The subject of anger or lack thereof can be interesting, yet sensitive, since we perceive so much injustice in these times. I've lived in anger much of my life, and realized a while back that I was sick of it because it was an enormous hindrance to my peace of mind. Although it can be a difficult and frustrating mission, and still is, I feel it has been worth the effort, as the anger has decreased
Being open to correction, reluctantly at times, and with help from the Holy Spirit, I've learned that anger CANNOT occur unless I believe I've been attacked, and that my attack is justified in return, and that I am no way responsible for it. I AM! It is beginning to sink in that anger always involves projection of separation, which must ultimately be accepted as my own responsibility, RATHER THAN being blamed on others. Anger destroys peace, and relationships with others and God.
I don't believe that anger is sin. I do believe that nothing except God exists, therefore since God is Love, love is all there is .Sin is a lack of Love, and in the sight of the Holy Spirit, anger is a MISTAKE to be gently and patiently corrected, rather than an evil to be punished, which is an attack in return.
Therefore, there is but one interpretation of motivation that makes any sense. And because it is the Holy Spirit's judgement it should require no effort at all on my part: Every loving thought is true; EVERYTHING ELSE is an appeal for healing and help, regardless of the form it takes. Can I be justified in responding with anger to a brother's plea for help? No;no response can be appropriate except the willingness to give it to him, for this and only this is what he is asking for. And if I offer him anything else, I am assuming the right to attack HIS reality as he sees it, by interpreting it as the ego sees fit.
Romans 8:9 reads, "But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
But you are not in the flesh, but you are in the Spirit, (if so be) the Spirit of God dwells in you.
There is a definition that's given to us here. It says we are in the flesh if we don't have Christ. If we are not "born again" we have an illegitimate claim at being a true believer.
It goes on to say, "But if so be that the Spirit of God dwells in you."
And then listen to this:
Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ (born again), he is none of his.
What Paul is saying here is that if a person does not have the Spirit of Christ dwelling inside of them, they don't belong to Christ.
So what's the emphasis here? The emphasis is on what God does and how He comes into our life. If He's not there, it doesn't matter what we believe because we are not saved.
A person must be born again or they do not belong to Christ!
How do you know that I do not believe what "birthed my own faith"? This is an untrue, audacious, and slanderous statement. Therefore sinful. You cannot know what I know or don't know in my life in Christ.
Since you continue to say things that are untrue of me and claim things you know that you cannot know, I will end this interaction with you. You have proven yourself to be contentious and judgmental in sinful ways.
Have you ever boasted about yourself, your family, kids, job, spirituality, or holiness?
Have you ever taken credit for something God did?
Have you ever not prayed for someone who has asked you to do so?
Have you ever not taken seriously someone else's plight, problem, concern?
Have you derived pleasure from pointing out fault in another but bristle when someone does that to you?
Have you ever gone faster that the speed limit, rolled through a stop sign, yelled at another driver who cuts you off?
Have you ever pushed your way in front of someone else to get into a place before them?
Have you ever rehearsed in your mind the retort you would give to someone who wronged you?
Have you ever wasted time on frivolous things when more important things need to be done, whether for the Lord or others?
Have you ever failed to take seriously another person's problems, pains, difficulties, concerns, or needs?
Have you ever given an untruthful excuse for being late or not showing up or not being able to attend an invitation?
Have you ever disciplined your kids because they made you angry, frustrated, or inconvenienced you?
Have you ever spoken negatively about your spouse or children or parents?
Have you ever resenting having to care for your kids? or felt that they are a burden rather than a blessing?
Have you ever been wasteful of what God has provided for you?
Frankie,, I could go on and on, but all of these are sinful. I doubt that you, nor I , nor any believer could say they have never sinned in these ways in all of their life as a believer. And anyone who would say that they have not, either have just now become a believer or are deceived about their own behavior. But, just as Jesus said that anyone who hates their brother is guilty of murder, demonstrating how everyone sins even if they keep the law outwardly, I engaged you in this exercise for the same purpose. I am guilty of doing some these things. I am a sinner, I need Jesus.
Have you every been untruthful with anyone since becoming a Christian, deceptive, evading the truth, stretching the truth?
Have you ever gossiped about someone, telling others the faults of others you and they mutually know. have you ever slandered anyone, speaking negatively about someone without merit, just because you may disagree with them or not do things the way you do?
Have you ever been prideful in your heart since becoming saved?
Have you ever harbored a grievance against someone when you should have forgiven and moved on in love?
Have you ever been lazy?
Have you ever looked at what others have and thought they had more than they need and should give to people who are needy? That is coveting. Others had the right to what they have and to give whatever they determine to give but it is not right for someone to decide in their heart that someone else should give of what they have
Do you have disdain for others, whether very rich, or without a home, or young and rowdy, or criminal, or beautiful, or more successful than yourself? That is envy and also disdain. Both are sinful.
Have you ever accused someone of something they did not do? That is sinful-false accusation.
Have you ever eaten much more than your body needed at the time? That is sinful-gluttony.
Have you ever not given to someone in need when the Spirit has urged you to do so? That is a sin of omission and disobedience.
Have you ever done anything out of selfishness?
Have you been unwilling to do something necessary because it would make you uncomfortable.? that is sinful, not taking up one's cross to follow Jesus in that moment.
Have you ever been sarcastic with anyone? That is sinful. It hurts another and is a sin of superiority.
Have you ever avoided speaking or meeting with someone because they annoy you or are too needy or any other reason that inconveniences you? that is sinful=being a respecter of persons.
About Edomites. The Edomites are described in the Bible mainly as opponents of the people of Israel.Moses asked permission for the people of Israel to cross the territory of the Edomites peacefully.He even promised to pay for anything the Israelites might need along the way.Even so,the king of Edom refused to let the people of Israel pass(Number 20:14-21)
Now,in this current millennium,the seventh and last,even in these days of Apocalypse,the battle of Armageddon(air-magog-eddom(red) is in the way( Revelation 16:13-16) , the battle is against three unclean spirits like frogs(why frogs?the website of purebible explains this mystery),that come out of the mouth of the dragon(the red dragon- Revelation 12:3-4),and out of the mouth of the Beast(the MAN Beast of sea),and out of the mouth of the false prophet(the false messiah of the Jews, a false lamb- Revelation 13:11).
Remembering that Edom means red, the battle called Ar/mag/eddon is in the current heavenly environment of the New Testament against the MAN Beast of sea(Magog) and against the MAN Beast revealed as dragon(Satan incarnated, son of perdition, MAN of sin- Revelation 13:11-he was born in Israel decades ago and will manifest himself soon as messiah-an IMPOSTOR). Get ready- Revelation 16:15- Behold, I come as a thief.Blessed is he that watcheth,and keepeth his garments,lest he walk naked,and they see his shame.
Daniel 12:10-12
10Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried;but the wicked shall do wickedly:and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.
11And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up,there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
12Blessed is he that waiteth,and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.
Matthew 24:15
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation,spoken of by Daniel the prophet,stand in the Holy Place,(whoso readeth,let him understand
26 Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath: 27 Neither give place to the devil. 28 Let him that stole steal no more: but rather let him labour, working with his hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth.
Dear Contriteheart. I am very sorry that Your Mom is gone. My Mom left us a little over a year ago. God took her. It was her time. Her birthday is Oct. 3 and I thought of her as did all of my siblings. She is with the Lord now. But it is still hard to have people die. I will pray for you.
Dear Heavenly Father, in the name of Jesus we ask that You will bring comfort and peace to Contrite heart today and each day when he/she remembers her. his Mom that You allowed to die. Help Contriteheart to work through the grief and loss and keep him/her stayed on You in Christ. Bring ways to ease the pain and uplift Contrite heart in the weeks ahead. Oh Lord, we call on You for all our needs, especially in times of great grief. Amen.
So, it seems that the account of the people the Israelites encountered east of the Jordan have a correlation to the time of Abraham. It seems unsure to me exactly who it was that pushed these giants out of the areas of Ammon, Moab and Edom. WAs it the kings of the east, Abraham and his group, or the Moabites, Ammonites, and Edomites. Perhaps it was all of these since the chapter says that God destroyed the giants in times past.
In Deut. 2:24 God calls on the Israelites to rise up and begin to conquer the peoples east of the Jordan after He recounts how the giants were expelled from the area before. He says He will give them Sihon, the giant king of the Amorites, by putting in the oversized inhabitants of this area a dread of the Israelites that will make these nations of giant men tremble and be in anguish (vs. 25).
So, Moses sends messengers ahead to Sihon asking permission to pass through his land. But Sihon refused this request and came out against the Israelites because the LORD had hardened his spirit and made his heart obstinate. The battle ensued with God giving Israel immense victory of all the people of the land of Sihon. They did as God had instructed them, killing ALL men, women, and children. Some think it so harsh and un-God-like for Him to order total extermination. But, if ALL of the people of Sihon were mixed blood with Rephaim, it was best for this people to be destroyed. God hates this mixing of Rephaim blood and human blood. It always is wicked and leads to greater wickedness in the people as a whole.
The Israelites kept the cattle alive and took them as spoil from the cities. From the Arnon River through Gilead all the cities were taken by the Israelites by God's power. And none of the people and land of Ammon was invaded, battled against, or taken at all just as God had forbade them not to do.
In Nu. 13:32 the spies said that the giants in the land eat up the inhabitants of the land. They must have seen this happen to say this.
The accounts of the giants from cultures all over the world show that the giants they encountered had similar characteristics such as: being twice the size of a normal man or more, having double rows of teeth and six fingers on each hand and six fingers on each foot, having red shaggy hair, being cannibalistic, violent, and terrorizing. Yet these giant peoples were overcome and destroyed by large bands of normal size peoples who united to rid their area of them. We do not know if there are still some of these giants still living in some remote areas.
In Genesis 14 and 15 is the account of the wars fought by the kings of the east against the kings of the Dead Sea area in which Lot was taken captive, The text says that the eastern kings smote these peoples named on their way to the Dead Sea coming from the north to south (all extremely large people east of the Jordan River.) There were Amorites west of the Jordan and Ge. 14:13 says that Abraham dwelt with Mamre and his brothers, Aner, and Eschol, Amorites who fought with his men to retrieve Lot and peoples from the Mesopotamian kings.
In Ch. 15 God makes the covenant with/for Abraham, prophesying that Abraham's descendants will go to Egypt and come out in the 4th generation when the sin of the Amorites will be fully grown. God lists the peoples Abrahams descendents will take the in the Exodus. It is unclear how many of these groups were related to the Rephaims, nor if these peoples all intermixed with these extremely large Rephaim descendants, but most likely did to a large extent by the time of the Exodus, thus necessitating the total extermination of all of these peoples including women and children. If they did mix with that of the Rephaims and were internally influenced by the wickedness of the 1st generations of Rephaims after the flood this explains why God determined that those with Rephaim blood needed to be wiped out.
There are accounts of such extremely large humans from all cultures all over the world, some ancient and some more recent. Historians Josephus and Herodotus mentions them being real. Bones of enormous size have been unearthed all over the world, yet many of them have been mysteriously misplaced when given over to people in power. such as the Smithsonian.
I've never imply the angels were equal to God nor needed a Savior, just that they were separate unto God & are holy. Our fellowservants & of our brethen
The rest is your own thoughts, 'your Wow" is of yourself, accusing me what you, yourself are guilt of. Reading too much into what I said.
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It would be hard for you to call my view heresy, being its the Truth of the Scriptures brought to you by the learning of the letter, which you hold too.
Which you confess you don't believe, what a paradox is that. You don't even believe that which births your own faith.
The rest of 3 is in truth, the very working out of our salvation, 2Cor 10:5 as one exercises this, the discerning between good & evil, one matures from babes to adults. The process is slow, but through the pass 10 yrs I have been delivered their stronghold.
I learnt also through the years that the more I wait in stillness & silence before Him, the better I was empowered to discern & overcome the enemy, they still tempt at times, but God Spirit quickens me to their stratagems. Temptation is not a sin. I deny it, don't own it, its not who I am in Christ.
In the simplicity of my heart & godly care I reach out to caution you in what you are doing, you slighted this godly counsel, given according to the Spirit of the Scriptures. What kind of person are you Gigi to come out with such a response? and then not directed to me, meaning to be received by my email from this site.
The Lord judge between you & I, I give this into His hands.
By the way, I have not yet been born again, baptize by Christ
I'm within the work of regeneration, As I wait before Him in stillness & silence, I have found Him faithful & true, old things are passing away daily, & all things are becoming new, He will finish the work that He Himself has started. This I am assure of
I'm very grateful for His tender mercies towards me.
Deuteronomy takes an aside here in verse 10-12 to mention the Emims (meaning terror or fear) in Moab and the Horims (meaning cave dwellers) in Seir who were giants as the Anakim (meaning long-necked) were, but Moab drove out the Emins and destroyed them and Edomites drove out the Horims and destroyed them long before this time. These two groups of giants were overcome by non-giants. God, through Moses reminds the Israelites of this as they were now in Amorite (meaning prideful, self-exalting talkers) territory, which was a land of giants, too. God tells them to rise up, get over the brook of Zered.
Another aside in this chapter is the mention that the time from Kadesh-barnea with the spies and evil report to this point was 38 years until all of the men of war in that generation was "wasted out" from among the camp of Israelites by the LORD as He promised.
And God spoke to Moses to pass over through Ar on the coast (border) of Moab that very day. God tells them not to distress the people of Ammon because, like Moab, they were the descendants of Lot and cousins. Ammon was north-east of Moab and the Amorites held the land from west border of Ammon to the Jordan river and north of the border of Moab.
Ammon was also a land of giants in the past, called Zamzummin, (meaning murmurers, perhaps as in conjuring of spirits) whom the Ammonites drove out in times before this.
Next is listed the Avims (meaning wicked or perverse men), who dwelled in the area of Gaza who were driven out by the
Caphtors. The Caphtors are believed to be either Egyptians descended from Mizraim (of Ham) or people of Crete who took over the area of Gaza which later was the home of the Philistines.
All of these giant clans were considered to be Rephaim (meaning terrible ones) or Nephilim (meaning fallen ones or feller of men) or Gibborim meaning (giants, men of reknown as Nimrod was called).
The land of Canaan was a land of giants, most likely all-over.
I hope you don't mind if I reply as to what you asked GiGi, "Is anger a sin?
Yes ,it appears to be so according to Scripture: Eph. 4:26-27, Col. 3:8 includes it with wrath, malice, blasphemy, and filthy communication. James 1:19-20, and more.
The word anger is associated with wrath and abundant throughout the OT. It is attributed to God. Should I conclude it is only a sin when we display anger and wrath? Help me out
Yet it seems you were justifying it as a righteous act because it appears that Jesus displayed anger.
I'm not insinuating you are right or wrong; just looking for a clear explanation. I'm probably misunderstanding what's being said.
This journey around Edom is recounted in Numbers Ch. 20-21. After Moses and Aaron had brought water from the rock at Meribah and were reprimanded by God for their unbelief ( Nu. 20:12) telling them that they will not enter the land of promise, they approached Edom to seek safe passage through their land and Edom refused, coming out against them. Aaron dies on Mt. Hor and the battle with King Arad (who may have been a giant like many in Canaan) is fought in Kadesh. This is the area where the spies had surveyed the land 40 years prior noting the giants. The Israelites headed south to the Red Sea at Ezion-geber and then northward gain encircling Mount Seir. This is where the fiery serpents attacked the murmuring Israelites. They ended up at Oboth at the edge of Edom south of the Dead Sea in the Arabah valley. From there they traveled around the east of Edom (because the Edomites would not give them safe passage through their land (which most likely did not have giants).They came across the brook of Zered and into Moab at Ije-abarim. Then they moved to the valley of Zared. From there they went to the northern border of Moab at across the Arnon River. The Amorites lived north of this river. Apparently there were great victories brought about by God in this area. ( Nu. 21:14-15) These battles were recorded in the book of the wars of the LORD.
The Israelites did not disturb Moab ( Dt. 2:9), as the descendants are from Lot, whom God blessed and protected, the Moabites being cousins to Israel. Then they came to Beer, a place where God said He would give them water. The princes of Israel dug and water sprang forth for them. As the princes dug, the people sang, "Spring up , O well, sing ye unto it. So it seems that they needed to show their faith in God by this song sung before or during the digging.
From there they went to Mattanah, Nahahiel, to Bamoth and up Mt. Pisgah. There must have been some tableland on this mount.
Deut. Ch. 2 is recounting the last legs of the travels of the Israelites before they conquer the peoples of the lands of Canaan. They first are instructed to take the lands east of the Jordan River. These are the lands of the Amorites.
From the edges of Canaan in the south God instructs them to travel from Mt. Hor where Aaron dies and circled Mt. Seir many days before God instructed them to travel around the border of Edom going northward, which is the land that Esau and his tribes took from the Horites. God told the Israelites that they are to travel along the border (coast) of Edom and are not to enter Edom or disturb the descendants of Esau dwelling within Edom, since they are descendants of Abraham (and cousins) whom God had given a blessing to in addition to Isaac. God told them that the Edomites would fear the Israelites, so they are to take heed, for God will not give Israel any of the land of Edom since God had given the land of Edom to Esau as a possession. The Israelites could interact with the Edomites to buy food and water (evidently the Manna and water from rocks had ceased. Since God had not ceased to provide for them for 40 years and blessed them so that they lacked no necessity, they now were to buy food and water from the Edomites. So they passed by Edom and headed towards the wilderness of Moab.
John 2:15 And when he had made a scourge of cords, he drove them out of the temple ......
Psalms 2:12 Kiss the Son, lest he be angry ......
Romans 14:23 whatsoever is not of faith (of Christ) is sin .....
Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, sharper than any two edged sword, piercing even dividing the body and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is the discerner of the thoughts and INTENTS of the HEART.
Ezekiel 36:26 A NEW HEART will I GIVE YOU, and NEW SPIRIT will I PUT IN YOU ....
Ezekiel 36:27 And I will put my SPIRIT IN YOU and CAUSE you to walk in my statutes (maybe become angry) amd keep my judgements (words) and DO THEM.
"Trust in the Lord with all thine heart, and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths." Proverbs 3: 5, 6.
What does it mean to trust in the Lord? Trust is the word frequently used in the old testament to mean the same as faith in the new testament, for example: to trust is to have faith, and if we have faith, we trust. It means to take refuge; to lean on; to follow; to wait . To trust in the Lord is to put full confidence in the word of God for our salvation, and for our strength as Christians, and for our daily needs. We are told not to lean on our own understanding. In other words, we are not to try to rationalize or figure out God's amazing grace, or his power, or the working of miracles, or his work of redemption in our lives; but we are simply to trust in what his word tells us. God honors those who have confidence in his word How can we trust in something with which we are not familiar? How can we claim promises if we do not know what those promises are? This is why it is so important for us to spend so much time in God's word, and in our private meditation, so that we can know what God's word has to say, then we can put our trust in it.
"Trust and do good" Psalm 37: 3-5, In other words, when God has spoken through his written word or through the Holy Spirit in our lives, again, we ought not to try to figure out what is going on in our heart or to rationalize away the working of the Holy Spirit. Instead, we ought to trust God and do good. God's word tells us the things that are good and right. We ought to obey God immediately, with the right heart attitude, when God speaks , and trust God for the results. As we read and study the word of God, and as God reveals himself to us and we see his glory unfolded before our eyes, we ought to delight ourselves in him. He ought to be our prime source of joy
As you asked, (I like you try to keep comment short). I claim to know nothing and when I go to the Bible, I do my best to not take anything with me with my head empty and my ears open. Dan. 10:13 Michael is one of the chief princes, how many there are we have not been told but Michael is the only one who is named, Jude, 1:9 Gabriel may also be an archangel. We have not been told all the hierarchy in heaven but there is only one Jesus who is above all that is in heaven and earth, Matt. 28:18.
Jesus is the only one, the only begotten Son, John 3:16, the king of kings and Lord of Lords Rev. 19:16. All the angels including all the archangels/princes were made to worship Jesus Hebrews 1:6. As the angel told John Rev. 19:10, angels are not worthy of worship. Revelation of Jesus given to Him by God that Jesus signified it by Jesus's angel to His servant John Rev. 1:1. Is Jesus's angel the same as we see in the OT, the angel of the Lord?
Jesus is not one of the archangels, He is the only begotten Son of God whom our Father sent into the world and who shed His blood for us, and only through his blood, we have the forgiveness of our sins.
As humans He created, we cannot attain to His infinite and boundless Holiness, but in Christ we will become perfected in the life to come to have perfect holy humanity without sin any longer. The angels are also holy and without sin, but they are creatures and thus not holy in the sense of being separate
Friend, its not God's holiness that in dispute here, but our inheritance in Christ, now in this life.
The holy, innocent, pure, blameless, unreproachable life of Christ is our inheritance Rom 8:29 becoming partakers of His Divine Nature, the Fruits of His Spirit which against such there is no law, In Christ, the Father withholds nothing of Himself from us, for Luke 12:32
Its is a perfection of holiness that can be added too, as one grows in knowledge & understanding through the appearance of Grace in our hearts 2Cor 4:6,7
It's known, felt, consummated & possess in this life & is rewarded in the next. 2 Timothy 4:7,8
Christ prayer is answered John 17:21-24
Holiness is none other than being engrafted into God, union & oneness with Him in heart, mind & soul, for He along is Holy
This is the greatness of the salvation Christ purchase, that Hebrews declares "ought not to be neglected".
For 1Thessalonians 4:72Thessalonians 2:13,14
G4047 Obtaining: acquisition, possession (the act or the thing); by extension, preservation, peculiar, purchased, possession, saving.
Concerning angels Mark 8:28
G40- most holy, consecrated
They are separated, Rev 19:10 "I am thy fellowservant, & of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus, worship God"
Your quote is unscriptural,
you are advocating a life of continuous in sin & repentance for life term, there's no fellowship, union or knowing Him in this state according to Scriptures, this teaching becomes a stumbling block to the babes in Christ, Whom God is leading in the Way of holiness, your directly contradicting the teaching of Christ who says deny self & "sin not" & put on the Lord Jesus Christ.
Going to the enemies camp! Go get them...Go and do what the LORD has called You to do.
1 Samuel 30:8
And David enquired at the LORD, saying, Shall I pursue after this troop? shall I overtake them? And he answered him, Pursue: for thou shalt surely overtake them, and without fail recover all.
James 2:5
Hearken, my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that love him?
Matthew 11:5
The blind receive their sight, and the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, and the deaf hear, the dead are raised up, and the poor have the gospel preached to them.
Luke 4:18
The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
Be the voice, Be Christlike, and keeping on Striving. God Bless You all.
discern perceive glimpse catch/get a glimpse of spot,notice,catch sight of,sight make out pick out spy distinguish identify recognize detect note mark clap/lay/set eyes on clock behold descry espy
be or become aware of something from observation or from a written or other visual source.
2.
discern or deduce mentally after reflection or from information; understand.
"I can't see any other way to treat it"
3.
experience or witness (an event or situation).
"I shall not live to see it"
4.
meet (someone one knows) socially or by chance.
"I saw Colin last night"
5.
escort or conduct (someone) to a specified place.
"don't bother seeing me out"
6.
ensure.
"Lucy saw to it that everyone got enough to eat"
world, all, made/make, fast, lost (check how many meaning these words have in Hebrew, Greek and English (just need the English definition really) ,give each word its proper meaning in context.
Prodigal son (lost:astray losts ones way)
Word is hid his from those that are lost (lost:parished)
Freda, so good to hear from you again. I will continue to pray for you and thanks for giving us details as to what youor needs are to help us with our prayers.
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The subject of anger or lack thereof can be interesting, yet sensitive, since we perceive so much injustice in these times. I've lived in anger much of my life, and realized a while back that I was sick of it because it was an enormous hindrance to my peace of mind. Although it can be a difficult and frustrating mission, and still is, I feel it has been worth the effort, as the anger has decreased
Being open to correction, reluctantly at times, and with help from the Holy Spirit, I've learned that anger CANNOT occur unless I believe I've been attacked, and that my attack is justified in return, and that I am no way responsible for it. I AM! It is beginning to sink in that anger always involves projection of separation, which must ultimately be accepted as my own responsibility, RATHER THAN being blamed on others. Anger destroys peace, and relationships with others and God.
I don't believe that anger is sin. I do believe that nothing except God exists, therefore since God is Love, love is all there is .Sin is a lack of Love, and in the sight of the Holy Spirit, anger is a MISTAKE to be gently and patiently corrected, rather than an evil to be punished, which is an attack in return.
Therefore, there is but one interpretation of motivation that makes any sense. And because it is the Holy Spirit's judgement it should require no effort at all on my part: Every loving thought is true; EVERYTHING ELSE is an appeal for healing and help, regardless of the form it takes. Can I be justified in responding with anger to a brother's plea for help? No;no response can be appropriate except the willingness to give it to him, for this and only this is what he is asking for. And if I offer him anything else, I am assuming the right to attack HIS reality as he sees it, by interpreting it as the ego sees fit.
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Romans 8:9 reads, "But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
But you are not in the flesh, but you are in the Spirit, (if so be) the Spirit of God dwells in you.
There is a definition that's given to us here. It says we are in the flesh if we don't have Christ. If we are not "born again" we have an illegitimate claim at being a true believer.
It goes on to say, "But if so be that the Spirit of God dwells in you."
And then listen to this:
Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ (born again), he is none of his.
What Paul is saying here is that if a person does not have the Spirit of Christ dwelling inside of them, they don't belong to Christ.
So what's the emphasis here? The emphasis is on what God does and how He comes into our life. If He's not there, it doesn't matter what we believe because we are not saved.
A person must be born again or they do not belong to Christ!
How do you know that I do not believe what "birthed my own faith"? This is an untrue, audacious, and slanderous statement. Therefore sinful. You cannot know what I know or don't know in my life in Christ.
Since you continue to say things that are untrue of me and claim things you know that you cannot know, I will end this interaction with you. You have proven yourself to be contentious and judgmental in sinful ways.
Have you ever boasted about yourself, your family, kids, job, spirituality, or holiness?
Have you ever taken credit for something God did?
Have you ever not prayed for someone who has asked you to do so?
Have you ever not taken seriously someone else's plight, problem, concern?
Have you derived pleasure from pointing out fault in another but bristle when someone does that to you?
Have you ever gone faster that the speed limit, rolled through a stop sign, yelled at another driver who cuts you off?
Have you ever pushed your way in front of someone else to get into a place before them?
Have you ever rehearsed in your mind the retort you would give to someone who wronged you?
Have you ever wasted time on frivolous things when more important things need to be done, whether for the Lord or others?
Have you ever failed to take seriously another person's problems, pains, difficulties, concerns, or needs?
Have you ever given an untruthful excuse for being late or not showing up or not being able to attend an invitation?
Have you ever disciplined your kids because they made you angry, frustrated, or inconvenienced you?
Have you ever spoken negatively about your spouse or children or parents?
Have you ever resenting having to care for your kids? or felt that they are a burden rather than a blessing?
Have you ever been wasteful of what God has provided for you?
Frankie,, I could go on and on, but all of these are sinful. I doubt that you, nor I , nor any believer could say they have never sinned in these ways in all of their life as a believer. And anyone who would say that they have not, either have just now become a believer or are deceived about their own behavior. But, just as Jesus said that anyone who hates their brother is guilty of murder, demonstrating how everyone sins even if they keep the law outwardly, I engaged you in this exercise for the same purpose. I am guilty of doing some these things. I am a sinner, I need Jesus.
Have you every been untruthful with anyone since becoming a Christian, deceptive, evading the truth, stretching the truth?
Have you ever gossiped about someone, telling others the faults of others you and they mutually know. have you ever slandered anyone, speaking negatively about someone without merit, just because you may disagree with them or not do things the way you do?
Have you ever been prideful in your heart since becoming saved?
Have you ever harbored a grievance against someone when you should have forgiven and moved on in love?
Have you ever been lazy?
Have you ever looked at what others have and thought they had more than they need and should give to people who are needy? That is coveting. Others had the right to what they have and to give whatever they determine to give but it is not right for someone to decide in their heart that someone else should give of what they have
Do you have disdain for others, whether very rich, or without a home, or young and rowdy, or criminal, or beautiful, or more successful than yourself? That is envy and also disdain. Both are sinful.
Have you ever accused someone of something they did not do? That is sinful-false accusation.
Have you ever eaten much more than your body needed at the time? That is sinful-gluttony.
Have you ever not given to someone in need when the Spirit has urged you to do so? That is a sin of omission and disobedience.
Have you ever done anything out of selfishness?
Have you been unwilling to do something necessary because it would make you uncomfortable.? that is sinful, not taking up one's cross to follow Jesus in that moment.
Have you ever been sarcastic with anyone? That is sinful. It hurts another and is a sin of superiority.
Have you ever avoided speaking or meeting with someone because they annoy you or are too needy or any other reason that inconveniences you? that is sinful=being a respecter of persons.
Have you ever spoken too hastily?
I admit I have.
About Edomites. The Edomites are described in the Bible mainly as opponents of the people of Israel.Moses asked permission for the people of Israel to cross the territory of the Edomites peacefully.He even promised to pay for anything the Israelites might need along the way.Even so,the king of Edom refused to let the people of Israel pass(Number 20:14-21)
Now,in this current millennium,the seventh and last,even in these days of Apocalypse,the battle of Armageddon(air-magog-eddom(red) is in the way( Revelation 16:13-16) , the battle is against three unclean spirits like frogs(why frogs?the website of purebible explains this mystery),that come out of the mouth of the dragon(the red dragon- Revelation 12:3-4),and out of the mouth of the Beast(the MAN Beast of sea),and out of the mouth of the false prophet(the false messiah of the Jews, a false lamb- Revelation 13:11).
Remembering that Edom means red, the battle called Ar/mag/eddon is in the current heavenly environment of the New Testament against the MAN Beast of sea(Magog) and against the MAN Beast revealed as dragon(Satan incarnated, son of perdition, MAN of sin- Revelation 13:11-he was born in Israel decades ago and will manifest himself soon as messiah-an IMPOSTOR). Get ready- Revelation 16:15- Behold, I come as a thief.Blessed is he that watcheth,and keepeth his garments,lest he walk naked,and they see his shame.
Daniel 12:10-12
10Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried;but the wicked shall do wickedly:and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.
11And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up,there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
12Blessed is he that waiteth,and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.
Matthew 24:15
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation,spoken of by Daniel the prophet,stand in the Holy Place,(whoso readeth,let him understand
26 Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath: 27 Neither give place to the devil. 28 Let him that stole steal no more: but rather let him labour, working with his hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth.
But we can be angry and not sin. This is righteous anger as Jesus had, such as when someone blasphemes the Lord or harms young children.
However, most of the time our anger is of the sinful kind, if we really are honest.
Dear Heavenly Father, in the name of Jesus we ask that You will bring comfort and peace to Contrite heart today and each day when he/she remembers her. his Mom that You allowed to die. Help Contriteheart to work through the grief and loss and keep him/her stayed on You in Christ. Bring ways to ease the pain and uplift Contrite heart in the weeks ahead. Oh Lord, we call on You for all our needs, especially in times of great grief. Amen.
In Deut. 2:24 God calls on the Israelites to rise up and begin to conquer the peoples east of the Jordan after He recounts how the giants were expelled from the area before. He says He will give them Sihon, the giant king of the Amorites, by putting in the oversized inhabitants of this area a dread of the Israelites that will make these nations of giant men tremble and be in anguish (vs. 25).
So, Moses sends messengers ahead to Sihon asking permission to pass through his land. But Sihon refused this request and came out against the Israelites because the LORD had hardened his spirit and made his heart obstinate. The battle ensued with God giving Israel immense victory of all the people of the land of Sihon. They did as God had instructed them, killing ALL men, women, and children. Some think it so harsh and un-God-like for Him to order total extermination. But, if ALL of the people of Sihon were mixed blood with Rephaim, it was best for this people to be destroyed. God hates this mixing of Rephaim blood and human blood. It always is wicked and leads to greater wickedness in the people as a whole.
The Israelites kept the cattle alive and took them as spoil from the cities. From the Arnon River through Gilead all the cities were taken by the Israelites by God's power. And none of the people and land of Ammon was invaded, battled against, or taken at all just as God had forbade them not to do.
In Nu. 13:32 the spies said that the giants in the land eat up the inhabitants of the land. They must have seen this happen to say this.
In Ch. 15 God makes the covenant with/for Abraham, prophesying that Abraham's descendants will go to Egypt and come out in the 4th generation when the sin of the Amorites will be fully grown. God lists the peoples Abrahams descendents will take the in the Exodus. It is unclear how many of these groups were related to the Rephaims, nor if these peoples all intermixed with these extremely large Rephaim descendants, but most likely did to a large extent by the time of the Exodus, thus necessitating the total extermination of all of these peoples including women and children. If they did mix with that of the Rephaims and were internally influenced by the wickedness of the 1st generations of Rephaims after the flood this explains why God determined that those with Rephaim blood needed to be wiped out.
There are accounts of such extremely large humans from all cultures all over the world, some ancient and some more recent. Historians Josephus and Herodotus mentions them being real. Bones of enormous size have been unearthed all over the world, yet many of them have been mysteriously misplaced when given over to people in power. such as the Smithsonian.
I've never imply the angels were equal to God nor needed a Savior, just that they were separate unto God & are holy. Our fellowservants & of our brethen
The rest is your own thoughts, 'your Wow" is of yourself, accusing me what you, yourself are guilt of. Reading too much into what I said.
2nd paragraph
I agree with.
3rd paragraph
It would be hard for you to call my view heresy, being its the Truth of the Scriptures brought to you by the learning of the letter, which you hold too.
Which you confess you don't believe, what a paradox is that. You don't even believe that which births your own faith.
The rest of 3 is in truth, the very working out of our salvation, 2Cor 10:5 as one exercises this, the discerning between good & evil, one matures from babes to adults. The process is slow, but through the pass 10 yrs I have been delivered their stronghold.
I learnt also through the years that the more I wait in stillness & silence before Him, the better I was empowered to discern & overcome the enemy, they still tempt at times, but God Spirit quickens me to their stratagems. Temptation is not a sin. I deny it, don't own it, its not who I am in Christ.
In the simplicity of my heart & godly care I reach out to caution you in what you are doing, you slighted this godly counsel, given according to the Spirit of the Scriptures. What kind of person are you Gigi to come out with such a response? and then not directed to me, meaning to be received by my email from this site.
The Lord judge between you & I, I give this into His hands.
By the way, I have not yet been born again, baptize by Christ
I'm within the work of regeneration, As I wait before Him in stillness & silence, I have found Him faithful & true, old things are passing away daily, & all things are becoming new, He will finish the work that He Himself has started. This I am assure of
I'm very grateful for His tender mercies towards me.
JESUS said: John 10:7-9
9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, ...
7 Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.
8 All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them.
Another aside in this chapter is the mention that the time from Kadesh-barnea with the spies and evil report to this point was 38 years until all of the men of war in that generation was "wasted out" from among the camp of Israelites by the LORD as He promised.
And God spoke to Moses to pass over through Ar on the coast (border) of Moab that very day. God tells them not to distress the people of Ammon because, like Moab, they were the descendants of Lot and cousins. Ammon was north-east of Moab and the Amorites held the land from west border of Ammon to the Jordan river and north of the border of Moab.
Ammon was also a land of giants in the past, called Zamzummin, (meaning murmurers, perhaps as in conjuring of spirits) whom the Ammonites drove out in times before this.
Next is listed the Avims (meaning wicked or perverse men), who dwelled in the area of Gaza who were driven out by the
Caphtors. The Caphtors are believed to be either Egyptians descended from Mizraim (of Ham) or people of Crete who took over the area of Gaza which later was the home of the Philistines.
All of these giant clans were considered to be Rephaim (meaning terrible ones) or Nephilim (meaning fallen ones or feller of men) or Gibborim meaning (giants, men of reknown as Nimrod was called).
The land of Canaan was a land of giants, most likely all-over.
I hope you don't mind if I reply as to what you asked GiGi, "Is anger a sin?
Yes ,it appears to be so according to Scripture: Eph. 4:26-27, Col. 3:8 includes it with wrath, malice, blasphemy, and filthy communication. James 1:19-20, and more.
The word anger is associated with wrath and abundant throughout the OT. It is attributed to God. Should I conclude it is only a sin when we display anger and wrath? Help me out
Yet it seems you were justifying it as a righteous act because it appears that Jesus displayed anger.
I'm not insinuating you are right or wrong; just looking for a clear explanation. I'm probably misunderstanding what's being said.
Thank you in peace.
This journey around Edom is recounted in Numbers Ch. 20-21. After Moses and Aaron had brought water from the rock at Meribah and were reprimanded by God for their unbelief ( Nu. 20:12) telling them that they will not enter the land of promise, they approached Edom to seek safe passage through their land and Edom refused, coming out against them. Aaron dies on Mt. Hor and the battle with King Arad (who may have been a giant like many in Canaan) is fought in Kadesh. This is the area where the spies had surveyed the land 40 years prior noting the giants. The Israelites headed south to the Red Sea at Ezion-geber and then northward gain encircling Mount Seir. This is where the fiery serpents attacked the murmuring Israelites. They ended up at Oboth at the edge of Edom south of the Dead Sea in the Arabah valley. From there they traveled around the east of Edom (because the Edomites would not give them safe passage through their land (which most likely did not have giants).They came across the brook of Zered and into Moab at Ije-abarim. Then they moved to the valley of Zared. From there they went to the northern border of Moab at across the Arnon River. The Amorites lived north of this river. Apparently there were great victories brought about by God in this area. ( Nu. 21:14-15) These battles were recorded in the book of the wars of the LORD.
The Israelites did not disturb Moab ( Dt. 2:9), as the descendants are from Lot, whom God blessed and protected, the Moabites being cousins to Israel. Then they came to Beer, a place where God said He would give them water. The princes of Israel dug and water sprang forth for them. As the princes dug, the people sang, "Spring up , O well, sing ye unto it. So it seems that they needed to show their faith in God by this song sung before or during the digging.
From there they went to Mattanah, Nahahiel, to Bamoth and up Mt. Pisgah. There must have been some tableland on this mount.
From the edges of Canaan in the south God instructs them to travel from Mt. Hor where Aaron dies and circled Mt. Seir many days before God instructed them to travel around the border of Edom going northward, which is the land that Esau and his tribes took from the Horites. God told the Israelites that they are to travel along the border (coast) of Edom and are not to enter Edom or disturb the descendants of Esau dwelling within Edom, since they are descendants of Abraham (and cousins) whom God had given a blessing to in addition to Isaac. God told them that the Edomites would fear the Israelites, so they are to take heed, for God will not give Israel any of the land of Edom since God had given the land of Edom to Esau as a possession. The Israelites could interact with the Edomites to buy food and water (evidently the Manna and water from rocks had ceased. Since God had not ceased to provide for them for 40 years and blessed them so that they lacked no necessity, they now were to buy food and water from the Edomites. So they passed by Edom and headed towards the wilderness of Moab.
Is anger a sin?
Did Christ every get angry.
John 2:15 And when he had made a scourge of cords, he drove them out of the temple ......
Psalms 2:12 Kiss the Son, lest he be angry ......
Romans 14:23 whatsoever is not of faith (of Christ) is sin .....
Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, sharper than any two edged sword, piercing even dividing the body and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is the discerner of the thoughts and INTENTS of the HEART.
Ezekiel 36:26 A NEW HEART will I GIVE YOU, and NEW SPIRIT will I PUT IN YOU ....
Ezekiel 36:27 And I will put my SPIRIT IN YOU and CAUSE you to walk in my statutes (maybe become angry) amd keep my judgements (words) and DO THEM.
God BLESS YOU!
Can truth be figurative or is truth alway literal taught by things that are symbolic (figurative) of truth.
John 14:6 ...I am TRUTH ....
Is not TRUTH always literal.
Christ is TRUTH, so is Christ sometime figurative or ALWAYS literal.
God BLESS YOU!
Only Trust Him
By: Robert A. Searles
"Trust in the Lord with all thine heart, and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths." Proverbs 3: 5, 6.
What does it mean to trust in the Lord? Trust is the word frequently used in the old testament to mean the same as faith in the new testament, for example: to trust is to have faith, and if we have faith, we trust. It means to take refuge; to lean on; to follow; to wait . To trust in the Lord is to put full confidence in the word of God for our salvation, and for our strength as Christians, and for our daily needs. We are told not to lean on our own understanding. In other words, we are not to try to rationalize or figure out God's amazing grace, or his power, or the working of miracles, or his work of redemption in our lives; but we are simply to trust in what his word tells us. God honors those who have confidence in his word How can we trust in something with which we are not familiar? How can we claim promises if we do not know what those promises are? This is why it is so important for us to spend so much time in God's word, and in our private meditation, so that we can know what God's word has to say, then we can put our trust in it.
"Trust and do good" Psalm 37: 3-5, In other words, when God has spoken through his written word or through the Holy Spirit in our lives, again, we ought not to try to figure out what is going on in our heart or to rationalize away the working of the Holy Spirit. Instead, we ought to trust God and do good. God's word tells us the things that are good and right. We ought to obey God immediately, with the right heart attitude, when God speaks , and trust God for the results. As we read and study the word of God, and as God reveals himself to us and we see his glory unfolded before our eyes, we ought to delight ourselves in him. He ought to be our prime source of joy
As you asked, (I like you try to keep comment short). I claim to know nothing and when I go to the Bible, I do my best to not take anything with me with my head empty and my ears open. Dan. 10:13 Michael is one of the chief princes, how many there are we have not been told but Michael is the only one who is named, Jude, 1:9 Gabriel may also be an archangel. We have not been told all the hierarchy in heaven but there is only one Jesus who is above all that is in heaven and earth, Matt. 28:18.
Jesus is the only one, the only begotten Son, John 3:16, the king of kings and Lord of Lords Rev. 19:16. All the angels including all the archangels/princes were made to worship Jesus Hebrews 1:6. As the angel told John Rev. 19:10, angels are not worthy of worship. Revelation of Jesus given to Him by God that Jesus signified it by Jesus's angel to His servant John Rev. 1:1. Is Jesus's angel the same as we see in the OT, the angel of the Lord?
Jesus is not one of the archangels, He is the only begotten Son of God whom our Father sent into the world and who shed His blood for us, and only through his blood, we have the forgiveness of our sins.
God bless,
RLW
As humans He created, we cannot attain to His infinite and boundless Holiness, but in Christ we will become perfected in the life to come to have perfect holy humanity without sin any longer. The angels are also holy and without sin, but they are creatures and thus not holy in the sense of being separate
Friend, its not God's holiness that in dispute here, but our inheritance in Christ, now in this life.
The holy, innocent, pure, blameless, unreproachable life of Christ is our inheritance Rom 8:29 becoming partakers of His Divine Nature, the Fruits of His Spirit which against such there is no law, In Christ, the Father withholds nothing of Himself from us, for Luke 12:32
Its is a perfection of holiness that can be added too, as one grows in knowledge & understanding through the appearance of Grace in our hearts 2Cor 4:6,7
It's known, felt, consummated & possess in this life & is rewarded in the next. 2 Timothy 4:7,8
Christ prayer is answered John 17:21-24
Holiness is none other than being engrafted into God, union & oneness with Him in heart, mind & soul, for He along is Holy
This is the greatness of the salvation Christ purchase, that Hebrews declares "ought not to be neglected".
For 1Thessalonians 4:7 2Thessalonians 2:13,14
G4047 Obtaining: acquisition, possession (the act or the thing); by extension, preservation, peculiar, purchased, possession, saving.
Concerning angels Mark 8:28
G40- most holy, consecrated
They are separated, Rev 19:10 "I am thy fellowservant, & of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus, worship God"
Your quote is unscriptural,
you are advocating a life of continuous in sin & repentance for life term, there's no fellowship, union or knowing Him in this state according to Scriptures, this teaching becomes a stumbling block to the babes in Christ, Whom God is leading in the Way of holiness, your directly contradicting the teaching of Christ who says deny self & "sin not" & put on the Lord Jesus Christ.
1 Samuel 30:8
And David enquired at the LORD, saying, Shall I pursue after this troop? shall I overtake them? And he answered him, Pursue: for thou shalt surely overtake them, and without fail recover all.
James 2:5
Hearken, my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that love him?
Matthew 11:5
The blind receive their sight, and the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, and the deaf hear, the dead are raised up, and the poor have the gospel preached to them.
Luke 4:18
The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
Be the voice, Be Christlike, and keeping on Striving. God Bless You all.
1.
perceive with the eyes; discern visually.
"in the distance she could see the blue sea"
Similar:
discern perceive glimpse catch/get a glimpse of spot,notice,catch sight of,sight make out pick out spy distinguish identify recognize detect note mark clap/lay/set eyes on clock behold descry espy
be or become aware of something from observation or from a written or other visual source.
2.
discern or deduce mentally after reflection or from information; understand.
"I can't see any other way to treat it"
3.
experience or witness (an event or situation).
"I shall not live to see it"
4.
meet (someone one knows) socially or by chance.
"I saw Colin last night"
5.
escort or conduct (someone) to a specified place.
"don't bother seeing me out"
6.
ensure.
"Lucy saw to it that everyone got enough to eat"
world, all, made/make, fast, lost (check how many meaning these words have in Hebrew, Greek and English (just need the English definition really) ,give each word its proper meaning in context.
Prodigal son (lost:astray losts ones way)
Word is hid his from those that are lost (lost:parished)