Hebr. 12:5; 1 John 3:1).

    The word 'Repent' means a lot more than what people by nature have been conditioned to believe. It is the key principle of all the teachings of Jesus Christ and the axiom (basis) of the Word of God and a prerequisite and primary requirement for the salvation of mankind. It actually means the changing of spirits - to turn from darkness to light and from the power of Satan unto God (Acts 26:18).

    For a better understanding and the 'spiritual truth' of what it means to repent, and learn how and by whom mankind has been deceived (Revelation 12:9), and what people must do to be reunited with the true and living God, we invite you to seek Him according to the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive (John 14:17).

    You need not that any man teach you (Isaiah 54:13; 6:45; 1 John 2:27), It is only by revelation of God that you will come to know Christ (Daniel 12:4,9; Amos 3:7; Matthew 16:17; Luke 2:26; Romans 16:25; 1 Cor. 2:10; Galatians 1:16; Ephesians 3:3,5; Revelation 1:1). It is a narrow way that leadeth unto 'Life', and few there be that find it (Matthew 7:14).
  • Chris - in Reply on Psalms 72
    Page 2.

    The other matter is about the forgetting of the sin. Just as a sinner leaves behind his sins 'at the foot of the Cross' & these are no longer held as a charge against him, yet he will always have memory of those past sins, but endeavour by the Spirit's Life in him not to pursue them again. Does God also forget our sins when He forgives? He does in the sense of never holding our past sins against us, but He knows that we are still sinners 'saved by His Grace' & indeed, He wouldn't be God if He could never recall our previous sinful life. Hebrews 10:17: "And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more." Though this verse speaks about the time when those Jews would turn to Jesus for salvation instead of obedience to the Law & Sacrifices, it tells us that God will no longer remember their (& our) sins, or, that He will never bring them up against us: He has wiped our slate clean & we have been declared 'not guilty'.
  • Chris - in Reply on Psalms 72
    Page 1.

    Brian, I believe that the Christian's response to someone who has erred against you is not only based on his/her repentance to you of that error. It would be wonderful if that person would recognize his error & be humble enough to seek your forgiveness & restoration of the relationship: your forgiving him would be easy & comforting to both.

    But if he/she did not come in repentance, & as you also suggest, not only that but also continued to sin against you, how should you & we respond? I believe that our forgiveness is based on what God has done for us in Christ: He has freely forgiven us & we should also do likewise. I realize that God requires our repentance first, but that means that He waits for our acknowledgement that we have sinned against Him & we are convicted & torn by our wickedness. He waits that we recognize that we can be forgiven only through faith in the finished work at the Cross & in nothing else.

    So, our repentance must be essential for God's forgiveness to be given us. Whereas, our response to someone who has sinned against us doesn't necessarily require their repentance first, because our forgiving him/her is simply based on Christ's Love in us to forgive them unequivocally, whether or not he repents. This is the heart that is touched by the Holy Spirit: that we have the spirit of forgiveness to all.
  • Patricia Stone on John 3:28
    24 bible versions were messed with by Origen he took words out Christ, son, blood , get you behind me satan, .

    Go to the Eye Opener on the internet or The New Eye Opener see how many versions he contaminates. King James has those words still in it. It is better you.wont be fooled.
  • Andy G van den Berg on Matthew 1:2
    On Matthew 9:16,17

    By nature every person is born in sin through the sinful seed of their natural fathers and conditioned therein (1 Peter 1:23). For that reason and in order to become a son of God, which are born of God, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God, a person must be 'Born Again' (John 1:12,13; 3:3-7; 1 John 3:9; 5:4).

    By attending a man-made institution a few hours a week (Acts 7:48; 17:24), does not mean that a person can make a claim that they are followers of Christ and 'Born Again'. That is falsehood, as in truth they follow after an image of a false god and a false Christ (Matthew 24:24; Mark 13:22; Galatians 4:8; Revelation 12:9). This is how Satan has transformed Himself into an angel of light (2 Corinthians 11:13-15).

    Only through 'True Repentance' will God be able to reveal Himself, and adopt you as His sons and daughters (Romans 8:15,23; 2 Corinthians 6:18; Galatians 4:5; Ephesians 1:5; Hebr. 12:5; 1 John 3:1).

    The word 'Repent' means a lot more than what people by nature have been conditioned to believe. It is the key principle of all the teachings of Jesus Christ and the axiom (basis) of the Word of God and a prerequisite and primary requirement for the salvation of mankind. It actually means the changing of spirits - to turn from darkness to light and from the power of Satan unto God (Acts 26:18).

    For a better understanding and the 'spiritual truth' of what it means to repent, and learn how and by whom mankind has been deceived (Revelation 12:9), and what people must do to be reunited with the true and living God, we invite you to seek Him according to the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive (John 14:17).

    You need not that any man teach you (Isaiah 54:13; 6:45; 1 John 2:27), It is only by revelation of God that you will come to know Christ (Daniel 12:4,9; Amos 3:7; Matthew 16:17; Luke 2:26; Romans 16:25; 1 Cor. 2:10; Galatians 1:16; Ephesians 3:3,5; Revelation 1:1). It is a narrow way that leadeth unto 'Life', and few there be that find it (Matthew 7:14).
  • Mixster - in Reply on 1 Peter 4:12
    God chose Deborah to be a Judge. What are you going to comment, on that?

    Did God make a mistake?
  • Chris - in Reply on Psalms 72
    Page 2.

    The Old Covenant encompassed the Whole Law completely, which Jesus fulfilled (both in obedience & according to the prophecies about Him). For us to now claim obedience to the Old Covenant & also receive the blessings of the New just cannot work: we're either depending on obedience to the Law to save us, therefore nullifying & despising Christ's Cross, or we give no heed to the old time-bound Law & put our faith in the glorious Work at the Cross, declaring that the Law (indeed) kills, but the Spirit gives Life: "not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life. But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious,which glory was to be DONE AWAY: How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?" (2 Corinthians 3:6-8).

    For me, it's not "a gigantic stretch of the imagination to apply this also to cancel the 4th commandment". I 'cancel' out not only the fourth but also the other nine: laws given ONLY to the Jews only for a time & purpose. But for all, both Jew & Gentile, who come under the shadow of the Cross, we attain unto a higher 'set of laws': "For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death." Romans 8:2. And as we read in the Gospels, when Jesus spoke of the type of obedience that God requires, it always went well beyond the limits of the Ten Commandments. Hence, keeping the Sabbath holy went beyond its appointed day & requirements, it pointed to the perfect rest both believing Jew & Gentile could enjoy IN CHRIST, & not in the regulated Law. If one believes that it's necessary to strictly maintain the Sabbath of old, then we demonstrate a defective understanding of the whole Plan of God in sending us His Son & do despite to the Scriptures & that which was revealed to His servant, the apostle Paul.

    Every blessing.
  • Chris - in Reply on Psalms 72
    Page 1.

    Thank you for your response, Bro. Dan. So, as I gather, you do not make a distinction between the Old & New Covenants (i.e. the Law that was given & required of men (Jews) pre-Cross and what was accomplished & hence required of men (Jew & Gentile) post-Cross). You have well quoted Jesus' words & acts pertaining to the validity & obedience to the given Law and I have absolutely no problem in what He said & how you understand & apply it. The problem arises when the Cross comes to bear upon us now. The Scriptures you've shared have bearing on the Old Covenant, that which the Jews were under & Jesus clearly spoke about its validity.

    Then the crucifixion took place which was much more than a payment of a penalty for our sins & a substitutionary sacrifice: it also made null & void the given Law, the whole Law, "Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross" (Colossians 2:14). Some suggest that this verse doesn't apply to the Ten Commandments but only to the ceremonial laws. They believe that those of us, who supposedly consider the commandments as of no consequence, are in error, but are in fact in error themselves.

    "Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good." Romans 7:12. There was nothing wrong or defective in the given Laws: they were simply given for a time awaiting the better covenant: "But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises. For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second." (Hebrews 8:6,7).


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