Bible Discussion PAGE 11

  • Mishael - in Reply on Ecclesiasticus 1
    Wisdom is personified as a woman in Proverbs 1:20-21; 2:2-4; 3:14-18; 4:7-8; 8:1-36 and 9:1-12. Each time wisdom speaks. The first time wisdom speaks is in Proverbs 1:20-21.

    Wisdom shouts in the street,

    She lifts her voice in the square;

    At the head of the noisy streets she cries out;

    At the entrance of the gates in the city she utters her sayings: Proverbs 1:20-21 (NASB)

    The Hebrew word for wisdom is hakmot and this noun is a feminine plural. A literal reading would seem to be "Wisdom shouts in the street," except that the second line is in the singular - "she lifts her voice." F. C. Cook writes,

    In the Hebrew the noun is a feminine plural . . . as though this Wisdom were the queen of all wisdoms, uniting in herself all their excellences.[1]

    That is, since Proverbs 2:6 says that God gives wisdom, the wisdom in Proverbs is the queen of all wisdoms. There is no greater wisdom.

    comment: I don't think proverbs 31 means wisdom is a heavenly female creature. My opinion. It is the way Solomon (had 900 wives;300 concubines) described wisdom. Possibly Jewish literature would address this?

    I don't know.
  • Rick - in Reply on Ecclesiasticus 1
    Hello Betty In James 3:13-17 gives a good summary of wisdom verse 17[correct application of information given] from

    above and from below 14-16[incorrection usage of knowledge]. The word she biblically is at times used of the item

    itself, I think of a man that loves something that's worked well i.e. car, tool etc. Wisdom she is worth great treasure to

    those who love her and apply. It is very interesting that in nerse 17 there are eight manifested or shown in someones walk of Gods wisdom and 8 biblically signifies spiritual perfection. These are trsaits in people who endeavor to walk

    in Christ Jesus via the spirit.

    God Bless
  • Alex N - in Reply
    Gi Gi no offence i love ya in Christ Jesus . John 14 : 12 But our Lord tells us that if any man believe in me and the works that i do these works shall he do and GREATER shall he do. Was our Lord being blasphemous ? He also tells us the very Kingdom of God is gonna be with in us . And to whom the word came it made them Gods. God says he wd walk in them and talk in them and be their God and we wd be his ppl . Even bro. Paul says its not I that live but Christ that lives with in me . so we will be saviors , Is there any thing too hard for God .
  • Pat
    I could use some help finding any verses in the Bible in reference to witnessing, the one I'm looking for talks about if we tell them and they don't accept the Lord then their blood is on them but if we don't tell them their blood is on us. I know it's not word for word. I really want to use the verses to witness. Thanks for any help

    God bless !
  • Hello, my question is why does Esther fear death and what is this passage trying to say? I am studying a book and it references "And laid away her glorious apparel, and put on the garments of anguish and mourning: and instead of precious ointments, she covered her head with ashes and dung, and she humbled her body greatly, and all the places of her joy she filled with her torn hair"
  • Amarin - in Reply on Ecclesiasticus 1
    Good question. Would someone with a very deep understanding of Biblical Hebrew and of the ancient Bible word usage to explain whether Wisdom is really feminine or whether the noun "Wisdom" is traditionally used as feminine for grammar inflection to show gender (and what does that mean).
  • David on Leviticus 18
    Adam, thank you and well said. Cynthia, pick up a Bible, please. Interested in the "science" of lgbt. I will pray for you that Jesus will fill your life.
  • Betty Harrison on Ecclesiasticus 1
    What is wisdom that it is referred to as a female, her or she? What is the connection between God and wisdom?
  • Chris - in Reply
    Page 2.

    b. Page 5 of the article: I understand that Ironside is stating that our perseverance in the faith is not according to the power of our mind or will, but in concert with the Holy Spirit's enabling & persevering with us. God in us will do everything to enable His child to live for Him, deal with sin as it confronts us & walk as the redeemed of God. If I lived in such a manner in my own power, I would certainly fail as the flesh cannot combat the spiritual forces working against me - it has to be the Holy Spirit that empowers us ( Philippians 2:13; Ephesians 3:20). But if we're not 'committed to living the Christian life' in unabashed rampant sin, then the question remains, 'are we even saved'? Would God be so gracious to send forth His Spirit to reside in us to seal & secure us, & then say, 'O dear, I think I erred, let's get back out of that residence?' And if we then come to our senses & repent, that His Spirit returns back to us - maybe again & again? I never see the Spirit's movement as that of a yo-yo - once residing in the truly saved person, He's there to stay & keeps us saved & living for the Lord. That's why it behoves us never to judge one another - we simply cannot know another's spiritual condition with all certainty - but the Lord knows those who are His.

    c. Page 7: Here, Ironside speaks of having eternal life now, "I am a Christian now if I believe on the Lord Jesus Christ; believing on Him I have eternal life". He then says that he has it in a dying body, waiting for the redemption of that body. When that body sees its (completed) redemption, he will experience that eternal life (he had on Earth) in all its fullness "spirit, soul and body, entirely conformed to Christ". It is in this sense, that he has hope of eternal life - not just the assurance when on Earth, but now in fullness, with the Lord ( 1 John 5:11-13; Ephesians 1:4-14).

    Every blessing brother.
  • Chris - in Reply
    Page 1.

    Brother Dan. I'm glad that you found the time to go through that article. To that end & in light of your comments, I would add or clarify:

    a. Your quote of Page 4 of Ironside's article: God our Father & Jesus our Judge. I understand that God deals with His children as just that - His children, as those adopted into His family through His Son. We can never be judged again for our sins - we faced judgement when we came to the Cross & gazed upon the crucified One, trusting Him to bear our sins & reconcile us to God. Now judgement remains for those who reject the offer of salvation. As sons, He will chastise us (even as a good father would - Hebrews 12:5-11), whether that gentle warning or more severe dealing with, that we may realize our error & come back into sweet fellowship. The only time we see Jesus as our Judge, is at His Judgement Seat (called, Bema) where rewards are given as per our earthly Christian conduct ( 2 Corinthians 5:10; cf 1 Corinthians 3:12-15) when the full worth of our Christian lives will pass by us. The judgement of the unsaved is certain ( Revelation 20:11-15) where even the good that they have done cannot save them.
  • T. Levis - in Reply on 2 Peter 2:20
    I'm not understanding your question/statement. I'm not sure which pastors you speak of. Riots that happened early 2020?

    Anti mask? Antivax? These five you've quoted Can't, in truth, be lumped together. Let's address the first 2.=

    GOD made us in HIS image, we reflect HIS glory, HE didn't create humanity with masks. HE created us with an immune system. We are to go about with unveiled faces. We are to live by faith & not fear. Many discussions have been had on this site about these issues.

    Revelations 21:8,

    Ecclesiastes 37:11, John 2:13-17

    USA We The People are the Governing Authority & by Duty, are required to right the "government" when they usurp their authority.

    The last 3 labels Antilove,- charity, ect, clearly are not of Christ.

    1John 4:18, 2 Timothy 3:15-17,

    Isaiah 26:3,

    Hopefully these are helpful in the heaviness you feel
  • Chris - in Reply
    Very true - thank you, GiGi. All too often, we neglect to "tremble in His Presence" & fail to "tremble at His Word". He may overlook our ignorance, but can He do likewise with our wilfulness? Humility is not only a trait seen before others, but especially whenever we approach the Throne of Grace & His precious Word.
  • Free - in Reply
    Dear friends in Jesus. Is it not so that Judas have heard the word spoken by Jesus from the beginning of the journey with the Lord?

    How is it possible to stand against the Word of God?

    Judas have also seen all the work of God what Jesus did. How is it possible to stand against the Lord?

    Could it have being any of the disciples who took food from the dish, that the devil get in to? No.

    Or is this a huge picture of what money can do to ppl? Do we reely want money then and get stinginess?

    I belive we can turn away from that issue, and we can be saved.

    Acts 1:25

    That he may take part of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place.

    In my KJV translation is might omitted. So its like this 25) to get part in this ministry the apostolic work that Judas abused, so he could go to his own place.

    He was chosen by the Lord, Judas was a Apostle like the others, for sure the King loved him. He had no choice on this question it was predetermined. Someone had to do it unfortunately.

    John 17:12

    While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.

    So i belive Judas have a place, but if its Judas Jesus talking about here, then he is lost.
  • Earl Bowman - in Reply
    Brother Adam:

    Philippians 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee shall bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

    Philippians 2:11 And every tongue should confess that Jesus is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

    You said when this happens you are saved.

    All mankind, at some point in this age or in the ages to come, is going to bow the knee and confess Jesus is Lord, therefore all mankind will be saved.

    Romans 14:11

    Isaiah 45:23

    Man cannot be in HELL and also CONFESSING JESUS IS LORD.
  • Raymond T. hammond sr
    Scriptures on Israel being oppressed by Greece

    Thank you
  • T. Levis - in Reply on Luke 13
    I felt led to add. Years ago, I actually tried to observe the Sabbath as a Christian who never had beforehand. I learned much

    1. to observe a Sabbath: you really have to plan

    2 someone has to prepare beforehand

    3. Shop for things beforehand

    4. It opened my understanding of the scripture & GOD's compassion

    Here are multiple scriptures on the Sabbath :

    Genesis 2:2,3 (set Sabbath apart), Exodus 16:19-30 (significant differece on Sabbath) , * Exodus 23:11, Exodus 20:11 (blessed & set apart), * Exodus 23:12, Exodus 31:15, Exodus 34:21, Exodus 35:2, Leviticus 16:29-34 (atonement), Leviticus 23:1-10, (seventh day & Passover), * Leviticus 23:21-22, Leviticus 23:27-29 (atonement), Leviticus 23:28-32, * Deuteronomy 5:14, 2 Chronicles 2:4 (forever to Israel), * Isaiah 1:11-18, * Isaiah 56:1-8, * Isaiah 58:6-14,

    Jesus observed Matthew 12:8, Mark 1:21, Mark 6:2, Mark 15:42, Luke 4:16,

    Jesus set examples on Sabbath * Matthew 12, * Mark 2, * Mark 3, * Luke 6, & many more.

    * please note the (*s) these were scriptures that showed compassion & the importance to GOD. (Opposite: Luke 11:42-46 hypocrisy)

    By observing the Sabbath do we= Matthew 25:31-46,
  • Earl Bowman - in Reply
    Sister GiGi, I quoted scripture;

    Obadiah 1:21 And saviours shall come upon mount Zion to JUDGE the mount of Esau, and the kingdom shall be the LORD'S.

    We are being created in the image of Christ, we will be exactly like him and will judge exactly like him.

    Do you believe the saints are going to judge the word.

    Psalms 149:9 To execute upon them the JUDGEMENT WRITTEN: this honour hath all the saints.

    God Bless You!
  • Earl Bowman - in Reply on Genesis 6
    Sister GiGi. I don't have to study those doctrines, I was taught and raised to believe those doctrines, and did believe them from the time I was about 15 years old until I was about 68 years old. God cause me through circumstances he brought about to do nothing but study his word form morning to night, seven days a week, for five and a half years. I no longer believe man has free will, I no longer believe in a trinity, I believe there is a Father and a Son(s), I no longer believe that most of mankind will go to hell; but, believe Jesus was sent by the Father to save the world and the son will not fail in that commission of his Father. You are right, our beliefs will determine whether we are the ones judging the world with Christ, or the ones being judged by Christ and his elect.
  • GiGi again - in Reply
    I mean Earl, again, saying we will be saviors is blasphemous. There is only one Savior, the God/man Jesus Christ. No one else is a God/man but Hiim.
  • GiGi - in Reply on Psalms 139
    Oh, Gerry, I am sorry that your cat companion is missing. I pray that this cat will find its way home to you once again soon. Our pets five us so much solace in hard times. Having a stroke is life changing! My friend had hers at age 38. it as been 27 years now. She definitely taught me to have a thankful spirit, as she has had, even though she struggles with depression as does her husband and children. She has had a rough go of life, but is an inspiration to me to work at being cheerful and grateful in all circumstances. I hope you can find such a place of mind as this amidst your troubles.

    What is your kitty's name?
  • Adam - in Reply
    Hi Earl,

    Did you post this in attempt to counter a post I made a few hours ago?

    Is it possible that you are confusing God's unconditional love for us with conditional salvation?

    The verses you shared are great, but don't support an unconditional salvation.

    Salvation has always been conditional, because it requires action on our part. This was the key point of nearly all the parables Jesus spoke. How to be saved. Being saved means to be saved from something that would otherwise happen. Do nothing = not saved. Follow Jesus = saved. Following Jesus means reading the Word and following the teachings, such as...

    Romans 10:9 says "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved."

    It says "If..." you do these things "...thou shalt be saved."

    That is a condition. If it was not a condition, then the word "if" would not have been used. If what you're saying is true that this is not a condition then would have said to do nothing or whatever you want, because you're saved regardless. But it doesn't say that. It says the opposite of that. The Bible has many conditions. It's easy to understand what a condition is by the format: If... [you do something] then [this is the result]. In programming, an If... then... statement is called a conditional statement. That's the literal definition of

    If I remember right, Earl, do you not believe in hell? If my memory is correct on that, then what is the purpose of salvation? What would you be saved FROM? The whole purpose of salvation is to be saved from hell. Even a secular dictionary gives the definition of salvation as "preservation from destruction or failure."

    I'm not sure if anything I wrote will influence your opinion whatsoever, but at least I will have tried. God bless.
  • GiGi again - in Reply
    David and Jesse, Great exchange!

    We have been given all of our senses, and faculties of mind (thought, reason), and our souls, to experience and know what God has revealed to us. When the Spirit regenerates us, we then have the spiritual ability to truly understand these revelations because the Holy Spirit resides in us to teach and guide us, to correct and discipline us, to sanctify and change us, to attest in us the Truth of God, and to warn us when we are not following revealed Truth.
  • GiGi again - in Reply
    Alex, saying that we will be saviors is blasphemous.
  • Gigi - in Reply
    Thank you, Chris, for your statement here. You have defined the problem with such doctrines espoused by people such as these well. I guess, for me, having been on this site for only a month, perhaps the best place to start when processing divergent beliefs about vital topics is to go back to the basics and the beginning. "In the beginning God created.." Determining Who God is and what He is like is the foundation of our faith. If we get that wrong, we will get it wrong about Jesus and the salvation He won for us. So, I encourage everyone on here to go back to the basics and the beginning, and lay the foundation of our faith as Christians on what is true about the God we trust, love, and serve.

    You have done a loving thing to address these people in this manner.
  • Cowboy - in Reply on Genesis 1
    Thomas

    Yes, there were giants in the earth or on the earth. These giants were from the sons of God, these sons of God were angels. When God created Adam God made Adam in his image. So, Adam was one of the sons of God. Genesis 6: 2 tells us that the sons of God took them wives of all which they chose. The Angels have a freewill just as you do, they can choose to serve God are not, just as humans can choose to serve God are not, and if a human or angel refuses to serve God the angel is sent to the bottomless pit chained, and the human that refuses to serve God when he dies is sent to hell.

    Genesis 6: 1- 6

    1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,

    2That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

    3And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

    4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

    5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

    6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.

    God Bless

    stay prayed up and ready to go up

    cowboy
  • GiGi - in Reply on Genesis 6
    Earl,

    I do not believe that Jesus was only a man and that He received the Holy Spirit at His baptism. I do not believe that He was only a man that was filled with God at His baptism. These views have been denounced as heresies throughout the centuries. To believe that Jesus was only human, then such belief denies that He was divine, as well from birth. Denying the divinity of Jesus denies that He pre-existed for all of eternity in the Trinitarian Godhead for all eternity and never had a beginning as God the Son. If Jesus died as only a human, His sacrifice could only reconcile man to man, not man to God. But, the church has affirmed that Jesus was fully human and fully divine in one nature (without mixing the natures to become a third type of nature). It is this human/divine nature that made his sacrifice efficacious for mankind by being a perfectly sinless man and perfectly and equally divine Son of God, (as the Father and the Spirit are perfectly and equally divine) He was able to satisfy what God required of man to be in right relationship with God (which no other human can be) and being divine, He is able to reconcile us to God and raise up us up to have union with God, as He promised at the Last Supper as He prayed. John 17:20-23. Christian orthodox teaching has stated that our Savior is equally human and divine because that is what was necessary for mankind to be fully redeemed to what God willed for us to become in Him.

    Earl, I know that we will agree to disagree on this, but I do think that it is vital for believers to know correct doctrine, and I contend for the orthodox teachings of the church because it is important to refute heretical ideas. We cannot both be correct in this. If you are willing, you may want to study the various heresies rejected by the church over the centuries concerning the nature of Jesus Christ as to what the heretics taught about this topic, and what the church pointed out as the error in the heretics teaching.

    Blessings, always.
  • Leland Kendrick md - in Reply
    I have to disagree with you

    Judas said he betrayed and innocent man and repented

    He returned the money and left

    And hung himself

    He could not accept what he did

    But you forget Jesus said that what Judas did had to happen to fulfill the scriptures

    The priest buried the money in the field that judas hanged himself

    How long did hang on that tree

    Neither you or me know that

    But after death the body will decay fast

    You first recognize you are a sinnner

    Then repent

    Do you or anyone know that Judas was forgiven by Jesus Christ

    No

    But I believe Jesus loved everyone

    Jesus is god

    Much bigger than you or I

    Where do you see in Bible that Judas was always possessed with the devil

    Read the Bible that at the moment Judas dipped there hands in the bowl

    Satan immediately entered into Judas

    So he was not there before

    Jesus was beaten spit on and had to carry his own cross he was nailed to the cross and buried and arose in three days

    He suffered in hell for 3 days

    For us who are all sinners

    Remember the man on the cross Jesus said today you will be with me in paradise

    God the father god the son and the Holy Spirit are the same

    So Judas is the only person who could not be forgiven

    You see I am only asking a question

    Not challenging gods word

    I am a Christian and love god with all my heart with all my soul with all my mind

    And Thank god giving me the privilege of being a physician to serve god in that compasity

    I hate the thought of anyone going to hell

    So do I known the way Judas went

    I believe in redemption

    We all will know one day

    I just want everyone will go to heaven

    But god gave us free will

    All I can do is pray for the lost

    And witness

    God will judge all the unrighteousness

    One day

    I know without a doubt Jesus saved me

    Can I not wish the same for all of us sinners

    I am under not illusion that there is a hell

    Bless you my brother in Jesus Christ

    Have a wonderful Christmas
  • T. Levis - in Reply
    Isaiah 58:1-14,
  • T. Levis - in Reply
    I believe you're asking for references in scripture for: 2 Esdras 15:3 , Psalm 37, Psalm 2:1, Psalm 21:8,11, hopefully these are helpful
  • Chris - in Reply on Genesis 1
    Brother Rick, using either 'devils' or 'demons' is quite acceptable as the meaning is the same. It's just that the older translations (KJV, Tyndale Bible, Geneva Bible, etc.) use 'devils', whereas the newer translations use 'demons'. Maybe this was done to allay any misunderstanding between the devil himself & his 'demons', as some might think of 'devils' as many of the same hierarchy & control as Satan. Personally, I wouldn't judge anyone for choosing 'demon' to correctly describe those evil spirits that followed Satan & do his works on the Earth.


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