As you asked, (I like you try to keep comment short). I claim to know nothing and when I go to the Bible, I do my best to not take anything with me with my head empty and my ears open. Dan. 10:13 Michael is one of the chief princes, how many there are we have not been told but Michael is the only one who is named, Jude, 1:9 Gabriel may also be an archangel. We have not been told all the hierarchy in heaven but there is only one Jesus who is above all that is in heaven and earth, Matt. 28:18.
Jesus is the only one, the only begotten Son, John 3:16, the king of kings and Lord of Lords Rev. 19:16. All the angels including all the archangels/princes were made to worship Jesus Hebrews 1:6. As the angel told John Rev. 19:10, angels are not worthy of worship. Revelation of Jesus given to Him by God that Jesus signified it by Jesus's angel to His servant John Rev. 1:1. Is Jesus's angel the same as we see in the OT, the angel of the Lord?
Jesus is not one of the archangels, He is the only begotten Son of God whom our Father sent into the world and who shed His blood for us, and only through his blood, we have the forgiveness of our sins.
As humans He created, we cannot attain to His infinite and boundless Holiness, but in Christ we will become perfected in the life to come to have perfect holy humanity without sin any longer. The angels are also holy and without sin, but they are creatures and thus not holy in the sense of being separate
Friend, its not God's holiness that in dispute here, but our inheritance in Christ, now in this life.
The holy, innocent, pure, blameless, unreproachable life of Christ is our inheritance Rom 8:29 becoming partakers of His Divine Nature, the Fruits of His Spirit which against such there is no law, In Christ, the Father withholds nothing of Himself from us, for Luke 12:32
Its is a perfection of holiness that can be added too, as one grows in knowledge & understanding through the appearance of Grace in our hearts 2Cor 4:6,7
It's known, felt, consummated & possess in this life & is rewarded in the next. 2 Timothy 4:7,8
Christ prayer is answered John 17:21-24
Holiness is none other than being engrafted into God, union & oneness with Him in heart, mind & soul, for He along is Holy
This is the greatness of the salvation Christ purchase, that Hebrews declares "ought not to be neglected".
For 1Thessalonians 4:72Thessalonians 2:13,14
G4047 Obtaining: acquisition, possession (the act or the thing); by extension, preservation, peculiar, purchased, possession, saving.
Concerning angels Mark 8:28
G40- most holy, consecrated
They are separated, Rev 19:10 "I am thy fellowservant, & of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus, worship God"
Your quote is unscriptural,
you are advocating a life of continuous in sin & repentance for life term, there's no fellowship, union or knowing Him in this state according to Scriptures, this teaching becomes a stumbling block to the babes in Christ, Whom God is leading in the Way of holiness, your directly contradicting the teaching of Christ who says deny self & "sin not" & put on the Lord Jesus Christ.
Going to the enemies camp! Go get them...Go and do what the LORD has called You to do.
1 Samuel 30:8
And David enquired at the LORD, saying, Shall I pursue after this troop? shall I overtake them? And he answered him, Pursue: for thou shalt surely overtake them, and without fail recover all.
James 2:5
Hearken, my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that love him?
Matthew 11:5
The blind receive their sight, and the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, and the deaf hear, the dead are raised up, and the poor have the gospel preached to them.
Luke 4:18
The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
Be the voice, Be Christlike, and keeping on Striving. God Bless You all.
discern perceive glimpse catch/get a glimpse of spot,notice,catch sight of,sight make out pick out spy distinguish identify recognize detect note mark clap/lay/set eyes on clock behold descry espy
be or become aware of something from observation or from a written or other visual source.
2.
discern or deduce mentally after reflection or from information; understand.
"I can't see any other way to treat it"
3.
experience or witness (an event or situation).
"I shall not live to see it"
4.
meet (someone one knows) socially or by chance.
"I saw Colin last night"
5.
escort or conduct (someone) to a specified place.
"don't bother seeing me out"
6.
ensure.
"Lucy saw to it that everyone got enough to eat"
world, all, made/make, fast, lost (check how many meaning these words have in Hebrew, Greek and English (just need the English definition really) ,give each word its proper meaning in context.
Prodigal son (lost:astray losts ones way)
Word is hid his from those that are lost (lost:parished)
Freda, so good to hear from you again. I will continue to pray for you and thanks for giving us details as to what youor needs are to help us with our prayers.
I can understand where you are coming from in your view of God's form and I can not say that this is not so or He may take a form to sit on His throne and may look like us in this form. But this form may not be what He is like in His essential nature.
Thank you for you input. I may be wrong, but to me it seems that having a body like ours would put limits on God, and I think that He is not bound by any limits as part of His filling all.
We constantly grow in the grace and knowledge of God, only in his time frame, his appointed time to each of his children.
I think there is enough evidence through out the word of God that shows Christ is the angel of the Lord.
Acts 27:23 And there stood before me this night the ANGEL of the Lord, whose I am, and whom I serve.
We serve Christ, the angel (messenger) of the Lord (God).
Galatians 4:14 ....but received me as an angel of God, EVEN AS Jesus Christ.
Isaiah 63:9 In all their (creations) affections he (Christ) was afflicted, and the ANGEL of HIS (God's) presence SAVED them, in his (God's) love and his (God's) pity he (God) redeemed (through Christ, God's does all things through Christ) and bare them, and
carried them all the days of old.
There is many more scriptures, I like you try to keep comment short.
God BLESS YOU as we grow together in the knowledge of God.
Ephesians 4:4 ...ONE body ... ONE Spirit ....
Ephesians 4:5 ..... ONE God ..... Father of ALL .... even angels .... above all ..... through you all .... and IN YOU ALL .....even angels.
1 Corinthians 15:28 ..... that God may be ALL in ALL .....even angels .....
Psalms 103:20 ....ye HIS ANGELS ......
Romans 8:29 ...conformed to the IMAGE of HIS SON ....
Luke 20:36 Neither can they died anymore, for they are EQUAL to the ANGELS (Christ being the angel of the Lord, and they were resurrected in his image), and are the children of God, being the children of the RESURRECTION.
Hi brother Ronald, how are you doing? How's it going for you? You came into my thoughts right now so I want you to know that I have not forgotten about you.
I love you my brother from your sister in Christ. God bless you
May I add a little bit of my understanding to your understanding, which are parallel to each other.
We are taught by God, the Spirit of truth and life that gives us existence.
God is Spirit, invisible, yet he wants to be known and seen, so he created a BODY, and he called that MAN Christ (Adam) the beginning of creation.
Through that MAN, Christ. he does ALL THE WORKS of the Almighty God, so truth and life CAN BE SEEN.
Christ can appear in a body of flesh, or he can be the SPIRIT of prophecy, he is omnipresent as is his Father.
We cannot exist without the SPIRIT of God, through Christ, giving us LIFE, just as Christ, a BODY, cannot exist without the Spirit of his Father giving him LIFE.
Christ commended HIS Spirit, the Spirit of HIS Father back to God who gave him LIFE, thus his body DIED on the cross, for the SALVATION of God's creation.
When God put his Spirit back into Christ he RESURRECTED all creation ANEW, the IMAGE of GOD, the body of Christ.
When we are MATURE in the TRUTH and LIFE of God, Christ will sent his angels to harvest us, in the twinkling of an eye we will PUT ON CHRIST, the express IMAGE and GLORY of GOD.
Christ told his disciples I go to prepare a place for you, that where I am, there will you be also.
At present Christ is indwelling creation revealing the KINGDOM of God to creation.
Isaiah 63:9 ...and the ANGEL of HIS presence SAVED them ....
Colossians 1:27 ... thist mystery .... CHRIST IN YOU ......
That where I am ye may be also.
Revelation 10:11 ... Thou must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings.
Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and TEACH ALL NATION, BAPTIZING in the NAME .....
His disciples never understood till pentecost that they would not be able to TEACH ALL NATION, until they had been harvested and become the express IMAGE and Glory of God, all by the WORKS of Christ RESURRECTION.
Although my answer was not directly answered as you preferred, I stated that I did not believe anything the ego speaks. That leaves only one remaining choice , in my opinion. The Holy Spirit and the ego (the devil to you, I assume) are the only choices open to us. God created one, and so we cannot eradicate it. We made the other, and so we can. Only what God creates is irreversible and unchangeable. What we made can always be changed because, when we do not think like
God, we are not really thinking at all.
Personally, I haven't read a bible that says, "Jesus Christ is a liar". I do believe though, it is likely there are mistakes in them. This is why the Holy Spirit Who is the Voice for God is my Authority.
Of course Truth matters, Jimbob; as I clearly stated in my previous comment. You might want to reconsider that everything we say and do, no matter what the topic or situation, has a direct relation to our thought system. Where else would it come from but the mind, which is what we think with?
Your desire to show the truth is obvious, and I've encouraged you to exercise this gift. Yet none of us have knowledge, because knowledge is all one and has no separate parts; we either know or we don't. Until we are in the Kingdom, we merely perceive with a right mind or wrong mind, with seemingly endless degrees of perception between. As I've said before, perception can always be wrong. My perception is not perfect as yet, I admit. Because I have one desire and you have another does not mean I'm judging you.
The reason I prefer to have God bless all, even though they seem to ignore and push aside truth, is because I'm certain I'm in no position to judge another's heart. I don't know any man's entire past, present, or future; don't want to: no peace in that. I'd rather judge God's Creation innocent, and trust the Holy Spirit to do His thing.
Bear in mind, archangel means "over the angels", doesn't mean an angel. Chief messenger, so to speak. When Christ returns, the shout of the archangel is a reference to a military command in which all of the angels obey the order of the Chief. Matthew 13:39.. the reapers are the angels.
Please my friend, how could a Child of God offend me; perhaps on a very bad day. You've never offended me. Sometimes it seems we offend each other because it's difficult to perceive our tone, and of course we can't see our expressions. I have tried to communicate with you as carefully as possible, and hope I have not offended you.
I choose to think neither of us desires to offend each other.
Is Jesus Michael the archangel? I have heard this from the Jehovah's Witnesses. Some say the angel of the LORD were manifestations of Jesus before His incarnation, but Jesus is not an angel.
Michael is the only angel specifically called an archangel, Jude 1:9. Michael is the chief prince who stands up for Israel, Daniel 10:13,21Daniel 12:1. We see that Michael and his angels battle the dragon/Satan and his angels and cast them down to earth out of heaven with no place found for them anymore in heaven for them, Revelation 12:7-8.
We see in 1 Thessalonians 4:15 that when Jesus returns it will be announced by a shout, by the voice of the archangel, I understand that as Michael.
Jesus is the Son of God, our Lord who gave his life and shed His blood for us. Jesus's name is above all, Ephesians 1:21 including Michael. At the burning bush, it was the angel of the LORD, it does not say what angel it was.
Heb. 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
My understanding Jesus is not any kind of angel, Michael was probably the angel of the LORD we see in the OT because Michael is the chief prince of Israel and Michael will announce Jesus's second coming.
I am not confused by 1 John 5:7, but you have to included 1 John 5:8 to come to truth.
There are three that bear record in heaven and three that bear record on earth, that makes SIX that are ONE.
The three that bear record in heaven is GOD: God is the Father, God is the Word and God is the Holy Ghost, they are just different references to GOD, they are ONE.
The three that bear record on earth is CHRIST: Christ the Spirit, Christ the water, and Christ the blood, they are just different references to CHRIST, they are ONE.
God bears record in heaven, Christ bears record on earth, TWO not THREE, otherwise it is SIX that are ONE.
OK, God is spirit, but don't spirits have a form, a specific appearance of their own? Yes spirits can take any form they like, but again don't they have an image, a form of their own? Spirits are a fluid thing? Clouds or something like that? I don't really think so.
My belief is that He does look like people, or better we were made to look like Him. God gave something of His own when He created Adam, something that is a part of His Spirit, when He breathed into Adam's nostrils. So man was created in His image. Spiritually yes, but not physically? Of course physically as well. Why not? Why only spiritually but not physicaly? There isn't any reason for not making us similar to Him. To be honest I can not imagine something without a form, like a "mountain" or a "cloud" sitting on a throne. A cloud surrounded by other clouds, the angels. Something that looks like those weird looks of aliens in science fiction movies. I want to believe that in Heaven we will look at His beautiful eyes, His beautiful face(the most beautiful face in the universe), hearing His beautiful voice, feeling the touch of His beautiful hands, walking side by side with Him. God honored us by making us in his image, both in the outside and the inside. This is how I believe it is.
Some comments about God. I will repeat some of your comments and add some more, what I understand of Him.
God is invisible. No man has ever seen God, nor he can because they will die.
So do we know anything about God or not, or do we know God or not? Has anybody gone up there and saw Him, and His surroundings, has anybody talked to Him face to face to tell us something about Him? How does He really look like? How is His character? What is He like really?
Although God has revealed to people in the OT many things about Himself, it seems those were not enough for us to have a relatively good knowledge of Him. Only some general things about Him.
In John 1:18 Jesus says,, "No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him"
So it was Jesus who told us everything about God. Actually everybody who gets to know Jesus, he actually gets to know Father as well, since they are completely indentical, in character, power, nature ..., everything. Like Jesus said to Phillip the one who sees Jesus has seen God the Father Himself. Of course Jesus doesn't mean here the external appearance of God.
There is a very nice verse in Hebrews 1:2-3
"2. Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds
3. Who (Jesus) being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;"
Jesus is the visible brightness of the invisible glory of God, He is the express image of the invible image of God. After all that how can one claim that Jesus is not God?
But how is God's external appearance. The truth is that we don't know. Some say His is like a man, taking into account some descriptions in the Bible. Others say that He only uses such expressions for Himself to make us feel comfortable with Him.
I do thank you for your comments. I didn't mean to offend you with that question but to me its really that simple.
If we don't believe that God preserved His Word for ever like He promised us in His Word, then what is our final authority?
The Word of God has to be our final authority, but if its modern version bibles then which one would that be? They are all different. And how can we trust a bible that calls Jesus Christ a liar?
The Truth does matter One eighty, I have shown many posts that has nothing to do with my thought system, and surely not my opinion but has shown modern version bibles to be doctrine that is not sound doctrine, but corrupt doctrine.
You said "Of course truth matters; I don't think anyone would be on this site if it didn't". There is much deception in this world today, ( Mt 7:15) "false prophets which come to you in sheep's clothing". ( Mt 24:11) "And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many". And in ( 2 Cor 11:13-15) The word (ministers) speaking of Satan's minsters in v15 are disguised as Christian teachers and pastors. The word (transformed) is #3345; it means to transfigure or disguise.
You have a desire to teach peace, that's a great thing for one to teach in this time period we live in today, that will help many.
I have a desire to show the Truth One eighty, and there are a few subjects that are very important to show the Truth in the Word of God by using Scripture. The inspired preserved Word of God is one of those subjects, And as I'm sure you can see there is deception in almost everything today.
The reason I say "God Bless all who seek His Truth" is that it truly seems today that many people ignore, or just push aside the Truth like it has no meaning when it is presented straight from the Word of God. Some of that on this subject would be caused by a belief and trust in modern version bibles.
Again I did not mean to offend you.
God Bless you and all who seek His Truth, (and everybody else) for One eighty.
Adam, hey.. one thing to keep in mind concerning the pharisee view of the sabbath. Jesus didn't "violate" the sabbath, he did however, violate their man made restrictions added on to the commandment. He intentionally walked through the discouraging "traditions" that they were requiring people to obey, causing it to be a burden rather than the blessing it was intended to be.
PS: I forgot to tell you that I do use Bible Hub, in fact, I used it when I did my comparison studies. When the commentator, for example, compared a verse in the KJB and the NIV I would go to Bible Hub to be sure it actually said what the commentator said. They were right 95% of the time but there were a few times that they were incorrect. Bye again Ann
As usual better insight than I have given. Probably better for you to continue this more than me.
I thought about you; actually talking to an old lady in my church who apparently was told from a very young age that she was gifted in teaching. She went on to have many adopted kids and apparently teach some Sunday school stuff like you did.
Hope your relative is doing better than last week (Vivian I think her name was).
Thank you so much for your warm welcome. I will reply soon with my studies. The verses you listed do tell the prophecy of this happening and I have a thought of why the world is so taken with these new versions. It isn't so much they can't understand the KJB, as they are to lazy to study for themselves, as God admonishes us to do. They would rather make excuses and let man do it for them. It's silly, also, since the KJB was written on an 8th or 9th grade level, that they "can't read it or understand it." I believe since the devil couldn't tempt most Christians to not read their bible he introduced these modern versions to do it this way and it is very successful. Also, people on YouTube are asking the YouTuber what version they should use, some even saying all the different versions are confusing to them and making it hard for them to choose, so they go to man, to help them deside instead of asking God.
Would you mind telling me your testimony in becoming a Christian? I am very interested.
Now on to study. I'll talk to you later. Have a blessed day. Ann
Yes, Christ is the arch angel. Christ is the angel of the Lord, of the Old Testament, Christ is the fire that appeared in the burning bush, Christ is the rock in the wilderness that provided water for his children, Christ is the word that that brings TRUTH and LIFE to his children.
If Jesus returned to earth today and did healings and works on the Sabbath, would we accuse Him of violating this commandment?
Because that's what Pharisees did in Jesus's time, and Jesus had a response to that which was interesting. Did Jesus actually violate that commandment? No, and He explained why, including Mark 2:27. He said he didn't come to abolish the law but fulfill it. Notice it wasn't other commandments He was accused of breaking, just that one. It should be no surprise that Christians have different takes on this and it doesn't automatically mean each has impure motives. Picking grain or helping an elderly person on Saturday seems very different in severity than committing adultery. So, I think well meaning Christians who only follow 9 of the 10 commandments will be judged fairly, and I think Christians who follow 10 of 10 commandments will be judged fairly. God knows our heart.
The sabbath commandment is a little bit in question based on what Jesus said and did during that time. Had this not been included in the Bible, I think 10 of 10 commandments would be seen as equal. I personally try to honor the sabbath, but am not 100% clear on what 'work' is sometimes. For example some may view typing a comment as a 'work' and some may not. I also think that being too consumed with analyzing this if it results in losing focus on following Jesus would defeat the purpose. We are to obey Jesus, but not like pharisees. That is my opinion. God bless.
Pg 2: since the page I was just writing was submitted without any intention of submitting at that time.
To continue: Of course truth matters; I don't think anyone would be on this site if it didn't.
God bless you, all who seek His Truth; AND all who don't, for THEY need His blessings in the same manner. Let us continue to pray for our perceived enemies whom we perceive as going against the Word of God. Let us do so, so that they can become our friends.
Yes and don't forget Matt. 5:19-20 which not only states that those who obey and teach the 10 Commandments will be considered greatest in the Kingdom of Heaven, but also states that our righteousness must 'exceed' that of the scribes and Pharisees of that day. Sadly, today's modern pastors and preachers don't even come close.
The teachers of the Law in Jesus' day taught the 10 Commandments but didn't follow any of them ( Matt. 23:1-3), but our woeful excuse for teachers today teach that we should NOT keep God's Law - that it is some form of sin to do so.
What a shame. They shall in 'no way' enter into the Kingdom of Heaven as they teach that those who obey will be, heaven forbid, sent to hell by God ... 'for obeying Him.'
They are given a massive stage and a forum to reach many, many people and do they feed them? No, they do not. They poison them with lies of the devil and lead hundreds of millions, if not billions, to their destruction.
May I ask, do you set aside Saturday as the sabbath as the 4th commandment says? I am not part of an denomination that worships on Saturday."
Yes, I set aside Saturday as the Biblical Sabbath and treat it much differently than any other day that I worship according to Gen. 2:2-3 and many other passages in Scripture, including Jesus' definitive teachings of the 10 Commandments and His keeping of them in alignment with 1 Jn. 2:6.
I'm not part of any organized denomination as I have found that very few, if any, align their doctrines accurately with the Bible. I believe the ONLY way to find Truth in Scripture is to study it diligently on our own and pray for guidance via the Holy Spirit.
Regardless of what anyone believes, when one does that, they come to very different conclusions about what the Bible teaches concerning most of the main doctrines of modern mainstream churches today. That alone should lead most to want to find out for themselves what God actually teaches in His Word.
"I honestly believe that in the end times God's true believers will use the KJV and worship, maybe even in secret, on Saturday. (not prophesying, just wondering :))"
I believe we are living in that time now. It is difficult to live by the 10 Commandments in this day and age, but it is not impossible as nothing is impossible with God and with strong faith and conviction. Nowhere in the Bible does it say that True Christians will have it easy, at any point in history.
As you asked, (I like you try to keep comment short). I claim to know nothing and when I go to the Bible, I do my best to not take anything with me with my head empty and my ears open. Dan. 10:13 Michael is one of the chief princes, how many there are we have not been told but Michael is the only one who is named, Jude, 1:9 Gabriel may also be an archangel. We have not been told all the hierarchy in heaven but there is only one Jesus who is above all that is in heaven and earth, Matt. 28:18.
Jesus is the only one, the only begotten Son, John 3:16, the king of kings and Lord of Lords Rev. 19:16. All the angels including all the archangels/princes were made to worship Jesus Hebrews 1:6. As the angel told John Rev. 19:10, angels are not worthy of worship. Revelation of Jesus given to Him by God that Jesus signified it by Jesus's angel to His servant John Rev. 1:1. Is Jesus's angel the same as we see in the OT, the angel of the Lord?
Jesus is not one of the archangels, He is the only begotten Son of God whom our Father sent into the world and who shed His blood for us, and only through his blood, we have the forgiveness of our sins.
God bless,
RLW
As humans He created, we cannot attain to His infinite and boundless Holiness, but in Christ we will become perfected in the life to come to have perfect holy humanity without sin any longer. The angels are also holy and without sin, but they are creatures and thus not holy in the sense of being separate
Friend, its not God's holiness that in dispute here, but our inheritance in Christ, now in this life.
The holy, innocent, pure, blameless, unreproachable life of Christ is our inheritance Rom 8:29 becoming partakers of His Divine Nature, the Fruits of His Spirit which against such there is no law, In Christ, the Father withholds nothing of Himself from us, for Luke 12:32
Its is a perfection of holiness that can be added too, as one grows in knowledge & understanding through the appearance of Grace in our hearts 2Cor 4:6,7
It's known, felt, consummated & possess in this life & is rewarded in the next. 2 Timothy 4:7,8
Christ prayer is answered John 17:21-24
Holiness is none other than being engrafted into God, union & oneness with Him in heart, mind & soul, for He along is Holy
This is the greatness of the salvation Christ purchase, that Hebrews declares "ought not to be neglected".
For 1Thessalonians 4:7 2Thessalonians 2:13,14
G4047 Obtaining: acquisition, possession (the act or the thing); by extension, preservation, peculiar, purchased, possession, saving.
Concerning angels Mark 8:28
G40- most holy, consecrated
They are separated, Rev 19:10 "I am thy fellowservant, & of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus, worship God"
Your quote is unscriptural,
you are advocating a life of continuous in sin & repentance for life term, there's no fellowship, union or knowing Him in this state according to Scriptures, this teaching becomes a stumbling block to the babes in Christ, Whom God is leading in the Way of holiness, your directly contradicting the teaching of Christ who says deny self & "sin not" & put on the Lord Jesus Christ.
1 Samuel 30:8
And David enquired at the LORD, saying, Shall I pursue after this troop? shall I overtake them? And he answered him, Pursue: for thou shalt surely overtake them, and without fail recover all.
James 2:5
Hearken, my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that love him?
Matthew 11:5
The blind receive their sight, and the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, and the deaf hear, the dead are raised up, and the poor have the gospel preached to them.
Luke 4:18
The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
Be the voice, Be Christlike, and keeping on Striving. God Bless You all.
1.
perceive with the eyes; discern visually.
"in the distance she could see the blue sea"
Similar:
discern perceive glimpse catch/get a glimpse of spot,notice,catch sight of,sight make out pick out spy distinguish identify recognize detect note mark clap/lay/set eyes on clock behold descry espy
be or become aware of something from observation or from a written or other visual source.
2.
discern or deduce mentally after reflection or from information; understand.
"I can't see any other way to treat it"
3.
experience or witness (an event or situation).
"I shall not live to see it"
4.
meet (someone one knows) socially or by chance.
"I saw Colin last night"
5.
escort or conduct (someone) to a specified place.
"don't bother seeing me out"
6.
ensure.
"Lucy saw to it that everyone got enough to eat"
world, all, made/make, fast, lost (check how many meaning these words have in Hebrew, Greek and English (just need the English definition really) ,give each word its proper meaning in context.
Prodigal son (lost:astray losts ones way)
Word is hid his from those that are lost (lost:parished)
Your perspective is good to hear and it causes me to think deeply on the topic being presented.
I can understand where you are coming from in your view of God's form and I can not say that this is not so or He may take a form to sit on His throne and may look like us in this form. But this form may not be what He is like in His essential nature.
Thank you for you input. I may be wrong, but to me it seems that having a body like ours would put limits on God, and I think that He is not bound by any limits as part of His filling all.
We constantly grow in the grace and knowledge of God, only in his time frame, his appointed time to each of his children.
I think there is enough evidence through out the word of God that shows Christ is the angel of the Lord.
Acts 27:23 And there stood before me this night the ANGEL of the Lord, whose I am, and whom I serve.
We serve Christ, the angel (messenger) of the Lord (God).
Galatians 4:14 ....but received me as an angel of God, EVEN AS Jesus Christ.
Isaiah 63:9 In all their (creations) affections he (Christ) was afflicted, and the ANGEL of HIS (God's) presence SAVED them, in his (God's) love and his (God's) pity he (God) redeemed (through Christ, God's does all things through Christ) and bare them, and
carried them all the days of old.
There is many more scriptures, I like you try to keep comment short.
God BLESS YOU as we grow together in the knowledge of God.
Ephesians 4:4 ...ONE body ... ONE Spirit ....
Ephesians 4:5 ..... ONE God ..... Father of ALL .... even angels .... above all ..... through you all .... and IN YOU ALL .....even angels.
1 Corinthians 15:28 ..... that God may be ALL in ALL .....even angels .....
Psalms 103:20 ....ye HIS ANGELS ......
Romans 8:29 ...conformed to the IMAGE of HIS SON ....
Luke 20:36 Neither can they died anymore, for they are EQUAL to the ANGELS (Christ being the angel of the Lord, and they were resurrected in his image), and are the children of God, being the children of the RESURRECTION.
God BLESS YOU!
I love you my brother from your sister in Christ. God bless you
May I add a little bit of my understanding to your understanding, which are parallel to each other.
We are taught by God, the Spirit of truth and life that gives us existence.
God is Spirit, invisible, yet he wants to be known and seen, so he created a BODY, and he called that MAN Christ (Adam) the beginning of creation.
Through that MAN, Christ. he does ALL THE WORKS of the Almighty God, so truth and life CAN BE SEEN.
Christ can appear in a body of flesh, or he can be the SPIRIT of prophecy, he is omnipresent as is his Father.
We cannot exist without the SPIRIT of God, through Christ, giving us LIFE, just as Christ, a BODY, cannot exist without the Spirit of his Father giving him LIFE.
Christ commended HIS Spirit, the Spirit of HIS Father back to God who gave him LIFE, thus his body DIED on the cross, for the SALVATION of God's creation.
When God put his Spirit back into Christ he RESURRECTED all creation ANEW, the IMAGE of GOD, the body of Christ.
When we are MATURE in the TRUTH and LIFE of God, Christ will sent his angels to harvest us, in the twinkling of an eye we will PUT ON CHRIST, the express IMAGE and GLORY of GOD.
Christ told his disciples I go to prepare a place for you, that where I am, there will you be also.
At present Christ is indwelling creation revealing the KINGDOM of God to creation.
Isaiah 63:9 ...and the ANGEL of HIS presence SAVED them ....
Colossians 1:27 ... thist mystery .... CHRIST IN YOU ......
That where I am ye may be also.
Revelation 10:11 ... Thou must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings.
Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and TEACH ALL NATION, BAPTIZING in the NAME .....
His disciples never understood till pentecost that they would not be able to TEACH ALL NATION, until they had been harvested and become the express IMAGE and Glory of God, all by the WORKS of Christ RESURRECTION.
God Bless YOU!
You didn't offend me in the least.
Although my answer was not directly answered as you preferred, I stated that I did not believe anything the ego speaks. That leaves only one remaining choice , in my opinion. The Holy Spirit and the ego (the devil to you, I assume) are the only choices open to us. God created one, and so we cannot eradicate it. We made the other, and so we can. Only what God creates is irreversible and unchangeable. What we made can always be changed because, when we do not think like
God, we are not really thinking at all.
Personally, I haven't read a bible that says, "Jesus Christ is a liar". I do believe though, it is likely there are mistakes in them. This is why the Holy Spirit Who is the Voice for God is my Authority.
Of course Truth matters, Jimbob; as I clearly stated in my previous comment. You might want to reconsider that everything we say and do, no matter what the topic or situation, has a direct relation to our thought system. Where else would it come from but the mind, which is what we think with?
Your desire to show the truth is obvious, and I've encouraged you to exercise this gift. Yet none of us have knowledge, because knowledge is all one and has no separate parts; we either know or we don't. Until we are in the Kingdom, we merely perceive with a right mind or wrong mind, with seemingly endless degrees of perception between. As I've said before, perception can always be wrong. My perception is not perfect as yet, I admit. Because I have one desire and you have another does not mean I'm judging you.
The reason I prefer to have God bless all, even though they seem to ignore and push aside truth, is because I'm certain I'm in no position to judge another's heart. I don't know any man's entire past, present, or future; don't want to: no peace in that. I'd rather judge God's Creation innocent, and trust the Holy Spirit to do His thing.
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Please my friend, how could a Child of God offend me; perhaps on a very bad day. You've never offended me. Sometimes it seems we offend each other because it's difficult to perceive our tone, and of course we can't see our expressions. I have tried to communicate with you as carefully as possible, and hope I have not offended you.
I choose to think neither of us desires to offend each other.
Peace
Is Jesus Michael the archangel? I have heard this from the Jehovah's Witnesses. Some say the angel of the LORD were manifestations of Jesus before His incarnation, but Jesus is not an angel.
Michael is the only angel specifically called an archangel, Jude 1:9. Michael is the chief prince who stands up for Israel, Daniel 10:13,21 Daniel 12:1. We see that Michael and his angels battle the dragon/Satan and his angels and cast them down to earth out of heaven with no place found for them anymore in heaven for them, Revelation 12:7-8.
We see in 1 Thessalonians 4:15 that when Jesus returns it will be announced by a shout, by the voice of the archangel, I understand that as Michael.
Jesus is the Son of God, our Lord who gave his life and shed His blood for us. Jesus's name is above all, Ephesians 1:21 including Michael. At the burning bush, it was the angel of the LORD, it does not say what angel it was.
Heb. 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
My understanding Jesus is not any kind of angel, Michael was probably the angel of the LORD we see in the OT because Michael is the chief prince of Israel and Michael will announce Jesus's second coming.
God bless,
RLW
I am not confused by 1 John 5:7, but you have to included 1 John 5:8 to come to truth.
There are three that bear record in heaven and three that bear record on earth, that makes SIX that are ONE.
The three that bear record in heaven is GOD: God is the Father, God is the Word and God is the Holy Ghost, they are just different references to GOD, they are ONE.
The three that bear record on earth is CHRIST: Christ the Spirit, Christ the water, and Christ the blood, they are just different references to CHRIST, they are ONE.
God bears record in heaven, Christ bears record on earth, TWO not THREE, otherwise it is SIX that are ONE.
God BLESS YOU!
God BLESS YOU!
So does God look like humans or not?
OK, God is spirit, but don't spirits have a form, a specific appearance of their own? Yes spirits can take any form they like, but again don't they have an image, a form of their own? Spirits are a fluid thing? Clouds or something like that? I don't really think so.
My belief is that He does look like people, or better we were made to look like Him. God gave something of His own when He created Adam, something that is a part of His Spirit, when He breathed into Adam's nostrils. So man was created in His image. Spiritually yes, but not physically? Of course physically as well. Why not? Why only spiritually but not physicaly? There isn't any reason for not making us similar to Him. To be honest I can not imagine something without a form, like a "mountain" or a "cloud" sitting on a throne. A cloud surrounded by other clouds, the angels. Something that looks like those weird looks of aliens in science fiction movies. I want to believe that in Heaven we will look at His beautiful eyes, His beautiful face(the most beautiful face in the universe), hearing His beautiful voice, feeling the touch of His beautiful hands, walking side by side with Him. God honored us by making us in his image, both in the outside and the inside. This is how I believe it is.
Some comments about God. I will repeat some of your comments and add some more, what I understand of Him.
God is invisible. No man has ever seen God, nor he can because they will die.
So do we know anything about God or not, or do we know God or not? Has anybody gone up there and saw Him, and His surroundings, has anybody talked to Him face to face to tell us something about Him? How does He really look like? How is His character? What is He like really?
Although God has revealed to people in the OT many things about Himself, it seems those were not enough for us to have a relatively good knowledge of Him. Only some general things about Him.
In John 1:18 Jesus says,, "No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him"
So it was Jesus who told us everything about God. Actually everybody who gets to know Jesus, he actually gets to know Father as well, since they are completely indentical, in character, power, nature ..., everything. Like Jesus said to Phillip the one who sees Jesus has seen God the Father Himself. Of course Jesus doesn't mean here the external appearance of God.
There is a very nice verse in Hebrews 1:2-3
"2. Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds
3. Who (Jesus) being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;"
Jesus is the visible brightness of the invisible glory of God, He is the express image of the invible image of God. After all that how can one claim that Jesus is not God?
But how is God's external appearance. The truth is that we don't know. Some say His is like a man, taking into account some descriptions in the Bible. Others say that He only uses such expressions for Himself to make us feel comfortable with Him.
I do thank you for your comments. I didn't mean to offend you with that question but to me its really that simple.
If we don't believe that God preserved His Word for ever like He promised us in His Word, then what is our final authority?
The Word of God has to be our final authority, but if its modern version bibles then which one would that be? They are all different. And how can we trust a bible that calls Jesus Christ a liar?
The Truth does matter One eighty, I have shown many posts that has nothing to do with my thought system, and surely not my opinion but has shown modern version bibles to be doctrine that is not sound doctrine, but corrupt doctrine.
You said "Of course truth matters; I don't think anyone would be on this site if it didn't". There is much deception in this world today, ( Mt 7:15) "false prophets which come to you in sheep's clothing". ( Mt 24:11) "And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many". And in ( 2 Cor 11:13-15) The word (ministers) speaking of Satan's minsters in v15 are disguised as Christian teachers and pastors. The word (transformed) is #3345; it means to transfigure or disguise.
You have a desire to teach peace, that's a great thing for one to teach in this time period we live in today, that will help many.
I have a desire to show the Truth One eighty, and there are a few subjects that are very important to show the Truth in the Word of God by using Scripture. The inspired preserved Word of God is one of those subjects, And as I'm sure you can see there is deception in almost everything today.
The reason I say "God Bless all who seek His Truth" is that it truly seems today that many people ignore, or just push aside the Truth like it has no meaning when it is presented straight from the Word of God. Some of that on this subject would be caused by a belief and trust in modern version bibles.
Again I did not mean to offend you.
God Bless you and all who seek His Truth, (and everybody else) for One eighty.
God's commandments are EVERY WORD that proceeds out of his mouth,not just TEN written in stone.
1 Timothy 4:10 ....... who is the SAVIOUR of ALL MEN, specially those that BELIEVE......
1 Timothy 4:11 These things COMMAND and TEACH.
How many BELIEVE these WORDS of Christ and FOLLOW those words.
The word of God contains about 750,000 words, they all APPLY as a commandment.
God BlessYOU!
I thought about you; actually talking to an old lady in my church who apparently was told from a very young age that she was gifted in teaching. She went on to have many adopted kids and apparently teach some Sunday school stuff like you did.
Hope your relative is doing better than last week (Vivian I think her name was).
Would you mind telling me your testimony in becoming a Christian? I am very interested.
Now on to study. I'll talk to you later. Have a blessed day. Ann
Yes, Christ is the arch angel. Christ is the angel of the Lord, of the Old Testament, Christ is the fire that appeared in the burning bush, Christ is the rock in the wilderness that provided water for his children, Christ is the word that that brings TRUTH and LIFE to his children.
Christ is the great I AM.
God BLESS YOY!
Because that's what Pharisees did in Jesus's time, and Jesus had a response to that which was interesting. Did Jesus actually violate that commandment? No, and He explained why, including Mark 2:27. He said he didn't come to abolish the law but fulfill it. Notice it wasn't other commandments He was accused of breaking, just that one. It should be no surprise that Christians have different takes on this and it doesn't automatically mean each has impure motives. Picking grain or helping an elderly person on Saturday seems very different in severity than committing adultery. So, I think well meaning Christians who only follow 9 of the 10 commandments will be judged fairly, and I think Christians who follow 10 of 10 commandments will be judged fairly. God knows our heart.
The sabbath commandment is a little bit in question based on what Jesus said and did during that time. Had this not been included in the Bible, I think 10 of 10 commandments would be seen as equal. I personally try to honor the sabbath, but am not 100% clear on what 'work' is sometimes. For example some may view typing a comment as a 'work' and some may not. I also think that being too consumed with analyzing this if it results in losing focus on following Jesus would defeat the purpose. We are to obey Jesus, but not like pharisees. That is my opinion. God bless.
Pg 2: since the page I was just writing was submitted without any intention of submitting at that time.
To continue: Of course truth matters; I don't think anyone would be on this site if it didn't.
God bless you, all who seek His Truth; AND all who don't, for THEY need His blessings in the same manner. Let us continue to pray for our perceived enemies whom we perceive as going against the Word of God. Let us do so, so that they can become our friends.
Peace
The teachers of the Law in Jesus' day taught the 10 Commandments but didn't follow any of them ( Matt. 23:1-3), but our woeful excuse for teachers today teach that we should NOT keep God's Law - that it is some form of sin to do so.
What a shame. They shall in 'no way' enter into the Kingdom of Heaven as they teach that those who obey will be, heaven forbid, sent to hell by God ... 'for obeying Him.'
They are given a massive stage and a forum to reach many, many people and do they feed them? No, they do not. They poison them with lies of the devil and lead hundreds of millions, if not billions, to their destruction.
May I ask, do you set aside Saturday as the sabbath as the 4th commandment says? I am not part of an denomination that worships on Saturday."
Yes, I set aside Saturday as the Biblical Sabbath and treat it much differently than any other day that I worship according to Gen. 2:2-3 and many other passages in Scripture, including Jesus' definitive teachings of the 10 Commandments and His keeping of them in alignment with 1 Jn. 2:6.
I'm not part of any organized denomination as I have found that very few, if any, align their doctrines accurately with the Bible. I believe the ONLY way to find Truth in Scripture is to study it diligently on our own and pray for guidance via the Holy Spirit.
Regardless of what anyone believes, when one does that, they come to very different conclusions about what the Bible teaches concerning most of the main doctrines of modern mainstream churches today. That alone should lead most to want to find out for themselves what God actually teaches in His Word.
"I honestly believe that in the end times God's true believers will use the KJV and worship, maybe even in secret, on Saturday. (not prophesying, just wondering :))"
I believe we are living in that time now. It is difficult to live by the 10 Commandments in this day and age, but it is not impossible as nothing is impossible with God and with strong faith and conviction. Nowhere in the Bible does it say that True Christians will have it easy, at any point in history.